Politics of fear

ANDREW COYNE: No wonder nothing gets done in Ottawa. Everyone is scared.

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, March 15, 2010 6:00am - 187 Comments
Politics of fear

Photograph by Chris Wattie/Reuters

This Parliament began, a little more than a year ago, with a short-lived attempt at forming a coalition government. In its place has emerged something much more enduring: a coalition non-government. The government pretends to govern, and the opposition pretends to oppose it, and both sides seem quite content with their appointed roles. Because everyone’s too afraid to do anything else. Fear is the order of the day in today’s Parliament, and it has paralyzed the place.

I had thought, and written, that the return of Parliament, after all the controversy over prorogation, would see “a ferocious battle of narratives” between a government determined to use the dual occasion of the Throne Speech and budget to shift the agenda on to its preferred ground of the economy, and an opposition equally determined to keep the heat on the government over its handling of the Afghan detainees file, and its refusal to hand over the documents Parliament had demanded in this regard.

Boy, was I wrong. When the proposal to change the wording of O Canada first excited controversy, conspiracy theorists saw it as an attempt to distract public attention from the rest of the government’s agenda. There are several flaws with this theory, but chief among them is the notion that there exists some sort of “agenda” to be distracted from. It’s difficult to say, of course: Throne Speeches are notoriously enigmatic documents. But what had appeared at first blush to be signs of a revival of economic conservatism has not survived closer scrutiny.

The speech’s most startling departure, a proposal to liberalize foreign investment in “key sectors” including, but not limited to, telecommunications, now appears to mean not very much: far from the sweeping away of Canada’s remaining investment barriers that the speech seemed to promise, by the next day’s budget this had been reduced to one comparatively minor sector (satellites), plus a vague nod toward the 2008 report of the federal competition policy review panel, whose proposals were watery enough to begin with.

The cold light of budget day was equally unkind to the Throne Speech’s other major policy thrust: a freeze on departmental operating budgets. Not only was there rather less to the freeze than it first seemed—it applies for two years only, and holds spending only to the lofty base established in fiscal 2011, that is, at the very height of the stimulus frenzy—but, far from signalling a broader program of restraint, it appears to be the extent of it.

For all the “austerity” chatter in the national media, it remains the case that spending, already at an all-time record high, will be $11 billion higher in the next fiscal year than the last, and $12 billion higher than forecast in last year’s budget; that the budget’s spending projection for the next five years is essentially identical to that set out in last September’s fiscal update; and that, in fiscal 2015, nine years after the Tories took office (assuming they are still there), spending would still be higher than it was under the Liberals, by any measure.

A distraction from the government’s agenda? As far as I can tell, the anthem was the agenda. Or at any rate: if you want to know why Stephen Harper now considers $54-billion deficits the benchmark of fiscal responsibility, it helps to know that he is taking policy advice from the likes of Sen. Nancy Ruth. It was Sen. Ruth who prevailed upon the Prime Minister to alter “in all thy sons” to “thou dost in us” (her reaction to the proposal’s demise: “this is another example, for me, of hatred against women”). But it was the Prime Minister who thought this a capital idea. One supposes he is not so far gone as actually to have believed in it. It was just another clever tactical manoeuvre, from a Prime Minister for whom tactical manoeuvres have become a substitute for forward movement.

Talk to Conservative backbenchers, at least among the shrinking numbers of conservatives in the party, and you find a glum lot, embarrassed at what their government has become: the drift, the cynicism, the total absence of ambition or purpose. So why don’t they do something about it? For the same reason that the Prime Minister declines to offer an agenda: fear. The Prime Minister is afraid the public does not share his views, and so refuses to share his views with the public. His MPs are afraid of the Prime Minister, and so shrink from offering any firmer resistance to his right. Unwilling to prod him to do more, they make it easy for him to do nothing.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LaxAtlDfwYow LaxAtlDfwYow

    The phenomenon may manifest as fear, but at it's core, is this not just a more extreme parliament-wide plague of politicians acting in their own, best, short-term interests to the exclusion of virtually all else?

    • captcold

      while it's a factual statement to say that politicians are self-interested cowards, the larger issue is that the political parties and the backroom fixers who are at the bottom of the swamp.

      Removing political parties from the public teat is the first step to liberation from our kleptocracy.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

    Excellent piece Coyne. This nonsense from both the Tories and the Libs is disheartening to say the least…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

      The key issue here is groupthink. There are MPs on all sides who are simply conforming, thereby contributing to poor decision-making or lack thereof. Yes, its about fear and intimidation, but some people have to self-empower and speak their views here to help our country move forward on this. Come on your people, take a risk for us!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

        Do they have a choice?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

          I agree they may not have a choice during QP Claudia; but during their caucus' or other times they may have time for discussion, they should speak their mind.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

            I agree with that!

  • knick

    This is all well and good, but as long as Canadians continue to insist that they do not want an election and will 'punish' the party that forces one, the politicians on all sides are left to do the best they can with what they have. It's one of those messy quirks of democracy – the power ultimately does rest with the people. When almost half of eligible voters stay home on voting day, the only reasonable conclusion must be that they're content with things staying the way they are now.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      but knick, who says the Canadian public are actually insist anything or would actually punish anybody if there was an actual election?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

        I would be very surprised if the desire to punish the party that causes an election actually swings any more than just a few votes either way. It's one of those things that is easy to say when focusing on just that question, but once at the polling station and then in the voting booth it is hard for me to believe that other factors won't overwhelm that desire.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

          I don't think is about punishing a party. I think, that most Canadians don't believe is an alternative out there and we will have the same result, Harper as PM and perhaps a majority (doesn't look like that will be the case) but we all know Ignatieff is not going to be elected, look at his personal numbers, they suck!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          exactly Phil. and further, i think there is a big difference in asking Canadians if they want an election in a poll and what happens when a party/parties actually forces one and makes the actual case as to why they did so i think the whole punish parties at the polls thing is an old saw whose merits are dubious at best.

          • knick

            I share your skepticism about the validity of polling results, but there's more than one way for voters to punish a party that forces an election – staying home on voting day is one of them. The party that forces an election that fails to get more than about half of eligible voters to show up on voting day and produces the same situation would, I think, lose some credibility.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

            The 'stay at home which amounts to punishment' theory seems very plausible to me..I like it; not quite an explicit punishment, but close.

            Just thinking a bit more about voter turnout and punishing parties by staying at home and so on…..I would be interested to see some numbers. Specifically, how many swing voters are there, really? And I'm thinking of two types of swing voters: those who may or may not cast a ballot at all, and then those who routinely move their vote from one party to the other. I suppose that there be some overlap between those two swing groups.

            Mostly just interested……

      • knick

        I can only base my comment on what polls have shown, but I'm guessing that the absence of any kind of public agitation for an election, as there was to oppose prorogation, would seem to confirm.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          i guess what i am suggesting is more that people might say any one of a number of things in a poll, but i don't that those things necessarily actually are followed through when the reality materializes (ie an election is called).

          so for instance, polling may well indicate that Canadians do not want an election now on the issues of contempt for parliament and detainees, but if the opposition moved Lee's motion forward and the PM interpreted it as a matter of confidence, I don't beleive they would actually straightaway punish the opposition in any manner as conventional wisdom would suggest. I do believe that the public would listen to all parties (more or less on the issue) and if a coherent, convincing case was put forward as to why they did what they did citizens would be willing to consider. in short, Canadians views are not that stagnant from poll to election and there are too many issues and other intervening variables.

  • bundca

    Our politicians are as capable and praiseworthy as the media that interprets. Lies, and liars abound.

    Media and politicians deserve each other.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/c_9 c_9

      So we fix it. Vote for people who act differently, and tell them so. Buy magazines and papers that act differently, and tell them so. And tell your friends and family. If things improve, we win. If they don't, we deserve it too.

      *sigh*

      • Gary

        "Buy magazines and papers that act differently"

        Here in Canada???? Surely you jest!
        The NP excluded, they print the same toilet paper that you read from Coyne!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

      And we deserve both of them.

  • Bill Simpson

    I am in two minds on this: the only thing worse than an inactive government may be an active one. After all, do you really want the government legislating away like crazy, dreaming up new ways to entangle our lives and spend our money? I would be happier if they would spend less and do less, but this is not politically acceptable. Harper may have settled for not acting as a way to relatively reduce the impact of government in our lives.

  • orval

    What utter nonsense. Harper is succeeding not because everyone is "scared" (which says something about the durability of this "scary Harper" meme) but because he is providing the exact kind of Government Canadians want.

    He is the middle class manager of a middle class country. Home reno tax credit, pension-income splitting, GST cuts, interest in hockey, these are signs that he understands the middle class. He understands "it's the economy, stupid", and "jobs, jobs, jobs" that gets you elected or unelected.

    Detainees and prorogation "scandals" are trifles. Just because our host continues to want to ride the "Parliament will fight!" horse doesn't mean we all want to go along with him. People outside Ottawa simply do not care about Parliamentary privilege, or prorogation. They are very proud of our military, and will be happy when Canada leaves Afghanistan in 2011. If anyone accuses our troops of war crimes, they better have proof.

    In short Harper is succeeding for the same reasons Chretien succeeded: an intuitive grasp of what Canadians want, think and feel (what some in the media call "political instincts"); and excellent political self-discipline and leadership. The very qualities both Dion and Ignatieff lack.

    • ex canuck

      Orval, you are right on the money. Now if Mr Harper can get his majority, Canadians can revert to that wonderfully benign state that PM King created and ran oh so long ago, wherein he commented at the end of his only real parliamentary row, "Conscription if necessary, but not necessarily conscription". Now that was good Canadian politics. Surely, if Mr Harper has a role model, it is PM King.

      • orval

        The CPC already has a majority government in ROC = CPC 134; Opposition parties 99 (Lib 63, NDP 36).

        The key to the future of Federal politics is therefore Quebec, i.e., to whom the Bloc voters go if and when BQ fades.

        • ex canuck

          Toujours le Quebec. l'Histoire de mon pays.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/macGen macGen

            what do you expect from Jesuit priests – aka: the Soldiers of God. Their influence is profound

        • Riley Robertson

          Lots of frustrated Conservatives would love to see Quebec leave, but that's because they don't seem to be able to digest the fact that Quebec represents a quarter of the population, existed BEFORE the ROC (rest of Canada, so called) and is the heart of most of what passes for creative in this country. Leaders in pharmaceuticals, animation, new media and video game development, high-speed rail (which this country is too backward to even use itself), aerospace, live performance, etc. What Napolean said about England applies to the (so-called) ROC … it's a "nation of shopkeepers". No ideas, no vision. Just beer and popcorn.

          • ex canuck

            My comment in French was not anti-Quebec. It is a fact of political life in Canada that there is one and only one power block – Quebec.

          • Observant

            The real traitors to a united Canada are those Montreal and West Island voters who always vote Liberal as their "federalist" vote. What their vote really represents is a proxy vote supporting the Quebec-only BQ separatists. Those who vote Liberal/NDP in Quebec are denying a uniting Conservative majority gov't that would neuter the BQ separatists in the Canadian HoCs.

            Those who continue to vote Liberal in Quebec and claiming it's a "federalist" vote are liars and traitors to a united Canada.

          • kcm

            That's the way to win them over, call them traitors. I'm sure Parazeau would second your oinion. Did you have a hand in the Tories last Quebeec campaign by any chance?

          • Observant

            What do you want me to tell them when they are stuck in their Liberal mire, and stab the RoC in the back with their support of a separated Quebec .. They are crypto-separatists by voting Liberal when the RoC elects 133 CPC MPs out of an available 233 ridings or a 57% MAJORITY …!!!!

            If Montreal voters were truly "federalist", they would be voting Conservative rather than clinging to their Adscam-tainted Liberal MPs. They are truly "traitors" to a united Canada. So obvious..!!!

          • kcm

            Perhaps their idea of a united Canada isn't the same as yours. Judging by your self righteous tone i can't say i blame them. But take your ideas to Montreal by all means, bon chance!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

            No, the real traitors to a united Canada are those Alberta and Saskatchewan voters who always vote Conservative as their "federalist" vote. What their vote really represents is a proxy vote supporting the Quebec-only BQ separatists. Those who vote Conservative in Alberta are denying a uniting Liberal majority gov't that would neuter the BQ separatists in the Canadian HoCs.

            Those who continue to vote Conservative in Alberta and claiming it's a "federalist" vote are liars and traitors to a united Canada.

            Hey wow! Look, the logic is exactly the same — that is, completely without merit.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

            Thanks for stating what I would have stated in your absence.
            Sometimes, I wish I knew where the stash of Kool-aid is kept…..

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/macGen macGen

            and miners; just wait to see what happens with Vale-Inco strike

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/c_9 c_9

        You forgot the word "as" between "PM" and "King".

    • kcm

      The irony being of course that many conservatives [chief among them Harper] were appalled at Chretien's formulae of you can't go wrong if you don't do anything. I'm not sure i buy any of this. chretien did get some worthwhile things done [particularly from a liberal perspective, ie., responsibility to protect] And Harper is quietly srabbling away in the corners attempting to change the country in ways that many do, and i suspect even more don't like.

    • illbethejudge

      Orval, you are totally delusional.
      Harper is the most polarizing character I've ever seen. If Harper is trying to sell his image on "it's the economy, stupid", well he has a tough job. He is running the largest spending government in the history of Canada, which was running headlong into a deficit long before the global recession. He is not acting like a fiscal conservative and his "base" is weakening because of it. Those on the centre and left can't stand the guy for reasons too lengthy to post here.
      The only reason Harper is suceeding, if you consider 32 per cent support, success, is because the Liberal Opposition can't seem to get their act together and the Greens/NDP split the vote on the centre left enough to ensure anything but a very strong Liberal Opposition won't go over 30 per cent or so.
      So, go ahead and tell yourself Harper is succeeding because he's a good manager. He's succeeding in spite of being a terrible manager.

      • Patchouli

        Actually I don't even imagine the prime minister believes he is succeeding.

      • orval

        You appear to buy into the media-driven delusion of "most-polarizing,autocratic, bully, ideologue, shuts down democracy, blah, blah blah". I am quite happy with Canada's economic situation and prospects, compared to, let's say, Greece or USA. The recent Nanos poll had 78% of Canadians believing that Canada was the best placed country to come out of the global recession – a triumph of Government message discipline over the hysterical naysayers in the media.

        For from his base weakening, the CPC has taken in record amounts of money from its supporters in every year, which tells you what the real "base" thinks. PM Harper leads in a significant way all leadership polling "who is best PM?" He already has a sizable political majority in RoC, and is growing, not shrinking, his support.

        The fact of the matter is nobody believes the media anymore. The Government is right to ignore it.

        • ex canuck

          Right on, Orval – autre fois. Mr Harper's Canada never looked so well managed and sane as it does now. Incidentally, you needn't have brought basket case Greece into the piece to support your thesis; try UK.

          You are also right on about the cess pit that is the media. What in the world are journalists up to? Or is it that they are just never going to abandon that finest hour when they graduated with their journalism degrees? Most of us have moved on by the age of 30, but these pompous know nothings seem to hang on to their sophomoric views forever.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          The only triumph of this government on the economy was that they at least were able to recognize their mistake when it got played out in front of them in the US, that's why they reversed their previous decision to allow banks to give 40yr, no-down mortgages.

          The rest of it is Mark Carney for adapting our interest rates quickly and decisively, the Liberal government previous for having us set up in a very strong economic position to start with, and the Liberal governments previous to that for blocking the big bank mergers.

          As to how much they've received in donations, it makes sense they've received more money this year.. they've had more money to advertise with.. oh wait.. that's not their money they're advertising with.. it's ours.

          • kcm

            Hey Mr Coyne how bout you address thwim's last point, since you favour doing away with public subs. How do you go about countering the temptation for an incumbent gov't to use the power of the public purse to leverage an unfair and unethical advantage in raising private donations?

  • David B.

    No wonder nothing gets done in Ottawa. Everyone is scared.

    Right on Andrew …

    Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Goering

  • billg

    I'm with Ron…its got more to do with the MSM then anything else. On Sunday's QP Craig Oliver twice refered to Rahim Jaffir as "a high profile MP'…now, how does Craig Oliver not know that Jaffir is a private citizen? Look at the Rabson column from Winnipeg last week wondering how the Federal Conservatives managed to reach an Ontario judge..even though the judge never ruled on the case. Look at the treatment of Stephane Dion in that famous CTV interview in which he was tired and confused with a very confusing question. In a CBC Olympic report a few weeks ago the female anchor questions who Michael Ignatief would be cheering for in the Canada/Russia game because he was born in Russia and is.."betwixed and between" of who to root for…how low and stupid can you go. It goes on and on and on and on. Dont have a story..hey…justs make one up with.."a liberal/conservative insider says..". And if you dont believe me read David Aikin from last weeks Jaffir affair….it was TMZ journalism and nothing more. We expect and deserve better Mr Coyne.

  • wilson

    So the media is not able to set the agenda with Harper in the big chair,
    so we get the whining on how everyone is afraid to do something.
    Harper is evil and controlling, the Opps are whimps, there is nothing right about Canada.

    Well 'something' is getting done Mr Coyne,
    and it was illustrated in no uncertain terms during the Olympics.

    We like us.
    We don't agree that Canada was an embarrassment in Copenhagen,
    and a failure in Afghanistan……

    Perhaps the media should quit trying to lead, and let 'we Canadians' show YOU the way.
    You might learn something, if you would just listen to us instead of all those journalists in the Ottawa bubble.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      Excellent Wilson.The media is always such a downer

      • Gary

        The left wing media in this country should be denied oxygen!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          Indeed, far better and easier to kill those who have an opinion you disagree with than actually attempt to use reason.

          That involves all sorts of messy facts and stuff that don't support your gut feelings, after all.

          • Gary

            It was a figure of speach…………………but I guess you knew that with your superior reasoning skills!

    • kcm

      "We like us.
      We don't agree that Canada was an embarrassment in Copenhagen,
      and a failure in Afghanistan…… '

      You got all that from one suceessful Olympics…you should beome a pundit – maybe you could write for Macleans?

      I suppose anyone who questions those assumptions is unCanadian or disloyal, or not supporting our troops or something?

  • Anon001

    Once again, Coyne, you have highlighted for all to see the brilliance of Harper. Kneel down and pay your respects at the feet of the Master, for he shall prevail.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/macGen macGen

    to quote a pretty good source: To Be or Not To Be, this is the Question. And we are not "being" these days. As to why? Keeps various elite groups and wealthy Canadians at the top of the food chain. Has the thought occurred to people that when Government Service and MPs were not renumerated so handsomely."democracy" worked? A nation that let's Wal-Mart Superstores trump just about anything else, including our major grocery and consumer purveyors gets the government it deserves. At least the Olympic mittens sold well even if they were Made in China. – fear and loathing somewhere in the fruit belt and oil patch

  • humanity4all

    I cannot understand what the issue is here. Canada and its citizens are are part of the wider family that control the world. The countriy's issues are not in Canada but everywhere else on the planet.

    Its people do not have a problem with its armed forces invading other countries and the consequences of this. I say this by its reaction to all this(Or lack of reaction). Its history is based on one of conquest(http://www.youtube.com/?v=Dgbrt7NJCtg, both internally and externally.

    The people of canada consider themselves fortunate to be in the membership of nations that dictate to others what they should to avoid invasion. Therefore, its a non issue what its political leaders do inside the country when they are allowed to act freely outside the country!

  • humanity4all
  • http://www.hincheysstore.blogspot.com Hinchey's Store

    Andrew, what do you propose Harper do differently?
    Please see my comments regarding your position on this here.
    Mike

  • kcm

    …have only helped to fuel…

    • kcm

      " . The diff in both the trudeau and Mulroney years was that neither man was afaid to try and sell his big ideas head on, despite media objections/bad press "

      There is the further possibility that no-ones actually has any worthwhile ideas to fire up the public, none the public likes anyway?

  • Karol_K

    Andrew Coyne ignores one very important issue, homosexual lobby in Canada has a firm grip on media, public opinion pooling, LPC and NDP.
    Homosexual lobby in Canada is at war with Conservative government and they use cooked results of public opinion pools to inflate popularity of Liberals in MSM reports. That causes quite idiotic sytuation for Liberals as true numbers show them that they cannot afford next federal election as they stand to lose more MPs and next election will most like result in Conservative majority. Homosexual propaganda that inflates popularity of Liberal Party makes all Liberal politicians in Ottawa look very weak as they do not behave bold enough in comparison to inflated popularity numbers that homo lobby produces for them.

    • Gary

      WOW! With help like this, who needs enemys?
      No wonder us conservatives can't get over the hump!

    • Hunter Mars

      Yer a goof !

  • Karol_K

    Firm grip that homo lobby has on MSM and a constant war that they wage thru MSM on Conservatives creates a sytuation where Canservatives have to use elaborate tactics in order to get their message thru to Canadian electorate.
    For Harper best tactics is to hold on to power and let conservative grassroots work on defeating homo lobby's iron grip on MSM. Other good tactics that is utilised lately is to provoke homo lobby into attacks on Conservatives on carefuly selected issues "Jason Kanney affair".
    Burdening LPC and NDP with "homo anchor" caues that more and more people get turned off on LPC and NDP for their very public pandering to homo lobby and homo agenda.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      Man.. I never realized the milk board was so powerful.

      I think they support skim too though.

      • Brian

        "Andrew Coyne ignores one very important issue, homosexual lobby in Canada has a firm grip on media, public opinion pooling, LPC and NDP."

        Look beyond the comfy parlor, and "they're" doing a good job of keeping a 'firm grip' on the Conservative Party too, but please – keep whatever delusions you need to get to sleep at night, Karol "one initial short" K.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

        My very generous take for the writer on the "homo" term was also homogenous; just meaning similar. Not sure if it fit.

    • FVerhoeven

      Karol, I don't think you raise an unimportant point. I also believe that the gay lobby group inserts itself in each and every issue. But then, to openly say that much will mean that you are being accused of homophobia once again, which proves the point that they use "it' to make their lobbying position stronger. And they know it too. We know it too, of course, but how to change that catch 22 situation is another matter. Perhaps letting the "homo anchor" burden settle might be the best option available.

      I think your thoughts on this are interesting.

    • fuddle duddle

      maybe another tactic would be to get more homosexual MPs in the Conservative Party …we had one run in Vancouver Centre last election

    • BCer in Mtl

      Good ol' Karol Karolak!

      Everyone misses you from the G&M boards since you've been banned

      Just for old time's sake, can you throw in a 'Librano Gang'? For me its like hearing Preston Manning say 'Refooooorm'!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      Have you seen the movie "Blues Brothers" Karol_K?
      I quote this in honor of you and your "homo anchor"…

      "White men! White women! The flag is calling you. The sacred and ancient symbol of your race, since the beginning of time. The Jew is using The Black as muscle against you. And you are left there helpless. Well, what are you going to do about it, Whitey? Just sit there? Of course not! You are going to join with us. The members of the American, National Socialist, White Peoples' Party. An organization of decent, law abiding white folk. Just like you! "

      • FVerhoeven

        you've had your turn. Now hear here, have a listen to how I see things:

        Ever since the aspect of individuality is held in higher regards than the collective instinct, homosexuality seems to be in an upsurge. Why would that be? Is homosexuality not an aspect one is born into? Yes, I won't deny that but the inheritance is not as direct as one might suspect, meaning it might not go quickly from one generation to the next. However, the increased emphasis on individualtiy gets stronger over generations. But a healthy sense of individuality means the individual knows and understands that the "other" or "opposite" is needed for safeguarding our collectivity. You see, individualism and collectivity can not be considered apart; they belong together or are not to be.
        (continued)

  • dkite

    How pleasant. The politicians are afraid. Afraid of the electorate!

    What would I really like to see? The CRA afraid to collect taxes.

    We can dream.

    Derek

  • hangman

    Orval, Orval, Orval. Your blue knickers are showing below your skirt.

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    • Observant

      I support Stephen Harper … now reveal to us who you support as Canada's prime minister … that is if you will be transparent and accountable in a democratic sense. Go ahead … we are waiting …….

      • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=353178758917 Michelle

        I have a few questions for you first dear Observant. Do you think Stephen Harper has kept his campaign promises of accountability and transparency? Do you believe he (or any leader) should be able to pose for photo ops and not give interviews and then when questions to the PM are allowed is it right to pre-screen them and only allow certain, hand picked journalists to pose them? Do you agree that we should be building more prisons when crime rates are down?
        Do you agree with U.S. officers having the extended permission to arrest Canadians on Canadian borders?
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        • Observant

          STOP with your obfuscating and Harper-hating propaganda..!!! I asked you a relevant question and you are dodging..!!!

          If you believe PM Harper is not deserving to lead Canada, then reveal who you would support as Canada's next PM??

          Saying: "Anybody but Harper" would be a cop out and devious … so fess up or you will be as unaccountable as Harper and your cause rendered suspect.

        • Observant

          STOP with your obfuscating and Harper-hating propaganda..!!! I asked you a relevant question and you are dodging..!!!

          Either respond to my initial question or just withdraw … without asking the forum moderator to delete my valid request.

        • FVerhoeven

          Michelle, I have all respect for young people trying to enter into the democratic dialogue. But what you should do first is to try out your ideas concerning arguments and counterarguments in a school-like setting, where you will learn the skills to participate fully within democracy. Whipping up the masses with half-baked insights does more damage to the democratic well being, not help it.

          Mr.Ignatieff might think it a good idea to have university students help him out concerning LPC directions, but not untill you've lived in the real world (outside of university) will reality be revealed and thus provide sufficient knowhow for finding real solutions to political problems. One day, he and you will come to understand that much!

          • Observant

            Michelle is just a Liberal operative trying to demonize PM Harper because there may just be a reward for her if the Liberals seize power again … these types are political parasites who hide behind some silly anonymous facebook website doing their damage to Canadian democracy… so obvious.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

            "Liberal operative"?
            Agent training has really gone to the pooper. But forget all that.
            Spew MORE venom!!! Tell us how you really feel!
            Don't sugarcoat. Feel free to include "homo anchor" if necessary.
            Be "observant", and not obvious……

          • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=353178758917 Michelle

            I would vote 'coalition' if you really need to know, which I find strange, that it is so important that you know this. For the record I'm not a liberal nor am I a university student!
            Harper and his minions are in contempt of Parliament, that's a fact and that's illegal, and God help us:
            This is a partial transcript of the interview of Law Professor Amir Attaran
            by the CBC's Carole MacNeil (starting just after the 4 minute mark of
            the almost 8 minute interview). The interview was broadcast on CBC News
            Network on the afternoon of Friday, 2010.03.05. The time stamps are
            indicated between square brackets (i.e …[0:00]) and are slightly
            approximate (they could be off by a few seconds).

            [Amir Attaran] You don't need an act of
            Parliament, this is a Constitutional power, it's in our Constitution.
            Let me be totally clear. What the government has done so far in failing
            to release the documents to Parliament uncensored, one hundred percent
            is illegal.[5:53] Mr Nicholson is acting without legal authority. He is
            violating, the government is violating the Constitution of Canada. Does
            that sound like a crisis? It should, because the Constitution is the
            highest law of the land, and in other democracies, more advanced than
            the present government, this is not even debated. It's absolutely taken
            as granted.
            Now 'OBSERVANT' ~ strange name for a mother to call her child, but whatever….Answer the questions I posed to you, if you can….bet you can't! And try and do your silly dance around the facts above you.
            It worries me to no end that people will still support this PM after all he's done and hasn't done! Bet you supported his half baked excuses for proroguing Parliament too ~ of course you did, you're cut from the same sick cloth!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

    A media report quoting a lefty prof’s uncorroborated claims about the documents’ contents set them baying like hounds one day. Another report, revealing that—horrors—Canadian intelligence officers had questioned Afghan prisoners (isn’t that what we hire them for? to gather intelligence?), led to even more exaggerated outbursts, as if this in itself proved complicity in torture.

    Finally, someone in the media has made these obvious points.

    MPs needn’t speculate about the contents of the documents; they have the power to demand them, if only they will use it. If they are serious, they will do so, with whatever special arrangements are needed to allay national security concerns.

    This is correct – looks like Harper is waiting for them to go all-in, but they're too afraid to put their money where their mouths are.

  • Randall

    I love reading the mostly quality comments here compared to some other msm sites and I like the column Coyne offers here. But at times Coyne does seem to be part of the problem. Just a few days ago on TV Coyne chagrined the PM for days ago attempting a "jiggery video" on Youtube, which was just for "stunt value". He guffawed at the fabrication of so-called media filtering, and that somehow the Liberal inclined media were blocking (and countering) PM Harper's message continually. As example he said Harper had easily manipulated the media some time ago, by getting his own way with a piano performance!
    After laughing off the possibility of a Liberal friendly media existing, he said that a mediated populism is best when in fact there is a "proper mix", he hates to say it but , a filtering, a screening out of the yahoos and crazies is necessary.

    Well I read only one or two KKrazies on this thread and most of us quickly move on anyways, offering no traction.

    So expand on the need for filtering Andrew and how it doesn't exist, yet is a fabrication of some of us who are not Liberals at this point in time? Filtering but not necessarily filtering?

  • Ron

    The number one reason for the climate of fear is the incessant gotch-style media reporting. Every person on the Hill knows that little good they do will ever see the light of the press but one single word or action set wrong will result in days, if not weeks, of attacks, insults, accusations and screams of outrage from the media. Look at the reporting on the Jaffir affair – absolutly no evidence (actually outright denial from the Provincial Crown) of Conservative involvement in the dropping of charges but the media has attacked them and blamed them for the outcome. Jaffir was treated exactly as thousands of citizens every day in this country, having charges dropped, negotiated away and walking away from serious consequences – that is the core of Canadian "justice". Yet, attacks and insults abound. It isnt' fear of doing something that hobbles MP's – it is fear that should some lazy journalist catch an unscripted moment the MP's career could be over in a flurry of misinformation, slanted story telling, half-truths and innuendo. I don't blame them.

    • kcm

      Perhaps? although gotcha journalism didn't seem to stop Mulroney fighting for free trade and the GST. It ididn't prevent Trudeau repatriating the constitution or bringing in bi-lingualism. I'm not at all sure gotcha style coverage is any worse now, although the media's attention span is noticeably shorter – but so is ours – so maybe i'm mistaken? Call me a cynic, but when the system hasn't undergone radical change, one can only conclude it is the quality of the men and women that has changed – and not for the better. It's all rather odd. In all likelihood the educational level of todays journo and or politician has never been higher, yet still the malaise. It's gotta be the fluoride in the water.

      • Ryan

        I'm not sure I'd agree that gotcha style coverage isn't worse now. Yes, the media has always liked a good scandal, and since Watergate it's been a prime way to sell papers and gain viewers. However, the advent of 24 hour news cycles and a multi-channel/internet universe has stepped up the pressure to deliver news quickly and in a way that attracts attention. I don't think Mulroney and Trudeau faced the same pressures, though both surely suffered at the hands of the media as public opinion turned against them. I guess the difference is that in their day it was the pursuit of big ideas that brought them down, while today politicians won't even consider big ideas because it's a ill-worded tweet alone that could bring them down.

      • Zap

        One could argue that the 24 hour news cycle, the blogosphere, and media cutbacks have all led to less journalists seeking stories with more flash than substance. It's much easier to write a knee jerk column suggesting a prosecutor with sacrifice his career to help out a has been party-boy politician than it is digging through access to information requests. Suddenly media giants are failing, editors have no idea how to get readers back without going for the gutter, and journalists are just trying to save their jobs, integrity be damned.

        I'm both frustrated and sympathetic to the Government. I understand that shaky public opinion, a hostile press, and a parliamentary minority make bold policy objectives seen impossible, but too often the Government's agenda gets sidetracked by problems that were easily avoidable. Common sense would have dictated how monumentally stupid the O Canada flap was. Moreover, as a former junior staffer, it was painfully obvious that Jasmine MacDonnell and Helena Guergis, amongst others, were ticking time bombs.

        It's no surprise to conservatives how awful the media can be. It's just so disappointing to repeatedly see a Government you believe in get thrown off message by the basics.

        • kcm

          I agree with you guys, the 24hr news cycle has only made things worse – even more of a fishbowl. But gov'ts [this one in particular] when they counter perceived gotcha coverage with armies of unelected spin doctors and sleazy ten percenters; this only helped to fuel public cynicism. The diff in both the trudeau and Mulroney years was that neither man was afaid to try and sell his big ideas head on, despite media objections/bad press ; which is kinda Ac's point here, no-one has the courage to really take a risk. To win you must not be afraid of failure. But it's likely true things are tougher now. But if the wells are poisioned i don't think it's entirely fair to just blame the media. Decades of big govt, big ideas/anti-intellectualism = bad propaganda has done its part too.

    • hangman

      Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie. Your blue knickers are showing below your skirt.

  • krs1

    It's sad, but after Maher Arar's case, allegations of complicity in torture are far more believable.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tobyornotoby tobyornotoby

    There are two political parties in Canada, the Winners and Losers, but people don't acknowledge this and claim membership in imaginary parties instead, called the Conservatives and the Liberals.

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