Are real estate agents ripping you off?

High fees. Hidden data. It’s the realtor racket.

by By Jason Kirby and Chris Sorensen on Thursday, April 1, 2010 11:01am - 180 Comments
The Realtor Racket

Photographs by Deddeda

From the moment Robert Peden chose to sell his Victoria home, he was adamant not one penny would go to a full-service real estate agent. Instead, Peden is doing what a small but growing number of Canadian homeowners have opted to do—handle the sale on his own. “I’m not prepared to pay full-service real estate commissions because they’re totally out of whack,” he says. “No realtor is worth that kind of money.”

Tough words. But Peden isn’t just any aggrieved home seller. Thirty years ago he worked as a real estate agent himself. And he’s disturbed by what he’s seen happen over that time. Then, as now, commissions amounted to about five to seven per cent of a home’s sale price. But because the typical 1970s house sold at a fraction of today’s eye-popping levels, real estate commissions were around $2,500. Today, with Peden’s home worth an estimated $460,000, the commissions might easily hit $25,000. Even after factoring in inflation, realtor’s fees have exploded in size, and it’s left him wondering: what exactly do real estate agents do now that they didn’t 30 years ago to warrant such a staggering increase in pay? “The problem with realtors today is they’re more order takers than salesmen,” he says. “Honest to God, I think a used car salesman works harder at selling a car and earns a fifth of what these people make.”

When it comes to Canada’s other favourite pastime, real estate, griping about realtors is right up there with gossiping about house prices at cocktail parties and picking out marble countertops. But in recent weeks, the backlash against real estate commissions has taken on a more urgent tone. The Canadian Competition Bureau has set its sights on the way realtors have, for decades, operated and charged for their services, and in February it filed charges with the Competition Tribunal claiming realtors are engaged in anti-competitive behaviour. The Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) has fought back, labelling the accusations “fundamentally misconceived.” But however the battle plays out, don’t expect realtors to give up the outdated and expensive system for buying and selling homes without a fight. Critics call it a monopoly, and it’s made many in the industry very well off.

The crux of the competition bureau’s argument is simple, even if the process of untang­ling the alleged real estate monopoly is not. The dispute revolves around the control real estate boards exert over the multiple listing service, or MLS, the vast national storehouse of available properties. The system is owned and operated by CREA, and by some estimates 90 per cent of all home sales go through the MLS system, a stripped-down version of which is available to prospective home buyers on the Web. As it stands, only registered agents can list homes on the service, and because of that iron lock, the bureau says sellers are forced to pay for services they don’t need. The agency says the rules have also prevented agents from offering alternative pricing options to consumers based on lower levels of service.

CREA has attempted to head off a court battle with the bureau. Last month, its members voted to tweak some of its rules. Under the new terms, sellers can pay agents a flat fee of a few hundred dollars to list their homes on MLS, without having to hire the agent for the entire sale process. The group also modified rules that blocked sellers from posting their phone numbers alongside their listings. The new measures haven’t satisfied the competition watchdog, though, which is reportedly concerned that local real estate boards have also been granted powers to enact their own sets of regulations down the road. The worry is local boards could erect new roadblocks to competition from discount real estate brokers, and the bureau would then have to go after each board separately.

While the competition bureau has had an eye on the industry for decades, the current dispute stems in large part from the efforts of one man, Lawrence Dale, a Toronto real estate lawyer. Eight years ago, Dale and his cousin, Stephen Moranis, whose mother was the first female president of the Toronto Real Estate Board, launched Realtysellers after seeing the business potential for a discount brokerage. The idea was to allow clients to choose from a menu of different à la carte services, including flat-fee listings on MLS. “I saw the opportunity to be the Charles Schwab of the industry,” says Dale, who previously headed the company that bought the Toronto Blue Jays’ SkyDome stadium (now Rogers Centre) in 1999, and is the former owner of Toronto’s Chestnut Park Real Estate.

While Dale says he expected to encounter resistance from the industry, he claims he was not prepared for the all-out battle that followed. He is currently suing CREA and the Toronto Real Estate Board for implementing new rules that ultimately forced Realtysellers out of business in 2006 by requiring an agent who lists a home on MLS to remain the agent of the seller throughout the entire process. He says his case finally attracted the attention of the competition bureau, which argued in its application to the tribunal that the restrictions placed on the use of MLS “have virtually eliminated suppliers of fee-for-service real estate brokerage services in Canada.” For its part CREA said in court filings Realtysellers suspended operations because of impending disciplinary proceedings by the Real Estate Council of Ontario.

CREA declined to make anyone available to be interviewed, citing its ongoing legal battle. But the primary defence put forth by realtors who don’t want others gaining access to the rich store of data in the MLS system is: we built it, it’s ours. The database was established nearly half a century ago, and over the years the realtors’ association has spent tens of millions maintaining it.

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  • Ryck Marciniak

    There are two critical issues in this discussion. First, despite Carolyne Lederer's comments, there are many instances of real estate agents not delivering value to their clients. And, it is all about providing value. Most of us would agree that if we receive value, we are willing to pay.

    Next, there is the issue of the real estate pricing system based on a percentage of the property's selling price. The real estate industry needs to offer a reasonable explanation as to why their prices are five times higher for million dollar home versus. It is the fluctuation to the costs of selling a home that puzzle many.

    Our world is being transformed, much of it due to the advances and pervasiveness of technology. Someone tried to sell a town on eBay, for example. Despite this, the real estate industry has the opportunity to remain relevant, but they need to reinvent themselves and offer good value for a reasonable price.

  • Ryck Marciniak

    There are two critical issues in this discussion. First, despite Carolyne Lederer's comments, there are many instances of real estate agents not delivering value to their clients. And, it is all about providing value. Most of us would agree that if we receive value, we are willing to pay.

    Next, there is the issue of the real estate pricing system based on a percentage of the property's selling price. The real estate industry needs to offer a reasonable explanation as to why their prices are five times higher for million dollar home versus a $200,000 home.

    Our world is being transformed, much of it due to the advances and pervasiveness of technology. Someone tried to sell a town on eBay, for example. Despite this, the real estate industry has the opportunity to remain relevant, but they need to reinvent themselves and offer good value for a reasonable price.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FarFromAway FarFromAway

    Excellent comment Bill. I hope others take some time to read this.

  • Carolyne L

    To Wolf's comment:
    Exactly – Header is Inflammatory. So sad and so wrong.

    In a book I recently read, authored by a reporter who was debating in her head as to how, exactly, she could best present the topic she was addressing that day, these words, below, appear:

    "Journalist's Code of Ethics," she wrote, "instructed:" [and her italics in following quote]
    "Seek Truth and Report It. Seek Truth. Report It. And Minimize Harm." [sic] ~ American reporter, Frankie Bard, writing in 1941, and quoted by author Sarah Blake, Washington, DC, writing in 2010.

    Question: Do journalists today subscribe to this code of ethics? http://www.Carolyne.com ~ BurlingtonHomes@Carolyne.com

  • Dar K

    when we sold our first house the agent we had also expected to be the one to help us with our next house. When we used another agent to purchase our next house he took it out on our sale. He also "forgot" to hand in the papers for the sellers insurance, so when we had a problem we were without the protection he promised us. I think not all are crooked but the one we had sure was. Lesson don't sign in for the 3 month contract for showing your house or you will get stuck.

  • http://www.vijaygandhi.com Vijay Gandhi

    I support this article, this puts away the really greedy agents and enhance the real agents in the market which is good for the efficiency of the trade, plus i think we should encourage apprenticeship like other trades for this business too. Getting licence should not enough to serve.also sellers should be open to choose all services openly and without border or limitations.
    This is free country = if seller like to pay based on services they get they should be allowed accordingly..

  • Brandon

    Living in Van and seeing first hand how ridiculous the housing market can get, I'm glad to see articles like this one. When my wife and I wanted to buy our first place, w met an agent, Susan Ninow of Prudential, to see if she would work for us. She said she would be our agent if we agreed to sign a contract paying her $10,000 for her services. I'm not kidding. Plus she was going to collect the commission nornally given by the seller! In her defense she said she usually only deals with selling so this was her insurance incase we took a long time to buy. Well we didn't use her thats for sure but after that I realized this industry is sleazy and probably has a lot of Susan Ninows in it. Too bad. It seems wrong that a place to live and raise a family or just feel safe and comfortable in has turned into an industry all about the money.

  • Samantha

    It's very simple people- if it's a good market= Sell your own house. Nobody is begging you to do otherwise. Congratulations if you do!
    If you are buying, use a realtor, it's free generally, and if you choose not to, then go ahead, buy at your own risk.
    If you are willing to pay $15,000+ a year in fees to be a realtor, then I encourage you to try. It's not a slam dunk. Only 1 out of 4 make it in the field over 2 years, and that 's a UBC stat.
    Sorry people, it takes intelligence, time and a certain type of person whom is willing to be on call 24/7 for the public.
    Realtors work hard, and most don't make it.
    It's true that the average Realtor makes less then $40,000 a year. So if they make one sale a month at $10,000, keep in mind, they may not make another until 6 months down the road.
    Are you able to do that? Pay $1,000+ a month and gamble on paying your bills?

    • Freemarketer

      Samantha….your point is moot!!…..The only issue of significance is how much money comes out of the seller's pocket.I'm not interested in where this mysterious 5% goes towards &/or how much an agent makes.The lawyers do all the work.I've sold 4 homes on my own already.It's almost too simple….Welcome to the 21st century!!

  • Samantha

    There are very high standards morally and ethically for Realtors. So if you feel you weren't treated fairly by a Real Estate professional, then report them to the CREA. It will only weed out the bad ones.
    It's not a 2 month course, and realtors have to take courses all year long to maintain their licenses. Most realtors have their sub-mortgage brokers' license also, if licensed before 2006.

  • Contractor4 hire

    Bottom line is that selling a house isn't rocket science. In fact the you don't even need an agent. Agents will always have you believe that what they do is something extraordinary. The paper work an agent does isn't much. In fact its the lawyer who does the paper work. In fact lenders/Mortgage companies will not release any funds for a transaction unless all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed. I sold two homes private. 12 days after putting a sign on my lawn it was sold. The 2nd person to view it bought it. The lawyers did the transaction and I saved myself almost 18k in commission. I had 3 agents come by and evaluate the home and I also looked at the houses that sold with in the last 12 months and based the asking price on that. 18k in commission to walk a few buyers through my home and filling out an offer sheet isn't worth I don't think so. Agents are NOT worth the commission they charge.

  • Robert P.L. Peden

    I SOLD THE HOUSE MYSELF AND DID NOT PAY THE HIGH COST OF A REALTOR WHICH WOULD HAVE AMOUNTED TO OVER $17,500 AND IT COST ME LESS THEN $1,700 IN ADVERTISING, MARKETING, TRAVEL, ACCOMODATION & SUNDRIES. SO I SAVED MYSELF ALMOST $16,000 AND DID A FAR BETTER JOB THAN THEY COULD HAVE EVER DONE!!!
    ALSO IT TOOK ME LESS THAN A MONTH TO SELL IT, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS REALTORS FROM DFH REALTY SHELBOURNE (2 WEEKS) AND 1% REALTY VICTORIA (3 1/2 MONTHS) AND PRODUCED NOTHING AND WHINED CONSTANTLY ABOUT LOWERING THE PRICE TO SELL IT!!!

    • Robert P.L. Peden

      From Robert P.L. Peden. Just so our ardent readers do not get the wrong impression of my comment above. Initially we did attempt to list the property because back last November/09 we could not get away to do it ourselves because of commitments made. We first gave the listing to a so called friend whose office proceeded to screw it up because of lack of a full service commission. I fired them 2 weeks later as all they did was waste my time. The second one had 1 Open House and then generally wasted 3 1/2 months of our time. I fired her and undertook the sale myself and produced a sale to close quickly to a couple who truly appreciate what they have purchased. To them I wish them the same happiness in the home that I enjoyed for so many years.

  • qwerty

    Buyers don't pay commision right. WRONG!

    Buyers pay both the buyers agents commission and the sellers agents commission.

    Let's say a house sells for $400,000 with $20,000 in realtor fees. What just happened? The buyer paid $380,000 to the seller for the house, paid $10,000 to his agent, and paid $10,000 to the sellers agent. The bottom line is that 3 parties got paid, and only won paid out money. The buyers is the ONLY one paying money in the transaction.

    The sooner buyers start to realize less, and stop falling the for the realtor lies of saying "as a buyer you don't pay anything to use an agent" the sooner buyers will stop using agents.

    The sooner buyers stop using agents. Anyone can go look at houses on your own, you don't need an agent to show you where the bathroom is. Your lawyer does the paperwork for you.

    Take the above example, and instead the buyers pays $390,000 without any agents involved. The seller nest $10k more, the buyers save $10k. Win-win situation. Stop using agents, they are glorified middle men. You only need a lawyer.

  • buyersDOpay

    If an agent tells a buyers "Yes, I can show you houses, I will charge you $10,000". So the buyer says "no thanks, I will look on my own."

    Instead, the agent says "Yes, I can show you houses, it won't cost you anything." So the buyer says "OK."

    So now the seller has to pay the buyer's agent, but in reality the buyer is paying his own agent because the seller has to add it to his price in order to get his net price.

    So buyers flock to agents because the thinks it's free. Then they pay an inflated price.

  • Dismayed

    We NEED an Independent Watch Dog…NOT "RECO" how can an Industry Investigate itself? I was the victim of an Ethics Violation (many) where an Agent I have NEVER met, Slandered me and my Home to potential Purchasers. Told Total LIES. They drove straight to my Home. Horrified over what they told me they later delivered me a Signed Witness Statement as the Harassment and Slander went on and on… RECO would not even give me a HEARING after this Man Stigmatized my Listing. I could go on and on as I have had more BAD encounters than good… I was a Full time agent from 1983-1997 we NEED a NEW way to do business with Ethical people at least! Oh and while negotiating the commission asking for a HALF a percentage cut…ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE….I held the deal together while the Selling agent contacted the Purchasers and demanded more money to cover HIS commission!!!!!!!!!

  • http://realestateagentscalgary.net Mike Johnson

    Without a doubt the opportunity exists for real estate agents to provide a service, and then overcharge for it. But this opportunity exists in any profession: it's called doing a bad job.

  • http://www.spyderindustries.com Headache Rack

    when times get tough, the tough get crooked, right?!

  • La5

    We had a very bad experience with a Realtor and would not recommend that people have one to sell or buy a house through one. They are crooks as far as I am concern. If you also have one and he or she recommends a house inspector be leery. Buying our house should of been exciting thing, it was a nightmare and we are still trying to fix the problems with the house.We are into thousands and thousands of dollars trying to fix things that were covered up or promised it would be fixed.

    Use lots of caution especially if your a first time home buyer, they are a lot of scammers as Real Estate Agents out there.

  • JEAN-GUY GAUTHIER

    Thats just the reason why I droped out of realestate course.THEY have a double standard,policy.And no protection for the clients they serve.It's all a scam the whole industry of realestate is a cash grab,and an attemp too drive the price of homes up.Hear all kinds of stories about real estate deals or scams,and buyers getting screwed.

  • http://www.sundaybell.com Spifking

    I found a good website that looks at all the parties prospectives on real estate and how much it should cost. It comes down to what the consumer is willing to pay for what services. The site kinda says, why go FSBO when an agent can service your home sale or buy themselves….worth a look. Company is called Sundaybell.

  • Troy

    Just like any other profession, there are those who are good at their job and there are those who are bad. All of these are our own personal opinions on the profession and those who make a living, or at least try to make a living doing it. The average Realtor makes roughly $35,000/year, and there are the select few who actually succeed and thrive in their line of work. A good Realtor is worth every dollar of his fee and you also have to acknowledge the fact that although you may not want to pay for a Realtors fee when selling, you are all more than willing to employ the services of a Realtor when you are buying, as you don't have to pay a fee when purchasing. The fee is split two ways and if you sell and purchase your home on your own, then all the power to you, otherwise, I don't see any dramatic changes coming.

  • Troy

    continued from previous post……..It is no wonder why 90% of sellers use the services of a Realtor: Because they actually want to. If you don't see the value in using a Realtor, then don't. Until a new form of business sweeps the real estate world upside down, business will likely carry on as it always has. If you don't like the fees a Realtor charges then don't use one, if you think Realtors make too much money then become one yourself and find the sad reality that the industry is not as profitable as you might think.

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