I’m with the ‘intolerant’ Quebecers

MARK STEYN: The niqab deserves no more respect than a Vader mask

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:01am - 355 Comments
I’m with the ‘intolerant’ Quebecers

Photograph by Brian Howell

The other day, a reader wrote to say that, while en vacances au Québec, he had espied me in a restaurant. With a couple of obvious francophones. And, from the snatches of conversation he caught, I appeared to be speaking French. “Appeared” is right, if you’ve ever heard my French. Nevertheless: “You’re a fraud, Steyn!” he thundered. The cut of his jib was that I was merely pretending to be a pro-Yank right-wing bastard while in reality living la vie en rose lounging on chaises longues snorting poutine with louche Frenchie socialists all day long.

I haven’t felt such a hypocrite since I was caught singing The Man That Got Away in a San Francisco bathhouse two days after my column opposing gay marriage. But yes, you’re right. I cannot tell a lie. I have a soft spot for Quebec. Not because of its risible separatist movement, for which the only rational explanation is that it was never anything but one almighty bluff for shakedown purposes. Yet, putting that aside, I’m not unsympathetic to the province’s broader cultural disposition. I regard neither Trudeaupian Canada nor Quietly Revolutionary Quebec as good long-term bets, or even medium-term bets. But, if I had to pick, I’d give marginally better odds to the latter. And the reasons why can be found in the coverage of Ms. Naema Ahmed and her “illegal” niqab, the head-to-toe Islamic covering that only has eyes for you.

The facts—or, at any rate, fact—of the case is well-known: a niqab-garbed immigrant from Egypt has been twice expelled from her French-language classes at the Saint-Laurent CEGEP and the Centre d’appui aux communautés immigrantes by order of the Quebec government. That much is agreed. Thereafter, the English and French press diverge significantly. The ROC reacted reflexively, deploring this assault on Canada’s cherished “values” of “multiculturalism.” In the Calgary Herald, Naomi Lakritz compared Quebec’s government to the Taliban. So did the Globe and Mail, in an editorial titled “Intolerant Intrusion.” In La Presse, Patrick Lagacé responded with a column called “The Globe, Reporting From Mars!”

The headline was in English, and on the whole M. Lagacé’s English is better than the Globe’s French. He began by noting their unbelievably stupid editorial on O Canada, in which they endeavoured to balance their charge of sexism in the English lyrics (“in all thy sons command”) by uncovering sexism in the French—“terre de nos aïeux” or “land of our forefathers.” Where, fretted the Globe for a couple hundred words, are the foremothers? This is what happens when your claims to be Canada’s national newspaper rest on the translation services of Babel Fish. As M. Lagacé pointed out, “aïeux, en français, englobe hommes et femmes.” Englobe maybe, but not in Globe.

It’s not surprising, then, the anglo media wasn’t quite up to speed on “les nuances et les détails” of La Presse’s and the other French coverage. Ignored in the rush to raise the rainbow banner of multiculturalism were, for example, the teacher’s insistence that she needed to see the pupil’s mouth move to teach her a new language; Mme Ahmed’s demand that male pupils remove themselves from her line of sight; her refusal to participate in discussions round a table; the school administration’s attempt to accommodate these various difficulties; and, since Mme Ahmed has now gone to the Quebec “Human Rights” Commission, the right of the other students not to have their classes disrupted and their own attempts to learn French set back by one pupil’s intransigence.

In return, the Globe and Mail’s Margaret Wente redeemed her paper with a characteristically sharp column on the new “two solitudes”—French and English Canada’s different view of Islam, which she argued mirrored broader Franco-Britannic approaches. She’s right. France thought nothing of banning the veil in its educational establishments, whereas in Britain a teenage girl who took her school to court for the right to wear the full-body “jilbab” had as her lawyer none other than Cherie Booth, wife of then-prime minister Tony Blair.

On this one, I’m with the “intolerant” Quebecers. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a Common Law man. I like to be treated as an individual enjoying equality under the law, no more, no less. But these days that’s not on the menu in either English or French Canada. Instead, we have competing philosophies of group rights. In the ROC, the group rights that matter are those of leftist social engineers’ preferred minorities—gays, natives, Muslims, pre-op transsexuals. Quebec also prioritizes group rights, but in this case the group that matters is the majority—la collectivité. As I said, I rejoice in English law’s ancient disdain for the very concept of group rights. But, if I’m forced to choose between one view of group rights or the other, Quebec’s seems less psychologically unhealthy.

It’s the unthinkingness of the Anglo reaction that’s embarrassing: there’s a niqab-clad woman in the story? Oh, she must be the good guy. That’s Chapter One of Multiculti For Dummies, right? In the Quebec coverage, you at least get the sense they’re thinking through the questions. I dislike Islamic body bags and regard them as a form of degradation and an act of self-segregation. I say “Islamic,” but in fact as a mandatory expression of piousness they barely date back to the disco era. The niqab should command no more cultural respect than a guy walking into class in Darth Vader’s getup and demanding the women be removed from his line of vision. Except in the ROC they’d call in the Mounties over that. We would never for a moment view with equanimity large numbers of masked men on our streets. But how quickly we’ve got used to walking around, say, Tower Hamlets in East London and seeing more fully covered women than you do in Amman. Mme Ahmed’s views may be sincerely held, but, if so, they mean she can never be a functioning member of a pluralist Western society in any meaningful sense of the term. Given that the Quebec government is paying for her francization lessons, it is not unreasonable for them to reach that conclusion.

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  • Rob H

    This is absolute rubbish. Why don't men where Niqabs or Hijabs. You are a fake, Islam demeans women (takes the word of 4 women to 1 man in a sharia court), any children "belong" to the man, you are under the complete command of your husband, who in addition is allowed other wives. Can Muslim women have more than one husband? Ha.
    Its not just the Niqab that is incompatible with Canadian life, it is Islam in total. Muslims should not be allowed into Canada.

    • saeed

      eyy, men do not need to wear niqab s because, for ex you can walk top less no other guy is going to look at you, in Islam men and women are equal you cannot judge or characterize one Muslim as one, everyone is different. Islam doest-not demean a women get your facts right, you have to be a Muslim to understand this, but you should read more , because what you said is pure rubbish, and if a women had more than one husband who is the child belong too, read and understand this then reply " Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife. A woman undergoes several psychological and behavioral changes due to different phases of the menstrual cycle.
      A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex." so watch what you say true its freedom of speech but in the charter of rights read what it says " Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
      (a) freedom of conscience and religion;
      (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom
      of the press and other media of communication;
      (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
      (d) freedom of association.
      so you have no right to say they should be kicked out, and
      Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to
      the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in
      particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin,
      colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
      so get your facts right man everyone has the right from the law to do what they please and to live in peace and freedom any CULTURE OR RELIGION !!!!

      • mike

        ROB this guy saeed is telling you the truth the Muslims have the right to live they are human beings just like you and me there is no difference, everyone has the right to freedom of conscience and religion. so you cannot say we have to get ride of Muslims they are good people my neighbor is Muslim and i trust him with everything. i am a Christian and there are good and bad Christians same with Muslims there are good and bad.

        • Grant

          But this is not a discussion about good and bad Muslims, Mike. This is about a paranoid who wants to wear a shroud over her body and doesn't want men within her vision.

          If this is an example of Islam, and they appear to defend this misogynistic practice, then we must question whether we really want more Muslims in our country. While they have their customs, Canada has its customs also, and because we are in Canada our customs must take precedence over theirs. When Canadians are in Muslim run countries we are asked to follow their customs, often with force, and we do. Surely it's not too much to expect the same respect of them..

          • saeed

            with force give me an example of the with force no muslim country that any other enthicity or religion goes their doesnt get nay hardship your treated as a king ask anyone who visited there if you were miss treated on one country or by one person does not make all other muslim countrys making you fallow there customs by force for ex look at dubai or kuwait or qatar or saudi or emirates or jordan or egypt no one forces you

    • Jade

      Well said !

  • saeed

    this is rubbish, Muslim women are not oppressed, you do not now anything man get your facts right, they are the same as normal women but they are just covering , so other men do not look at her, except her husband read more man then reply
    we can see that hijab is a screen of privacy, Hijab is a screen of privacy?Niqab is a better screenHijab helps develop conscious of god {taqwa}?Niqab helps develop more taqwaHijab is a jihad that purifies the soul?Niqab is a greater jihadHijab is a protection for sisters?Niqab is a better protectionHijab is an assertion of Islamic identity?Niqab is a stronger assertionHijab is obligatory

    • Jade

      So, what happens if a man should look at a woman? Take your nonsense outlook of a woman being someone else's property back to where it belongs, in Islamabad. Its a protection ?? from what? So you're admitting it is an assertion of MUSLIM IDENTITY ?? I thought it was about some sort of purity? and yes, I am a woman.

  • Saeed

    first of all no they dont belive that women have small brains, and no non-mahrams does not mean non-muslim, lisen hun go learn about the religion understand what you say then come back and reply if you dont like it live with it read the charter of rights and freedoms, Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to
    the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in
    particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ETHNIC ORIGIN,
    colour, RELIGION, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

    • Grant

      As a good Muslim,Saeed, do you support the right of Homosexuals and their right to live their lives freely and openly as homosexuals??

  • Saeed

    first of all, men do not need to wear niqabs or jilbabs you no nothing about this religion, and everyone in canada muslim or not has the rights as a normal candaian would, we all have the freedom of religon, Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to
    the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in
    particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ETHNIC ORIGIN,
    colour, RELIGION, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
    i was not wearing a niqab,
    islam is already in candan muslims are everywhere is canada everyone is aloud to live peace fully so why not live in peace with your muclim neighbors

    • Grant

      "first of all, men do not need to wear niqabs or jilbabs you no nothing about this religion"

      I know what equal rights are though, Saeed, and if women are required to be modest, why not men? You travel around for a few days with your head and body covered in course cloth and you might feel quite differently. You might also appreciate the sunshine on your face.

      Certainly you have freedom of religion, and others have a right to bar you for inappropriate dress. It happens all the time and is accepted here, so you should get used to it.

      If you genuinely want to live in peace with Canadians then learn to dress appropriately to the occasion. What part of that do you not understand?

    • saeed

      i agree with you that there are terrorists but there are good and bad people same with the muslims there are good and bad, did you not that in the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) of the Bible says, in 1 Corinthians 11:4-7 : Any man who prays or propehsies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head–it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and relection of God; but woman is the reflection of man.
      So, yes, the New Testament of the Christian Bible says that women should cover their heads when they pray, and men should not. so in the bible it even says they must cover there hair, i told you befor women must cover there hair and body either with julbab or a long skirt you dont have to wear a niqab

  • MIKE

    most of us, its just a couple of you what did a muslim do to you, i am cristian and i belive they have the right to live just like you and me, if there are bad muslims there are good, if there a good chrisitnas then there is bad crisitians right, haha man read the chrter of rights the are aloud to belive what they want its the religion and it is legal in canada they are free this is a free country get YOUR FACTS RIGHT ,

  • Saeed

    screen that separates the public means that the niqab which only lets her husband look at her beauty and the jilbab, for ex if a rapist was walking by he saw a girl wearing tight jeans and a lady that is covered he cannot see anything who would he go for obviously the one who is showing her beauty, i believe that the niqab is not obligatory but the covering of the body and hair is, muslim women who were the jilbab and head scarf, is that women should be modest, and cover their beauties like their hair and their chest. At home among family and in front of their husband, Muslim women do not need to wear head scarves or jilbabs. and no muslim men do not belive women have small brains but they are eqaul just like men,they have the same rights as we do, right you are a women who has rights just like a man would in canada right.

    • Jade

      You are absolutely right about equal rights in Canada and western societies, but that is not the case in Islamic ideologies. You get the best of both worlds when it suits you. More often than not, I see muslim women wearing tight, revealing clothes and lots of makeup, with a hijab on the head ?? ! looks very hypocritical to me.

      • saeed

        you are right to but do you think everyone is the same there are good muslims who fallow the religion and there are some that just hold the name muslim but they dont fallow it,

        • jade

          If its a real religion, "modesty" should apply even in the home with husbands and friends. Your muslim self-image is false and we see through you. I knew someone who walked the streets covered in drapes and then looked like a half naked hooker at home (I accidentally happened to get a sneak peak). SO LEARN TO RESPECT THE NORMS OF OUR SOCIETY IF YOU CHOSE TO COME AND LIVE HERE.

  • Katie Smith

    "I'm with the intolerant Quebecers" ya you would be Mr. Steyn. And though I could not disagree with you more, my version of tolerance includes allowing you to have your own opinion and even to express it in your uniquely provocative way … let me know if you get called up again by the thought police for comparing the niqab to Darth Vader … I'll stand up for your right to be a politically incorrect jerk any day (Don't get offended you know you do it deliberately)

    … but I wonder why you won't give the same type of tolerance to these women whose only crime is to follow a tradition you, and apparently a surprising number of Macleans bloggers, don't like and don't agree with …

    Fundamentally my question to all those spouting defence of our society and civil rights is – what possible difference does it make to me or you that some Islamic women wear the niqab? I am all for practicality and expect that some times in some places, we cannot accommodate everyone … but is this really the point to draw the line?

    I am not as concerned about where you or anyone else stands on the issue as I am about why you care.

    Let them be I say. This is an embarrassment not only for Quebec but for anyone who pretends that Canada is a tolerant society.

    • jade

      Is that your real name? if its really your name, its time to wake ujp.

    • saeed

      this is beutifull your amazing this is true

  • ron h

    I will never come to terms with Canada allowing a language law that suppresses the other official language as a means of promoting French. When governments pass repressive laws democracy dies. here in Quebec it's a language law complete with a police force and a full government department ensuring compliance,. Yet another department vetoes what it considers to be unacceptable first names of newborn children when parents request an official birth certificate. The smoking police,the garbage and recycling police,anonymous complaints leading to charges, and now a what one can wear law…….man,what a great democracy….the rest of Canada should follow suit and teach the world what real democracy is…you know like what they have in some Middle East and African countries.

  • nano

    What an unwelcome burden. Who lets these freaks into Canada? They have no intention of becoming normal Canadians. Go home Naema Ahmed and take all your backwards relatives with you. Bravo to Quebec for standing up to these weirdos.

  • David

    I am a male working in a large Unisex Family Haircare Salon chain in Ontario. We welcome everybody without exceptions in our salon. Recently, we've been asked to accomodate women wearing head coverings. Our salon is open concept. We don't really have a proper station that provides complete privacy. My employer has decided that me must honour their request for privacy but they aren't providing a private room. What they are doing is bringing them to the back half of the salon which is sort of separated (by a quarter wall) and requesting that all male customers and myself stay away and divert their eyes. Since this is where the washrooms and lunch room are, I must eat elsewhere as well as use the washroom at another business. Male clients asking for services that require the stations set up in the back are refused service until the woman has left. Discuss…

  • Desmondo

    You wonder why we fear the Niqab ! See this :
    http://tinyurl.com/yajcale

  • ColdStanding

    Is Steyn even trying anymore? It really feels like he has been dialing it in for the past year or so. After reading his articles it seems like he just slaps them together. Can't we get some other author's opinion pieces? There have got to be other writers that could occupy his spot with a little more zest.

  • Fucius

    Niqab expresses adhesion to sharia law.
    Although the niqab is recent, sharia law dates back to muhammad.

    What does sharia say about freedom of religion ?
    That people born into islam must remain muslim or be killed.
    No freedom at all.

    What about people who are not muslim ?
    Why, they better not talk muslims into changing their faith, even inadvertently.
    For that is punishable of – guess what: death.

    Now, what sense is there to ganting benefits of freedom of conscience to people who express their intention to eradicate this freedom ?

  • Trim

    Mr. Steyn has this remarkable ability to attract a lot of response to his rants . Now the problem is that Majority of Muslims also support that ban on veil and has no problem with Quebec on that issue , while Mr. Steyn really wants to hate all Muslims in Canada and this does not work very well, now you will have to pretend that you do not hate Muslims and people of color , you just hate some idiotic actions,makes it complicated !. Those who look like John A Macdonald must get more respect and preferential treatment than those who look like Obama , if Mr. Steyn had his way.
    How difficult it is for you to contain your racism Mr. Steyn ! or you love to reveal it intentionally to the sheer delight of like minded racists who choose to remain silent but love to see you rant ! , You are doing a good job, the only alternative to a healthy debate is you, Those who want to build a Holocaust museum in every small town in Canada are even more respectable that John A Macdonald , Now you can not disagree on that for sure!
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  • egyed

    Hello Steyn,
    I am counting on you this week. Too much stupidity in the news: "killing ones daughter for coming home late, or causing similar blemishes to ones family is not cultural"; expecting that hosts of the world's greatest sport event respect their guests' (millions, if we include TV spectators) right to enjoy their game without a violent, and deafening, noise: "it is Africa's sound, so if you don't like it – good riddance".
    Your voice is needed in these matters.

  • Albertan

    Question 1: If the hijab should be accommodated, why not the KKK head covering? Their symbolism is almost identical. The hijab wearer simply hates a broader group.

    Question 2: Why are the men in her class not crying sexism?

  • Branka

    I have just listened to your Youtube interview on your book America Alone on Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson. As I could not find the opportunity to comment on Youtube, I hope you won't mind me making my comment here.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that you make no mention of Bosnia and Kosovo in this interview. Bosnia was just like those "friendly Stans" you mention in the USSR before the breakup. The US radicalised Bosnia. The mujahedeen who trained in Bosnia have been very active in the US and UK since. As for Kosovo, it is the breeding ground for drugs, people trafficking and radicalisation. The Saudis have built more mosques than you can count while over 150 Christian Orthodox churches and monasteries, some dating from the XIVth century, have been dynamited, gutted and used as urinals. Kosovo has been torn away by the Muslim Albanians from it's Serbian heartland. The EULEX crew out there has just given what remains of these jewels of History to the Albanian police to "guard". Would you leave your sheep to be looked after by a wolf?!?!

  • Chev

    ¨Canada’s state ideology says, if you can get here, you’re as Canadian as Sir John A. Macdonald¨

    Didn't he say ¨A Britisher I was born, a Britisher I will die"?

  • sandrafting

    Interesting how it is that English Canada is considered "intolerant" and yet the Muslim/Islamic community is never referenced with that word. I've always marvelled how immigrants want to come to our house and then change the furniture and paint the walls to their tastes and customs.

  • http://www.financialcrisisblog.org/ financial_opera

    Niqab is not Islamic. Covering of the face by women is nowhere mentioned in Qur'an, and the opinions of Islamic legal scholars on it are not unanimous. The Hanafi school of Islamic law, which is most widespread among Muslims, specifically rules out face covering, on the basis of women's needs while dealing normally with men, in commerce and elsewhere. In traditional Islam, men are called on to act modestly, and women are not ordered to disfigure and subordinate themselves by masking their features. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said that women making the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca should not cover their faces or wear gloves, although in their typically perverse manner, Saudi Wahhabi clerics now seek to impose it upon them even then.

    Millions of Muslim women around the world do not wear so-called Islamic dress, but have retained local customary garments, which do not distort their form or personality. Many have adopted the same fashions as Western or Far-Eastern women. Women in Hejaz, the Western Arabian region in which the holy cities of Mecca and Medina are located, did not, in the past, cover their faces, and increasingly protest against the imposition of this practice.

    The radicals who promote niqab try to pretend that a woman becomes a "better Muslim" by covering her face. This concept is no more Islamic than niqab itself. In traditional Islam, division of Muslims between the good and the bad, aside from those who have committed terrorist or criminal acts, will be decided by God, not by men or women.

    According to established Islamic guidance, Muslims who migrate to non-Muslim societies are required to accept and obey the laws and customs of the countries to which they move. Attempts to introduce niqab into Western countries represent an obvious violation of this principle.

  • Jadzia

    From the stories in French, it was not a "My way or your way approach". Now, I don't pretend to know what really happened, just what was reported in the news. The teacher did try to accomodate Mrs. Ahmed. She was never asked to remove the niqab in front of the class for example. She was asked to remove it only in front of her teacher, a woman, for the oral part of the class only.

    What seems to have happen is:
    - Mrs Ahmed would have to reveal our face only to her teacher.
    - For the oral presentation, she was facing away from the class, so that no one other than the teacher (a female) would see her face

    They say that at first, it did work, but then Mrs Ahmed was asking for more and more, ranging from asking men to change places, to simply refusing to revealing her face in any circumstances.

    That's when she was expelled: when she stopped cooperating.

    She still have the possibility to take the online course. Or she could decide to go back to wearing the hijab, which she wore until just a few years ago.

    I'm from Quebec (living in Ontario now). I don't see more or less intolerant people in Ontario or in Quebec. The question is not whether or not we want to accept people with other values, culture or religion, but more: do we want to put up with those making extreme decisions, often not even accepted in their original countries? I think we shouldn't.

  • Dieter

    Islam can be a religion with an attitude far more potent than Christianity as practiced by the aging lefties who attend the United Church of Canada. Case in point, we can trash Christian points of view any time we like without fear of reprisal. But try it with Islam and it's a whole different set of circumstances. That's why our lefties feel completely safe when they participate in the annual Hate Fest. I'd like to see them or any group of Canadians have an annual anti-Burka week.

  • Joël Cuerrier

    Dieter, we had the Renaissance and the Enlightenment

    The Muslim World missed out on that.

    We had the Marquis de Sade, Rimbaud and Nietzsche.

    We're not running backward to figure out we can't be as free as we were to think the way we did. We must remember that Blasphemy is a fine art. Saying Mary was a Jewish Whore is A-OK by me… and so is saying that Mohammed was a mass-murdering pedophile.

    The Marquis would roll in his grave if he could see how, 200 years later, we are that politically correct about "diversity". We are in a grossly reactionnary era, heading for a new dark age. We understood the world before. Now, we are just sorry.

    It use to be there was the civilised world and the barbarians. Since the Romans it's been that way. Ethnologues figured we were all equals. They were wrong, Zimbabwe is not as good as Québec. Sudan is not as great as Sweden. The United States is a much more advanced civilisation than Pakistan. Sorry, it is just that way. It's not racist, it's just a fact, they have a long uphill battle to fight to build themselves up to be as we are. We all can help out our fellow men, but they must rise up to follow our model. Liberal democracies is just a superior model, get on with the program. If you don't believe it is, go try another, emigrate out of Canada.

  • webster

    Well, that's an interesting point about the conversion from the hijab to the niqab. Unfortunately for Ms. Ahmed, it lends credence to the idea that Muslims do not wish to integrate and instead will flagrantly display their superior "otherness" in the infidel's lair. I honestly do not know what else to make of a person who, after immigrating to a free and democratic country, would choose to alienate herself even further by wearing an even more extreme, politicized garment. Seems to me Ahmed will continue to find it difficult to succeed in a country she wishes to have no part of.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

    "Do we want to put up with those making extreme decisions, often not even accepted in their original countries?"

    Could you please outline all forms of clothing which you feel are 'extreme' so that the rest of us can avoid conflicting with your world view?

    Thanks.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Viva_Vivian Viva_Vivian

    Are we clear on what racism is, though? I read in the Metro the other day how "racist" universities are. A Mr. Khan said he was so hurt when his white professor (white was stressed) said "I know some of you here are ESL students." This is new age racism. The fact that the majority in Toronto will be non-native English speakers in 20 years is forgotten; the fact that immigrants are shuttled into major cities is left aside; the fact that as a a student, speaking anecdotally, I encounter non-regional dialects more often than I do not is tripe. We can't even call a spade a spade lest that spade feel offended. Maybe we need to start showing my generation MISSISIPPI BURNING or AMISTAD if they want to know what racism is.

    This is coming from the same idiotic camp that said Ryerson isn't diverse enough and recommended black professors be hired over all others. Isn't it racist to hire someone on the basis of skin colour? Or does that not apply when the colour has pigmentation?

  • Asterix

    I'm quebecer and appreciate the quality of the debate here. So glad our divide being mostly on the linguistic (intellectual) level, compared to those bloody religious (irrational) conflicts that plague so many parts of the world.

    Extolments to Mr. Steyn

  • http://www.whycanadamustend.com Tony Kondaks

    PART I

    Quebec has long been intolerant of human rights in other areas than the niqab and in ways that affect millions. And it really isn't a case of competing views on groups, collectivities, and whatnot.

    It is simple, straightforward segregation of rights. Telling some people that they can't do what other people can do simply because of the group that they belong to.

    And it's not entirely Quebec's fault. Canada has segregation of rights constitutionally entrenched. And I'm not talking about the Indian Act but a law in Quebec (supported by the Canadian constitution) which segregates all individuals into two separate and distince civil rights categories: those that have the free choice to send their children to English or French publicly-funded schools and those that can only send them to French-publicly funded schools. And one's placement in either of the two civil rights groups is determined by who your parents are and what their classification is and this classification is handed down from generation to generation solely by virtue of the parent/child connection. The universally recognized principle that all are equal before the law does not apply.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

    Perhaps your idea of success and that of an agent provocateur for Islam and sharia are two different things.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

    Not all Muslims webster. In all of this, we should still be careful not to completely generalize when someone acts, in our views, unreasonable.

  • NeedAWiseGuy?

    If people come to Canada from another country, they should come knowing how to behave like a Canadian not like a *insert Nationality here*. If they want to behave as they did in their home country, why not return, where their beliefs and values are not going to be rejected. Honnestly if this lady in the article really wants her niqijaballa or whatever, she can go where it's accepted, say, somewhere off the North American continent.

  • Andre

    The niqab is nothing but an expression of an antiquated religious sect, with the result, among other things, oflooking like a complete mentally challenged buffoon-ness. Allowing such an atrocity would be like entrusting retarded people with balancing the federal budget.

  • Katie Smith

    So much for freedom of religion … what about yamulkas? What about drinking wine (or grape juice if you are protestant) for the body of Christ? What about crosses with the Lord's Prayer inscribed on them? Are they not symbols of religious sects which some may say are antiquated? What about turbans or reclining Buddhas? Shall we outlaw all these things too?

    Freedom of religion generally means that you can practice your religion, whether stupid practice or not, and as long as it doesn't affect the rest of us then go ahead. Pray five time to Mecca or don't eat fish on Fridays or hop on one foot every full moon it is all the same When it comes to religion, there is no such thing as objectively reasonable or not, In fact the one common characteristic of most religious practices is that, taken out of context and divorced from meaning, they are all, almost all, pretty silly.

    The niqab doesn't hurt anyone except maybe the wearer … and that my friends means it is none of our business.

  • hoppah

    "Mme Ahmed’s views may be sincerely held, but, if so, they mean she can never be a functioning member of a pluralist Western society in any meaningful sense of the term. "

    I'm certain that she has no intention of ever being a "functioning member of a pluralist Western society." She and her ilk intend to abolish "pluralist Western society."

    H.

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