Are you also upset the Colvin save the farmers from our military are being unheeded?

Why does our military and our government not like those poor innocent "gun residue" farmers" from uncomfortable treatment in their own countries by their own guards?

You guys should start a support group for comfort including pillows and blankets for those farmers.

Just went through his own site. No posts about our troops. Funny from a gal/guy who criticizes others for not "heeding" our military. Made it as far back as February. Why do you hate our troops so much CS?

But boyo boyo are you obsessessed with the the Liberal Party. What a crush on Ignatieff you must be harbouring!

If we were a country of scoundrels and criminals, your points would resonate stronger in a favourable fashion.

Unfortunately, many of us think it is wrong to support torture chambers, extortion, inciting violence against our allies, murdering UN workers, murdering whoever, supporting drug traffickers…

Am I supposed to have plans for one?

Ok seriously: are you drunk or possibly high?

Not a word you've written here has made sense. And not your usual nonsense, but completely disconnected from the discussion here. Because sentences like "A shame the pattern is to ignore the reality on the ground lay blame." sound like Sarah Palin on Wasilla meth.

Sarcasm and the personal attacks does not change the facts about the Mission.

The opposition and several posters have chosen to only focus on a very small part in order to attack the government and the military.

The opposition did not support the mission. Many posters in defence of the Taliban prisoner treatment also don't support the government or military.

Good work is ignored. Thousands of lives have been saved and been improved with the contribution from Canada..

For some of us perspective, bias, balance are less important.

Or Nonsense?

Senseless Canadian?

Balance. bias, perspective is something fishy

Enjoy your diet on catfish only.

I really would like to know what level of security clearance that lawyer has, that he is permitted to see documents that the chair (dommissioner?) of the MPCC may not.

And this is what has me close to nearly giving up.

I suspect even the conbots around here at this point, were they to actually stop and think about it, would realize that this Harper government has become as corrupt in 4 years as the Liberals were after nearly a generation in power. Yet still they fight, and with the most pathetic of tactics — pedantry, appeals to the masses (nobody cares), and red herrings.

Don't they realize that it's *them* that has the best chance of changing the Harper gov't into something decent? Something that resembles good governance? Hell.. I'd even take a good conservative government over what we have now. I mean, let's be honest. Harper and crew will never listen to people like me.. the only thing they listen to is those that keep them in power, and I'm already out of that loop.

I have to admit, some days it almost brings me to tears to see these people, heads firmly in the sand, using any techniques that they can to try to justify the latest activities of the Harper government.

I mean, at this point, can they not see the glaring problem with accusing Colvin of lying but preventing the evidence — which is right there — from being brought forward to this committee that all has the appropriate clearance? If an HRC did this, you'd never hear the end of it from them. But when a member of Harper's team does it.. then it's deflect, distract, detract.

I mean, support Harper, support the Conservatives if you want.. fine.. but support them only when they do the right thing.. when they do the wrong thing, call them on it.. if their supporters won't, how do they expect the behavior to ever get better?

I.. I just can't understand it.

Tingly.

It's your opinion that it's the same or worse, not mine. It's my opinion that this whole issue is not within a country mile of the worst excesses of Chretien's government.

It's only not within a country mile because the Harperites aren't allowing us to see what's actually in the documents.

Or are you honestly saying that if Chretien had taken this same stance — redacting everything around the Sponsorship Scandal in the name of "National Interest", you wouldn't have minded so much?

Actually, that wouldn't surprise me, as that tends to fit into my general assessment of Harperites.. they don't care what actually happens, just so long as they can't be held accountable.

You're right in one way – criminals try to avoid recording their crimes in writing:"

"The Afghan National Directorate of Security "tortures people, that's what they do," he recalled saying at the meeting. "And if we don't want our detainees tortured, we shouldn't give them to the NDS."

Colvin said that statement was met with silence and the note-taker at the meeting put down her pen."

Colvin has also testified that he was instructed by Canadian officials not to put any concerns regarding torture in writing, but to rely on verbal communications only.

You're surprisingly hasty to blow off this issue, considering nobody knows exactly what happened. I'll wait until the truth comes out. But maybe I'm just less likely to blindly trust politicians than you are.

And as far as I'm concerned, torture is worse than financial fraud. Complicity in torture is a war crime and strikes at the heart of Canada's principles. Financial fraud is completely unacceptable, but at least nobody had their genitals shocked with a car battery. Not "within a country mile" indeed.

Parliament could easily force the documents to be released. Harper called their bluff. Now they've backed off. If they really want to see the documents, all they need to do is vote the government in contempt of parliament (a vote they could win easily if they chose to do so) and voila, the documents would be handed over.

So all your blusters is a waste of breath.

No, you're not, are you?

Well, when there has been no vote on the matter for 6 weeks, then that's the latest. Are you always this daft?

The worst excesses of the Chretien government were not discovered until years after the fact and there were more and better safeguards and oversight on sponsorship than there has been on the EAP and stimulus spending. Add to that a government that thumbs its nose and gives the finger AND moons any sense of accountability and you have a disaster of excess that will make every corruption look like lunch money just from the shere size of the record-shattering spending under Harper.

"They are using our malaise against us."

Very true. The latest revelations about the Quebec Liberal Party only serves to reinforce the cynicism and strengthens the Conservatives as result. Let's face it; the Conservatives are still winning the battle of public perception by ruthlessly choking off the flow of information. Therefore, I don't expect them to quit voluntarily. It's very discouraging.

From Sir John A to King to Chretien… Canadians have a long tradition of forgiving a little corruption in exchange for some competence.

From Meighen to Clark to Martin… Canadians have a long tradition of being brutal at the election box to those who might be squeaky clean but incompetence.

Harper is not been corrupt in the sense of personal reward – at least so far, remember it was years after that we found out about corruption around sponsorship and there has been even less accountability over the EAP and stimulus – and he has not been a complete incompetent flop in the sense that he has been tactically smart.

But he has been corrupt in the sense of government accountability and abuse of the discretionary powers of government and tactically smart is not the same as competence in the performance of their duties as government for which they have been woefully inept – isotopes, immigration, finances, etc..

Yeah, what you said.

This government is the embodiment of hypocrisy.

All message, no substance.
All sound bites, no vision.
All bluster, no courage.
All spin, no plans.

And using the wrongdoing of the Liberals as benchmarks for your own wrongdoing is not the kind of improvement a country needs.

Perhaps it is the NDPs turn to run on a platform of accountability and transparency… everyone else has failed miserably so far in my lifetime.

So when are you going to revolt against your authority, Harper?

So you're fine with accepting that your own personal distant authority doesn't do what you want it to then?

Um, no, I was actually referring to the whole "I don't have access to it" part. because, you know, he was being told what he'd said was unimportant, yet not allowed to see it or show it to others to counter an argument. About what he'd said.

So he couldn't say what he said to prove that what he said was important. To the guy who could see what he said and told him what he said without actually saying it.

Not so much a "distant authority" concept as an "unbelievably stupid, unjustifiable situation" concept.

A.I don't believe what Mr. Gosselin offered, frankly, is an assessment. This is a it's a comment which is sort of, from my point of view, a meaningless comment, and in fact a very ambiguous comment. What does he mean I am just this is what I read: The allegation should be taken very seriously, but should be addressed strategically. I personally don't know what that means.

huh?

I would urge you to read the entire transcript of Mr.Colvin's testimony and then decide for yourself what the meaning of "elliptical" is.

Q.Yes. When you say he was somewhat traumatized, you don't specify by what?
A.Well, we are just conveying the impression he conveyed.

Read it all, you may learn something………….or not!