Colby Cosh

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Coulter at UOttawa: song of the predictables

by Colby Cosh on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:42pm - 147 Comments

A crowd of columnists, tweeters, talking heads, and bloggers is already preparing to bore you with cynical proclamations that the Ann Coulter fiasco at the University of Ottawa was a “victory” for Coulter, that it was precisely the “martyrdom” she was looking for, and that it was “exactly what she wanted.” I would ask them to consider one question that is usually overlooked even by defenders of freedom of speech: what about the students’ right to hear Ann Coulter, or any other obnoxious political performance artist whose views they might like to entertain? Did they win too? Did they get exactly what they wanted? If we rebranded freedom to speech as the freedom to hear, as Robin Hanson has proposed, would the real nature of the harm be clearer?

When conservative students connect the dots and figure out that they too can assemble mobs and pull fire alarms—heaven forbid that there should ever be two sides to such undignified situationist power contests; the worst people are guaranteed to win no matter what—will we all greet that development with a dismissive sigh? (Would the Nazi metaphors stay locked in the drawer for very long?) One is tempted to compile a list of upcoming Canadian campus events featuring leftist speakers who have ever expressed a view objectionable to somebody or other. There must surely be about fifty of these a week, even if you don’t count ordinary scheduled classes. Ann Coulter’s safety is yours and mine. To which I feel I can only add: “Duh”.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

    My last sentence may be inaccurate – I've read in an article that it was not the cops decision, that it was Coulter's body guard, and that the cops were called to clear people out. The cops did not enter the building. Perhaps it was a combination of the false fire alarm, the large crowd, the absence of security, hectroing protesters, it's hard to say what exactly was going on. I heard someone say that protesters were blocking the doors, I don't know if that was true, but I did see a number the protesters manage to squeeze themselves into the building without waiting in line.

  • CanCon

    The organizers clearly didn't know what they were doing . . .

    1. Why did they choose a public university venue? . . . duh. If anything's clear about public universities in Canada, it's that they are not free speech zones (There's any number of hotels where the event could have been held, with similar or greater audience capacity);

    2. Why were the organizers so public about the venue and time of the speech? . . . again, "duh." Don't they know that in Canada any event that the left — Marxists, anarchists, radical Muslims, and soft liberal fascists — can hi-jack any event they don't like (conservative, Christian, or pro-Israel) with threats of violence, and get it called off by the police. The police services don't fear conservatives, Christians, or Jews, but they do fear the other side;

    3. Why did the organizers not think ahead as to security issues — how to verify who was a confirmed attendee, how to get the keynote speaker in, how to keep protesters and the uninvited back from the doors, etc.? Do they really believe this is Canada? The venue they chose is not a place where the usual Canadian virtues of good manners, queuing to get in, et al. prevail. The venue they chose is one of several Marxist-soft liberal fascists pseudo-state enclaves where the usual Canadian civility or, even, law holds. It's the land of the peasant intellectual, and the peasants really are revolting!

    All in all, it was "amateur night on the Rideau" re. the organization of this event. Next time, call on the professionals to organize a venue for a controversial speech-maker, and let the amateur, would-be organizers attend, watch, and learn how things are done.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      controversial speech maker?!! Spare me.

  • http://twitter.com/pottergold @pottergold

    Couldn't agree more. Except Hanson should be referencing Tom Scanlon — who re-oriented the debate around the "right to hear" forty years ago: http://philosophy.ucsd.edu/faculty/rarneson/Cours…

  • dualie

    Why should I care about someone's right to hear someone who has advocated in the past the annexing of Western Canada ("for the skiing")? I'm frankly surprised she was even allowed to cross the border. She should be a persona non grata in Canada. Even people in her own party have asked that she stop being invited to events because she's an embarrassment.

  • John D

    I once had a final exam and someone pulled the fire alarm. And I still had to write the exam! If only I knew how dangerous it was.

  • Joops

    I've read one of her books, and she's a hate-monger.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      That's your opinion. That makes as much sense to me as someone calling Layton a hate-monger.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

        So not everything is relative… and not all opinions are of equal value; sometimes people's moral beliefs are objectively full of hate. I think you might be guilty here of something called 'student relativism'. Check it out:

        http://prs.heacademy.ac.uk/view.html/PrsDiscourse…

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

          Ha. Coulter plans a speech and is threatened by the provost at the university. You call her a hate monger and I defend her.

          You can see who are the defenders and who are the antagonists here. But you peg Coulter and I as the problem. Hilarious. I hate to break it to you, but liberals are the ones who are guilty of relativism, not conservatives.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

            "threatened by the provost at the university"

            When the police officer says "if you drink and drive, we will arrest you" is that a threat? If you cross the border from the US to Canada carrying a firearm, you need to do your paperwork. If you don't you may face a fine or prison time.

            Is that a threat?

            Keep repeating that she was "threatened". You will continue to be incorrect. .

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

            I'm not sure what you think 'liberalism' is, but usually it has something to do with 'liberty' (sort of antithetical to censorship as characteristic of 'the liberal way of doing things'). You really shouldn't use words like 'liberal' and 'conservative' because they don' t have any meaning, at least not in the sense you're using them. Also, read the link i posted above, it has some interesting arguments… you might actually like it

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

            "And no, her moral beliefs are not hate, they are conservative."

            Ok, I actually have to defend conservative beliefs here: Coulter calls for the mass murder of Muslims. No matter how vehemently I disagree with conservative "beliefs", genocide is not among those beliefs.

            Give your head a shake.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/AJR79 AJR79

            Thanks TJ.

            It's good to hear you say that. : )

  • Allym

    No one threatened her – he simply expressed what our hate crime laws are in the country so she was forewarned before she inserted her foot in her mouth (as she is known for doing) and got herself in trouble. That's being a good host – not being threatening. No one is saying she can't speak her mind – we are saying that in Canada, we don't allow people to say racist and hateful things in public. This is simply a flagrant display of misplaced martyrdom.

    • Max

      Although I agree that in principle hate speech should be prohibited, I also realize that it comes down to ideology. Whether you believe in the right of a society or an individual first. Essentially this is illustrated quite well in the protesters vs. Coulter debacle. But I have to agree that the protesters had just as much a right to be there as Coulter and I see no evidence of any violent intimidation. Most don't even really seem all that interested, see for yourself

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0wZ7qWwgR4

      Just looks like people standing and yelling to me. Isn't that guaranteed under free speech?

  • Joseph

    I detest Ann Coulter's views but why are university students so afraid to listen to her and to debate her? Her views are repugnant but I think she isnt that convincing and I think university students minds are not that frail to be so easily swayed by Ms. Coulter.

  • http://eugeneforseyliberal.blogspot.com EugeneForseyLiberal

    People are idiots. I'm pretty sure a misanthrope from the cold wilds of Northern Alberta with a chip on his shoulder the size of Lake Athabasca, like yourself, Mr. Cosh, would know this already. I have a low opinion of you, given your misanthropy, but even I didn't think you would advocate two, or fifty, wrongs making a right. Dude! And now it seems it was Coulter's own people who called it all off, and Ottawa police had nothing to do with it. Dude x2! But anyway, the whole thing is nonsense.

    As mentioned, people are idiots. I concur. But to protest someone as boooooring as Coulter? That is truly moronic. What next, protesting Dempster's Sliced White Bread? I enjoy interesting provocateurs with novel unhinged arguments. But Coulter is so by the numbers I can't take it. Dieudonné may be an anti-semite, and Orchard may be a 9/11 Truther, but at least they're interesting. Coulter & Dawkins (as polemicist, not as scientist) are equally boring. It's a sad comment on Canada that either or both would get so much press. More intelligence in 1 min. of Kids in the Hall than in 10 hours of those two.

    So I'd advise you to waste as little time as possible on these imbeciles. I realise media have their own readership/capitalistic exigences, but still. Just saying the name, Ann Coulter, makes…me…so…ve…….ry…slee…py…………………………………..

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  • http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com Dr.Dawg

    Coulter was in danger from a false fire alarm and a demo outside? Poor shrinking violet. How many times have you been present for a false fire alarm and waited five minutes or so for someone to turn it off?

    I don't buy this "security" nonsense for a moment. I suspect she pulled the plug herself–she'll coast on this for years to come.

    Sorry to sound cynical. But she was never in any danger, going by all the reports I've read and msgs. I've received. Something smells here. Do abti-Coulter demonstrators not have the right to freedom of expression too?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    C'mon, Dawg. EVERYONE in a crowded venue is in danger from a false fire alarm.

    And you need more than suspicion of your preposterous idea that she pulled the alarm herslef. You need evidence.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

    Your comment makes no sense since this is apparently something that has never happened before. She's already hugely successful, she doesn't need to pull a stunt. She never has before. The cops were asking people to clear out of the building. I don't see how you can blame her for listening to the cops.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/lgarvin lgarvin

    Thanks for keeping us posted on what you suspect, always fascinating stuff.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AJR79 AJR79

    I suspect it was you who pulled the plug Mr.Jedras.

    It's just as plausible, as what you just suggested.

    From what I understand, the U of O is the one who cancelled.

    I will look at any evidence to the contrary, with an open mind.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AJR79 AJR79

    Sorry about that… Mr. Baglow.

    Somtimes all lefties look a little similar to me… but that doesn't make me a racist.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

    There's one big problem with Mr. Cosh's analysis. Conservatives simply don't do this kind of thing. They're just not in the habit of yelling at, screaming, and bullying those that dare to disagree with them. In fact, my experience has been that conservatives don't fight back. When those like Coulter do, the left loses it. For example, why else would that university official send her that threatening letter about speaking her mind? This is what the left does. They can spread hatred about others, others aren't allowed to stand up and disagree.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

    Yeah, I agree, I don't think Naomi Klein has had her events sabotaged.

  • Chris2

    I wonder about the cops & would like to hear more about the basis for their decision. Is anyone going to be able to shut down any event by pulling a fire alarm?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Angry mob outside. Fire alarm inside. Prudence says you clear the venue as you investigate. Although with the angry mob outside, prudence may want to reconsider evacuating the attendees into the loving arms of the angry mob outside…

  • Anon Liberal

    Ann Coulter should be allowed to speak so that people can see how ridiculous she is.

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