Why is Iacobucci playing along?

Iacobucci was hired to ‘review’ the detainee documents

by Andrew Coyne on Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:51am - 167 Comments
Why is Iacobucci playing along?

Photograph by Adrian Wyld/ CP

As the Watergate scandal deepened, the U.S. Senate struck a committee to investigate. Headed by Sen. Sam Ervin, it had broad powers to subpoena documents and compel evidence, together with a staff of investigators and legal counsel.

On July 13, 1973, Alexander Butterfield, Richard Nixon’s deputy assistant, told committee staff that discussions in the Oval Office were routinely tape-recorded. Before long, judge John J. Sirica had launched proceedings to force the president to hand over the tapes. Nixon refused, citing executive privilege, but in the end complied with a Supreme Court ruling ordering their release, with consequences that are well known.

But suppose the U.S. Congress functioned like Canada’s Parliament, and Nixon had the powers, not of a president, but of a prime minister of Canada. The committee, uncertain of its jurisdiction and with little in the way of staff or resources, would very likely never have learned of the tapes’ existence. Had it persisted with its inquiries, Nixon could have shut down the committee, and the Congress with it. And, rather than defend his case in court, Nixon could have hired a former Supreme Court judge to “advise” him on whether to release the tapes. And that would more or less be that.

I don’t mean to imply the situations are directly comparable. But you will agree that the issues involved in the Afghan detainee affair—whether Canadian forces were directed to transfer prisoners to Afghan jails, either with reckless disregard for the likelihood they would be tortured, or in the certain knowledge that they would—are of the most serious kind. Perhaps you will also agree, therefore, that the handling of the case to date shows, yet again, how weak is our capacity to hold governments to account in this country. No, this isn’t Watergate. But if it were, how would we know?

It is now four months since Richard Colvin’s explosive testimony before the Commons special committee on Afghanistan. It is three months since Parliament demanded, by formal vote, that the government hand over all documents related to his testimony, in full, without redactions. It is more than two months since the government prorogued Parliament rather than comply, and two weeks since Parliament returned. And we are no closer to seeing the documents than we were before. Frankly, that is now the more pressing issue: whether the government is answerable to Parliament, or not.

The latest instalment in this saga, the hiring of retired Supreme Court judge Frank Iacobucci as an “independent adviser” to the government, is in some ways the most troubling. It is as if, rather than openly defy the norms and institutions of democratic accountability, the government has now chosen to parody them. Though he is, according to his terms of reference, to “review” those parts of the documents that are “proposed to be withheld from release,” and to “make recommendations” as to which of these might be “disclosed,” Iacobucci may see only those documents the government chooses to provide him. He has no powers to subpoena any others, nor is the government under any compulsion to follow his recommendations.

So nothing has really changed. The government is still reserving to itself the right to decide whether and on what terms it will be accountable to Parliament. Only now it has hired some high-priced legal talent to advise it. To make this credible, it is relying on public confusion on a couple of key points.

The first involves just who the information is to be “disclosed” to. The terms of reference suggest the issue is whether it should be released to the general public and the wider world, with whatever implications this might have for national security or international relations. But no one is proposing it should be released to the public: only to Parliament. And everyone agrees that sensitive information would be reviewed only in camera, by MPs sworn to secrecy.

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  • Standing By

    Good question. Since the Judge would be the first to admit how limited and pointless are his terms of reference, I can think of no reason for him to do this other than, despite his no doubt comfy pension, that he (or his family) wants/needs the money.

  • BJB

    This entire matter – the possible torture of Afghan detainees – could lead to criminal indictments against Canada for alleged war crimes. Charges could possibly be laid against every Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Chief of Defence responsible for Canadian forces in Afghanistan since 2002 when Canada entered the conflict. Much is at stake. Unsurprisingly, the government has hired someone it believes to be a good lawyer for advice on what documents (evidence?) should be released. Parliament, meanwhile, allows the government to stonewall. Again, hardly surprising since the Liberals, which now lead the Opposition, are knee deep in the mud along with the Conservatives. The Liberals, after all, first committed the country to the Afghan conflict. Throughout the war, respective Liberal and Conservative administrations have maintained a cost-saving policy not to house captured combatants (er, detainees). This is war on the cheap, like renting air lift to get troops to the battlefield. Canada may regret such penurious policy and its manifest risks. As a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC), Canada could find itself compelled to give evidence to that body. Thus, the entire affair could be removed from domestic politics and placed in the hands of ICC investigators. At that point, former Justice Iacobucci may be retained for the defence, and the spat between the executive and legislative branches of government would be moot. Canadians, Andrew Coyne among them, might then be wondering why their government surrendered its sovereignty to a group of judges and prosecutors in the Hague.

    • Observant

      If worse came to worse, I fear that there would be civil unrest in Canada … and those who are demanding "war criminals" be prosecuted would be in grave danger. The country would shatter.

      • riley

        You seem to think Canadians are OK with torture. That we've forgotten why our soldiers went to Germany in WWII. That all those new Canadians who've come hear to escape torture and a dictatorship are OK with torture. That Canadians will riot in the streets to save Peter Mackay from going to the docks in Geneva. I think (hope, pray) you're sadly mistaken.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    Andrew Coyne for Speaker!!

    • FVerhoeven

      A hero for democracy – unopposed by Liberals and NDP………..I repeated it so it might not be missed by all the-renewal-of-democracy crowd………………..

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        What's undemocratic about that? Are the Liberals and the NDP honour-bound to cut their own throats?

  • Standing By

    I think the reason the Liberals handed over detainees with regret for reasons of political expediency, and probably hoped that they would not be tortured too badly. The Conservatives, on the other hand, likely handed them over happily because they are believers in coercion in general, and wanted them to be tortured.

    • Observant

      You claim: "The Conservatives, on the other hand, likely handed them over happily because they are believers in coercion in general, and wanted them to be tortured."

      That means all the Canadian officers and soldiers were aware of the torture risk and followed orders from Ottawa (which incidentally is not a valid defence). Doesn't that make them complicit in "war crimes" as well … or do you hold them blameless … and only the Harper Conservative gov't is guilty of perpetrating "war crimes"..???

    • ex canuck

      This post is really outrageously biased, perhaps bordering on slanderous. Did you think at all before you wrote?

      • commonsense

        @ex canuck , let me guess …. individual now living in a suburb of Houston, Texas; proud member of the Republican Party (United States) , great admirer of the even greater Sarah Palin, neo-con (French pronunciation) ….

      • FVerhoeven

        Oh, come on now, ex canuck, how long you've been out of the country. Here in Canada we don't do that sort of thing anymore. Thinking? What's that????

  • MacLean's Regular

    "after they live" sb "after they're gone."

  • orval

    The other possibility is that Andrew Coyne and the Parliament will Fight! gang are wrong.

    Read SCC decision Canada (House of Commons) v Vaid (interesting tidbit- Iacobucci was a judge on the Court when Vaid was decided in 2005). The SCC said Parliament is not an enclave from the ordinary law of the law. This is the presumption. Parliamentary privilege may apply in some cases, but it is for the courts to determine the scope of the privilege being claimed, not the Speaker, nor the Law Clerk.

    In this case, it is a legal question whether Parliamentary privilege overcomes the prohibition against release of certain information by the Attorney-General to any "proceeding" (which the Special Committee apparently is because it has the power to demand documents) under sect 38 Canada Evidence Act.

    If the Speaker rules against the Government, then we have a legal matter on our hands. I reckon that the Government would in that case initiate a reference to the Supreme Court of Canada.

    • orval

      Sorry, that's "ordinary law of the land."

      • orval

        Mea Culpa. Justice Iacobucci retired from SCC on June 30, 2004. So he didn't participate in Vaid case, which is leading SCC jurisprudence on parliamentary privilege.

        • wilson

          So MPs can be trusted to see secret documents that could risk national security,
          but are not allowed to board an airplane without being treated as if they have a bomb in their underwear….strange

          NATO made the rules for handing over detainees to Afghan prison authorities,
          NATO did not call for a stop to any detainee transfers,
          so I guess the brass at NATO are also complicite in war crimes……

          • grant lefaive

            The arrogance of this government defies belief!!! Time to get rid of it.

          • kcm

            God, are you ever scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

  • Jennifer Pollock

    Moot not mute but interesting mistake ;)

  • JamesHalifax

    The question has been asked before……….why does being an elected MP have anything to do with your right to see documents that may be secret?

    Do you really want someone like Libby Davies seeing secret documents about cooperation between Israel and CSIS? How long do you think it would be before libby was on the phone with her "Israeli Apartheid Week" buddies and sharing the knowledge with those involved?
    Do you want Bloc MP's seeing Canadian secrets that are meant to keep the country united?

    Really folks…..this is not about openness and transparency, this is about the Opposition parties defending the well-being of terrorists at the expense of the soldiers….and hoping some rubs off on the current Governement.

    Of course…if your a Liberal or NDP supporter….I guess none of that really crossed your mind, and if it did, I guess it didn't matter.

    Oi Vey.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

      What a crock James. The Military Complaints Commissioners had full top security clearance to view these docs and to determine what was best kept out of the public eye, and the government has been refusing to give THEM these documents. The government is also refusing to do a public inquiry, where a judge with subpoena power could demand all docs and then he/she could determine what could or couldnt be released as it pertains to national security (not the sham advisory thing they want a FORMER judge Iacobucci to do) This was what was done in the Maher Arar inquiry with no security ramifications.

      This has nothing to do with protecting terrorists.. and everything to do with protecting the COnservative government from political embarrassment/political damage, or worse, docs that prove they were in complicity with violating int'l law or committing war crimes.

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      We know Maxime Bernier had access – who knows, maybe the Hells Angels too.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nich Nich

      "why does being an elected MP have anything to do with your right to see documents that may be secret?"

      Because the documents are crucial to their committee work and holding the government to account.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

      Do you want Bloc MP's seeing Canadian secrets that are meant to keep the country united?

      I have no problem at all having Bloc MPs seeing Canadian secrets.

      And, while realizing that we are talking about secrets so details might be sketchy, what types of secrets that are in play in relation to this detainee issue would also be relevant to keeping Canada united?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

    Inch by inch it's being updated, this Afghan detainee debate.

    "I don’t mean to imply the situations are directly comparable……"

    Then why use it in the first place, Mr.Coyne? You understand very well that using such examples as you just did in this write-up will direct the rest accordingly. You set a tone to the article from the get-go, and so I stopped reading it after you admit (after most of the damage has been done……) that indeed: "I don’t mean to imply the situations are directly comparable………………"

    Why the need for additional tones being set? Wouldn't your argument be able to stand up without the support of wedged nuances?

    • Sigh…

      Too bad you stopped reading. You almost got to the point…____"No, this isn’t Watergate. But if it were, how would we know?"

    • wilson

      '..so I stopped reading it after you admit (after most of the damage has been done……) that indeed: "I don’t mean to imply the situations are directly comparable………………"

      Me too,
      but Coyne needs the hits, so it calls for tabloid journaism.
      kady took a large readership with her to CBC.

      • FVerhoeven

        I don't really care who does this sort of comparisson at the beginning of a write-up; it's slanting a story to a particular side and I don't like it. I don't like to see it when Coyned uses it because I thought he would be above doing that sort of thing. I guess I was wrong in that assessment.

        Oh, and I think Kady has her good and bad moments, but one thing is for sure: she's better matched at CBC than she was at Macleans.

        • bonneau

          quit nitpicking and digressing for dog's sake, it's a figure of speech, it's called an analogy, and it's meant to get a point across…. quit dwelling on the form and focus on the content / message…

          • FVerhoeven

            You really don't see the point I'm trying to make? Precisely because Coyne starts off with such coparisson (completely uncalled for) he has tainted the rest of the write up. And you want to talk content/message? Well, I wonder what Coyne's message is, and that would be the content of my complaint.

  • Michael St.Paul's

    Right – first start off with a hyperbole of a comparison – then say that "well that really isn't a comparison" – and conclude by questioning the man's judgement. Great piece, Andy.

  • Political Grandma

    Mr. Coyne, you're pushing the over played 'right to know' for your own intellectual excercise of supposedly democracy watch..The same hyper ventilation of all media over Prorogation to create news and you justify similarities to US Watergate, which is unjustiiyable. Not one word on the biggest scam of our time? Climategate. Selective journalism is getting sickening and is the cause of turning off the voters. Stand in line behind salivating Tom Clark as he finds a new question to hoist the government on its own petard. All of you are becoming garbage….sick of it… What I wish Harper would do is outlaw the Bloc as a National Party that holds 50 seats in Parliament…Then watch the country go balistic, at least it would be news.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/rodcros rodcros

    Off Topic, sorry, but I wish someone would post an answer to the following question:

    Prorogation marked the end of a session of parliament with the disbanding of committees and an end to the term of the speaker, as well as the death of a number of unpassed bills. So why is Peter Miliken still the Speaker of the House? I like the guy, but what I read about prorogation made it clear he'd be out of a job.

    • orval

      Prorogation is the ending of a session, not of a Parliament. Prorogation therefore is not "an end to the term of the speaker"

  • Kelly

    This issue began with the Liberal governments when the political decision was made to hand over detainees to Afghan authorities. As McCallum likes to say, "nyah…nyah…those discussions are sealed." Why are they sealed?

  • hollinm

    Coyne perhaps you would prefer to see the Supreme Court asked for a ruling on the documents. Can you imagine how long such a ruling would take? This is not simply a matter of the government refusing to release sensitive national sucurity documents. Its about protecting Canada.
    Nowhere have you said what would happen if in fact the government was complicit. This took place four years ago. This is war and things bad happen. Yes we could go to the people who are the final arbiters and Harper wins a majority. What then?

  • biff

    This isn't flogging a dead horse. This is digging it up, flogging it, burying it, digging it up again and flogging once more.

    Yes there's a handful of desperate partisans dying to have something ANYTHING to stick to Harper (in place of actual…uhm…substantive realistic government in waiting),

    but the average Canadian looking at this media driven spectacle, are just shaking their heads in disbelief.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Skinny_Dipper Skinny Dipper

    Will the opposition be serious about asking the Speaker to get the Sergeant-at-Arms to detain those who refuse to hand over the documents?

  • Avg Cdn Perspective

    It is time we stop being so righteous about these matters. As it stands right now, the majority of Canadian don’t care what Afghanistan does to it’s own citizens. Imagine for a moment if Canada was in a similar state of affairs as Afghanistan. One where innocent citizens, government officials, police, academics, et al were being attacked on a daily basis and killed in Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, and all over the rest of the country. Now, with that imagine and sense of unrest in your mind. If the bleeding hearts peering down from their Ivory Towers would care to take off their rose coloured glasses for a moment, they would realize that if this was the state in our country no one would care what happened to those who were perpetrating these acts of terrorism on our citizens. As such, those fighting against our soldiers, the UN Forces, and the Afghan Army are terrorists, end of story, and should be afforded no mercy. They serve but for one purpose, to overthrow the government of Afghanistan and return it’s former state of oppression, where academics and women had no rights. War is ugly people, Canada has live the good life for too long to remember this.

    • hollinm

      Would Coyne and the rest of elites rather that Canada be charged with war crimes? Is that the intent here or is it that there is so much hatred for the current government they will say or do anything to convince the electorate they need to be defeated. Thus far Canadians are not listening. Thank God.
      This is an issue that happened four years ago. The government reacted and negotiated a new agreement. Yet that is not good enough. So here is a hypothetical. What if the government did tell our military to continue the transfers because it was the only alternative available. The opposition could vote non confidence. An election would be held. The government would be re-elected because Canadians are interested in the economy not the Afghans torturing their own. What then? What would have been accomplished?

  • Paul M.

    Harper has done us one big favour. He has demonstated, countless times, that Canada's governmental system has few, if any, checks and balances on a determined autocrat.

    It is time to stop kidding ourselves that we live in a democracy and wake up to the power of large corporations (mostly American) and the religious right.

  • radha

    Prime Minister Harper is being investigated on Afghan torture.

  • Neville brown

    The majority of elected m.p's have demanded that all documents be handed over.Representing the majority of Canadians they have the right to to these documents ,national security be damned.Harper is basically acting like a banana republic dictator.I am sure all are M.P's are smart enough to know the difference between national security and the breaking of the law.If the Liberals are as complicit as the Conservatives we shall find out if Canadians do or do not care about our laws and international law.I am hoping that we are a bit smarter than the right wing down south.

  • http://www.premieretreeservices.com/ tree removal service

    It's all about politics. People tend to do the right thing that they thought they could benefit from, but i believe, it's all still about politics.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Civil_rightist Civil_rightist

    What is scary are the polls which give these hide-and-seek artists that much in popular intentions in the face of so much disdain of democracy and accompanying dismantling of its institution by a clutch of faceless and for the most part unelected people!

    As for the opposition, well, what can one say about them when this country's democratic heritage is quickly going down the drain, at the hands of right wing zealots, and the best they can do, besides sitting on their hands, is get so casually deflected by this gang of conmen/women, and wait for it… from a 'minority' regime. And, one could tear his hair out for this, the remedy right there, in the House constitution, available for the taking by the opposition if they had any guts.

    Not that long ago, this would have triggered an insurection and the certain overthrow of this outlaw regime.

    Personaly, I am ashamed to call myself a Canadian under the present circumstances…we've become the laughing stock, not just localy, but the world over. Imagine, gangsters taking over, so easily, a once democratic country on the North American continent…One wonders, if by looking southwards, then longly westwards, if we'd be gazing at 'hidden agenda' territory…

    Meanwhile, we're saddled with a gutless opposition and a gutless electorate for tolerating the proliferation of this dictatorship!

    A pox on all of our houses, we deserve what we get!

  • Tom Brown

    All of the "do-gooders" and malcontents are happy to snipe at the Prome Minister, this while some of our young men are being killed in Afghanistan! Used to be called Treason, I think.

  • Andy Anderson

    The issue the Opposition is proposing is that the Conservatives are turning prisoners over to Aphgan authorities where they " MAY " be tortured Where in the world could we intervene against Terrorists where this situation would differ.Do we give up on trying to train & educate Aphgan police, soldiers, and prison authorities; and set up Canadian run prisons, or bring them to Canada where they would be be entitled to a new trial' legal Counsel, & the opportunity to Refugee status?

  • hollinm

    You need to take a pill man. Next thing we know you will be going postal. Nobody is taking away anybody's rights. Get a grip.
    There is a disagreement between the legislative and executive branches of government and it will be resolved at some point.
    The opposition can take your suggestion and force an election and Harper will be re-elected with a majority government. Then you will have some real reason to whine because those dastardly Conservatives are in charge of the whole shebang including the Senate. So be careful what you wish for.

  • hollinm

    Here's another question. If the opposition thinks they are intitled to see any document they want then why didn't they demand all the documents for Maher Arar as the opposition was accusing the government of a cover up on why he was sent to Syria and by whom. Why not demand all the documents on the Somalia Inquiry which the government shut down because it was getting too uncomfortable for their liking. These are only examples but suddently parliament thinks they can see anything by just demanding it. Are they just blowing smoke. Could be.
    Parliament has passed laws. The government is obligated to follow the law. The government feels national security and privacy laws would be breached if documents were released so that is a legitimate concern. Careful. The next step could be the Supreme Court and then the thing will be dead in the water because the Supremes will take forever to rule.

  • hollinm

    All of this escapes the rabid partisans on this board, the lefties and of course the lame street media. It is all about getting Harper. None of them cares two hoots about detainees in Afghanistan. Its all about getting Harper. If we set up a prison then it would be considered a gulag. if we turn them over to their own people then there is the possiblity of torture and if we kill them then we are not being humane. The Harper government was faced with the move from Kabul to Kandahar, the killing fields of Afghanistan, intense fighting where our people were being killed by IEDs etc and of course they had to do something with the detainees. What did they have? The Paul Martin/Rick Hillier agreement where the Canadian government thought the Americans would abuse detainees and so decided for some unexplicable reason to turn them over to a barbaric society. They recognized the shortcomings of the agreement and negotiated a new one. None of the critics have offered a solution. Its easy to be an armchair quarterback sitting in comfortable old Canada and saying tsk, tsk. Harper will win this battle and the opposition will be embarassed.

  • hollinm

    hollinm continued….

    An election would see the opposition parties decimated because Canadians are interested in the economy and Harper has shown his leadership and Canadians in all leadership polls support him twice as much as Iffy. So be careful what you wish for. Trying to win an election based on another country torturing their own citizens is not a winning strategy.

  • hollinm

    You are being just a little overdramatic here. What's with the name calling. Harper had the right to prorogue whether you, the media and the lefties in the country like it or not. The procedure has been used 105 times since confederation and you don't get to choose whether you like the reason. There is a disagreement between the executive and legislative branches of government. The government must uphold the laws of the land and that means national security and privacy laws. If the opposition thinks it has the right to see any and all documents where were they on the Maher Arar file when the Liberal government allowed Arar to be transferred to Syria to be tortured. Just asking. There are many other instances where documents requested by Parliament have been redacted. This will play out over time but the opposition is playing with fire. Harper could call an election or refer the matter to the Supreme Court and then it will take months maybe even years to get to the bottom of the so called detainee issue.

  • sakel1m

    This is an excellent analogy to the Nixon Watergate scandal. Except that in Canada's case, this scandalous behaviour has the tragic consequence of eroding our country's supreme democratic institution itself: Parliament. And it's therefore far more serious in its overall impact than the Nixon thuggery.

    Canadians still recoil from learning that the late Chuck Cadman's family was offered an improper "life insurance" bribe/offer from theTaliban-on-the-Hill that rules us before they became the rulers of the land! The tape was 'doctored' by the two Conservative MPs but the matter was not brought to justice. Instead Harper brought a libel lawsuit against the Liberals!

    Justice Iacobucci has a very difficult judicial balancing act which, as Andrew Cohen correctly points out, is hanging on the wire precariously. In fact, our very own Tricky Stevie (thinks he) has managed to evade justice and a public verdict, once again, and is buying Himself some time on the cheap!

    Making a mockery of Parliament and, now, the Judiciary is inexcusable. The Taliban-on-the-Hill should surrender to our elected representatives the evidence required to make a proper determination. Canada's international obligations and its reputation is in grave danger, as is our form of "democratic" government.

    Time for our Taliban Party in Ottawa to exit the Dark Ages, remove the smokescreen of autocratic slander and "stay in power at any cost" non-ideology, and submit to the will of Parliament. The Liberals, the NDP, the Bloc (and the Greens who represent 10% of Canadians) should DEMAND this.

    If Harper's not willing to submit to Parliament's will, and the opposition parties don't persist in reclaiming Canadians' democratic rights, then let's just declare Canada the "Banana Republic of the North", sit back and join the tea baggers.

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