Our banking rules are smarter, not tighter

ANDREW COYNE: Obama’s banking reforms would make the U.S. and Canadian systems even less alike than they are at present

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, February 8, 2010 8:10am - 46 Comments

For all their growing closeness on other matters, such as global warming, Barack Obama and Stephen Harper could not be further apart on the issue of how to reform banking regulations, in the wake of the worst financial crisis in 75 years. A week after unveiling tough new rules that would limit the size and scope of banks’ activities—and two weeks after hitting them with a hefty new tax—the President took at least a dozen swipes at “banks” or “bankers” in his state of the union speech. Over and over again, he reminded his listeners of the banks’ part in the crisis, of how they had had to be bailed out at public expense, and of how, once the worst had passed, they had quickly reverted to their old ways.

The next day, Harper took the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to deliver a very different message. While some reform was in order, he allowed, “Canada believes that financial sector regulation . . . must not be excessive.” He understood how, “in situations very different than Canada’s,” public anger over the failure and subsequent bailout of the banks had fuelled “demands for tough or even retaliatory measures.” But Canada “will not go down the path of excessive, arbitrary, or punitive regulation of its financial sector.” Canada would go its own way, its banking system would remain a haven of relative freedom, whatever certain other countries might choose to do.

The odd thing about this parting of the ways is that some of Obama’s closest advisers and acolytes seem to think they are copying the Canadian model. By forcing banks to get out of the riskier types of trading and capping their size, they imagine themselves to be replicating the safe, stolid commercial banks that have lately made Canada famous. The former chairman of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, on whose recommendations the President’s reforms are based, has spoken of his fondness for the Canadian system, with its supposed focus on the traditional business of banks, taking deposits and making loans. The influential columnist Paul Krugman wrote this week in praise of Canada’s “boring” banks.

But in fact Obama’s reforms would make the two systems even less alike than they are now. Canada’s banks haven’t been kept small and dispersed: they’re massive, at least relative to their home market. And far from being restricted to plain-vanilla commercial banking, since the 1980s they have been permitted to enter most other areas of financial services, notably investment banking. We’re the exact opposite of the model Obama is pushing.

If Obama really wanted to copy the Canadian model—and there are many reasons he should—the first thing he’d have to do is consolidate financial regulation under a single, national regulator, in place of the hodgepodge of state and federal agencies that now make the rules. Depending on its composition, a U.S. financial conglomerate might find itself or its subsidiaries regulated by some or all of the Federal Reserve, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Office of Thrift Supervision, the National Credit Union Administration and a couple of others besides—and that’s just at the federal level. Whereas Canada has OSFI: the federal Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions, with the power to regulate the whole entity, subsidiaries and all.

He’d have to abolish the Community Reinvestment Act, with its detailed instructions to banks on the proportion of mortgage loans that should be made available to lower-income borrowers. Likewise, he’d have to wind up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the big national public-private enterprises, with their similar mandates to make home ownership more “affordable” through their activities in the secondary mortgage market. There is simply no equivalent for either in Canada: the mortgage insurance provided through the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. backstops the banks, not their customers.

Canada’s regulatory approach is undoubtedly simpler than America’s, and probably smarter. But it is not noticeably tighter. It sets limits on banks’ leverage ratios, requires them to be adequately capitalized, but avoids the sort of micromanaging in which U.S. federal and state governments have habitually indulged since the days of Andrew Jackson. Indeed, far from confining the banks, Canadian policy has erred on the side of coddling them, for example protecting them from foreign takeover bids, or even domestic ones, to the detriment of competition. Before Canada’s bankers became everybody’s heroes, they were the object of consistent criticism over their high costs and complacent business practices, and not without cause.

This isn’t to say the President’s proposals are without merit. On the contrary, there is a certain logic to them. If the purpose is to avoid making policy hostage to banks that are “too big to fail,” thus exposing the system to “moral hazard” (where banks, knowing they will be bailed out if they take on too much risk, are encouraged to do just that), there are two obvious ways to go about it: either prevent banks from becoming too big, or prevent them from failing. The President’s plan would do a bit of both, wrapping the larger deposit-taking institutions in a web of regulation while ensuring the riskier investment-banking sorts of institutions never become large enough that their failure would pose a systemic risk. (See: Lehman Brothers.)

But there are other ways of addressing this problem, and Canada’s is one of them.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    The regulatory authority is the major difference. Canadian regulation is principle based versus law based. The regulator is less tolerant of loopholes that are "legal" but offend the spirit of the intended regulation. However this exists in many matters of regulation in Canada….a fine discussion of law based versus principle based regulation came up when discussing conflict of interest and ethics in one of the side panels of the Oliphant inquiry.

    On a more speculative basis, the structure of the industry is different, lots of takeovers, shedding and buying and selling of units and pieces in the US. Nothing wroing with that, but what culture does that engender. Canadian Banks dont, or rarely, bring in outsiders to run them. These people have been there for decades….they know each other and the succession is planned. Rarely do they want to screw so badly for short term returns….need data to back that up, but the lack of outsiders is definitely a fact. The US, well heck Tim geithner was almost head of Citibank….may well be in the future. No institutional memory or continuity, so the gods battle without regard to the "little people"

    • Susan

      In the past few years the national debate has Canada getting closer to a single regulator for the securities industry as well. For quite some time the head of the BC Securities Commission, was almost the sole voice in Canada for maintaining a principle based rather than a law based regulatory standard, and unpopularly, maintaining provincial jurisdictions.
      Jack Mintz, on the other hand has been championing the establishment of a national regulatory regime, and dismisses principle based regulation.
      Why would this be appropriate for banking but not securities regulation?

      PS I also do not believe that we have been served well by a policy enacted in the late 90's to allow banks to take over and control brokerage firms. It may be worthy for larger issuers but has been very detrimental for smaller junior stocks. We now see much less innovation (and maybe scandals), much fewer junior company financings and many boutique services have all but disappeared in Canada.

      • Tim

        Interestingly enough the former head of the BC Securities Commission you describe is actually now running National Securities Transition office under Flaherty right now. I have never heard Jack Mintz comment either way on principles based regulation. I know he has come out in favor of each province merging there securities department with their trust and insurance departments such as Quebec has done. In Ontario this would entail merging the Ontario Securities Commission with the Financial Services Commission of Ontario(which handles pensions, mortgage brokers, insurance, credit unions, and trusts) My hunch is later ageny will be have be federalized some day too especially in regards to pension reform however, its in Flaherty's interest right now to spread the blame on the pension problem to the provinces.

      • Tim

        Banks have actually been allowed to own brokerage firms since 1987 and possibly before that depending on your interpretation of the intersection of federal banking law and provincial securities law. In 1987 the Mulroney and Peterson governments "clarified" the laws regarding bank ownership of brokerages through the Hockin Qwinter Accord in favor of banks owning brokerages. The laws regarding bank ownership of brokerages was always more restrictive from the provincial side not federal. Chartered banks for example have always been allowed to be in the brokerage business overseas in countries such as Germany and Switzerland where local business practice has combined brokerage and banking for generations.

        PS. Like all good bureacrats/politicians Hockin and Kwinter are still with us today. Monte Kwinte was exiled to the back benches by Dalton Mcguinty for coming out in favor of funding for religous schools and Tom Hockin like some many other Mulronyites has found a place in the current Conservative government as Jim Flaherty's appointment to be Canada's representitive to the IMF in Washington.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

        Well the issue of owning a brokerage or investment bank isnt the issue per se. The issue is how much risk that subsidary takes on, in particular, whether they trade their own account and how much of that account is fueled by leverage (debt).

        The issue with Lehmman was partially because they werent owned by a bank. This left them significantly less supervised, which is how they wanted it. They were able to play around with debt at much higher levels and werent able to tap into lender of last resort, the feds borrowing window. So it wasnt the bank owned securities firms that got in trouble it was the independents. But it is a complex question, which culture wins…the conservative and prudent banking culture or the more cowboyish I-Bank culture. The Canadian equivalent was CIBC, where the I Bank guys gained ascendency and almost bankrupted the place a couple of times. The people running it need I Bank experience but they their core is always the regular bank lending and deposit taking.

  • Tim

    To be fair to the US, Canada's system has itself taken many years to evolve. Notwithstanding the provenance of the big six banks regulated at the federal level since confederation, historically provinces in Canada have been in charge of regulating many areas of financial services such as trust companies that can issue federally insured deposits, securities markets, and insurance. In the 1980s I believe the Mulroney government created federal charters for insurance and trust companies and allowed provinces to contract out to OSFI there remaining statutory supervisory authority over these entities(Most but not all of the provinces have taken advantage of this those that haven't are the usual suspects). There are still two notable institutions I can think of ATB in Alberta and Desjardins in Quebec that operate under provincial charters. ATB is Alberta government owned and Desjardins is a weird type of cooperative bank. Both of these institutions are regarded as fairly conservative.

    • L Chaput

      Desjardins and other French-language cooperative financial institutions outside of Québec called "caisse populaire", as well as the English-lnaguage equivalents called credit unions across Canada, are not weird, they are just different.

      • Tim

        Thanks. I didn't know a caisse populaire in French language jurisdictions was the same as a credit union. I did know Desjardins in Ontario is a credit union but I wasn't sure whether the structure in Quebec is the same. I do know one piece of the Flaherty/Harper interprovincial trade and financial regulation plan is to try to create a new federal caisse populaire charter that Desjardins could fit into. One issue with Desjardins is that they sell insurance right in their branches which chartered banks cannot do to protect independent insurance agents which historically are very politically influential in English speaking Canada. I have heard that the provinces are even more reluctant for Flaherty to take away the remaining oversight of insurance(provinces still exercise a lot of power over the sale of insurance) than securities because they believe it would lead to things such as interprovincial sales of auto insurance.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    The problem is that Obama's guiding principle is Rahm's famous "Never let a crisis go to waste," rather than the more desirable "Do what it takes to fix the crisis and prevent a repeat." Accordingly he is more interested in expanding government into the realm of business for ideological reasons than exploring solutions that have been tried and found successful elsewhere.

    It's the same mistake he made on health care, actually: use the problems in the system as an excuse to expand government rather than exploring alternate approaches ( eliminate state-line restrictions, tort reform) that are more practical but don't fit the ideology.

  • Dot

    I've been helping a relative deal with one of Canada's big boring banks to try to correct some improper charges and withdrawals made from their account that were clearly the bank's fault. The bureaucracy and ass covering is incredible. That's the downside…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

      Try doing this at Citi or Wells and see if it's any better. Guess what: it won't be.

  • Dot

    Q: Do big conservative banks (in their lending practices) tend to lead to less capital investment in equipment, and hence contribute to the growing productivity gap that we have relative to the U.S.?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

      You are too quick for me Dot.

      It would be interesting to find a credible estimate for the hit Canada takes annually in economic growth from that and compound it annually over the past few decades. It is not at all clear that we would end up ahead.

      • Tim

        I would say Canada today and historically has a very vigorous equity market for the size of its economy. The Toronto Stock Exchange actually has twice the market capitalization/value of Milan/Italy which is a similar sized economy and even has a greater capitalization than Frankfurt. The only stock markets bigger than Toronto are Hong Kong, Paris, Shanghai, Tokyo, London, and New York.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchan…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

      I think part of our productivity gap is also on the labour side of the equation; due to our culture of balancing work/life. We're not as determined to have all the big cars/houses and debt as a people. So we work less; especially in Quebec. We also have more unions, which makes an impact on productivity. Having said this, I also realize we Canadians are starting to take on more personal debt and that there is a risk of housing bubble being burst in the next while…

      Anyway, comparing Canada's and the US's banking systems is like comparing apples and oranges. Differences in leadership and culture over the years has influenced so many of the variables in our respective banking evolutions.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      1) Numerous examples of Canadian Banks not having conservative lending practices in the past…..CIBC has driven itself into the ditch more than once due to aggressive lending practices in particular sectors, oil and gas in the 80"s, real estat in the 90's. All Banks took major haricuts in the late 80's housing bust, so we arent immune, but we seem to make the big errors once and move on.

      2) The underinvestment in capital equipment isnt so much a bank lending issue as a choice that Canadian managers make. Of course a concious effort to run a low dollar policy at the macro was one reason, when labour is low relative to capital equipment what do you think businesses tend to invest in or use?. But its a complex issue that you cannot blame solely on the banks.

      3) regulators kept a tighter reign on the capital ratio's in Canada. This is the source of the real issue in Europe, the issue in the US invilved that and being the source of bad product. But the Euros leveraged themselves to some terrible levels.

      • Dot

        The bank I'm dealing with on behalf of my relative has branches across Canada. Yet they do not have integrated computer systems. For example, I am told that the Quebec and Ontario divisions of the bank are run separately–well as far as IT goes, anyway. So, a simple activity such as looking online on the bank's own computers to determine where a questionable transaction was originating was not possible. Or so they claim.

        Hard to believe that this complacent/oligopolist culture isn't extended to its borrowers through the lenders.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

          Which bank is it?

          • Dot

            Not going to say. Not fair.

          • MediaBuff

            How is it not fair?

            I'm going to guess. I know the major IT systems of 3 of the big 6, and a reasonable idea of two others. I have dealt with all 6 in one capacity or the other.

            Royal is the worst, with the most sub-regionalized infrastructure imaginable. The right hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. And the left hand? The left hand is not to be tolerated.

            If I was to pick an opposite of the Royal, I'd say TD with their strong CT heritage, although their i-bank integration leaves something to be desired.

          • Dot

            You get the Olympic gold medal.

          • Tim

            TD got a lot heat in the US when they merged the IT systems of what used to be BankNorth in New England with the former Commerce Bank in the Mid Atlantic region and Florida and caused huge downtime for their customers for almost a week. Having said that they were given a lot of credit by bank IT analysts for bitting the bullet and getting all of their US customers and branches on a single system unlike some larger banks such as BofA who literally have 10+ systems for different regions of the US. Just in case anyone is curious Commerce Bank was almost the US version of Canada Trust that's why TD was willing to pay so much to buy it. In fact as I understand new TD branches in Canada are actually in the future going to like archetectually the former Commerce Bank ones in the US.

  • Anon

    No amount of fiddling is going to stop Rome from burning at this point.

  • David B.

    Ontario is short $24 billion this year. BC about $3 billion. Alberta over $4 billion. In fact every province in Canada’s in the red.

    The feds, of course, are short $56 billion. When you add up the money all governments are spending this year that they don’t have – which I figure is just a little under $100 billion – you get an idea of what’s coming. And it’s inevitable: (a) honking big tax increases, and (b) huge spending cuts.

    The tax increases will be in the form of the HST (provincial), a higher GST (federal) and property taxes (local). That’s for starters – over the next three years. After that, you should expect the age at which CPP is paid to increase to match that in the States (67), the RRSP tax deduction to become a credit (cutting the benefit by up to half), health care premiums to creep across Canada and a surtax on ‘high income’ Canadians (over $100,000).

  • David B.

    My last comment from Garth Turner.CA …. what the heck does he know eh? But he was one man when in Ottawa inspired income splitting for seniors and TFSA.

    • Dot

      My last comment from Garth Turner.CA

      Let's keep in mind that the CA does NOT stand for chartered accountant. In fact, what sort of formal training at all does he have in this area? Nada according to wiki:

      Turner was born in Woodstock, Ontario, and educated at the University of Toronto Schools. He earned a Bachelor of Arts in English literature from the University of Toronto, and a Master of Arts in English literature from the University of Western Ontario.

      Explains his ability to write prodigiously, mind you.

      • Susan

        Mr. Halton has devolved much further in some respects, as he touts his spiel at low level, penny stock pumping trade shows, like the recent one in Vancouver. He uses his 'investing advice' to warm up the widows and orphans for the close by his associates. The close is of course to entice us to buy the next big ten center stock headed for ten bucks. To use this charm to prey on the gullibility off people is beyond the pale.

        • Dot

          When Turner was still an MP, he used his travel budget to visit with his web groupies across Canada in "townhall meetings". Someone recorded his overhead presentation and spiel and posted it online. I watched it. Pitiful. Yet, he sells books and draws the crowds.

          • Tim

            I would still like to see a new party with David Orchard and Garth Turner as co-leaders. They would be made for each other.

  • David B.

    So here is bottom line is our MSM going to continue to cave in to Ottawa by not exposing the truth ( Hello the US of A is even in more serious trouble then they even believed) OR will they do investigative journalism and print the truth about Canada's true economic future coupled with the real true number of our National Debt and cost cutting measures? I say this because in end we all loose. (working class)

    • JimD

      The MSM won't touch the truth and you know it. How many people in the US even know that the Federal Reserve is a privately-owned corporation? It is far more complicit in these problems than any of the "convential" banks, investment compnaies and insurance firms. We're a little better off here with our Bank of Canada, but its still privately owned and that's a major problem. The liberty and economic well-being of any country is severely impeded without a publicly owned central bank.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

    David B, that's quite the analysis.

  • Tim

    I am suprised to hear this. US banks are well known for having different IT systems and operations between states as legacy of consolidation and the fact for many years banks couldn't branch across state lines. I always assumed Canadian banks operated in a far more national integrated manor. My understanding is that in the last year though Canadian banks have ramped up their spending on IT big time.

  • Dot

    There has to be some regional politicking going on here. Loto 6/49 used to be similar (don't know if it still is). If you bought a ticket in western Canada, you couldn't verify it in the maritimes, for example. Mind you, these are separate provincial crown corporations.

  • David B.

    Do not know where to start.

    Canadians are farther in debt than ever.

    Canadians owe more per household than Americans

    Candians housing has four of highest priced area's in the world

    Canada went from a $18 Billion surplus to $56 Billion deficit in less than 4 years

    Canada's Finance minister and Co, (Harper/Flaherty/Carney) will not heed the warnings from Canada Bank CEO's to tighten credit

    And worst Canadians do not see or understand they will pay the bills for all who will toss in their chips and move to welfare or worst.

    So think about this;

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

      I don't think your debt per household stat is correct but I'd be happily proven wrong if you could provide a source. But your overall point is valid – there is some risk to loosening the credit market to get out of a recession that was in part caused by too loose a credit market.

      • jade lee

        The banks appear to be deflecting onto the government of Canada the risk they themselves have been taking and now that interest rates are historically low these same risk takers know that they are getting paid less and are more open to scrutiny in todays climate. If the current leadership in Canada wants to promote wellness in our banking system so be it but it's the principals of macro economics that will determine how sound our systems is when this recession truly comes to an end. I think the difference between the US and Canadian banks is that the American bankers got caught. Our government refuses to see that bailing out our banks ie buying all the risky mortgages at the beginning of this current crisis is a failure of both our banks and our governments lack of oversight on that matter.

  • BobbyB

    I believe that as Canada's population grows and our economy grows that our banks will have a tendency to be more like what we are seeing in the US today. They will try and get yet another way to increase the bottom line. To do that quickly (show a better bottom line) will require less secure (more dubious) financial transactions and they will start to deviate from the more traditional purposes that a bank has (where Canadians have a place for savings, a place for borrowing). Without regulations and regulators Canad's banks will morf into the dreaded US scenario we see today and all Canadians will be exposed! Less is not more!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

      As Andrew and Vince rightly point out, Canada's regulator already has the authority and mandate to prevent this.

  • DC Grad student

    Andrew,
    Great analysis, but you and those throwing compliments at our system miss one difference between the two systems that as a Canadian periodically living in the US while attending grad school has made a huge difference. In the States, the competition for retail bank accounts is so fierce to get new customers, and therefore assets to invest, potential loans and mortgages, credit cards, etc., the US banks practically give away savings and chequing accounts for free. For example, my student chequing account was free so long as I activated my account on their website (which they did for me when I started the account) and my ATM card purchases were free of fees so long as I chose "credit" as the transaction type. In Canada, where there is little competition, the average Canadian could be paying upwards of $20 a month in accumulated fees. While retail bank customers rightly feel nickeled and dimed, it gave our banks the necessary liquidity to cushion the blow their subprime mortgage investments.

    • RagingRanter

      In other words, we get what we pay for. We pay higher ATM fees and other levies, but this reduces the pressures on banks to engage in higher-risk activities. Our deposits and our financial system are therefore safe. Sounds like a bargain to me. I'd rather pay a few bucks a month more in fees than pay billions (trillions?) to bail them out. People who complain about the banks making too much money should ask themselves what it would be like when the banks stop making money. (See the US for a scary example. See Icleand for an even scarier one.) One final note, US banks are subject to a plethora of populist state laws that allow for walk-away mortgages and othe idiocies. These laws, passed under the guise of "consumer protection" by populist state politicians, have the effect of rendering banks unable to properly measure or manage risk, or collect on bad debts.

  • RagingRanter

    The first comment is correct. Principles-based accounting and financial regulations are always vastly superior to rules or laws-based principles. No amount of rules and laws can ever cover every possible eventuality. Therefore, it is a constant losing battle to plug the holes with more and tighter rules. However, a handful of general principles can and do cover nearly every set of circumstances. And if you're in violation of one or more principles, in a principle-based system, it is very difficult to hide behind the technical wording of the law.

    And AC's point is bang on. Better regulation does not mean tighter or more regulation. It means more efficient, more effective regulation. The whole narative about the US falling victim to the "unfettered free market" defies reality. The US had and has some of the most onerous, complicated, burdensome and misguided financial regulation in the world. Sarbanes-Oxly anyone? The answer certainly isn't "more of the same".

    • peter

      You've stumbled over the truth. Honorable men do follow principles, lobbyists and bureaucrats push for rules. The decline of our world is directly proportional to the PR campaigns designed around "there oughta'a be a law…." campaigns. The problem is a corporate entity is tough to lock up and severe sanctions hurt the shareholders. Sorbanes-Oxley (sp) tried to address this in the US but still it just provides more loopholes and red tape.

      If corporate officers lost their shield and were personally liable for harm caused to others by their failure to be diligent things would improve quickly.

      • Tim

        One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that in Canada the whole junior market/TSX Venture would not even be able to exist under Sarbanes Oxley. Thus this why you are starting to see US companies go public on the TSX Venture or even the TSX main market.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    The Canadian government bought INSURED mortgages in order to get liabilities off the balance sheets of the banks so they would lend more. The banks did not demand it, nor did they need it.

    The loan portfolios of Canadian banks have significantly less risk than American banks – it is not about "not getting caught" – there's a myriad of reasons why this is true which I'm happy to debate.

    Bottom line is, Canadian Banks (and homeowners by the way) took significantly less risk than our American friends.

  • http://www.spartanmoving.com/ San Francisco movers

    David B that was quite interesting.Thanks for the info.

    Do not know where to start.

    Canadians are farther in debt than ever.

    Canadians owe more per household than Americans

    Candians housing has four of highest priced area's in the world

    Canada went from a $18 Billion surplus to $56 Billion deficit in less than 4 years

    Canada's Finance minister and Co, (Harper/Flaherty/Carney) will not heed the warnings from Canada Bank CEO's to tighten credit

    And worst Canadians do not see or understand they will pay the bills for all who will toss in their chips and move to welfare or worst.

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