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The insight of Shelly Glover

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:27pm - 99 Comments

CBC’s Power & Politics reported this evening—available at the 24:30 mark here—on a study of current and projected prison spending by the Conservative government. To discuss the findings, the CBC turned—starting at the 28:40 mark—to a panel of MPs, including Conservative Shelly Glover. Ms. Glover, a former police officer, first suggested that “numbers can be skewed any which way you want, depending on who’s doing them.” She did, though, concede that spending will increase. Host Evan Solomon then moved on to Liberal Mark Holland and New Democrat Joe Comartin.

After Mr. Holland and Mr. Comartin had been permitted to offer their thoughts, Mr. Solomon turned back to Ms. Glover with a specific question about spending on rehabilitation. Ms. Glover’s answer was as follows.

There’s a problem when you talk about numbers. First and foremost, when you talk about that number you just provided, does that include things that perhaps don’t cost money? For example, in our prison systems, we promote reunification of families. That doesn’t cost a dime. We promote that our inmates visit counsellors when they need to speak to someone. That doesn’t cost a dime. So, again, numbers can be skewed any which way, but I do take issue with the misleading comments made by my colleagues. I worked in this system. I’ll tell you straightforward, Canadians are seeing an increase in crime. I don’t care what Stats Canada has reported because they only count reported crime. They do not count unreported crimes. And as a police officer, I’ll tell you, I worked sex crimes for four and a half years, 92% of sex crime victims do not report their crime. Because they don’t have faith in the justice system, they’re fearing retribution, they really do have a number of reasons for not reporting. And the other thing is, let’s not forget, the Liberals have an interest here because, predominantly, prison inmates vote Liberal during elections. Cops vote Conservative. There is a clear interest for the prisoners to be voting for soft on crime legislation that the Liberals put forward.

Sadly, CBC had to cut away then to a UN press conference.

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  • wilson

    Prisoners exercise their right to vote
    Jan. 11 2006

    CTV.ca News Staff

    Friday was voting day for prisoners across Canada. About 35,000 were eligible to vote, and many seemed to be voting Liberal in order to protect privileges that Conservatives threaten to take away.

    "We're all voting for the Liberals, just because we want to keep our vote," Jeff Power, an inmate at Manitoba's Stony Mountain facility told CTV Winnipeg. "We don't want to lose rights like our TVs, stuff like that."

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe…

    • Pat

      Are you suggesting that because one man says this, it must be true of all prisoners?

      That's quite the statement.

      • wilson

        Note, I didn't say one word, not one…..CTV (bet there's video to go with it) said it.
        I seem to remember 'vote Liberal' signs hanging out of prison windows,
        if I get a chance, I'll see if I can hunt that article down for yah…..

        But to answer your question, no, I'm sure he is the only prisoner that votes Liberal,
        the rest really like Harper's tough on crime agenda.

        • Jan

          Blame the Conservatives – if this is true they've given prisoners the motivation to vote against them.

        • Gayle

          I am guessing that is why the poster used the word "suggesting".

          And your analysis is flawed. Unless you have a number of polls that say all inmates vote liberal, or even most of them, you are talking out of your hat.

          It is obvious you know absolutely nothing about what leads people to crime, and what kinds of people commit crime. You are making an assumption based on nothing but your own bigotry.

          It is not that I am surprised by that. I just thought I would point it out…again.

  • Jon Pertwee

    quelle surprise…. rolls eyes

  • wilson

    ''…Violent crime charges — everything from criminal harassment and assault to robbery and murder — have largely stagnated in Ontario’s major cities,
    but the opposite appears to be the case in the less populated centres, where the number of serious charges laid between 2000 and 2007 spiked last year by nearly 25 per cent.

    The number of weapons charges shot up in all but four Ontario communities during the seven years covered by the provincewide statistics, which are compiled according to courthouse location and provided online by the Ministry of the Attorney General.

    But it was in the towns and cities with fewer than 100,000 residents where weapons charges doubled during the same period,
    rising at a dramatically faster pace than in the province’s larger cities…''
    http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews.com/ArticleDis…

  • Jon Pertwee

    maybe you had your beer goggles on again AT1

  • AT1

    I never drink before noon – beer and popcorn money only goes so far these days you know!
    And you might want check out this:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/otta…

    • MacLean's Regular

      "I never drink before noon…"

      A paragon of temperance. obviously.

      • AT1

        Nope, I just like make sure I'm over my hangover from the night before.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

    Harper sends out these twits to pacify the base. They require zero logic and less fact to make their arguments and the bedrock cons eat it up – ya I guess it is the truthiness factor.

    Then "we" (a few of the chattering classes) spend a few blog-cycles or even news-cycles decrying the depths to which the Pierre-P's, Dean Del's & Helene G's and the rest of the con-brain-trust are dragging us.

    Meanwhile the "swing voters" are happily filing their tax returns with $1,500 reno-credit-gift-horses, ignoring the "silly politicians" in Ottawa.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

    "And the other thing is, let’s not forget, the Liberals have an interest here because, predominantly, prison inmates vote Liberal during elections. Cops vote Conservative. There is a clear interest for the prisoners to be voting for soft on crime legislation that the Liberals put forward."

    LMAO!!!!

  • Matlock

    I remember that interview (though I can't seem to remember either if it was CBC or CTV). Can't remember the officer's name, but he was a senior official with the Toronto Police, on the operation side of things. He supported the long gun registry, saying his officers used it regularly.

    The funny thing was either earlier or later in the same show Vic Toews was interviewed, and he said from discussions he had with police officers he believed they didn't use the registry. This left the awkward perception that Vic Toews was suggesting he knew more about what front line police officers do than a senior police official. It's a shame Tom Clark/Evan Solomon didn't push the minister further on that perception – would've liked to have heard the minister's response.

  • Matlock

    Found the interview!

    http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20…

    Superintendent Greg Getty of the Toronto Police Service, who lead the guns and gangs task force.

  • common man

    When I read SE`s comment above, I took it that it was making fun of the fact that the police think the gun registrys` main purpose is to check up on expired licenses.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

    All this rage and inability to get their party to stop supporting the CPC agenda.

    Only five points behind this week. Heck its an improvement from Fall 2009 when the gap was over ten points.

    Makes you wonder if they have a blue pill for some of these posters.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Blamo Blamo

    That's a huge aprt of the problem with pretend-to-be-tough-on-crime rhetoric is that it never has to solve the very problem it purports to target.
    If crime rates go up, well then, "we've got to get even tougher!"
    If they go down, well, they are going down, and you see the type of legislation and rhetoric they offer.

  • WMD

    A country with declining crime rates and plans to greatly increase it's inmate population is twirling towards a very unhappy destination.

    As the increases in penal spending approach a billion dollars, said spending will need to be justified.

    Then likely attempts to privatize…

  • Anon ABC

    And as a police officer, I’ll tell you, I worked sex crimes for four and a half years, 92% of sex crime victims do not report their crime.

    If they are unreported, how did she come up with the 92% figure? Do police officers undergo a logic test during recruitment or did she just slip through the cracks?

    • Daon

      Anytime I hear "as a police officer" their voice is replaced with pigs grunting at the trough. Do your job with the resources we give you or find another line of work. That's the REAL Conservative way!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PeteTong PeteTong

    Sounds like she used what PW would describe as a bucket argument/defense and then ended with aggressive partisan venom.

  • MacLean's Regular

    "Are you suggesting that because one man says this, it must be true of all prisoners?"

    Of course she is.

  • Gayle

    Rates of reporting violent incidents to the police remained stable between 1999 and 2004. In 1999, 31% of violent incidents were reported to the police, compared with 33% of incidents in 2004. This difference was not statistically significant.

    The seriousness of the offence, whether the victim was injured, whether a weapon was present and whether the victim had to take time off from their main activity were factors that tended to increase rates of reporting a violent incident to the police. For example, in 2004, rates of reporting to the police were 1.5 times higher when the victim was injured (47% versus 28%), and more than double for incidents involving weapons compared to those where no weapon was involved (53% versus 25%).

  • http://efsdp.org Russell Barth

    Nicholson has admitted that these crime bills are designed to give canadians – largely misinformed, fearful, willfully ignorant, punishment-happy, media-and-junk-food-addled nincompoops – a sense that justice was being served. He admits that he is pandering to people misplaced fears.

    The Harperites are all about fear and punishment. twisted perverts is what they are.

  • Gayle

    A couple more tidbits:

    The rates of reporting remained stable between 1999-2004, and the minor drop was seen as being statistically insignificant.

    Glover is also wrong about why crimes are not reported. It has nothing to do with fear of retribution. It is because people did not want to report minor offences to the police.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-630-x/2008001/art…

  • Gayle

    Finally, most victims of sexual offences also happen to be gay.

    Do you think there might be a reason they do not want to go to the police? The police may not be very open, and prone to stigmiting perhaps???

  • Gayle

    I would go further Russell. I think the government is trying to instill fear in Canadians.

    Here are some links I posted above:

    Did you know that the vast majority of Canadians are happy with our justice system and feel safe? I wonder why Glover did not mention that?

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-565-x/2005001/fin…

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