Cavemen who walk among us

From their workouts to their parenting styles, these modern men are fanatical in their devotion to Stone Age life

by Katie Engelhart on Friday, February 26, 2010 11:00am - 74 Comments

Cavemen who walk among usWe’re used to seeing the potato as a focal point of conflict and discord, the clichéd casualty of the carbohydrate wars. But hoopla over green beans, that healthiest of vegetables? There are lots of reasons why Loren Cordain wouldn’t touch a green bean. If you ask him, he might talk about how legumes can render a healthy gut “leaky.” Or he might rant about their “anti-nutrient” properties. But it would come down to this: green beans weren’t around tens of thousands of years ago, when our prehistoric ancestors ushered in the Paleolithic era with the first tools made of stone. And so we shouldn’t eat them today.

“It’s not rocket science,” Cordain insists. His book, The Paleo Diet: Lose Weight and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, now a bible to a small but growing subculture, is built around a simple premise: humans evolved over millions of years. Modern agriculture has been around for just 10,000, a blip on the evolutionary timeline. Because of this, humans are healthiest when eating as they did before agriculture came along—in other words, like cavemen.

The diet boils down to meat (lots of it), seafood, eggs, vegetables and fruits: anything you could hunt or forage for in the wild bush, and wouldn’t need to cook. All of which sounds generally inoffensive. “Nobody’s going to argue with fruits and veggies,” says Cordain. But the repertoire excludes so-called super-foods: green beans (and other legumes, like lentils), tomatoes (and other nightshades), dairy products and whole grains. Most oils are also out; today’s cavemen opt for lard.

Real zealots will shy away from the d-word. Their objection: “It’s not a diet; it’s a lifestyle.” It’s true that paleo living increasingly goes beyond food—it’s less dietary prescription than cultural phenomenon. In cities across the globe, groups of men (they are mostly men) are abandoning Stairmasters in favour of sprinting and climbing—caveman exercise. They donate blood to mimic the injury-induced blood loss our early ancestors endured. They mirror a hunter-gatherer schedule: gorging on heaps of meat (to approximate feasts that followed successful hunts) and then following up with long fasts (to mimic stretches of scarcity). The literature, too, is piling up, with books like Neanderthin, The Evolution Diet and The Protein Power Plan.

“I got really radical with it,” says Richard Nikoley of San Jose, Calif. “I thought: animals don’t hunt on full bellies.” The five-foot-ten former U.S. Navy man stumbled on the diet in 2007, when trying to lose weight and lower his blood pressure. (His effort to walk himself into health had failed. He walked an hour a day for six years, but “ended up putting on 30 lb.”) When he finally hit 225 lb., he got serious. He began reading about fat and cholesterol. “I also dabbled in studying primitive diets.” Eventually, he was thinking like a caveman. (He’d say he learned to “Free the Animal,” the name of his blog.) Soon he banished “killer ‘healthy’ whole grains” and “low fat ignorance,” turning to a coconut-oil-heavy diet in which “60 per cent of my calories come from fat.” A few months later, he incorporated intermittent fasting. He even got his two rat terriers going paleo, and claims that, as a result, “they’re just ripped.” Now 60 lb. lighter and with a normal blood pressure, he’s become a paleo proselytizer.

I know something about that kind of evangelism. Though a modern-day woman myself, I was raised, so to speak, by a caveman: my father is a guy who carries T-bone steaks in Ziploc bags for breakfast, who donates blood religiously to prevent iron buildup, and who throws back pro-biotic bacteria cocktails daily in an effort to counter the effects of our hygiene-obsessed world. My dad made the transition eight years ago, after Dr. Atkins blazed the anti-carb trail—but before eating organic and local became trends du jour, laying the groundwork for the paleo diet’s adoption by health nuts, bodybuilders and urban hipsters. Long before “trans fats” was a buzz phrase, I was banned from eating them. And for as long as I can recall, whenever it was sunny, my father would put on shorts and lie outside to “make vitamin D,” another paleo preoccupation.

Today, the ranks of the paleo evangelists are expanding. There is Art De Vany, for instance, who is leading the campaign against “dreadmills.” “I exercise for pleasure,” he tells Maclean’s. The fitness guru exudes confidence: “I’m never sick. And I can do anything I want,” he has been quoted as boasting. As a 72-year-old with eight per cent body fat—he looks a lot younger than his 72 years—he has perhaps earned the right to boast. De Vany believes agricultural life corrupted our physiques: “If you look at the transition from hunting and gathering to agriculture, what do you see? Diminished stature, less muscle.” His antidote is to ditch the treadmill and do “random activities modelled on activities of hunter-gatherers.” For him, that means short, intense sprints and lots of “playing”—frolicking on rocks or doing tugs of war with his grandson. Once a week, he ties a rope to his 6,000-lb. Range Rover and pulls and pushes it up his driveway four or five times. “That’s an exercise I liken to our ancestors carrying logs.”

De Vany’s ideas have found an eager audience, as seen in the growing number of “CrossFit” gyms that use his Evolutionary Fitness model. Craig Patterson, who quit his job as an engineer to open a CrossFit in Vancouver, is a follower, though he’s the first to admit his facility isn’t much of a gym. “It’s a big open box. And there are rings hanging down from the ceiling.” Patterson says they’re forced to segregate themselves: “We get kicked out of most gyms for doing what we do.” At any given time, his 450 pupils can be found hanging from ropes, doing “high velocity” sprints, jumping on boxes, or practising handstand push-ups. They focus on movements you could find “on a children’s playground, a battlefield, in a sport,” he says. “You don’t see kids doing bicep curls on a playground.” Patterson works to inject risk and competition into the exercise routine, through fitness battles; his pupils also compete in the kitchen, through CrossFit’s global paleo-eating challenge.

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  • http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/ Philip123

    There’s an interesting post over at the Health Journal Club that makes the case that people should just not eat anything that wasn’t a food 100 years ago. Gets rid of the aspartame, bleached GM flour, high fructose corn syrup garbage they try to pass off as food these days. If interested you can read on it here,
    http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/

  • Jas

    So what exactly is a vegetarian paleo? Isn't that a contradiction based on the rest of the article.

    • Brad

      vegetarian is a paleo word for "bad hunter" :)

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  • v/mary

    eating paleo helped me lose 15 pounds. i finally lost my pregnancy weight 12 years after the pregnancy! my mother is dying of cancer/diabetes/heart disease, so i was very motivated cuz i saw what was in store for me. my mother has never smoked, drunk alcohol, or eaten lots of junk food. she has just eaten a lot of microwave dinners and a lot of cheap restaurant food. she also eats salads and sandwiches, but the bulk of her diet was processed food. i was like her. now i cook all my own food, i don't spend a lot of time or money, i'm teaching my daughters good eating habits (they help me cook), and i look and feel much better. if you want to start, start cooking your own food number 1. 2. stop eating sugar and 3. stop eating products made of wheat. that's not all of paleo, but those 3 things will get you far.

  • http://freetheanimal.com Richard Nikoley

    Thanks for the good writeup, Katie and for including me. I particularly like how you included a good amount of science and also your personal experiences with your dad. That really set this effort apart in comparison to some of the other recent pieces in various publications like the NYT and Der Spiegel.

  • http://www.eatsleepfast.blogspot.com Ben

    I think Katharine Milton is missing the point. Which one of those diets are best? All of them! I have to refer to Dr. Kurt Harris, its not about replicating what we ate exactly, its about replicating the evolutionary metabolic milieu. The reason all of those diets work is because they are devoid of gluten grains, lots of fructose & too much linoleic acid. Ask yourself what foods are native to where you live, and eat them.

    Nice job on the write up Katie!

  • http://blog.naturallyengineered.com Dave C.

    I've had a good experience with adopting a pretty strict Paleo diet for the last several months. I did so recently as part of a fitness challenge at my CrossFit gym, and was very surprised to lose 7 pounds by accident. I wasn't even trying to lose any body fat, but it basically just "evaporated" after a couple of weeks eating quality meat, vegetables, nuts, and a little fruit. I got a physical exam from my doctor just to keep tabs on everything, and he basically told me I was one of the healthiest people he had in his office in months. The only real thing sticking out was lower vitamin D levels, but that was cured with a supplement rather quickly. That's pretty much the only major hold in my diet, and it's because I sit in a cubicle for 8-9 hours a day. heh

  • http://welcometothegarthshow.blogspot.com/ Garth

    How exciting! The word is spreading like wildfire. Paleo, in all of it's many iterations, is the way to go. Down with processed foods, grains and sugar :)

    • Dubl

      You all need to understand this: doctors are not scientists. They memorize some symptoms and the "standard of care" drug used to treat them and beyond that they can't tell you any more than you can read in the paper. Causation is not their forte. They just repreat what the researchers tell them, and sadly most researchers work for corporations or grant money and thus always have a secondary agenda. This diet works because it is based on FACTS. This IS our evolution, and undeniably more relevant than whatever corporate-sponsored correlative study is in the news this week, that your doctor is regurgitating when he gives you advice. These facts don't play well for Frito-Lay, M&M Mars, and whatever other interests have the FDA and AMA in their back pockets, but thankfully people are doing the diet, seeing the results, and escaping the death sentence being imposed on them by the so-called experts. The only thing I love more than the health and energy this diet affords, is seeing "conventional wisdom" annihilated by the honest truth.

      To Cavemen!

  • http://www.PaleoHack.com Patrik at PaleoHacks

    Hi,

    I am also a Paleo enthusiast and a frequent reader of Richard's fantastic blog. Eating Paleo has largely made my lifelong migraines disappear, not to mention weight loss, better sleep etc etc

    I maintain a site called http://www.PaleoHacks.com that offers crowdsourced question-and-answer about Paleo. I encourage all those interested in Paleo to check it out (also don't forget Free The Animal either).

  • http://paleoprincess.com Lucky

    I've been following a paleo diet for a year and having wonderful results. I feel younger, look younger and more fit, and have energy to spare. I'm even going to start a challenge on Monday, where I have to live off the land – actually hunt and gather my own food – for three months, a bet made with a vegan friend of mine. I follow most of the blogs you've listed and found them to be full of great information and some fascinating stories.

    Lucky
    http://paleoprincess.com

  • http://www.studentoffitness.blogspot.com Bryce Lee

    For my wife and myself, going Paleo meant bettering our health in ways you can't put a price on. My health changes were immediate and obvious. In a matter of months, I went from a pudgy 218 lbs, to a very fit 180 lbs (I'm 6', 25yrs old). What's more, I used to get sick all the time – bronchitis/flu several times each year since I was a boy. I haven't been even remotely sick in over a year and a half! I can't tell you how liberating that is.

    The changes my wife experienced were more subtle, but equally invaluable. Always a petite and thin woman, she suffered from sugar crashes, migraines, and terrible hunger if she ever went more than two hours without eating. This irregular blood sugar issue is completely gone, and she feels great, even if she doesn't have time to eat breakfast or lunch.

    I eat animal as often as possible. This is a shock for most people, but it's how we were meant to be. I avoid modern foods, eat some starch, some fruit, and some nuts, some veggies, and mostly wholesome pastured animal products. I feel amazing always, easily maintain an appearance I am very proud of, and never have to worry about eating things I don't want to (everything I eat is delicious), nor about being hungry (I always eat till I'm good and full). Eat real food. It's literally as simple as that. Twinkies are not real food. Neither are weight watchers microwaveable pizzas, in my opinion.

    I blog about this at http://www.studentoffitness.blogspot.com/. Feel free to drop by to find out more about what is involved in living a paleo lifestyle!

    • djh

      Thanks for mentioning your wife. I'm like her. Not everyone eating Paleo wants to lose weight! BTW, in the Yin/Yang of things, your wife and I, would be considered Yin. Heavier set people are often more Yang. Meat is Yang. Most vegetables are Yin. So to be balanced, the Yang person would need to eat more veggies and the Yin person would do well with some Yang meat. I used to be a vegetarian, but now eat meat (free-range, grass fed) and I do feel better. But I absolutely have to keep away from gluten grains and sugar – even most fruit.

  • Rob Lansdell

    When I was seventeen years old I hated myself. I was 250 lbs, covered in acne, and weaker than anyone in my class. I strove to educate myself after a particularly difficult day at school. I learned to cut out junk food and in the next couple of years I saw my weight drop down to 195 lbs.
    I frustratingly stayed at 195 for 2 years until I stumbled upon the paleo diet after becoming interested in MovNat and Erwan Le Corre. I also increased my amount of play time by running around with the dog and climbing trees. After 2 years of a weight plateau, I've dropped down to 180 lbs in less than 2 months. I can see abdominal muscles that had always been covered by a layer of fat and my energy has completely sky rocketed.

    It is literally the best decision Ive ever made in regards to my fitness and health. Both of my parents are diabetics, along with many of my aunts and uncles. I now have no fear of becoming diabetic and can't wait to start my amature MMA career.

    Thank you Erwan Le Corre, Dr. Cordain, Richard Nikoley, Mark Sissoon, John Durant, and Art De Vaney. You've all brought me more than I could have asked for and I am deeply appreciative.

  • http://www.organicden.com Organic Gabe

    The paleo diet does have health benefits besides the weight loss.
    I have had high blood pressure for 10 years and now (after only 3 months following the paelo diet) my blood pressure dropped to a point where on half the medication I have a BP around 120/72.
    It looks like soon I will be hypertensive-medication free.

    Also, I used to have heartburns – well they are a thing of the past.
    I used to take some acid-reducers – Zantac, but there is no need for them any longer.

    I started being treated for gingivitis and periodontal disease 2 years ago. Last week when I went for a cleanup, the dental hygienist was surprised at how little new deposits (plaque) there were on my teeth.
    It looks like paleo is the best "home treatment" for this, as well.

    Eating real food – organic is even better – is the way to go!

  • hosertohoosier

    So uh… how long did the average caveman live?

    • babblefrog

      After passing infant mortality? Probably as long as we do.

    • http://freetheanimal.com Richard Nikoley

      hosertohoosier:

      Average caveman lived about 30 years. It's the same as that the average person wearing diapers is about 35 years.

    • Aaron

      They lived a long life (80+) if they survived infancy, infectious disease and hunting accidents.

      The article suggests that we adopt the "good" parts of a paleo lifestyle – not abandoning all aspects of modern society…jackass

  • Gary

    The average life expectancy of the cave man was about 16 years

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Canuckguy Canuckguy

      The 'average' life expectancy is misleading. If one takes out the mortality rate of infants which, no doubt, was high for obvious reasons, it would give a more realistic age. From what I recall, it seems the average life expectancy of the so-called cave man would approach 40 when not including infant death. Once the child survived past his 5th birthday, it was smoother sailing. Also to consider that death of the mother during child birth was also a significant factor in lowering life expectancy. So if a male child survived his childhood, avoided sabre tooth tigers and did not get his head bashed in by enemy tribes, he would perhaps make it to a grand old age of 60+

      • jon w

        ha ha, and when I spend an hour a day driving 60 miles an hour, my average speed for the day is 2.5 mph. unless data points are normally distributed (which is almost never) the average tells you absolutely nothing relevant.

    • Robert

      I see that every comment section must have its quota of idiots. Oh well …

  • jon w

    I’m a former Army guy, a few years ago at 32 my weight was 20% over “ideal” and at 200 lb I learned the truth: modern “food” is poison. eliminated wheat, sugar and vegetable oils and replaced the empty calories with lots of animal fat (about 70% of total calories). the result? I am stronger and faster than I was as a 25 year old paratrooper, and for the past two years have maintained the same 180lb weight I was at 17 years old. deliberate exercise with heavy weights maybe once a week, but I have boundless energy to climb, jump and run up stairs at every opportunity. I dont do “cardio” but last week joined my sister in a 9 mile run, and ran it barefoot without worrying about whether I was prepared.

    the fact is that this works, people. details and labels like paleo, whole food and whatever else are all secondary. It’s such a tragedy that Americans expect and allow their health to go downhill at 30, 40, 50 years old, when the solution is so easy.

  • http://www.thepaleodietsite.com Don Matesz

    Katie,

    Nice article. One of the best I've seen on us modern foragers.

    Regarding paleo life expectancy, see my post on the same: http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/search/label/Paleol…

  • Aaron

    There are lots of ways to adopt "paleo principles" into your lifestyle. Take what works for you and ignore the rest.

    http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/01/29/what-kind-o…

    Thanks for writing an objective piece on the paleo lifestyle.

  • Dude

    Consistently removing crap (donuts, soda, etc.) from your diet is the reason for success… not the adoption of any one particular diet, I mean lifestyle.

    • pfw

      Articles like this are good and bad – they point out the paleo principle but then usually fail to make the obvious point you just did.

      Paleo is not about doing something or living some way. It’s about NOT doing something – eating crap food. When you boil it down, paleo is a simple food selection heuristic that works by excluding most of the stuff that makes us unhealthy. And it works, just like anything that excludes crap food from your diet.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

      Clearly. All this nonsense about 'paleo' eating is ridiculous. Removing grains and dairy isn't part of the answer. Neither is removing 'vegetable oils' as someone mentioned. Olive oils have been proven to be very healthy, so have whole grains.

      Eat fresh food, avoid processed foods, stay active. It's simple.

  • http://twitter.com/meganannaw @meganannaw

    The real test is how you feel – most people feel so much better on a paleo lifestyle….I know I do. I'm not 100% strict, but I usually regret eating sugar/dairy/grains. The key is figuring out what works for you – adopting some paleolithic principles is better than nothing. Keep in mind that it does take time for your body, mind and habits to adapt.

  • Gil

    I too disagree with the article – it's one thing to say people should eat better and avoid processed rubbish, it another to say humans are getter shorter and unhealthier. Truth is people are getting taller and living longer (if life expectancy was going downwards then there be no 'ageing population problem'). Nowadays a man being 6 feet is average – that's almost a foot taller than the average Western male a century. Futhermore a man being six feet tall isn't really that tall at all – it's easy to find men who are more in the 6'3' – 6'6' range. Oh yeah, plenty of women are 6 feet tall too and they're not considered 'giants' either.

    • WW Rutland

      The avarage British soldier in the 1780s was 5'4", the American rebel was 5'7", the Frenchman was 5'3", Napoleon 5'2". The problem is the term average, George Washington was 6'2" and most of the officers in all armies were above the average. Food played a big part in the smaller size of European soldiers at the time.
      At 6'2" I'm taller than most people I know, at times I look around and see very few men above 6 feet. I think I read 5'10' is considered average in the US, with Holland being the tallest country now and orientals still being shorter, but I've seen many over 6 feet and most of them were of mixed heritage with western soldiers. With better medical and food at a young age people tend to be taller than in the past all over the world. WWR http://wwrutland.wordpress.com

    • Dubl

      You are confused but make a relevant point. People are getting taller. Girls are also developing breasts at 8 years old too. We have rampant influenza year after year. And life expectancy, while much better than it was a century ago, is on the decline. But the reasons are the same: Growth hormones and antibiotics. Your meat is full of them as are your vegetables that are fertilized with the excrement of your meat animals. While it may sound extreme, should you choose to try it, you'll find that the paleo diet is exactly as advertized. In short it will make you feel more alive than you've ever felt. However it cannot be ignored that unless it is followed with organic meats and vegetables, you will be increasing your intake of the growth hormones and antibiotics given to "factory" livestock, which can negatively impact your health.
      Your point is well taken, and valid, but not reason enough to negate the basic premise that primitive eating is far superior to the average developed-world diet. Try it for ONE WEEK and you will swear by it for eternity.

  • boo

    Re the shorter and unhealthier argument, one of the ways anthropologists can determine when a society moves from hunter-gatherer to agricultural is by looking at skeletons. Suddenly the teeth go bad, the posture gets worse and people get shorter. So there is evidence behind the claim.
    Personally, after 18 months of semi-paleo, I have lost 60 lbs, my gout and allergies have disappeared and I haven't had a cold in the last 12 months. Also, fatigue has disappeared. There is definitely something to this.

    • Jim

      yeah, it's called the placebo/idiot effect. your argument failed when you claimed, erroneiously that "one of the ways anthropologists can determine when a society moves from hunter-gatherer to agricultural is by looking at skeletons. Suddenly the teeth go bad, the posture gets worse and people get shorter."

      all three "points" are false. You probably lost weight and feel better due to eating less, exercising, reducing calories, and replacing empty calorie meals with nutritionally dense calories. All of this can be done by limiting not fat or carbs or getting rid of legumes or severely limiting any particular part of your diet but rather reducing overall calorie intake and avoiding empty calories.

  • cctyker

    This is the first article I've ever read about eating as a "caveman". I found it interesting. It fits in with Peter Gray's blog "Freedom to Learn", which is not about eating, but about how hunter-gathers raised their kids compared to how we do now and how the compulsory schools hurt our children. In the December 2009 issue of National Geographic there was a write up about the Hadza band of hunter-gathers. What they eat and how they hunt was described in the magazine. For me this article adds more knowledge and understanding of who we really are.

  • scotthengineer

    This "lifestyle" is retarded and devoid of any nutritional sense. If you want to be healthy and/or lose weight, eat a nutritionally dense diet. There is no need to fast. Today we have science that can explain the complex chemical reactions that take place inside our body when we eat and eating nutritiously is what your body wants. Your body is like a machine, it needs energy to keep moving, feeding this machine nutrients keeps your body efficient. Being healthy is about eating nutrients not like caveman did thousands of years ago, we have evolved.

    • Dubl

      Every word of your post is uninformed, and clearly is stuff you editorialized without any source for your assertions. What do you call "nutritionally dense" when it changes week to week or when foods universally agreed to be "good" are full of hormones, antibiotics, preservatives or pesticides? And if we have the "science" where is it and what is it doing for us when Obesity is up, Diabetes is up, cancer is up and life expectancy is declining? It is well documented from studying avalance and other disaster survivors that your body runs more efficiently when it is starved, which has led to the international Calorie Restriction Society. It is also well documented that our food today doesn't have the level of nutrients that the same food had in caveman days. Anything else you want to be wrong about?
      Please do not present your inane view of the world as scientific truth. Its so obvious that its the furthest thing from it…

  • dudeinhammock

    While I generally sympathize with this approach, I find it interesting that nobody seems to be eating a lot of insects and rodents–two of the food sources most prevalent in most h/g diets. High nutrition, low fat, easily accessed (very cheap). What gives, guys?

    • bayou

      Uh, shrimp, lobster, crab… that takes care of your insects, you purist little devil. And if you want rodents, feel free to come to my place and shoot some of the tree rats.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/moonvest moonvest

    This sounds like a typical high protein, low carb diet dressed up with some Michael Pollan-esque ideas about cutting out the processed garbage that too many of us rely on to get through the day. I'm a big fan of Pollan's theories on sensible eating, but anything that severely limits your bread and pasta intake is never going to fly higher than a trendy fad diet.

    • djh

      Until the USA tests every child (as they do in Italy where the problem is widespread ) for gluten-intolerance, then feeding them wheat bread and pasta could be causing unseen damage to their intestines and eventually lead to cancer. But of course, the govt. will not test for gluten-intolerance any more than it will test cows for mad cow disease – because protecting the financial interests of certain groups is more important than the welfare of the American people. There is no diet perfect for everyone. Each body is unique and it is up to each of us to learn what suits us best and ignore what doesn't.

      • http://www.hawkinslawgroup.com Camila

        Please keep on posting such quality articles as this is a rare thing to find these days. I am always searching online for articles that can help me. This have so many valuable things to learn. Thank you.

    • Dubl

      Pasta is disgusting. "Hey lets take some dried up glue and douse it in tomato sauce and call it haute cuisine".

      Who eats pasta plain? Nobody. What do they do? Dress it up with meat and cheese and vegetables, the very thing this diet calls for. I'm fine without the dried up glue. Apparently many others are too. If you never matured past eating Chef Boyardee Ravioli, that's OK, but don't act like you have some refined perspective on taste that holds pasta in high esteem. Its filler food at best. Empty calories with little nutritional value. Sorry if it shatters your world view, but many many of us are fine without it.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/moonvest moonvest

        I'm sorry, but what part of my comment personally offended you? I'm sure there are "many many" people who are fine without carbs. But I am quite certain that many many more people have tried a life without lasagna and found it wanting. If you doubt me, you should look up some statistics about the popularity of low-carb diets 10 years ago compared to their popularity now.

        This diet sounds eminently sellable, especially to men. I can easily see its popularity skyrocketing, but make no mistake: this isn't a revolution; it's a fad.

        • Soren M

          This diet is not "low carb" as you can eat all the fruit and vegetables you want.

    • http://www.thewhatbox.com psychic

      I agree. High carb diets are here to stay. Who in their right mind wants to give up bread and pasta!

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