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Er, never mind

by Aaron Wherry on Friday, March 5, 2010 4:08pm - 48 Comments

Don Martin says you can stop worrying about the national anthem. Or, put another way, Don Martin says the government would prefer you stop worrying about what it might want to do to the national anthem.

After facing a blitzkrieg of backlash to a minor Throne Speech afterthought, which proposed a single line change to eliminate a gender reference in the anthem’s lyrics, a senior cabinet minister confides the notion will be quickly and quietly dusty-shelved, never to see the light of actual committee study … influential  officials are reassuring Conservative MPs that the kerfuffle will be allowed to fade away — and never to return to the agenda, even as a suggestion for further study.

And now the Prime Minister’s Office officially calls the whole thing off. The time expired between the Governor General committing this promise to the record and the arrival of this note from Mr. Harper’s press secretary would seem to be approximately 49 hours in total.

And now Senator Nancy Ruth, with whom this idea is said to have originated, says that ”if there’s been such backlash, then this is another example, for me, of hatred against women.”

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    I'm going to try my best to forget that this ever happened.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

      Amen bro, amen.

      If they're looking for ways to completely screw up all the feel-good patriotic afterglow from the Olympics, this had to be close to the top of the list.

    • Jan

      I'm going to mutter 'sexist pigs' everytime I sing it now (kidding). I don't know how it passed the groan test when it was brought up. How Harper can go from being anti-pay equity to pc'ing the anthem is what is amazing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john g

    The cynic in me wonders if that entire topic was just thrown in there as a distraction.

    • Jan

      It worked for half a day.

    • Dee

      Gee, ya think?

    • Chuck Vs. 2010

      Look at the razor thin majority in the senate, then looked at who proposed this….

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

      Assuming it is intentional, is it a mark of genius or another bungle?
      I have to think that the public is going to get tired of being played for suckers (see prorogation).

      • Chuck Vs. 2010

        It has nothing to do with the PM being a genius, just the numbers in the senate…

    • W.B.

      It kept the chattering hordes in Gallery going on with drivel and distracted for the important 24hours between Throne Speech and Budget. Government got to focus the spin on the budget, which you can see from Andrews little graph has been spectacularly successful.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    He does seem to outmaneuver himself sometimes.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

      Nancy Ruth needs to retire, ASAP!

      • catherine

        I think Harper had ultimate responsible for the content of the Throne Speech. Lots of silly ideas float around, but a competent Prime Minister should show some modest amount of judgement in what he commits to in a Throne Speech. No one would be talking about this if Harper had not decided to put it in the Throne Speech.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

          I am not talking about the Throne Speech, I am talking about the whining she did afterwords, c'mon!
          I hardly believe this shows hatred to women, she is crazy!

  • wilson

    Gee, i guess Canadians are sick and tired of years of politically correct nonsense………and the issue soaked up at least half the ink that was ear marked by the media for 'we prorogued for this?'
    ha

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

      Given time to travel through the Canadian digestive system, it will actually compound the we prorogued for this outrage – Wouldn't that take the shine off the GeNiUs mantle

  • wilson

    ps
    i was expecting the progressives to jump all over taking 'God' out of the anthem while we were at it, but alas, they bit their tongues.

    • Jan

      It was too stupud for anyone to take the bait. There was some harumphing from the BT crowd.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nich Nich

      The atheist in me just couldn't muster a complaint… many were probably like myself, counting down the backtrack.

      If you try to invoke shameless nationalism, you best try and leave the symbols alone…

  • wellwell

    The anthem issue was a distraction, but it wasn't a move toward political correctness. The archaic proposed language, which was tried for a couple years and then dropped a century ago because it was so cumbersome, was supposed to be a stick in the eye of modernity – something that David Warren could have concocted. More proof that conservatism is synonymous with irrational resentment of modernity.

  • Dee

    Oh well, it partially stopped people (mostly media and pundits) from talking about the Conservatives' incompetence and amateurishness for a couple of days. Well done, Cons!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/tobyornotoby tobyornotoby

      I thought that's what we discussing for the last 49 hours. Oh you mean the other incompetence!

      • Dee

        It all basically comes down to incompetence.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    And now Senator Nancy Ruth, with whom this idea is said to have originated, says that ”if there’s been such backlash, then this is another example, for me, of hatred against women.”

    well then clearly the thing to do is back down on the commitment!

    • true north

      And this person holds a Senators seat ?? I`m afraid …….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    And now Senator Nancy Ruth, with whom this idea is said to have originated, says that ”if there’s been such backlash, then this is another example, for me, of hatred against women.”

    This lady is a bone fide fruitcake.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

      This is another example, for me, of hatred against stupid ideas.

    • Jan

      But not a good time to alienate one of their Senators if they want to try and control the Senate.

  • biff

    When we ask how a company is performing, we consider how it's doing relative to its competitors and others in the industry.

    When we look to our athletes they perform relative to others. "Gold" means you're better than the rest.

    When we look to how Canada's economy is performing….

    well this is where basic notions of comparitors – perhaps the most critical guages of success is stricken from the public record,

    by a leftist media desperate to put a "fail" on our economy.

    Canada "owns the podium" in terms of economic stability and success in this worldwide economic downturn – and in many respects by a wide margin.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    I nominate this as the comment most irrelevant to the discussion taking place on the thread.

    • true north

      Seconded !!

      • Sigh

        Motion carried.

  • Tubbs

    It wasn't a Throne speech afterthought. They had a 5980 word Speech from the Throne to which the media reaction would be "They prorogued to retool but there's nothing new."

    This was that wasn't the story because they added 20 words about possibly, maybe considering changing the anthem. But there was never any real intention of changing the anthem.

    How many times have you ever seen Conservative MPs openly questioning the government's course of action? There were quite a few this time because it was all orchestrated.

  • Anon001

    It's a good thing that Harper's greatest strength is his managerial skill, because imagine the trouble we'd be in if he was not!

  • http://my.opera.com/ZakMichigan/blog/ Jean Chicoine

    And now Senator Nancy Ruth, with whom this idea is said to have originated, says that ”if there’s been such backlash, then this is another example, for me, of hatred against women.”

    Is that so, he? What a goonette! To paraphrase a saying: hatred is in the eyes of the beholder.

    • Jan

      She should file a complaint with Helena Geurgis. She'd probably get a sympathetic ear at the moment.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

        Lol, you are right!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/doug_rogers doug_rogers

    So this was either a submission of great idiocy, or the master move of a far sighted chess master. Everyone feel manipulated yet?

  • guest

    "[Another] Promise Made, [Another] Promise Broken!"

    Budget Day:
    See, we care about women's concerns (we really do)…that's what you care about, right? politically correct language? a free gesture instead of daycare or equal access to stimulus funds, or other more meaningful matters. Oh and don't think about that Guergis matter.

    Two days later:
    Oh, but look, CANADA doesn't care about women's concerns…so we needn't either.

    • McC

      that's kinda how I read this thing too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/reac…

    interesting. not surprised the base hates it. but they (the party) still seems to be all over the map on this.

    the message of the announcement was this was important for reasons of enhancing gender equality. now the base reportedly reacts and we have elements of the party like Stocky saying it is not necessary in accordance with that reaction. … See moreand you also have other elements of the party like Senator Nancy Ruth, who apparently initiated the idea saying that ”if there’s been such backlash, then this is another example, for me, of hatred against women.”

    So, Stocky, taking cues from the base, is suggesting the party's original commitment to this 'important' action is no longer necessary and Ruth is essentially implicitly calling that same base knuckle-dragging misogynists. meanwhile, the pool of women voters that the party is trying – so far unsuccessfully – to make major inroads with, is left alienated by the climbing down from the commitment if they actually supported it and/or affirmed in their existent view that the party is manipulative and opportunistic and not trustworthy. wow.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Geiseric Geiseric

    gender schmender

    "dost" is a lot of work.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tdotlib tdotlib

    My thoughts run along the lines of Harper tossing this out there expecting a backlash in order to be able to 'react to the will of the people' quickly. Maybe trying to change the perception that they don't listen to their constituents so they can play it back to us in the next election: "See, we listen to all of you!"

    Of course, I may be giving the CPoC too much credit.

  • Or…
  • Two Hats

    OK, so now we have a puzzle: what important but subtle detail in the speech was the anthem thing a smokescreen for?
    Because I'm beginning to think our PM is less a chessmaster than a magician-in-training.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

    Oh, maybe the coming removal of environmental assessments for oil and mineral fields in the arctic? That's just a guess…

  • guest

    but is it a trick, or an illusion?

  • Bonnie N

    Actually, Prentice stepped down on that today on PnP except for his precious (in my most Gollum voice] MacKenzie pipeline. I wonder how much information was actually forwarded to the Ministers before the budget.

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