The People vs. Ex-Generalissimo Blair

The grilling the former British PM is getting over invading Iraq suits the enemy just fine

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:00am - 59 Comments

The People vs. Ex-Generalissimo Blair

It’s supposed to be Sept. 12—that’s to say, the post-9/11 era. For over seven years the entire Western world was forced to live out a kind of geopolitical Groundhog Day in which Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the rest of the gang woke up each dawn to the same eternal Tuesday morning in September, the same long shadows of the Twin Towers, the same undying certainty of another six decades of hard, cold, martial winter. It wasn’t only the ideologically opposed among the campus left and the Euro-elites: the vast mass of a once supportive citizenry got ground down, too, exhausted by the very lingo of the “war on terror” and anxious to inter it with the Bush presidency. That’s why Barack Obama was cheered from Berkeley to Berlin. He offered liberation. To invert the old line, war may be interested in him, but he wasn’t interested in war. And in those heady days of late 2008 that seemed almost plausible.
Jaw-jaw is better than war-war, as Churchill said, although he might feel differently if he had to sit through an Obama state of the union. But what about law-law? In the United States, the United Kingdom and even Canada, it’s not enough to move on to Sept. 12: the Bush era itself has to be put on trial. In London, something called “the Chilcot inquiry” has been investigating the process by which the country signed on to the Iraq invasion. For weeks, the usual bunch of shifty grandees have killed any potential awkward line of inquiry with the all-purpose brush-off, “You’ll have to ask Mr. Blair about that.” So finally they did, summoning the now reviled prime minister into the witness box to grill him on the “legality” of the Iraq invasion. Outside, protesters denounced “Bliar,” as his name is now universally spelled: “BLIAR LIED! THOUSANDS DIED!” Like a pedophile serial killer, he was smuggled into the building before dawn, lest the mob turn on him: “The People vs. Ex-Generalissimo Bliar”—or, at any rate, as near as his former comrades on the left seem likely to get to hauling him up before a war crimes tribunal in The Hague.

Come to think of it, one wouldn’t entirely rule that out. George Monbiot, the Guardian columnist and “climate change” warm-monger, is now overheating on the Bliar front and—following an aborted attempt to perform a citizen’s arrest on neo-con hard man John Bolton during his book tour—has now started a website called arrestblair.org offering a bounty for any plucky Brit willing to do the right thing and deliver the war criminal into custody.

In Washington, despite ever whinier and self-pitying references to all the problems he’s “inherited” from the Bush junta, President Obama isn’t yet ready to have his predecessor arrested. That’s not to say his unlovely attorney general hasn’t looked into it: Eric Holder’s Justice Department was happy to waste much of the last year investigating Bush administration lawyers to see if their legal advice on interrogation methods was grounds for disbarment. Instead, however, they decided to demonstrate their postwar bona fides by taking Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who planned 9/11, out of Guantánamo and giving him a criminal trial in New York City. In the Obama world view, KSM did not perpetrate an act of war but simply pulled off the equivalent of a liquor-store holdup with a somewhat higher body count: it’s not a war, it’s a law enforcement matter.

Meanwhile, in Ottawa, the Supreme Court of Canada has denounced the use of sleep deprivation techniques on KSM’s fellow Gitmo poster boy, Omar Khadr. Their Lordships were gracious enough to acknowledge that the federal government exercises the royal prerogative in respect of external relations, but hinted strongly that they’d be mighty tempted to wade in if Mr. Harper’s ministry doesn’t jump to it and start pressuring Washington re: shipping home the Maple Kid. That’s quite an accomplishment: an ugly little nickel ’n’ dime jihadist is one court decision away from fundamentally reshaping the Dominion’s entire conception of government.

In the fevers of Western civilization’s death throes, few delusions are more potent than the notion that everything can be litigated—everything, from insufficient government support for an enemy combatant, to the nation’s casus belli, to the aggressor’s act of war itself. Invariably, this descent into self-paralyzing legalisms is justified with the pious insistence that unless we wage this war in a manner consistent with “our values,” then the terrorists will have won. As it happens, “our values,” as variously demonstrated in London, Ottawa and Washington, are at odds with our entire history. But when an advanced society now goes to war it is obliged to demonstrate its even-handedness to ever more absurd degrees, to the point where we have no dog in our own fight.

What’s striking is the passion attached to all three campaigns. There are many reasons why Canadians might be appalled by the Khadr family’s story. They might be mad at Immigration Canada for letting ’em in and giving ’em citizenship in the first place. They might be furious at Jean Chrétien for personally intervening to get ol’ Pop Khadr sprung from jail in Pakistan so he could resume his, ahem, “charity work.” Canadians might reasonably be steamed at this magazine for peddling the same old sob-sister hooey as the other media eunuchs in the politically correct harem: “Caught in a muddle: an arrested aid worker appeals for Chrétien’s help” (Maclean’s, Jan. 9, 1996). They might be ever so slightly peeved at young Omar’s brother, paralyzed in a firefight in Pakistan and not fancying a prison hospital in Peshawar, flying “home” to Toronto to enjoy the benefits of Ontario health care.

They might raise an ever so slightly quizzical eyebrow at M. Chrétien for telling another of Omar’s brothers, a mere weapons purchaser for al-Qaeda, that “once I was a son of a farmer, and I became prime minister. Maybe one day you will become one.” Indeed.

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  • http://www.machine-altaica.com John

    The great political force of our lifetimes is self-hatred. In the 20th century it was famines and gulags; in the 21st it's environmentalism and sharia. Either way, self-haters work HARD: I fear these self-destructive litigation tournaments will NEVER end. For comic relief, I suggest going to askimam.org and doing a search for "jinn." I guarantee hours of amusement. Then do "hair gel": that's a productive one too. For those of us who aren't afraid to recognize enemies, let us show them our hearty contempt by laughing at them.

  • Tis

    Thanks again Mark. Truth is indeed beauty. So the inmates have taken over the asylum. Is there any hope? Truth, truth and more truth. Keep at it for the rest of us.

  • RDB

    Mark Steyn turns from argument to fuming in this one. I tend to agree with his point, but there’s hardly an argument in these paragraphs, mostly harumphing and peevish sniping. Did Steyn for sure write this one? How much stimulant was he on, if he did?

    • guest

      I thought his tone was rather mellow on this one.

      • RDB

        You say mellow, I say bellow . . .

  • observer

    Peter, you've obviously never been to Iraq

    • Peter

      Correct, but if you were to go, would you go now or 20 years ago? You could not pay me enough to go there now…
      Remember that Simpsons episode when Homer finds the old Times (I think) magazine with Saddam on the cover, saying "that was when we were friends with Saddam".

      • TJY

        We were never "friends" with Saddam. Try to get at least the most basic facts correct. The Realpolitik policy was to play one odious regime, Iraq, against another, Iran.
        A common comment at the time about the vicious war between them was, "It's a pity they can't both lose". The Iraq/Iran war took place while memories of the hostage crisis in Iran were still very fresh, and NO one ever had any illusions that Saddam was anything more than a dubious proxy useful for irritating Iran.

  • russ in nc

    cant wait to see blair and bush (among others) on trial in the hague. what a spectacle that will be.

  • True Conservative

    Peter

    You are truly a moron! Why not ask the Kurds and the Shiites in Iraq [who are 75% of the population] if they preferred being under Saddam and his murderous sons 20 years ago! The carnage going on now is fanatics of either al queda or Iraqi origin killing other Iraqis! If the fanatics were dead, it would be a peaceful, democracy and an example to the rest of the dysfunctional Middle East! But, then, you are a moron and couldn't see reality, like liberals everywhere, until it was at your front door and ready to kill you! Slumber on, fool.

    • Peter

      Well certainly I am not saying that Iraq was a paradise, but if you were hearing almost daily that somebody blew up 40 ppl downtown Toronto or Montreal or Halifax, would you say you were happy living in such an awesome free country?
      Secondly, true, Saddam killed thousands (I won't pretend to know the exact figure). How many died since the US/UK intervention? Last time I checked it was around 600,000, and it was a while ago. Hence my comparison the the medicine vs. sickness…

      By the way, when is the US invading Turkey? They have been killing Kurds for decades now (hey they even invaded the northern Iraq not too long ago, you might have seen it on CNN). Do you think anytime soon?

      All in all, I was saying that we replaced a bad situation with worse. Saddam was all buddy-buddy with the States when he's fighting Iran, but he stepped out of the line and didn't want to be Americans' puppet.

      Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

      • Masked Marvel

        Peter,

        Best not to quote the 600,000 dead (a made-up extrapolation from some public health researchers) – do the math: over the period, the claim was 15,000 violent deaths per month or 500 per day based on a sampling of 1849 Iraqi families across 18 geographical areas.

        The 600,000 figure claimed in the study had an error range of 426,000 to 794,000 – if a pollster used that sort of error, they would be laughed out of the business.

        BTW, I do believe Steyn himself made a trip to Iraq shortly after the invasion was completed.

      • Greg

        Peter, if we were hearing almost daily that terrorists blew up 40 ppl in downtown Toronto or Montreal or Halifax our police and maybe our military would be out there fighting them, and probably being blown up themselves, just like in Iraq. But that sure as hell wouldn't mean they would withdraw and let the poor downtrodden bombers run loose. Sadam may not have been directly linked to 9/11 but he had his own terrorism thing going, including funding suicide bombers, and at the time most of the world, including 95% of the Democrats, believed he had WMD. If Bush had not deposed Saddam and Saddam had launched some kind of attack, Bush would have been lynched for ignoring all the "intelligence". Anyone can make a good decision in hindsight, and Iincidentally I wonder what you think Saddam might be doing now, seven years later, if he had not been deposed. Planting vegetables? How about having to worry about both a hostile Iraq and a hostile Iran going nuclear at the same time? You can't say it's worse now without considering the alternatives.

      • TJY

        You truly are a moron. Saddam killed several hundred thousand of his own people. In just one instance, he gassed the Kurdish province and killed at least 30 thousand. He invaded Iran and killed hundreds of thousands. He invaded Kuwait and killed ten of thousands. Estimates of the number killed by murder and torture EVERY YEAR range up to 20,000 people.

        You say 600,000 died from the US/UK intervention. This is a thoroughly discredited figure from the Lancet. There are many organizations eager to count war dead in Iraq, and the more creditable numbers range from 70,000 to 110,000 killed over the past 8 years. The vast majority of these were Iraqis killed by other Iraqis. The number killed by US/UK forces is thought to be only a tenth of the total.

        George Bush conducted that war by standards that historically speaking are spotless, white lacy doily clean. Got a movie rental for you. Look at the PBS series called "Carrier". It's a documentary following a 6 month deployment of the aircraft carrier Nimitz. We leave San Diego with the crew and follow the mission to its conclusion over 10, 1 hour segments in 2005.
        Once they reach the Persian Gulf , the carrier bombers flew hundreds of sorties over Iraq. Guess how many bombs were dropped over the total length of the deployment by that cowboy, warmonger, Bush?

        Zero. Zip. Nada. Despite flying hundreds of sorties, the Nimitz dropped NO bombs on its 6 month deployment in the Persian Gulf. You can sense from the series, that the PBS reporters were a bit befuddled by that unexpected result. Bush is a warmonger, right? He doesn't care about the Iraqi people, right? How is it possible that he didn't level a few cities?
        The fact is that the entire worldview propounded by the MSM is thoroughly whacked. Anybody reading only the NYT, Time Magazine, CBS News etc. has no idea what is going on in the world.

  • Dismembering Serbia

    Given Mark Steyn´s mention of the military intervention by the U.S. and E.U. in Kosovo, I suggest those interested in this topic read an uncommon interpretation regarding this conflict at: http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/…

  • jpdog5

    Does it not really come down to" If we are the big dog we can not just sit on the porch"
    We can talk about who we should bite , when we should bite, but not if we should bite.
    The great powers globally and morally must intervene in some places and can not possibly be in all places.
    Bless God that Bush and Blair had the balls to do something, alas not perfectly, but certainly with good intentions.
    These are men of honor, though mislead at times, certainly with good purpose.
    Sometimes asses must be kicked, what world leader now has the balls to do it.
    Keep it real, think about the bullies in the neighborhoods you can afford not to live in.

    • Peter

      "Bless God that Bush and Blair had the balls to do something, alas not perfectly, but certainly with good intentions. "
      I seriously doubt their good intentions, unless you are referring to handing out millions of dollars in contracts to their buddies in private sector to rebuild Iraq. The war is big business, I seriously doubt anyone in Washington or London gives a rats ass about the people who died.

      • Xty

        I believe in Bush's good intentions – you really didn't understand Steyn's article – and that they might align with other interests is exactly Steyn's point. You assume that because the war was in America's interest it was immoral.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/AJR79 AJR79

          A billion $ trial for KSM?

          If you believe that, you must be a loon-loon.

  • http://twitter.com/jasonahart @jasonahart

    The snarky comments confirm Steyn's point: leftists give our enemies the benefit of every doubt, leaving none for our leaders.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Grahampink Grahampink

    Seriously, 32% of the responses to the poll on this page think that the eco scold David Suzuki should light the Olympic flame?
    But I guess he is carrying the flame for that whole global warming thing, so it makes some sense.
    Oh, and great article as usual Steyn.

  • YouGoMark

    Moral supremacy? When a large part of the argument focuses on our "sameness" versus our "differences" talk of supremacy in anything should simply not be tolerated. But even if we go the route of moral supremacy, should not our moral value to live at least carry equal weight to our enemies moral value to die? Walking softly and carrying a big stick just doesn't cut it anymore, especially when the whole world knows you have no intention of using the stick.

  • Thomas_L…….

    Thanks for voicing the truly "inconvenient truths" Mark. Everyone but the CBC, 17 dippers, 16 libs and now the Liberal appointed supreme court says, "Screw Omar Khadr and the Taliban!" but our "betters" apparently know better. The majority is wrong though because "they" know better how to run a democracy, as well.

  • MarkS- Jupiter FL

    "I really don't mind that liberals will have to lie down in this bed in hell they have made for themselves…" Precisely so, Lawrence. As I've said for years, the next time we get hit, meaning the West, I'm hoping it's Harvard Square, Berkeley or Ontario, Brussels or some other house of liberalism. Remember Michael Moore's 9/11 lament about why they hit NYC where many liberals live and who did not "vote for Bush"? And ponder too my bumper sticker from 9/11 "Hey Liberal, they'll cut your throat first." Pining to marry a same sex partner or are actually married to one? Well, the only discussion in Islam is how you should be killed. All for women's equality? Scratch that, get under that burka or be beaten like a dog in the street by religious police. Ditto if you leave the house alone, drive a car or a hundred other insults to a misogynistic, paternalistic islam. Agnostic? Atheist? Buddist or Hindu? Better run for the hills because you receive no quarter. At least us Christians and Jews are made a onetime offer most won't refuse: convert, live as fourth class dhimmis or die but for the unbeliever there is no mercy. What's that you say, you're a "wicken". Oh boy, better just hang yourself before hoping to live under islam. I've been paying attention to the world scene for almost 50 years and it's always surprising to me how easy it is for the most privileged folks the world has known to discount evil and aggression lest it disturb their assumptions and impose real duty. Folks who are always ready to man the barricades and take to the streets- to assault their own kind. A sort of no-fault protest and posturing from moral cowards. Let us pray the next big hit kills only such as these.

    • Eric

      Mark, truly inspired.

  • mickey

    Interesting photo with the article. Anyone familiar with the British armed forces knows that they are overwhelmingly manned by white, native British soldiers. Yet here we have six of twelve visible faces being black. Why was such an unrepresentative picture chosen?

    • Archie

      All to better show off the Blair agenda of "inclusivity", "multi-cultural diversity", and all the other humbug that is the Blair agenda which has made life hell for other Britons (and from which his wife has made a not inconsiderable amount of money as a "yuman-rights lawyer")

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    Canada government did enough to support the Khadr family jihad ventures by Chretien intervention to free papa Khadr from Pakistani jail so that he may resume his "Charitable work". We don't owe the Kahdr family anything more

  • WRS10

    The legal nonsense is indeed nonsense but there is no avoiding the issue that the preparation for the occupation of Iraq was abysmal. How do we avoid a repeat? That matters.

  • Den

    Once again we're subject to the triumph of diet poltics for the iGeneration where I am (screamingly and sanctimoniously) right, this ain't CSI legal and not in Myspace name. Once again the persecuters get their Jerry Springer confessional and seriously maintain moral fault lies not with, say murderers prepared to turn their own nations into slaughterhouses, or maybe those guys who strap up a belt of semtex ready to detonate people who dare to just be about in Bagdad, no, it's with evil old Tony Blair.

  • Den

    Suprise, suprise, teh angle of attack isn't to actually engage in a debate about the global threats Jihadism presents, no, we get the cowards collateral angle of law and legalism, as if a second resolution would have mattered to any of the anti-Blair crew. This is indeed an unpleasant side show, and yet another example of Western moral atrophy, characteristically it aint an honest debate about the whys and wherefores, no, it's death by a thousand paper cuts. Inquiries offer a political long grass to stave issues off, but unless and until we get a handle on the damage these sorts of unedifying whitch trials we're watch slowly as each one of em sapps our moral and political authority as nations who wish to be free. The Jihadis must love this stuff.

  • Mark

    "If you look at the 1960-70's, see how many (now democratic) countries were ruled by military dictatorships? Brazil, many others around the world. They changed the regimes peacefully without foreign intervention"

    Not surprising, since "foreign intervention" put most of these dictators in power in the first place.

  • Johh

    You know,of course there was September 11,but why head to Aghanistan and then Iraq,those soldiers don`t even know what they are fighting for to begin with.Whta is to be achieved by these wars anyway.Thye were totally unnecessary to begin.All that happened was destabilisation of Iraq and Afghanistan.Those two countries do not even have functinoing security forces.If Iraqis ahd choice,they would gladly go back to Saddam,he didn`t have chaos,he kept everybody in line,not that I am condoning that.Thye are losing the wars anyway,there is an increasing Taliban presence in Afghanistan,they will be back soon enough.I won`t be surprised if the Baath Party came back.

    Hey Mark,why don`t you vacation in Iraq?I am sure your family has so much good to see over there,the good that has been created by America.

  • guest

    Peter, I don't think you did get it. Moral strength is an excellent goal and it can be well illustrated by standing around doing nothing while the bombs land in your neighbourhood. The question is, do you stand by while the bombs fall (assuming you understand my reference to Sept. 11) or do you respond? If I understand you, your response would be to do nothing, at least with force. Perhaps if you were the US, you would have issued a strongly worded letter to al-qaeda? Think that would have showed 'em?

  • Rob H

    So you'd say "yes". The Saddam regime killed hundreds of thousands during his rule and would have continued. He also would have aided any group wishing to destroy Israel through clandestine support.

  • TJY

    If posts such as this one are to become the norm, our civilization really is doomed. Peter argues with a straight face that a totalitarian dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people and maintained a vicious, expansionist, police state is preferable to a pluralistic parliamentarian democracy.

    The method by which that regime change occurred can certainly be challenged, but Peter is comparing the outcome with what existed before.

    A significant portion of our benighted voters have apparently now become unable to make even the grossest moral distinctions. We are in BIG trouble.

  • hugh whittington

    Gee, I wonder why the Iraqis hanged "Chemical Ali" a week or so ago for gassing several thousand people. Last I heard, poison gas was a weapon of mass destruction.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    I'm in complete agreement about the idiocy of the Left regarding the witch-hunt carried out against Bush administration lawyers and the current court proceedings involving Blair. These are manifestations of the Left's insatiable hatred for any happy warrior who outmaneuvers them, and their lust for revenge through public disgrace and humiliation of former political enemies.

    But what does this have to do with Khadr? Yes, his family took advantage of our country. Yes, Chretien was a horse's ass with an ego the size of a modest Latin American country. But Khadr is being held prisoner when it is unclear whether he was even a combatant. You can't take everyone in a combat zone prisoner on the assumption that they're enemy combatants. There are conflicting allegations concerning whether he was even involved in the firefight during which he was captured – these need to be resolved.

    Now, I'll readily admit that part of the problem is the Taliban's frequent tactic of disguising themselves as civilians. This inevitably leads to civilians being killed/captured as combatants. It's a violation of the laws of war and they should be executed if, after capture, they are tried by court martial and found guilty of such crimes. And yes, the Left bears responsibility for encouraging this problem as well.

    But that's the Left. We don't take our standards of behaviour from them: if we do, they win. Rather we take our standards of behaviour from a fundamental belief that humans have inalienable rights. Therefore it is wrong to hold someone without trial (in this case court martial) and evidence who may in fact be a civilian.

  • JoeC

    I can't believe those morons are suggesting we actually obey the same laws we hold other political leaders to! Those idiot lefties don't understand that international laws only apply to other, less important countries. Our leaders should never, ever be held to account for illegally invading other countries, fiddling while the world economy burned, etc. It's probably the left's fault, anyway.

    And WTF?! Why hasn't that psycho lefty Obama solved ALL of the world's problems yet? He's had OVER A YEAR ALREADY!!! Just more proof that lefties can't get anything done.

  • Amit

    "Questioned to Death". "No Dog in our own fight." It takes Mark's parody to remind us how parodic our society has become in reality. We now to go to extreme lengths to fight battles for people who pine for our own destruction, and we justify it on the basis of "moral superiority". I'd rather be a cretin and win. I thought I made a pact with my own society to be civil and live under the rule of law. Since when do I have to apply my standards extraterritorially to those who seek my destruction (explicitly)?

  • JimD

    I don't see what Khadr and KS Mohammed have to do with Blair, and I don't see what wanting to see Blair (and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.) prosecuted for very real and very egregious crimes against humanity has to do with being Left or Right.

  • LHM

    Gaunilon – you should remember that your good Cdn. citizen, Khadr threw a hand grenade that killed an American soldier in that particular battle in Afghanistan, so I'd say he was involved in the "firefight" even though he may not have fired a gun? The U.S. arrested him for killing this soldier and for being part of the group of terrorists they were fighting that day, so the U.S. has the right to bring him to trial for killing the U.S. soldier. Up until Obomba took office, the Gitmo detainees were considered enemy combatants captured as part of the war against terrorism. Now with Holder they have conveniently become regular convicts to go to trial in U.S. criminal courts even though they are not citizens of the U.S.

  • Rod the Mod

    You just had to know a fictional character would come into it when you hear the mantra of "The Left' puked out like it is a disease. You might try coming into this century. Or, come to think of it, stay in th eMiddle Ages with "the Creator"

  • http://twitter.com/FACLC @FACLC

    "You can't take everyone in a combat zone prisoner on the assumption that they're enemy combatants."

    Really? It's only been a perfectly acceptable military tactic over some six thousand years of recorded history. But nevermind, you've set us straight.

  • Xty

    Spell check not working?

  • Peter

    First let me say I always enjoy reading Mark's column.
    If I understand this article correctly, he says that invading another country (in this case Iraq) is okay, because the US is an empire and can do whatever it needs to to maintain its domination. The pretext for the war was a terrorist act by a handful of non-Iraqis and some far fetched stories about WMDs, which were never found.
    I think despite what Mark suggests here, if we are to call ourselves morally superior, we need to show those qualities whether in war or in peace. Otherwise, how are we to convince anyone but ourselves about the righteousness of our cause?
    On another note, I've heard comments that Iraq was becoming a 1st world nation (until the war), enjoying prosperity due to its natural resources. I wonder if people there would not gladly go back to being ruled by Saddam, rather than enduring endless civil war.
    Was the medicine worse than the sickness in his case? I'd say yes.
    My reason for the statement? If you look at the 1960-70's, see how many (now democratic) countries were ruled by military dictatorships? Brazil, many others around the world. They changed the regimes peacefully without foreign intervention. Democracy works wonderfully if everyone agrees to it. Sometimes though you need a strong hand to keep a country together. But I digress…

  • Xty

    Parody, sarcasm and strawmen. Who ever said that "our leaders should never, ever be held to account" except for you? Perhaps you could address the actual article, which points to the lunacy of only fighting wars that do not suit national interest, and the crazy attempt to litigate most everything?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Actually I was just quoting the US Declaration of Independence, that medievalist fictional rant from the religious wackos who started this thing called the United States of America. I understand said "USA", as they now call it, is waging some kind of war out in the Middle East. But you know how ignorant religious types like me are.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    You don't know that he killed anyone. Neither, apparently, do the soldiers who captured him. Their initial report, as I understand it, gave a different account of the firefight.

    Anyway, the point is that he has a right to a determination as to whether he actually fought or not. If not, he's a civilian. If yes, he's a Taliban child soldier. You can't detain him on the assumption of the latter. Perhaps this has already been done – perhaps it's been established that he really was fighting. In that case the Canadian government should make that fact public so that a lot of us who otherwise support harsh measures against combatants don't continue under the delusion that he might be a civilian being held for lack of effort to establish his status.

  • Charlie Brown

    To quote the Bard, "First, we'll kill all the lawyers…"

  • Lawrence

    I really don't mind that liberals will have to lie down in this bed in hell they have made for themselves, when the consequences of their alliance with the Jihad are borne out, the problem is they expect us to lie down in it with them. We are all expected to go down on the SS LIBERAL INSANITY, and I'm starting to think we will…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Well let's put it this way: what is sometimes done is to detain everyone until the battle in that immediate area is over, after which non-combatants are let go. Clearly, if this man is a non-combatant and has been held for years, that's not the case here. He deserves some sort of legal proceeding to establish the facts as to whether he was fighting or not.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    No he was just a tourist that happened to be in Taliban controlled fortress

  • Marty

    Nor grammer check. Or though check.

  • Johh

    So I made a few mistakes,so what?

  • JamesS

    If he threw a grenade, he’s a combatant.

    If he threw it at our guys, he’s an enemy combatant.

    If he wasn’t wearing the uniform of a regular force of a recognized party involved in the combat, he’s an illegal combatant.

    This is straight out of the Geneva Conventions. It’s not rocket science.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Exactly. "IF" he threw a grenade at one of our guys, THEN he's an enemy combatant.

    Since that IF is, so far as I know, in dispute (and has been since the preliminary report was filed by the soldiers who captured him), then it should be be resolved immediately since IF he did not throw a grenade and is not a combatant then the authorities have no right to hold him.

  • Xty

    though checks are tough checks

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Or perhaps he was a kid that someone coerced into being there.

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