Vancouver housing market: no logic

Internet game, Crack Shack or Mansion?, may be the best indicator of a city’s out-of-control prices

by Ken MacQueen on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:05am - 70 Comments

Petr Pospisil, a frustrated Vancouver teacher, and his girlfriend Ola Rugula have scored a viral Internet hit with their homemade game Crack Shack or Mansion? The object of the exercise is to click through a series of house photos and decide if they are North American drug dens that police have seized and shut down, or if they’re Vancouver “mansions,” which is to say a house listed this April at over $1 million. Good luck spotting the difference.

“It’s scary. I couldn’t believe what I was finding,” Pospisil, who has resigned himself to renting, told Vancouver’s Province newspaper. “I have no hope of owning anything for now.” Vancouver’s housing market has roared back. Prices are at, or above, pre-recession levels. There are any number of reasons for this: a mini post-Olympic boom, fears that low mortgage rates will soon disappear and the desire to escape cost increases July 1, when the 12-per-cent HST, the combined federal-provincial sales tax, adds to the price of new homes and real estate fees.

Has the Vancouver market peaked? Good question—one that bores many a Vancouver dinner party, and one that preoccupies such Internet sites. One has brought the roller coaster metaphor to life, showing why Vancouver’s housing market isn’t for the faint of heart or weak of wallet. Back on the ground there are some real life lamentations at the Vancouver Real Estate Anecdote Archive. Not to get too technical, but if you look at the index of the Vancouver housing market, it looks an awful lot like the profile of the North Shore mountains.  There is a steady, rising slope, say from the years 2002 to 2005, which, if it were an elevation map, would correspond to the geographic mountainside location of West Vancouver and North Vancouver, two of the three most expensive areas to live in the Lower Mainland. The other is Vancouver’s west side. The index starts an insanely steep climb, starting in 2006 to the present. Again, if this were a map instead of a chart, you’d be clinging to the peaks of Cypress or Grouse mountains. One miscalculation, and you’ve a long way to fall.

And so it is with Greater Vancouver’s real estate market. People are indeed clinging by their fingernails as they try to meet their mortgage payments. The anecdote archive tells an all-too-typical story of a couple who bought a $1.2 million house with a $700,000 mortgage. The husband was laid off last month and the wife isn’t sure if her job is secure. Others like Pospisil despair of ever getting into the market. Certainly if you have to fall $700,000 into debt, why would you want to?

But in some parts of the Lower Mainland those sorts of mortgages are the price of admission. North Vancouver, the poor cousin of the three highest cost areas, had a benchmark price in March for a typical detached home of $927,122. A similar benchmark or typical house in neighbouring West Vancouver sold for $1,440,747. And in Vancouver’s west side it went for $1,656,986, according to the latest figures from the Greater Vancouver Real Estate Board. True, there was a dip in housing prices in late 2008 and much of 2009, but it was temporary, and relatively minor in nature. It was certainly not the burst housing bubble that many predicted, and still predict, will hit. By rights the housing prices should have peaked, but logic has long since left the market place.

The affordability index for Greater Vancouver looks particularly grim. Family incomes are static but housing costs aren’t. By one measure, the Demographic International Housing Affordability Survey, Vancouver is the most unaffordable city in Canada, and the 15th worst among 100 cities worldwide. Survey co-author, Hugh Pavletich of New Zealand, says ideally housing costs should not exceed three-times the family’s income, meaning an affordability index of three. Anything above 5.1 is ranked in the survey as “severely unaffordable.” Vancouver has an index of 6.6, which Pavletich called “bloody absurd.”

Canadian banks are also concerned, if a little more circumspect. Says RBC in a recent report on the Vancouver market: “Such poor affordability levels represents an element of risk that could weigh heavily on markets when interest rates start rising.”

Certainly Vancouverites have the least wiggle room. Already 68 per cent of their average disposable income is spent on housing costs. That compares to 44 per cent in Toronto, 35 per cent in Calgary and 36 per cent in Montreal. It’s a sure bet, in the wake of the epic housing meltdown in the U.S, that Canadian lenders today are taking a harder look at the finances of wannabe homeowners. But is that enough to prevent a burst bubble if inflation rises and interest rates jump?

The fact that the floor didn’t fall out of house values during the worst of the recession gives some hope that the market isn’t as over hyped as some fear. Most smart buyers are also relying on mortgage helpers. It’s a rare new home that isn’t built without a self-contained rental suite to provide some income. The occasional mom and pop marijuana grow-op isn’t unheard of either. Not quite a crack shack, but still a risky way to pay the bills. Real estate: Vancouver’s gateway drug.

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  • Jason

    If you kick out half the people, they will increase the burden in the house market. This only helps increase the house prices! Don't you understand? It is not the problem of the many people who help finance a house, it is the problem of the provincial and municipal governments that have high deficit! They need high tax incomes. They will tight the supply in order to get more taxes. This is the bottom line.

  • http://www.realestatevalley.ca/ Vancouver Housing

    Vancouver is repetitively voted one of the top 3 cities in the world to live in, and people with high net worth both flock here and do business here. In addition, we have some of the best university programs on the planet in medical technology, which drives students from other countries here.

    The result of this is increasing home prices. I agree the market is grossly out of alignment, but with that level supply and demand going on, its not about to slow down in my estimation.

    Investors then buy up property as they know all too well that they will be able to resell.

    It is the average homebuyer that needs to live in the Greater Vancouver area that really gets hit.

    • mat

      Businesses flocking to Vancouver? This is news to me. I know many tech companies like EA sports have left Vancouver have left Vancouver because of the high taxes/costs of doing business there. Wages are the Canadian average in Vancouver and NO more. Don't try telling me businesses are flocking to Vancouver, it is infact the exact opposite.
      Where is your evidence of this?

      • no-no-go

        i agree with mat – there are NO businesses flocking to Vancouver, and our schools are OK at best. I grew up here in Vancouver, went to university here – it's OK. People – ASIANs flock here cos there is a huge Asian population – that's all there is to it. the rest of us were born/raised here and want to stay but are being forced out of our own town!!!

  • Dan M.

    What most people simply don't understand is that Vancouver is CHEAP compared to many cities in Europe,
    Asia and the USA. What you locals thinks is expensive at $790,000 for a 3 bedroom is INSANELY CHEAP
    compared to the 4 million dollars that would be paid in New York or London for the same 3 bedroom.

    Ergo, a hell of a lot of rich foreigners will CONTINUE to buy here at prices that are insane-to-locals but cheap to them
    and you locals will have to bear what usually happens in such situations…..You'll be priced out of the market! PERIOD.
    And for the comment of of all those service-clas people just picking up and leaving….that'll never happen because
    there's way too many people who are willing to work a whole lot cheaper than YOU because to them, living 12 to a room
    and working 8 bucks an hour is HEAVEN compared to where they came from.

    You either adapt or MOVE…or become better educated, or become an entrepreneur that has the financial ABILITY
    to afford a house in the Vancouver area. LIFE IS NOT FAIR! Not all people are EQUAL! Some are smarter and more
    hard working than others! I got to my level by working hard, taking risks and never stop believing in myself…and if you
    can't do that…well that's not really my problem, is it?

    There's no fate but what you make! If you continue to THINK like a poor person, then you will always BE a poor person!

    Stop whining and get off your sorry butts and make somethng of yourselves!
    I came from literally living in a cave to high status and I just can't understand
    why YOU can't do the same…I just don't have any sympathies for people who
    keep whining about their plight when many in MUCH WORSE SHAPE came
    from MUCH WORSE backgrounds to MAKE IT BIG — I DID!!!! Why Can't you?

    • T. Eden

      you sounded just like my friend the hotshot RE agent. "MAKING IT BIG"? Yeah, I've heard that from him more than a dozen times. As his friend and accountant, I know I will be there during his bankruptcy filing. :)

    • Sam

      You're not seriously comparing Vancouver, CA to NYC or London with regards to population size, economy size and growth or importance on the worlds financial or economic scale are you? And the article indicates several times that prices pre square foot are actually HIGHER in Vancouver the NYC! But don't worry your market won't crash, it's different up there.
      I heard the EXACT same argument about geographic land constraints ( Airforce base and government land to the north, national parks to the west, lake Mead to the east and hills to the south) , foreign buyers and their associated huge capital investments and a large diversified tax free economy supported by a never ending stream of tourists and gamblers in a place called Las Vegas, have you seen their house prices recently?

    • Peter Pan

      Only in Vancouver is owning an over-priced piece of real estate crap "mak(ing) somethng (sic) of yourselves!"

      "There's no fate but what you make!" Wow… Thanks for that bit of deep philosophy from Terminator II…

      Typical Vancouver delusion.

  • Mark

    Dan,
    You must be really thinking with your bud.

  • Gary

    The thing with London being expensive is that it's mainly confined to the City core. You can find affordable three-bedroom housing about 3-4 miles out of the city for around $600,000. You also have to remember that salaries are high and London is a financial hub like New York, something which Vancouver isn't. The financial district in Vancouver isn't even 1/1000 of London's financial district.

  • JCC

    actually, Dan is right on the money. It's just that so many people in Vancouver who were born here can't understand this fact of life. It's kind of like the hobbits who are frightened of the big people's world. Guess what, they found you here, and now they are taking over, sorry, have taken over your town. Don't like it ? How about moving to Abbotsford with the rest of the losers who could not make their stake here. That's what you get for a generation of hippie dopers raising the current generation of local woosies!!
    It's a dog eat dog world – get used to it!

  • Roland

    OMG! can not believe people are comparing Vancouver to world class cities like London and NYC.

    In cities like NY and London salaries are very high due to them being financial hubs and also head office cities. Vancouver is not a head office city nor does it have a stock exchange or any financial district to talk of. In the former cities 6 figure jobs are plentiful. Besides, such cities have a range of housing for different income levels. London and NY also have excellent subway systems which allow for convenient commuting. I know guys working in NY who chose not to pay Manhattan rents and instead opt to live in NJ and take a train to work everyday.

    Even second tier cities like Seattle are way ahead of Vancouver. Seattle has a lot of juicy head office jobs considering that it is home to Starbucks, Boeing, Microsoft, and Costco. House prices are lower in Seattle. Also seattle has a whole range of pricing depending on the neighbourhood you chose. In Vancouver, even undesirable neighbourhoods like north Surrey will still cost you north of $400k for a house.

    Foreigners have a lot of other cheaper options. Cities in the sunbelt like Phoenix are offering very enticing deals. Atlanta has suburban houses for $100k yet it is head office city home to giants like Home Depot and Coca Cola. Atlanta is an olympic city – yes, they hosted real olympics (summer olympics) and not wannabe winter olympics. The US has a lot of cities with way better weather than Vancouver.

  • sandie

    I have many friends who are real estate agents, and they will tell you what is really happening to the market. The reason why housing prices in Vancouver are so high and did not fall is because of the influx of money from China. The nouveaux chinese rich are buying up houses at above market values like they were hot cakes. There is also now a new law passed in China, that each person can only own one house there. So what do they do, they buy up every single piece of property in Vancouver. For this reason housing prices are going to continue their unreasonable climb here in our beautiful city. It is really too bad that our government can't put restrictions on these overseas vultures to stop them from ruining our housing market.

    • Peter Pan

      Funny how the Canadian Government restricts who can own a newspaper, airline, radio or TV Station, but for one of life's real essentials – housing, any foreigner with Cash and/or credit can use homes in our country as a tool for speculation.

      We need a debate in the country on this issue.

    • gonzo

      If I remember right, in Sydney, Australia there is a restriction on homebuyers: Foreigners are not allowed to buy homes that have been previously owned. They can only buy new-built houses and condos. This regulation was created precisely to avoid the 'Vancouverization' of their city. Good idea.

  • jon

    when this game of musical chairs ends there will be tears. off shore investments are great until property prices drop then as fast as the money flowed in it will disappear, think dubai. not only will the average vancouverite be left holding a massive mortgage for a house thats significantly less but the government deficit will go through the roof and that means two things: a huge tax increase or massive cutbacks. this isn't the US where you can drop your house keys off at the bank and walk away. 68% of disposable income spent on housing in vancouver and the musics about to stop.

  • i have a degree!

    The market will not crash…you think the Bank of Canada doesn't know what will happen if they raise the interest rates to 1980's levels? They have more PhD's working on this stuff than you can think of working out every single possible outcome. Why do you think they kept rates where they are? Do you see many foreclosures in Vancouver? No, the prices have plateaued for a reason. The market is near it's peak and will stay that way until incomes increase. The US market crashed due to poor policy that was exploited by mortgage brokers with poor credentials. Canadian policy is better protected.

  • I have a degree too

    I have a degree

    I have one too and so do many economists who used to work for Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. "Smart" people who I presume should have known better when they purchased complex financial derivatives that were difficult if not impossible to value. It doesn't matter what degree you have! Greed overpowers reason. It's inherent in our nature as human beings living in a free market society. My wife and I, both in our mid-30's (no kids yet) make 200K combined and live in a 450K home. I have the sense to live within my means as do other high income earners. Don't think we will prop up your market. I'm just glad that I can live to live through the financial meltdown and learn from the mistakes of the past so that when we do start a family, I can teach my children the lessons learned.

  • no-no-go

    Vancouver – I live here, and I can tell you one thing – the general "consensus" – whether true or not – is that it's the influx of RICH Asian families that has kept the housing prices artificially high. Those of us who live here, well, you heard it – have to mortgage ourselves beyond comfort levels just to afford a home.

    In China, province Shen Zhen for example, the average professional husband/wife must spend 100 years to pay for a home if they choose to purchase a home – doesn't include food, heat, taxes etc. Is Vancouver becoming an miniature version of China? The average person can't afford a house there – the average person can't afford a house here either – unless they got in before the prices went crazy. I remember about 7 or 8 years ago prices were quite low – and recently have jumped astronomically – even in the suburbs.

    Those who want to cry "racism" – go right ahead – doesn't change the facts – this is about what the driving force is behind high housing prices. Our immigration policies need to change and start letting in a more balanced cross-section of individuals from MANY countries – some rich, but mostly middle class – just like Canada. So that things like this do not happen! Who in their right mind wants a 700K mortgage???

    • gonzo

      Read my reply to Sandie above.

  • Watching_the_Fools

    The bottom line is that wages have remained flat while housing prices have skyrocketed. Vancouver has no middle-class. Jason's mistake is to think that the people you "kick out" have to stay in Canada, let along the GVRD. He sounds like someone who has never traveled. Take a serious look at global options, climate and affordability, then explain why people should choose to stay in rainy over-priced Vancouver. Because it's "the best place in the world"? Right… That's like those people from Regina who try so hard to convince me that their hometown is a wonderful place to live.

    I think Decker and Meany are headed in the right direction with their comments above. Why not increase property taxes 10 times, (as in from 4k to 40k a year) and eliminate or significantly reduce income tax? While we're at it let's tax inheritance over $1M. Anyone with a real job will support this. Don't forget that the Drug Dealers, Arms Dealers, Trophy Wives, Foreign Princes, Old Money, Geriatrics, Politicians and Foreign Land-Owners pay virtually no income tax, and have the Politicians in their pocket. Vancouver has become Canada's Monaco and the land-owning Boomers who choose to stay here will need to get used to the fact that the person who changes their bed pan will not speak English. IMHO the Canadian Boomers have knowingly exploited and destroyed the planet, and have sold their children and grandchildren into economic slavery. I am not proud of Canada, and am raising my children to move elsewhere to find opportunity. As I see it the Boomers deserve to lose their homes, culture and children to the foreign interests they accommodate. This is already well underway and will be the Boomers' legacy.

  • http://www.realestatevalley.ca/ Vancouver Housing

    Absolutely, that is another big factor – our banking system stayed fairly strong throughout the recession and was somewhat better protected against the problems in the US.

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