John Geddes

John Geddes

John Geddes writes on politics and policy, with occasional reporting and comment on arts and culture.

The health debate beyond the Danny Williams story

by John Geddes on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:34am - 123 Comments

The story of Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams’ trip to Florida for heart surgery hasn’t exactly elevated the argument about health care. To try to shift to a more useful debate, I suppose it would seem even-handed of me to insert here a diplomatic comment about how both advocates and opponents of universal insurance went overboard. But I think the mistakes mostly came from the right, in the form of hasty claims that Williams’ decision somehow proved the Canadian system is fatally flawed.

As more facts emerged, that gleeful assertion just didn’t hold up. All evidence suggests that excellent heart surgery of  exactly the sort Williams needed was readily available in Canada. The other factors that might have legitimately influenced his choice—the amenities of a U.S. hospital where the rich can pay out-of-pocket, the skills of a particular surgeon recommended to Williams by his own doctor, the proximity of a Miami hospital to the premier’s Florida condo—don’t matter much.

Still, even though I was relieved to see that this entertaining case didn’t serve as a vivid lesson about some failing of a Canadian model that I broadly support, I’m left uneasy about how the argument has gone.  Rather than forcing us really examine the Canada-U.S. contrast, the Williams story has been a grand diversion. At first, it put wind in the sails of conservative opponents of public care; in the end, it buoyed up liberal supporters of universal insurance like me.

There’s much more to be learned by making international comparisons. A good staring point, I think, is the research conducted by the Commonwealth Fund, a private U.S. foundation that backs study into health issues. Broadening beyond the stark Canada-U.S. contrast to include other countries is a good idea. But since the Danny Williams story highlighted only the North American fault line, let’s start with a few points on the two-country comparison.

The Canadian system’s clearest advantage, not surprisingly,  is that it doesn’t leave anybody without insurance. That’s reflected in how often Americans don’t seek care because they’re worried about cost. Here’s a Commonwealth Fund stat that jumps out: in a 2005 survey, 34 per cent of “sicker” American adults reported instances when they had a medical problem but did not visit a doctor, compared to only 7 per cent of Canadians.

On the other hand, our Canadian insistence on equal access has led to sluggishness. A 2009 survey by the fund found that 47 per cent of Canadian primary care physicians reported their patients having difficulty getting specialized diagnostic tests, compared to just 24 per cent in the U.S. In that 2005 study, 36 per cent of sicker adults in Canada reported having to wait six days or longer for a necessary medical appointment, compared to just 23 per cent of Americans. Worse, 57 per cent of Canadians who needed to see a specialist had to wait more than four weeks, compared to 23 per cent of Americans.

(It’s worth noting, though, that these waits were reported before progress on shrinking Canadian waits began in earnest, following the 2004 deal that saw Ottawa inject $5.5 billion over ten years into shortening queues.)

The numbers often back up some of what we might assume about the differences between public and private systems: more fairness in the public, faster service in the private. Widen your view to take in other countries with mostly public systems, however, and that neat picture becomes more complex.

For instance, only 37 per cent of Canada’s primary care physicians use electronic patient records, compared with 46 per cent of U.S. doctors. That U.S. edge must reflect business-style thinking among U.S. docs, right?  Maybe not: in European countries with mainly public systems, the rate of electronic patient record-keeping is far higher still—72 per cent in Germany and 96 per cent in Britain.

Other Commonwealth Fund stats challenge assumptions, widely held even in Canada, about the advantages of free-market motivations in the U.S. system. Consider this: just 30 per cent of U.S. primary care doctors report that’s there’s any financial incentive in their practice for improving the quality of care to their patients; in Canada, it’s 41 per cent.

No statistic taken alone is definitive. But together they point us in the direction of nuance. Canada should be looking for ways to adapt, not revolutionize, health care. If the path from primary physician to specialist is shorter in the U.S., learn from that. If, as I’ve been told recently by Canadian doctors, Britain has done better at cutting wait times within a public system, learn from that. If Europe is broadly better at computerized records, there’s our classroom.

None of these potential lessons, I’m afraid, has zing to match of the saga of a millionaire politician jetting south for surgery. Personal stories are fun to tell. Policy requires charts and graphs.

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  • novagardener

    I'm a boomer who had Stage IV cancer – 12-18 mos. to live. I was operated on within a week or 2 then had chemo as soon as I was fit. Received exceptional care. Had to have 2nd round of chemo a couple of years ago. Can't count the no. of CT scans I've had over the years. Couple of weeks ago had a PET/CT scan and was told I'll be around for a while yet. I was diagnosed 7 years ago.

    Sure, for non-life threatening situations we often have to wait longer for surgeries, but at least we know we won't go bankrupct.

    Agree, we should look at our countries that provide various forms of universal health care and learn from them. My husbands family lives in France. They provide excellent health care, with a small co-pay. Doubt France still does it (fuzzy memory) but citizens used to be able to have a free 'complete' check up every 2 years using latest technology. It was a preventative measure.

    IMO, the US system stinks.

  • Fred – Brandon MB

    This seems like a partisan attempt to let Danny off the hook and move the debate in a new direction.

    I'm still steamed at Williams for a short-sighted selfish decision from someone elected to act in the public's best interests. But with Danny Williams it's always everyone else be damned, I'll do it my way.

  • http://www.editedforbias.com Ed F Bias

    What is missing from this "argument" is the basic understanding that the procedure is available because of the US health care system. Those that do is in Canada were likely trained by US doctors (maybe even this one). Premier Williams wanted the best care possible and when to the US and this doctor by choice. All facts.

    What if the US system did not exist? What if it were socialized and no private payment existed? What would a non-citizen do? Even worse..forgive me my Atlas Shrugged moment…What if Dr. Lamelas had decided that the bureaucracy, paper work and law suits were just not worth trying to advance the science? Where would we all be? That is the risk in the socialization of the US system, the death of advancement and research. I am sure the 8000 surgeries Dr Lamelas performs make him a tidy sum of money… how dare he make money off advancing the entire practice of medicine…Damn him…

    Exerpt from the Mt Sinai Web Site: http://www.miami-cardiology.com/resources.php
    Great advances have been made in minimally invasive valve surgery, and Dr. Joseph Lamelas, chief of cardiac surgery at Mount Sinai, is on the leading edge. Board-certified in cardiac and thoracic surgery, as well as surgical critical care, Dr. Lamelas he pioneered an advanced one-man surgical technique for minimally invasive valve procedures. He teaches this method to surgeons across the United States and around the world.

    Dr. Lamelas consistently has had one of the lowest morbidities and mortalities in Florida and the United States. He has completed almost 8,000 cardiac surgeries and more than 800 minimally invasive procedures, making him South Florida’s most experienced surgeon in his area of expertise.

  • Darden Cavalcade

    All of my adult life, I have been covered by the oldest American single-payer health care program, the one provided members of the Armed Services.

    When I read about Canadian experiences with their health care system, it reminds me of the experiences I had as a professional soldier. Good care was available. There was usually a wait involved. (I went for years without a personal doctor, and then when I had one s/he wasn't always available when I was under the weather.) Naturally, we bitched and moaned about the wait, but we didn't complain about the price.

    I've purchased private health care insurance for the last 20 years even though I didn't need it. I have better health care than President Obama has. With my BlueCross BlueShield health care card and my military retiree ID, I am welcome instantly in any hospital, clinic or practice in the United States, because there is never a doubt that the doctors and staffs will be paid their full fee. The combination of private insurance and CHAMPUS/Tricare (the military system) covers every expense I've ever encountered, and I've encountered some doozies.

  • Ron

    11 days… my father still waiting for his routine (but essential!) heart procedure. Not allowed to leave his ward, otherwise he gets bumped to a lower priority queue.

    So, Danny, how many days were you willing to languish in the hospital before your name came up?

    Oh wait. I forgot. You're too important for the Queue.

    Hypocrite!

    I support our Health Care system… but I also think it's sick and needs improvement. I have no objections to the idea of a baseline health care available to all, with a second tier for those who can pay. We can debate the inequitites forever. The fact remains, however, that those inequities already exist (just for people more rich than upper middle class).

  • hollinm

    With this comment is John Geddes confessing that he is a Liberal. “in the end, it buoyed up liberal supporters of universal insurance like me.”

    Just asking John. Just asking.

    • John Geddes

      Since you ask, I’ve never belonged to a party, but do consider myself liberal. Of the meanings offered in my Canadian Oxford Dictionary, the most germane is 6 (a): “favouring a relaxing of social traditions and a significant role for the state in matters of economics and social justice.” Nobody likes to be too neatly defined, though. In my case, while I do favour a “significant role for the state in matters of economics and social justice,” I tend to cleave to “social traditions,” rather than seeking to see them relaxed.

  • Steve in Texas

    There are of course many Canadians alive today thanks to the Canadian medical system. Speaking from experience, the Canadian medical system kept many of those same canadians alive thanks to the treatments, technologies and procedures developed under the US Free Market system.

    The Canadian generic drug industry exists because of the US free-market drug industry. If there were no US free-market drug industry, then there would be little or nothing for the Canadian generic drug industry to copy.

    Canada has always had a two tier health system, the second tier is called "the US".

    • Joel

      Steve, ugh, no. More money is spent on drug advertising in the US. then in R and D. The reason you have so many discoveries is because you have the most profitable market. That does not mean that drug research would not continue if the market became less profitable. In fact, the increase pressure would probably have a bettering effect. You wouldn't have pointless rebranding and waste money on silly reasearch like how to change this drug just enough to maintain patents. Isreal, in fact, has actually been doing a fan

      Additionaly, how much fuding is being spent to do comparative research in mutliple labs for multiple compnanies? Because no one wants to share any discoveries, just in case they loose their patents, then research is actually slowed down since it must first be replicated before continued.

      There was an interesting video up on yourtube. It was a buisnessmans perspective on the managment of cancer reserach. Old CEO of intel. You should check it out. Free market can be a very inefficient beast.

  • Steve in Texas

    Any Canadian that has ever been treated in the Canadian medical system has benefitted from at least one and probably many, treatments, technologies and procedures developed thanks to the US free-market medical system.

  • Joel

    A public systeme is not a free systeme. It's a cost shifting systeme. You pay taxes your entire life so that when you get that 100 thousand dollar bill for that 6 month icu stay and transplant, you don't have to worry about paying it off.

    If you had multiple choices, then corperations would maximize their profits by limiting access to their premium plan to only the healthiest of the bunch and, as soon as they become un-profitable, would ditch them.

    Now, the public systeme that did not receive a dime frome this person, would have to pick up the slack.

    You could say that if the person still payes their taxes, and then buys a suruplus plan on top of that, then no harm no foul. However, how long before people start saying hey!, why am I paying for someone elses health care?

  • anonymous

    I can't believe this is still an issue. Who cares if he went to the States for medical treatment? It's his body and his right and if he can afford to do it then good for him! Considering the mistakes being made by our doctors and hospitals that are currently in the media I don't blame him one bit! Just give it a rest already …

  • Joel

    You know, the entrance pecentage of applicable students in med schools is less then 10 percent. Meaning 90% of applicants can't get a spot. On the other hand you have the CMA continuing to stimulate even more demand for those spots by creating these we need more doctors campaign. Yet, i've yet to see them actually work with governement to create more spots.

    The problem is deeper then governement. You know, when you're the only cardiac surgeon around, you may get some very interesting pay offers. When there's twenty, a little less.

    Not long ago, sick kids wanted to shut down a section at cheo because they said they where not busy enough… doctors trying to shut down other doctors… it's not just governement

  • Darden Cavalcade

    I know we Americans and Canadians like to compare/contrast/criticize our respective health care systems, but in todays The TimesOnline there is a story about the Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust, a hospital, at which there may have been up to 400 unnecessary patient deaths to do staff neglect of patients. Read it. Our respective health care problems in North America are trivial compared to the suffering revealed in that report.

  • http://www.realist2.squarespace.com doctorfullerton

    The current system as it is currently structured is not fixable. That is clear since despite billions more health care dollars over the past few years, wait times in only a few areas are measured and these have not improved substantially despite this massive funding and what was supposed to be a "fix for a generation".

    The system is seriously flawed because it requires no individual/personal responsibility.

  • wpeters

    This is a classic case of a man who preaches one thing and does another. This is what we get for politicians these days, idiots without a backbone, unable to stand beside what they preach and spout to the people. Shame on the man and he knows it.

  • JoeFrmEdm

    Watch and learn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALorLMnCR-4
    Williams is a hypocrite plan and simple.

  • Joel

    I just wish that hospitals would send patients a copy of the bill paid by their provincial insurance provider. Nothing like a 10 thousand dollar bill to sober someone up.

  • NLerFlo

    The sad thing about all of this is that this story should have been reported as fact and fact alone, with no spin. When one is told by his doctors that he has to have immediate surgery or he could die and one has the ability to get it anywhere because finances don't have to be considered, the last thing on his or her mind would be the politics of the situation, no matter who he or she is. He checked with a leading cardiologist in Canada and was not offered the minimally invasive surgery. Time being of the essence, he consulted another leading cardiologist and the Mt. Sinai option was recommended.

    I guess there are many hearts in the journalism profession and many more in the public in general that no cardiologist can fix.

  • kate

    I think you are missing the point here: as premier Williams has consistently stood behind the Canadian healthcare system as it CURRENTLY exists.

    No no no–this is EXACTLY the problem!!!!!! He does NOTHING to IMPROVE the current system and then when he finds it doesn't meet his "standards"? He bails and goes to the US??? I am NOT OKAY WITH THAT. And neither should you be. Our system IS inadequate in SO many ways and we all know it. That is not to say the US system is any better. I would not be able to access ANY health care in the US so their system means nothing to me. I want BETTER access to care AT HOME. So should you. But when people like this, people in a position to do something about that bail on you when things don't go their way? How is anything ever going to get better?

    Answer: It isn't.

    Wake up people!

  • SisyphusThis

    Probably the best health beat reporter in the country finally weighs in ..

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/willia…

    and makes so much sense.

  • dan

    Folks this is all about choice. Some believe we shouldn't have choice because we are all in the same boat so just wait until big brother tells you it's your turn. Hope you stay health enough during your imposed wait for the good of all….equal access can kill you.

    Danny wasn't politically sound here but it was his choice. He new of Canadian excellence in his particular need….he made a free choice. The government is telling us they know best so wait and don't consider starting up a private clinic that would ease our tax dollars in health care infrastructure but also make more facilities available to the public.

    Equal access at all costs….until its their health we're talking about. All of our political leaders go to the states when they have a health concern….what the hell does that message tell us?

    Take care of your self at all costs…. we only get one kick at this life.

  • Ron Blank Nanaimo

    One: Danny Williams, like everyone, is capable of chosing how and when they get medical treatment. Two: His surgery, south of the border, or in any other country for that matter, positively impacts our wait times. Three: our health care system saves more than $1,000 per bed per day, plus the cost & time of the surgical staff. Four: someone on that list gets medical care sooner. Good on ya' Danny Williams. You get care, we save money, someone else gets treatment earlier. Are there any questions?

  • Nora

    Let's face it, Canada has a socialist health care system and it's working pretty well. Don't knock it, as you can't have it both ways.

    As for Danny Williams, he has a right to go to where ever he wants for an operation, just as you do if you can afford it. Actually it's no one else's business and has nothing to do with selfishness.

    His doctor advised him and he has a condo near my.
    I sometimes think reactions are based on emotion and jealosy, in most everything!

  • Sandra

    Having had cancer I got good care but the problem is getting in to see a specialist. There is usually a six week wait and that is after you have seen your general doctor. Then another 6 week wait to see a surgeon. In my case we had to have another opinion so waited another 6 weeks. After you are in the system appointments are fast . Also went to a private clinic in Montreal and paid for an endoscopy as I was moving and it would take too long to go through the process of finding a doctor in another province and then wait for a specialist. In the province of Manitoba getting an appointment with a specialist can be a year or more wait depending on the situation such as knee surgery. The first appointment is just the referral and then you usually have to wait for a date for surgery. This is a common problem and have had friends go to private clinics for back surgery etc so they did not have to wait. Danny Williams has a right to do as he wishes, politician or not . It's his life and maybe waiting is not always the best thing.

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