Credibility is what’s really melting

Take the disappearing Himalayan glaciers.
Turns out that ‘research’ was idle speculation.

by Mark Steyn on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 11:50am - 390 Comments

Credibility is what’s really meltingWhenever I write about “climate change,” a week or two later there’s a flurry of letters whose general line is: la-la-la can’t hear you. Dan Gajewski of Ottawa provided a typical example in our Dec. 28 issue. I’d written about the East Anglia Climatic Research Unit’s efforts to “hide the decline,” and mentioned that Phil Jones, their head honcho, had now conceded what I’d been saying for years—that there has been no “global warming” since 1997. Tim Flannery, Australia’s numero uno warm-monger, subsequently confirmed this on Oz TV, although he never had before.

In response, Mr. Gajewski wrote to our Letters page: “Steyn’s column on climate change was one-sided, juvenile and inarticulate.”


Yes, yes, but what Steyn column isn’t? That’s just business as usual. A more pertinent question is: was any of it, you know, wrong?

Well, our reader didn’t want to get hung on footling details: “The disproportionate evidence supports the anthropogenic cause of global warming,” he concluded.

Yes, but how did the “evidence” get to be quite so “disproportionate”?

Take the Himalayan glaciers. They’re supposed to be entirely melted by 2035. The evidence is totally disproportionate, man. No wonder professor Orville Schell of Berkeley is so upset about it: “Lately, I’ve been studying the climate-change-induced melting of glaciers in the Greater Himalaya,” he wrote. “Understanding the cascading effects of the slow-motion downsizing of one of the planet’s most magnificent landforms has, to put it politely, left me dispirited.” I’ll say. Professor Schell continued: “If you focus on those Himalayan highlands, a deep sense of loss creeps over you—the kind that comes from contemplating the possible end of something once imagined as immovable, immutable, eternal . . .”

Poor chap. Still, you can’t blame him for being in the slough of despond. That magnificent landform is melting before his eyes like the illustration of the dripping ice cream cone that accompanied his eulogy for the fast vanishing glaciers. Everyone knows they’re gonna be gone in a generation. “The glaciers on the Himalayas are retreating,” said Lord Stern, former chief economist of the World Bank and author of the single most influential document on global warming. “We’re facing the risk of extreme runoff, with water running straight into the Bay of Bengal and taking a lot of topsoil with it. A few hundred square miles of the Himalayas are the source for all the major rivers of Asia—the Ganges, the Yellow River, the Yangtze—where three billion people live. That’s almost half the world’s population.” And NASA agrees, and so does the UN Environment Programme, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the World Wildlife Fund, and the respected magazine the New Scientist. The evidence is, like, way disproportionate.

But where did all these experts get the data from? Well, NASA’s assertion that Himalayan glaciers “may disappear altogether” by 2030 rests on one footnote, citing the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report from 2007.

In fact, the Fourth Assessment Report suggests 2035 as the likely arrival of Armageddon, but what’s half a decade between scaremongers? They rate the likelihood of the glaciers disappearing as “very high”—i.e., more than 90 per cent. And the IPCC was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for that report, so it must be kosher, right? Well, yes, its Himalayan claims rest on a 2005 World Wildlife Fund report called “An Overview of Glaciers.”

WWF? Aren’t they something to do with pandas and the Duke of Edinburgh? True. But they wouldn’t be saying this stuff if they hadn’t got the science nailed down, would they? The WWF report relies on an article published in the New Scientist in 1999 by Fred Pearce.

That’s it? One article from 12 years ago in a pop-science mag? Oh, but don’t worry, back in 1999 Fred did a quickie telephone interview with a chap called Syed Hasnain of Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. And this Syed Hasnain cove presumably knows a thing or two about glaciers.

Well, yes. But he now says he was just idly “speculating”; he didn’t do any research or anything like that.

But so what? His musings were wafted upwards through the New Scientist to the World Wildlife Fund to the IPCC to a global fait accompli: the glaciers are disappearing. Everyone knows that. You’re not a denier, are you? India’s environment minister, Jairam Ramesh, says there was not “an iota of scientific evidence” to support the 2035 claim. Yet that proved no obstacle to its progress through the alarmist establishment. Dr. Murari Lal, the “scientist” who included the 2035 glacier apocalypse in the IPCC report, told Britain’s Mail on Sunday that he knew it wasn’t based on “peer-reviewed science” but “we thought we should put it in”—for political reasons.

I wonder what else is in that Nobel Peace Prize-winning report for no other reason than “we thought we should put it in.” Don’t forget, the IPCC’s sole source was the cuddly panda crowd over at the World Wildlife Fund. Donna Laframboise, a colleague of mine from the glory days at the National Post, did a simple search of the online version of the IPCC report and discovered dozens of citations of the WWF. It’s the sole source cited for doomsday predictions of glacier melt not only in the Himalayas but also the Andes and the Alps, as well as for a multitude of other topics, from coral reefs to avalanches. This would appear to be in breach of the IPCC’s own guidelines. The WWF is a pressure group. They’re not scientists. They’re not even numerate: one of their more startling glacier-melt claims derives entirely from an arithmetical miscalculation arising from a typing error.

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  • jshie

    I don't believe anything these dopes say now.

  • http://www.commieblaster.com CommieBlaster

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/itchybo itchybo

    Is Exxon-Mobil paying you well, Steyn?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      Time to stop flogging this poor dead horse. It ain't going anywhere.

      From 1989-2007 US Government budgets include a total of
      $30 billion for pure scientific climate research (over 20 yrs)
      vs Exxon: $23 million, at last count
      http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/

      Um. That's over a 1000 to 1. Yeah, I know it's shocking. Read the whole Skeptic's Handbook if you go to the site above. You'll learn a lot.

      When you add on the fact that Exon has figured out how to make money from the greenie scam and is now spending money on their side of the debate as well…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      Time to stop flogging this poor dead horse. It ain't going anywhere.

      From 1989-2007 US Government budgets include a total of
      $30 billion for pure scientific climate research (over 20 yrs)
      vs Exxon: $23 million, at last count
      http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/

      Um. That's over a 1000 to 1. Yeah, I know it's shocking. Read the whole Skeptic's Handbook if you go to the site above. You'll learn a lot.

      When you add on the fact that Exon has figured out how to make money from the greenie scam and is now spending money on their side of the debate as well…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/itchybo itchybo

        Exxon-Mobil is determined to kill any legislation to reduce carbon emissions. Period. Their generous donations to groups like American Enterprise, Heritage Foundations, and countless other "non-partisan think tanks,"which are the only groups who will publish the work of these hacks, make that pretty clear. Two years ago, they offered $ 1 million dollars to anyone who could counter the findings of the IPCC. Do you really think EM can profit more easily from green technology, which would require massive new investments and restructuring of their operations, than they can from continuing the status quo as the largest oil company and most profitable corporation in the world? Seriously? And do you really think universities and the IPCC are where the money is? Scientists can far more profitably shill for big business than work for universities or government agencies. Show me a sceptic who doesn't have ties to the oil industry, and has had is work published in a scientific journal, then we'll talk.

        • JimD

          If I was Exxon-Mobil I would spend lots of money to kill legislation regarding carbon emissions too, because anthropogenic CO2 is harmless and has nothing to do with climate change. I'm not saying EM is a great company by any means, but they've picked the right side in this argument. If someone was using fraudulent data and scaremongering to undermine my core business I would do the same thing. There are literally hundreds of skeptical scientists, many of them climatologists, who have never bought into the CO2=armageddon BS. If you ever took the time to even considering visiting some of the skeptical websites, rather than pulling the "la-la-la- I can't hear you" routine that Steyn mentioned, you would know this. I used to believe it all too, but having AN OPEN MIND and coming to the not-so-revolutionary conclusion that most governments don't have the best interests of the average citizen in mind, I did some research. Check out http://wattsupwiththat.com/ for a good start.

          • itchybo

            Don't flatter yourself, JimD. You're not as OPEN MINDED as you portray yourself. You wear your standard, boilerplate, right wing prejudices on your sleeve: government = evil, free enterprise = good. I can bet that if it was a large corporation arguing AGW was a serious problem, and government arguing the opposite, you would have a very different take on the matter.

            If you choose to believe a few industry-funded sceptics instead of the world's scientific community, and if you believe everything you read on the Internet (the refuge of wack jobs who argue things like that Obama was born in Kenya, and who can't get their work published in any reputable scientific journal), I suppose that is your right. It doesn't make you open minded, though, just foolish.

          • JimD

            Apparently you missed the part where I said "I'm not saying EM is a great company by any means,"

            FWIW, I have little faith in governments or corporations. The majority of both are corrupt and run sociopaths, and are extremely top-heavy, reactive, and out of touch. I have even less faith in the mainstream media that jumps from one bandwagon to another. I do have a very good grasp of physics, and have taken university courses in hydrology, meteorology and systems modeling. That experience tells me that models are inherently faulty, especially when they are being used for something as astronomically complex as a planet's climate. They are predicated on many unreasonable assumptions, and can easily be manipulated to produce whatever outcome is desired. The AGW argument is BASED ENTIRELY ON MODELS, and the reliability of those models over the short time they have been tested against real-world outcomes is equivalent to a roll of the dice. Models are only used to predict the behaviour of a closed system, in which you can eliminate all, or at least the majority, of variables.

          • JimD

            You never did address minaka's original point, which illustrated the fact that government funding of climate research and propaganada (the IPCC has shown itself to be nothing more than a propaganda machine) is magnitudes of order larger than that of EM (which ironcially was named "Green Company of the Year" by Forbes in 2009). If you were a grant-seeking climatologist, to which side would you ally yourself?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

            Peekaboo, Itchyboo

            So Big Oil funding screws the pooch and messes thing up, eh??

            Some of the funders for CRU

            British Petroleum (Oil, LNG)
            Central Electricity Generating Board
            Eastern Electricity
            KFA Germany (Nuclear)
            Irish Electricity Supply Board (LNG, Nuclear)
            National Power
            Nuclear Installations Inspectorate (Nuclear)
            Shell (Oil, LNG)
            Sultanate of Oman (LNG)
            UK Nirex Ltd. (Nuclear)

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

        minaka, the interesting thing about the $30 billion spent by the US government from 1989 to 2007 is that the first 4 years were under G.W.H Bush and the last 6 were under G.W. Bush. "W" didn't publically accept the facts of climate change until sometime in 2006. The two Presidents Bush had control of that much money over that long a time and they could refute the reality!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

      Oh…and um…indeed it does seem that government and other expenditures on AGW propogation outpaces Exxon's donations to "Skeptics" by a factor of 1000-1.

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cHhMa7ARDDg/SohkUXlTJqI…

      Let me guess, corporations that are not bedded down with government have no right to defend themselves when the attack mode of the same based on Carbon Demonization will place them as outcasts and pariahs and raise their costs for nothing??

      How MUCH MORE fraud must we endure before we get to say enough is enough?? Some of us work in small business and don't get the sumptious lobster festivals and handouts and jetsetting that government workers get. Dig? We actually have a dog in the fight along with Exxon and some others.

      And as to the "Birther" movement, that has no connection to CRU's hideous fraud, squelching of dissent, numbers-fudging, and dissing of the Skeptics.

      For Birtherism, you need to originally look at the remnants of the Hillary campaign where it started.

    • Rob H

      Don't be pathetic. If you have some facts put them out with references. Here's one; governments around the world have spent over $1Billion on climate studies that looked for human caused global warming. So far they haven't found anything that stands up to critical examination. It's over itchybo.

  • Oakley

    These man made climate change "believers" are of the same mold as the Obama "believers". No evidence needed, simply believe and it's true.

    These same "believers" would have you and I pay for their scam and satisfy their greed.

  • On2u

    Just wondering how one can have a greehouse effect with a huge hole in the ceiling of the greenhouse (huge ozone layer hole above Antartica) seems to me with a hole that large any and all gases could easily escape – I know – common sense is not to popular with AGW scientists.

    • JimD

      I'm not a warmist, so I don't want to rain on your parade, but there's a little thing called gravity that keeps us and the atmosphere from flying off into space.

  • On2u

    Why should I pay a CO2 tax, or anyone or country for that matter, when it has been established by the global earth warmers themselves that there is a huge hole in the atmospher above Antartica for which all man made CO2 can and does escape – simply a money grabbing scam through and through built on fear and lies.

  • Brian

    HITLER……FASCIST……RACIST, what every small minded person shouts when losing an argument. You're clearly a deep thinker Andre, so deep I bet, you have politically themed bumper stickers on your car with catchy slogans. Problem with people like you is, as soon as you get past that catchy slogan, you have nothing of substance to say, you can only resort to shouting – HITLER……FASCIST……RACIST. Stupid fkr.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/wldbil wldbil

    This matter should be looked at on two levels, first on a spiritual level the environmental thing is the closest thing to a religion many of these progressives have. A revelation like Climategate threatens their very belief system. They don't want to hear the polar bear population has increased. These are the people the true ring leaders of this hoax have been counting on to perpetuate this swindle on the planet.

  • kcasy

    By their actions, you shall know them. All these AGW proponents went on a conference to Bali a few years back. Despite the fact that air travel uses more CO2, despite the fact that common sense would tell you that most of the supplies for this conference had to be imported, i.e., flown in and despite the fact that almost everyone had to fly in to attend. But they're special people. If it there truly a devastating event coming and people's lives were at risk — would these people (who can afford it) be making changes in their life styles. But no they can buy off reality, and it somehow would make a difference ("perhaps in their pockets?") and the rest of us are supposed to quit living our livestyles and use 2 pieces of toilet paper while they fly everywhere, etc.? Makes one wonder when the next shoe drops — after all everyone of us produces CO2 – when will they decide that our actual breathing is too much for the earth? These ideas can only be put on the rest of us by gun point. Not good times to be in.

  • Scott

    Biggest scam in the history of the world. We are mere ants on this planet, we cannot control the climate, such hubrus. Is the conclusion these "scientists" offer is that if there were no humans on the earth, the climate would not change? The earth would be static and nothing would change? Such BS!………..this is the socialists way to gain more control of people and the way they live……..long live liberty….say no to tyranny!

  • Ellie

    .

    Global Warming is a fraud and crime against humanity. What we've heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

    For example, in 1990 they inexplicably decided to use data from only 1000 global thermometers instead of the data from the existing 6000 — and you guessed it — they removed data from Northern latitudes and mountain tops — the cooler ones. Viola — global warming. And it gets worse than that!

    You'd think the Global Warmers would be happy Doomsday has been called off !! What a bunch of Eco-Nazis.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

    JohnR22 told Andrew (not Potter or Coyne): "For people like you, AGW is a religion; telling you that AGW is utter nonsense is like telling Osama that Allah doesn't really exist. The only difference is Osama wants to kill me; you haven't quite reached that stage yet".

    Not true. Greenies are perfectly willing to kill you for their Utopia. They don't admit it of course, maybe even to themselves. They just look the other way when their stupidity gets millions of people killed as predicted by those wiser e.g. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Vietnam and letting communists do their worst including on the Killing Fields of Cambodia or outlawing perfectly safe DDT for years causing millions of unnecessary deaths in Africa of malaria, mostly children.

    Of course, these are just foreign poor people far away from greenies' white liberal haunts so one can wonder whether greenies are racists. I give them the benefit of a doubt here, because I'm pretty sure they're perfectly willing to let millions of whites die as well for one of their crack-brained schemes as long as the victims are conservative.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

      This type of post illustrates the difficulties that opponents to the theory of climate change face. They are unable to present any significant, logical arguments to refute the science; as a result, they’re reduced to using slurs and smear campaigns to try to confuse the issue. How does a statement like “Greenies are perfectly willing to kill you for their Utopia” refute climate change? All it seems to show is an obtuse paranoia: grab your gun, the “greenies”, whoever they are, are out to get us!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

        Hmmm.

        Well, just as a starting point, ideology being the largest part of this–the plupart–let's see what others have said is at stake in all this:

        http://wakepedia.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-birth…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

        ..and it's not a "whomever they are."

        Yes, Virginia, there REALLY are people who hate capitalism even long after Marx's grave should no longer be visited.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

          I don’t doubt that there are people who oppose capitalism. My concern is the attempt to turn a scientific debate into an American-style, partisan issue. It’s like the McCarthy Era all over again. “Look, that guy replaced his incandescent light bulbs! He’s a traitor and wants to see the poor suffer!”

          It’s ridiculous.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

            The Greens did that. The old style of taxation has no failed and led to bankruptcy and national ruin. More than one person has been glad to testify that what was Red is now Green, like a melon rind on the outside only.

            The EU says it best, so this is NOT just an "American" partisan issue.

            And what was that minister's little phrase that packed so much juice?

            Global Governance.

            That's the ridiculous moment. Not those concerned about yet again seeing a failed "progressive" move, this time international more than local–that hinges on more than a few muck-ups and questionable notes.

  • Michael H Anderson

    It still awes me that so many true believers are so utterly ignorant of the developments around Climategate, unquestionably the greatest scam in human history. This was a very simple matter of two of the oldest motivators known to humanity: money and power. The working poor will be made to pay for the guilt inherent in the grotesque excesses of the mega-rich like Gore, and scientisst were onboarded by the very simple process of promises of sustained notoriety, fame, glory, cash, publication – long-term career relevance.

    Now the air is beingt let of the climate change balloon; every prediction Michael Crichton (who incidentally possessed an MD from Harvard and did his post-grad work at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences, compared to Gore's BA in "Government") made has come glaringly, obviously true, but the real "denialists" – the green hive-mind zombies and the politicians who benefit from their credulity – are still cleaving to these tired old lies as if their lives depended on it. Well, we're sorry you're so deservedly embarassed, but it's time torovie you're really thinking adults moved by something more than irrational prejudices and admit how deeply wrong you all are. Time to, as we say on the Net, STFU.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

      I find it interesting how many opponents of climate change are such champions of the poor. According to the CIA Word Factbook, the average per capita GDP of the US is $46,400; that’s more than 4 times the world average, and a whopping 15 times that of India. I sure that, to help raise the standard of living of the “working poor” of the world, you support free trade to allow Mexico, China, India and many other poor countries unfettered access to the markets of rich western countries such as the US.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

        We won't be helping them by limiting their freedoms and latching onto the same glop that failied us up to 1989 as now going global with "global governance."

        They desire production. Not words and promises. You cannot conserve and redistribute your way to wealth any more than you can become Gordon Geko by putting a dime a month under the pillow at night.

        You have to outearn the problem. And large scale industrialization, ergo jobs, is where the compass needs to point.

        Greens hate nuclear, so their fallback position at the moment is mostly those sources like wind and chicken poop that have very limited applications and suffer from bad cases of NIMBY. Over on Slate, writers are fist-pumping the extinction of nuclear as the dawn of "rationality." And the scare-stories abound to this day even though far more human death has occured in standard energy production.

        I'm sure.

        Green is a scam, providing solutions to problems that don't actually exist–like all other Leftist promotions–coupled with answers that have no wordly application. The warm feeling of church. Only, the secular church has no heaven.

        And poverty.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

          "Greens hate nuclear with a passion" – I support nuclear power (and have said so several times on the thread). Does that make me "Green" or not?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dsbettle dsbettle

    The anthropogenic global warming scam is at root a simple analysis. It is a religion for the supernaturally challenged. One has to do something with the universal experience of guilt.

  • Jerry Baustian

    I'm proud to say I never fell for the AGW scam, not for a second. And I've been around long enough to remember the Earth Summit in Rio, which led to the Kyoto Conference, and so on, and so on up until the Copenhagen Conference. This entire episode, from its beginnings in 1992, was based on a lie — one of the Biggest Lies ever told, with potentially trillions of dollars in loot for the perpetrators.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

    Although not at current levels, we've been using oil for more than 100 years and coal for over 200 years.

    According to NASA, over the past 400,000 years CO2 concentrations have not exceeded 285 ppm; we are now at over 350 ppm; it's not unreasonable to believe that we have, and continue to contribute to the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

      I appreciate the math but unfortunately you've carpet-bombed a portion of the issue that was not in large doubt. The question is whether what is still an overall minute part of the atmosphere as turned carboniferous by human action is the proximate reason for global warming.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

      The overall line on this is ideological in nature and as you might have seen in the CRU fraudery and now glacier gate and the lobster gobblers partaking of local blue eyed cuties at Copenhagen, and now we see relying on much input from high schoolers and pop-mags, is very much in doubt. I could mention also that most of the proximate rise in global temps was before major industrialization had gone into the highest gear, and that now we're in cooling mode, but I'm imagining that when it comes to the relatively new moniker of "Climate Change", anything within certain parameters will be, as the old line Marxists used to say "Exactly as predicted. WOW!" And so that argument will go in regards to the new methodology for controlling the human populace's habits. IE–bitter cold on some days in Canada means that AGW is right on schedule. Hot days in Atlanta mean hell on earth for the "Denialist" crowd, no doubt._

  • Michael

    2009 was the second hottest year on record globally, second only to 2005. The polar ice cap is vanishing at a rate far faster than the worst IPCC predictions. Agriculture is suffering due to changes in climatological patterns, seen most profoundly at first in grain farming in Australia, precisely where predicted. 2009 saw the driest spring that Canadian agriculture has seen in the 70 years we've kept records of:

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/canadas-p…

    Low lying island nations such as Tuvalu are already being forced to begin relocating due to rising sea levels. An overwhelming majority of scientists globally concur on the basic facts. The so-called 'climategate' is climate change denial's last gasp. Hackers stole ten years worth of emails, and they were scoured for anything that might appear damning, finding only two that have been endlessly paraphrased since. The term 'trick' is commonly used in science journals as an accepted clever methodology rather than an intent to deceive, and the study mentioned in the email that includes the word 'trick' plays no part in official IPCC findings. The 'can't explain the decline' email refers to a study of tree ring formation, and rather than being a secret, the scientist who wrote the email also wrote a public article about his inability to explain his findings. Clearly we don't know everything we might about tree ring formation, but AGW is happening. The science is unassailable, so now taking a couple of private emails out of context is the worst that denialism has left in its arsenal.

    And thank fate for that, because the longer we linger in the first of five stages of grief, the deeper the knife will cut when we realize we have no other choice. Even if climate change were not real (it is) and we didn't have anything to do with it (we do), the shift to more sustainable methodologies would be infinitely valuable in human health improvements and long term resource availability.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

      Well put Michael.

      It's interesting that Steyn clings to his "no global warming since 1997" mantra even though a January 23, 2010 NASA report (http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction… finds that “January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record” and that “global warming is continuing unabated.”

      • JimD

        I think you mean January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade of the last three for which we have comprehensive global data. It also hinges on the unjustified downward "correction" of temperatures from the first few decades of the 20th century, the elimination of data collection at high latitudes and elevations, and propensity of urban temperature records.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

          No, I believe I quoted the NASA article (http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction… correctly. It does mention that "throughout the last three decades, the GISS [Goddard Institute for Space Studies] surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.2°C (0.4°F) per decade." And also, "Since 1880 — the year that modern scientific instrumentation became available to monitor temperatures precisely — a clear warming trend is present, though there was a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s."

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

            NASA long ago lost credibility.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/JIG2010 JIG2010

            Can't refute the message, so you have to attack the messenger.

    • JimD

      "The science is unassailable"

      Michael, would that be the "science" (since refuted) that told us Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035? Or was it the "science" (since refuted) that told us 40% of the Amazon rainforest was in danger of disappearing? Or was it the science (since refuted) that told us 55% of Holland's land area was below sea level? Or maybe it was the science (since refuted) that said climate change produced a statistically significant increase in property losses resulting from natural disasters?

      This is as assailable as so-called "science" can be. But I don't expect someone like yourself, whose mind is obviously already made up, to even acknowledge my arguments, because that's what your side does. You ramp up the name-calling, keep your eyes and ears closed, and delude yourself into thinking we "deniers" will go away. I'm here to tell you that we won't, because in actuality the science is on OUR SIDE.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

      Yeah– I've heard that one before somewhere as well on Tuvalu.

      Granted, they get much press these days, but there are other reasons why the measuring devices are not reliable, such as land deformation due to construction. It seems however that the thiny atoll is not going anywhere, even if the people think they need to flee after chopping down trees and changing the land hydrology of some parts of the island and now have a voice in the IPCC's continuing parade of fraud of the public mind's eye. Which as Steyn noted elsewhere so there's no need of a rehash–covers the rest.

      http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_…

    • Rob H

      Every thing you said is not true. Hottest years? What year did you start at? Polar ice caps (both of them) are growing and have been for three years. Australia had its largest grain harvest in 2008. Driest spring in Canada in 70 years? That takes you back to 1940. Don't go into the 1930s' Michael you will really find out about hot years and drought. Tuvalu, sorry rising sea levels aren't the problem. Look it up.

    • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield

      I posted part of Michael Unassailability over to some real scientists of various stripes in order to elicit a response, and made sure I was non-commital either way, just to see what they'd see:

      Responses are as follows.

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/09/another-eas…

  • Windy

    Global warming is nothing but a monetary grab for governments and such people as Al Gore and David Suzuki. I just don't understand why some people follow these types. Maybe they just haven't learned how to think and research the facts for themselves.

  • Anon

    Och, the puir wee Steynettes have worked themselves into a lather, haven' they?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    Sort of a Cosmic Justice where the "sides" are to be equal. If not morally, at least "counterblanced" of one to the other.

    Agreed. That seems to be the tactic. Settling of scores and chips on the shoulder. Soviets as the Counterbalance of evil capitalism as manifested in supposed imperial US ambition. Failing that, now we have the Counterbalance of Mother Gaia against the Greed and Carbon Lords of North America.

    Well placed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    Hmmm…

    Mark this down as red-letter. I can't top what you've written, sir.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    ..but then, this post had the "demonic demotic" (as Jonathan Hari placed it) of another writer with similar inititials.

    Hmmm.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    I posted Michael's Unassailables over at a site that is frequented by real scientists of every mode and stripe, and made no hint of my own predilections, just to see how they'd assail the unassailable.

    Indeed it was an interesting encounter.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/09/another-eas…

    And if it turns out that the IPCC and NASA's take on things regarding Climate and other noted high-jinx is no more dependable than asking my wife's hairdresser for how useful the info is, then YES, you can slam the messenger. It seems that things are not quite what we're led to believe.

    I'd post more on this, but this site is beginning to do too much click-banging with it's compatibility issues and "tab has been recovered" crap, and other annoyances. And, being slower than a turtle pulling a Sherman tank, with no directional links when I get notifications of others' missives, I give up posting any further. I've had it with Macleans until they beef up their servers or get a new format.

    Thanks for understanding.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    PS–I have posted some responses, thus for example on that darling little island paradise of Tuvalu., and the horsemess of it sinking into the crashing waves……

    It ain't, brother.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    http://volokh.com/2009/12/11/average-federal-sale…

    Show me an arena that is widespread in the private sector where one can make 75K a year for putting pieces of paper in a mailbox. My nephew almost clears that much working for the Postal Service.

    Free medical and dental and overtime and vacation pay included. Oh yeah, and a pension plan. Sounds like a damned good gig to me. I on the other hand actually have to work for a living, Itchyman.

    Many public sector workers understandably think private work is for suckers. And who can blame them for this attitude? Small business is the ongoing screw. Where is our ****damned bailout, bruthu?

    (seeing that we create most of our jobs, but at the moment are trying merely to hold on to what we have while others are getting the cream sauce glopped on)

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