Guergis, Bernier, and the PM's secrets

PAUL WELLS: What the scandals say about Harper’s management style

by Paul Wells on Friday, April 23, 2010 7:19am - 331 Comments

Sean Kilpatrick/ CP

Every act tips its author’s hand, and with Helena Guergis’s departure from cabinet we are beginning to understand what it takes for Stephen Harper to remove a minister.
In these matters it will never do to set the bar too high. Harper did not invent the dud minister, and a rule of thumb established by a long line of his predecessors holds that undue haste in firing a minister for garden-variety offences—simple incompetence, inertia or unflagging incuriosity (breathe easy, Lawrence Cannon)—sets unhelpful precedents.

But twice Harper has reached the end of his rope with a minister. First Maxime Bernier left cabinet, now Helena Guergis has. In each case the last straw was similar. Weeks of public controversy didn’t do it. Harper greeted the revelation that Bernier’s girlfriend Julie Couillard was a biker moll with public protestations that mere gossip couldn’t be germane to Bernier’s worth.

He mustered comparable nonchalance at the stories about Guergis’s airport tantrum, the coverage of her husband Rahim Jaffer’s arrest for drunk driving and drug possession, and the news that her staff spent a surprising amount of time writing letters to the editor marvelling at qualities in the junior minister that eluded a broader audience. Even when the Toronto Star reported that Jaffer, settling with some difficulty back into life in the private sector, had bragged about his political connections to shady business associates in a Toronto strip joint, Harper stood by his minister.

To a great degree, Harper’s insouciance in the early stages of the Guergis controversy should come as no surprise. The Prime Minister has his own history of tense relations with air transport. In 2005 Harper flew back from war memorial ceremonies in the Netherlands with then-prime minister Paul Martin and his fellow opposition leaders in a vile mood. He rejected his assigned seating near the front of the airplane and scolded Martin’s photographer, Dave Chan, for trying to take his picture. “You do not have permission to be taking my picture,” he said.

After the 2006 election, a Globe and Mail columnist reported that Harper was not thrilled when a Canadian Forces pilot asked him to turn off his BlackBerry for landing. The pilot, the paper reported, was reassigned. The PMO protested after the column appeared that Harper does not own a BlackBerry, a narrow defence indeed.

But onward. With both Guergis and Bernier, a moment came when Harper was finally ready to cut the offending minister loose. Both times it happened quickly. Both times the weight of the last straw was at best debatable. Bernier left a classified briefing book behind at Couillard’s house. Now, a lot of stuff gets stamped “classified” in the nation’s capital that would surprise no one and harm no interest. But no matter: out the door went Max Bernier’s toned and coltish ass.

Guergis, in turn, was ratted out with a stack of allegations—tropical bank accounts, slush funds, suggestions that there might be photos of the Guergis-Jaffer couple in close proximity to hookers and blow—delivered by Derrick Snowdy, a private gumshoe who would later turn out to be $13 million in the hole and curiously willing to pause from his investigations to shop his choicest nuggets around to one political party or another (he had tried the Liberals before knocking at the Conservatives’ door).

But before any of that extenuating information came to light—Snowdy’s debt, his chattiness, the fact that the whole lurid mudbath was based on the claims of Jaffer’s associate Nazim Gillani, a cheerful braggart who would waste no time distancing himself from his own allegations—Harper had announced Guergis’s departure from cabinet, her suspension from caucus, and his speedy notification of the RCMP and the ethics commissioner.

Now here’s what connects both cases. With Guergis as with Bernier, Harper withstood weeks of public controversy. Then he cut his ministers loose as soon as he had private information his adversaries and the Canadian people didn’t yet possess. Well, “information.” A flimsy tissue of gossip might, in Guergis’s case, be the more accurate label. But what mattered was that after weeks on the defensive, Harper could be one step ahead of everyone else.

Being one step ahead is a special feeling. No politician in our time values it more highly than Harper. His eagerness to price his own insider status higher than its realistic value in the political market is turning out to be a consistent weakness.

He had great fun appointing Michael Fortier, a dapper Montreal lawyer, to the Senate and his cabinet in 2006. Ha! Nobody saw that one coming. But Fortier had no perceptible impact on the Conservatives’ fortunes in Quebec, his relations with the Harper PMO became a constant thorn in everyone’s side, and the way he combined extravagant scorn for the Senate with a cushy post in the same chamber detonated Harper’s credibility as a parliamentary reformer. The benefit wasn’t even close to being worth the cost.

Later, Harper lost a minister due to resignation, not scandal, when he implemented a 180-degree turn on the notion of recognizing Quebec as a nation without bothering to inform his own intergovernmental affairs minister, Michael Chong. And of course the classic case of Harper believing he would astonish and amaze everyone with a sudden move was his decision, five weeks after the 2008 election, to eliminate public funding for political parties.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/A_logician A_logician

    Somehow, it seems relevant that today is the day that Shakespeare's birthday is celebrated. We ask ourselves, is Harper Macbeth (whose lust for power leads him to dark hidden deeds), Hamlet (who has trouble making up his mind, but then acts rashly on impulse), or King Lear (whose madness keeps him from recognizing true loyalty but causes him to reward flatterers and sycophants)?

    I vote for Bottom, who vastly overestimates his own powers, and looks like an ass without being aware of it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

      And so Harper must fall into one of the characteristics acted out within a specific Shakepearian play? That's a new one to me.

      Perhaps he's more like Spock……………..lightyears ahead of his time…………………………………but then again, I have no idea when the Starwar's writer's birthday is………………………….would that count for a vote? Or a valid argument?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

        GONG!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      Agree with your choice of play/ However, I see him more as Edmund, the bastard.

  • Andy

    I had to double-check if this article was written by a woman…”out the door went Max Bernier’s toned and coltish ass.”
    Paul, are you trying to tell us something?

    • Orson Bean

      He's been frequenting bathhouses — but purely for the purposes of investigative journalism . . .

      • Julie

        Not from the look of him! Haha! Was surprised that he was interviewed by Evan Solomon, and he had a little guy with him who represented gays……
        They made a very sweet couple, except for their little hissy fits…. not that there's anything wrong with being open. But please, act like grownups, not little girls please.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

          Your uplifting contributions are so welcome. Please continue to shine your beams of sunlight in the form of informed insight. I simply can't do without.

        • Jan

          And Ezra was incensed that anybody would accuse Conservatives of being homophobic? Ironic eh Julie?

          • Tony

            "Guergis had two miscarriages, but to suggest that should be her defence insults any number of women who held on to their dignity in the face of comparable challenges." – This is weak

            The Prime Minister has his own history of tense relations with air transport. In 2005 Harper flew back from war memorial ceremonies in the Netherlands with then-prime minister Paul Martin and his fellow opposition leaders in a vile mood. He rejected his assigned seating near the front of the airplane and scolded Martin’s photographer, Dave Chan, for trying to take his picture. – Weaker still

            I think you have mistaken The Prime Minister of Canada for Perez Hilton. He handled the situation as best he could; there is no reason to divulge why he punted Guergis from cabinet, as there is an ongoing RCMP investigation.

            Maybe your next article: The Reasons I think Mr Harper is mean, or I don't like the Prime Minister, because I think he is mean

            I am not sure whose column is worse today, yours or Coyne's

  • radha

    Chantal Hebert: Prime Minister has not put in place advance warning system that may have caught Bernier and Guergis. Michael Ignatieff said Harper should have had a chat with his Minister on Sept 9th and the P.M. said two weeks ago it was a sad day.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

      What Ignatieff says it doesn't matter at all!

  • Dot

    How is reporting that "Guergis had two miscarriages" any different than what Harper is allegedly doing – acting on rumour supplied by biased individuals? Oh, because it was from her younger sister, the one who claimed it was her fault as campaign manager that Helena claimed a $700 purse, shoes and socks (I wonder how she got the receipts in the first place, and forced Helena to approve her personal expenses – hair pulling?)

    Shabby.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      The excuses on offer have been flimsy. Guergis had two miscarriages, but to suggest that should be her defence insults any number of women who held on to their dignity in the face of comparable challenges.

      Who offered those excuses? It wasn't Helena, that's for sure. If I recall correctly that tidbit appeared in the Toronto Star, but in that context I'm not even sure it qualifies as an excuse – it's just another lurid detail. So I doubt that "women who held on to their dignity in the face of comparable challenges" have any reason to feel insulted.

      • Dot

        It originated initially in a small (no doubt friendly) newspaper in her riding. Then it was picked up by the Star. Why not Helena for sure? What about indirectly? How else does personal info of that nature (in addition to her mother's ill health) become public without family complicity? Then once it gets picked up by the media, guys like Warren KinsellM, L. Ian MacDonald and now PW spread it around to elicit either disgust in the media for stooping so low, or sympathy for the still hiding Helena with her counsel. If it wasn't from her, why is it being repeated without verification (assuming it is even relevant)?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

          PW didn't mention the miscarriages in his column out of sympathy for Helena, that's for sure. The fact that he brought it up at all leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I don't think it's fair to characterize it as "the excuses on offer".

          • Dot

            From the Toronto Star article:

            In an editorial published Wednesday, a local newspaper speculated that the miscarriages may be to blame for the minister’s behaviour, and minimized the controversy surrounding Guergis and her husband, former Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer.

            “Yes Helena did throw a tantrum at Charlottetown airport but this was following her second miscarriage in a few months and when one’s hormones are badly out of whack, life can be difficult,” said the editorial in The King Township Sentinel, based in a riding next to Guergis’s riding of Simcoe-Grey.
            http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/795535…

            You don't go to press with that small town editorial without approval of the family. Andrew Cohen also wrote an oped piece the other day symapthetic to Guergis (someone he has met in the past) making this a part of his sympathetic case on her behalf.

            I'm with you. Don't even repeat it, especially if you risk being manipulated.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

            I had two miscarriages too, my hormones where out of whack and I haven't insulted anyone or threw any tantrums.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

            Sounds like you missed your chance.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            My sympathies, Claudia. And the point that you and Paul both seem to be making are perfectly valid. Personal and/or family tragedy in no way justify despicable conduct.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

            Thank you Thwim and MYL, was a long time ago and shortly after I had my favorite guy in the whole wide world, my son Nick and 15 months later, surprised again ,with the birth of my little princess Camille.

            Again, when you make the choice to be in Public Service, you should know better, and there is no excuse at all for her behavior!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            You don't go to press with that small town editorial without approval of the family.

            Is that a law or something? Couldn't find it in any statutes.

            Or maybe the local paper thanked "the family" for permission to share that little tidbit?

            Or are you talking out your– uh, let's just say, are you declaring alleged facts that are not in evidence?

          • Dot

            Yes, it's a law in small town central Ontario where the family has deep roots and is very active in local politics in many areas, currently, and over the past two generations. Otherwise you would have heard retractions, threatened lawsuits, and expressions of disgust from her sister – not repetition of the alleged facts (unconfirmed of course, as they will remain, and should – no one will touch this with a ten foot pole).

            Btw – notice how the only media reporting/commenting on this are male?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Yes, it's a law in small town central Ontario

            Well, I guess that would make it a by-law. And what little awareness I have of this story (I only check out The Star a couple times a week…) has the entire family pretty much gone into a bunker somewhere. So maybe the story is false and the family is just fed up with the whole thing, so is wisely staying away from the cameras. Or it is true, unauthorized, but reasonably sympathetic and thus unworthy of yet another (public) spectacle. But thanks for saying it's actually in legislation somewhere, and so it is the equivalent of a family press release. I'd love to read that by-law.

          • Dot

            Well, one law you could perhaps brush up on is the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act of Ontario (FOIPPAO) which protects individuals from release of personal info (such as medical records) without their personal consent.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            I will assume that law basically prohibits hospitals, clinics and health professionals and others in the business from disclosing information without the patient's consent. Not what's going on here.

            Hey, did you hear, Phil down the street went to the hospital last night? No. Really? What was it? Heart attack? Stroke? Appendix? I can't tell you, because Dot next door threw FOIPPAO at me when I tried to tell him…

          • Dot

            Any respectable newspaper, not just the local paper, but its owner (The Star) would never run this story without confirmation (ie permission/endorsement/call it what you like) from the family.

            Surely they taught you logic and resoning in engineering school.

          • Holly Stick

            "Hey, did you hear, madeyoulook was arrested last night?"

            "No, really? What for?"

            "Torturing an analogy."

            "Wow, what a cad!"

  • radha

    Chantal Hebert: She paints this Conservative government as 'bullying' and Paul Szabo's ethics committee reminds me of this trait. He is a secretive man our P.M. and in hindsight Jaffer was a 'slick talker' but as printed Harper was a 'fanatic' as to scandals which word against the Liberals won him power and employed 'secret service' to get ahead of scandals but this did not work and Chantal again " Harper closes the barn door after the horse has boilted". If this again 'politics' we should think again who we put in power to run our democracy whether it be any party. This is rthe tragedy of the so called ' democracies' – we have to fine tune almost on daily basis closing all the loopholes which politicians have in 'power' and money(billions) they have control over. Politics is the citizens daily life – it is not removed from us we need to think and exert our control not their control. This is easily said but requires hard work – citizens forum a number of which have aired on CPAC – debate the issues and c`itizens and experts debating.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

      Most citizens aren't even remotely interested in debating any of the issues. Most of them are interested in namecalling. I would say this (the namecalling) is as a result of not knowing how to debate properly.

      Any evidence of the contrary?

  • orval

    Maybe the answer is, instead of psycho-babble and pop-analysis, we focus on facts

    Fact: Harper is not a celebrity whose job is to be famous. Harper is the Prime Minister of Canada. It is his job to hire and fire Ministers to help him run the Government. This is what he is paid to do.

    How about he is just doing his job?

    • maudie

      O, puhlease. If Harper were actually doing his real job, there'd be little to complain about. But all this waiting around for the US to tell him what to do next, keeping busy messing up a good country (that he doesn't understand or appreciate) while he waits, not to mention posing at photo ops and getting his makeup done–I was going to say it's like something out of a bad dream, but in truth it's a nightmare. No wonder Laureen moved out.

      • Julie

        Maudie – read the tabloids much? You sound like what the CBC want everyone to believe.
        He isn't a rock star, or a soap actor. He's not Batman or Spiderman either.
        And it's doubtful he's ruining the country – Trudeau got that ball rolling many, many years ago.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      The ethics commissioner has said there's nothing to investigate, the RCMP has not confirmed whether they'll be starting an investigation. Is his job to hire and fire people on rumor? I mean, we know from Raitt leaving confidential files behind at a media station it's certainly not because of lax information handling.

    • Julie

      Exactly.
      SOunds like some of these critics expect him to be like Michel Buble or that kid with the Trump comb-over ( Justin Beiber)…or Celine Dionne.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      "How about he is just doing his job? "

      Stephen Harper – He's just punching the clock! LoL!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    You're right of course. I got caught up in useless petty argument…in my attempts at being technically correct!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    If the information on which Harper is acting re Guergis / Jaffer really is just patently unfounded gossip then Wells's argument makes sense. That's pure speculation, however. This piece is going to look pretty ridiculous if the "hidden information" – whatever it is – turns out to be credible and serious.

    Regarding Bernier the PM acted when the classified documents issue arose. Up until then it was about Bernier's personal life (not anyone's business), whereas at that point it became about Canadian classified information (everyone's business). Whether the documents were actually contained information that would have harmed any interest is entirely beside the point.

    And finally, regarding the per-vote subsidy / prorogation fiasco, I think Harper was simply trying to take advantage of the age-old military tactic known as "surprise". Catch the opposition off-guard and the battle is half-won. The only problem in that case was that he also managed to catch the entire electorate off-guard, and Canadians are not terribly good at handling novel shifts in public policy with great speed and adroitness.

    In short I think this article, while an interesting perspective as always, is making connections that likely aren't there.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john g

      I had the same thought.

      The Bernier analysis in particular does not ring true. There was no "hidden information" that Harper seemed to have…he turfed Bernier when the news came out that he had left classified documents at her apartment. That was a firing offense, and Harper fired him once he committed a firing offense that was made public in the media. Perhaps my memory is wrong, but I believe that the news of this was public at the time Bernier was asked to resign.

      To me this shows that Harper will not fire a minister without a solid basis, just because the media demands blood and is willing to create a firestorm out of simple innuendo to get it. This is a necessity…people will not go to the wall for a boss who won't stick up for them when the going gets tough. You have to show some loyalty to your people and be willing to take some heat on their behalf.

      But at the same time, once actual evidence appears that the line has been crossed, you're history. I think Harper has handled both the Guergis and Bernier controversies as well as could be expected by anyone.

      • Orson Bean

        I also thought what Wells posited re: Bernier was a tad unrealistic and unworkable. So a lot of documents get stamped "confidential" or "top secret" or whatever. So some of them arguably don't deserve that label. Wells seems to be suggesting that someone (not really identified) is supposed to make some judgment call such as "I know it SAYS "confidential" but really it's not . . .".

        Utterly unworkable. I work in a field where confidential means confidential. And if you start cutting corners on that maxim, or otherwise breach confidentiality, you will end up in trouble. That's the way it is, and that's the way it has to be. Wells was stretching the facts to try to fit his pet theory.

      • Julie

        Well put.

    • Mike T.

      if the information turns out to be serious, the bigger issue will be that it should have been made public to Canadians post haste.

      • wilson

        The information was referred to the RCMP,
        Harper is already 5 steps ahead of that smear.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/motor motor

          your funny

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

            He is our Wilson and we love him!!

          • MacLean's Regular

            Speak for yourself. That abusive troll should be banned from Internet entirely.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

            You must be one of those tolerant left-leaning types who inspires us all toward the brave new progressive world.

          • Orson Bean

            Yes. Tolerant of all views — except those with which they disagree.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Careful, G, you are dangerously close ("tolerant left-leaning types") to a certain phrase that induces allergic reactions around here

      • Julie

        What is it with some people that seem to think every little thing should be put before the Canadian public? What is the point? Aren't there more pressing issues than making sure every Tom, Dick, & Sanjay on the street is informed of each and every little political news – true or flase – that is going on. What is really the point? It isn't going to change my life, or my neighbour's or their relatives.

    • MacLean's Regular

      "And finally, regarding the per-vote subsidy / prorogation fiasco, I think Harper was simply trying to take advantage of the age-old military tactic known as "surprise". Catch the opposition off-guard and the battle is half-won. The only problem in that case was that he also managed to catch the entire electorate off-guard,"

      What in this is so radically different from what Wlells described? If Harper thought the "battle would be half won" he greatly overestimated the value of this, as Wells explained.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

      The only problem in that case was that he also managed to catch the entire electorate off-guard, and Canadians are not terribly good at handling novel shifts in public policy with great speed and adroitness.

      Pardon? Which part indicates that Canadians lacked adroitness?

      • MacLean's Regular

        Adroitness would have entailed agreeing with Harper's decision to defund his Opposition.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Kathryn_C Kathryn_C

      "Canadians are not terribly good at handling novel shifts in public policy with great speed and adroitness. "
      ==

      Canadians don't take kindly to such "novel shifts" that were not campaigned on, that's for sure.

    • Mulletaur

      Surprise ! I jumped over a cliff !

      (Boy, that sure fooled them.)

  • Pablo

    Skulking around…makinf deals? At least this was never the case with the former Liberal government.

    • Julie

      HAHAHAHAHA!

      That was a joke, right?

  • The Reverand

    That's why they call him 'Back Door Stephen' – with all his talk of transparency, he never goes through the front door, he always takes the back door. Throughout his early mandate, we were wondering: with all this secrecy and keeping his people quiet on contentious issues, how is he planning to get the word out? The answer is, he had no intention of telling people how he planned to re-invent Canada; he was simply going to wake us up with the news when he was finished. But then, I'm still waiting for my elected senate! lol

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      And here I thought that was referring to how he was going to screw Canada.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    Thanks for demonstrating your grasp of "reality".

  • MacLean's Regular

    I was rolling my eyes when Wells suggested he shook something new from this story, but I have to say, he was successful. Harper does indeed suffer from the over-ambitious little Tory Boy fantasy that life in the Big Leagues operates primarily on the judicious withholding, manipulation and dissemination of valuable information. It's just too bad his paranoia and the absence of decent counsel from colleagues prevent him from properly assessing that value.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/motor motor

    Stalin had the same faults as Harper does

    • Holly Stick

      But with more personality. Maybe Harper should grow a mustache.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

        Holly Stick, you know what the problem is with empty heads? They no longer have the capacity to understand their heads are empty, and that's why it's up people like me to tell you about it.

        • Julie

          Good One!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

          But if you fill an empty head from an empty head, isn't it still an empty head?

      • Julie

        Mustaches are hugely over-rated.
        Sure – they make some guys look virile & masculine, but they are really germ traps. Same with beards. Be careful when you kiss a mustached man – they could be giving you more than second hand spit! Take a good sniff of it before locking lips ladies. You never know where that beaver tickler has been.

    • Orson Bean

      So Harper has killed some 40,000,000 people? Wells didn't mention that. Citation please.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Variant of Godwin Alert! Variant of Godwin Alert!

  • Sue

    I can't wait for Harper's biography. In fact, maybe I should start writing an (unauthorized) version. It would be better than winning the lotto and a heck of a lot more fun.

    • Julie

      Why? Is he a friend of yours? Do you know how to research & verify facts, or would it be a Kitty Kelly style tell all…

      Can't imagine he would have any juicy scandals in his closet that would rivet your readers..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PoliticalPundit PoliticalPundit

    The sacking of Guergis was always as much about Harper's style of governance – very Bonapartish I would say – as it was about getting rid of both her and Jaffer once the Star got on to the story. Harper was ready to tolerate both of their self-serving behaviour as long as they did not pose a serious risk to his Party manufactured image of being squeaky clean.

    • Julie

      That's BS. They were elected by their constituents. You wouldn't be fired (if you work at a legitimate job) for heresay and rumors.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

    What sillyness to pretend that Harper threw in the political party subsidy cut because he could up one to all!!

    Has it ever occurred to you, Mr.Wells, that during the previous election, the BQ had grossly distorted Canadian politics by using the art's community's false representation of reality (no cuts the arts were made, just redirected) to further it's won cause, namely to win as many seats possible for a provincial party running within federal elections.

    Now, Mr.Harper had been very aware of that fact. He had also been very aware of the fact that hardly anybody in the MSM would come to his defense regarding the art's community's distortion of reality, or the Duceppe shamefull ride into renewed power on sentimental tail coats.

    Now, Harper has always known, and was much more aware after the last election, that going against the BQ directly would make Harper the public scapegoat once more, and so he proposed to do away with all party subsidies rather than single out just the federal subsidies recieved by the BQ. Yes, even that much could not be grasped by most Canadians or members of the MSM.

    • Holly Stick

      This has been another edition of Conservative Fairy Tales.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

        Holly, since you assume that your reasoning skills are much better than mine, it would not be difficult for you to argue the facts then, rather than throw around another byline:" it must be the fairies spreading dust once more"

        Was it in fact true that overall funding to the arts had been cut by the current Harper government?

        Does our Canadian federation financially support a separatist party in the name of the BQ?

        Do you think it would undermine our Canadian federation to financially support a separatist party participating within federal elections, by which means the truly federal parties are undermined?

        • Holly Stick

          Why would I waste time arguing with someone who asks such dishonest questions?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            There are but two remaining questions on my part:

            How old are you Holly Stick?

            and

            What are you really trying to accomplish when participating on this blog?

            These are two very straightforward questions, and not difficult to answer. In fact, they could be answered in a heck of a hurry simply by being honest.

            It's all very uncomplicated for me: I like honesty. A lot!

          • Holly Stick

            Probably old enough to be your mother. It would be an acceptible accomplishment to help bring down Harper and the meanspirited, willfully ignorant rightwingers who follow him and mirror his unpleasant character.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            Holly, I doubt you would be old enough to be my mother, but it could be true so I will not dispute it.

            But one thing is also true: I do have a mother who is much too old for participating on anything related to computers, but she always had more than enough reason to teach me, and my siblings, that ignorance is no excuse for anyone's behaviour.

            She has told me, more than once, that running away from a challenge won't make me stronger. In fact, I do recall vividly that her spoken mantra was and still is: be up for the challenge.

            And so I will ask you again, in all sincerity:

            Let it be resolved: "What then is reason?"

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM Claudia Lemire

            Again , this is personal, Harper is the devil just because you don't like him and that's your right.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Memi_S Memi_S

            Paul, this was deliciously laced with irony that only a spurned 'red Tory' would have in his cupboard!

            Guess you're right on the theory of "act first, think later" instinctive reaction of our Primadonna PM, Steve The Robot. He reminds one of a spiteful bully-boy with short pants who, upon seeing he can't get his own way, drops the ball and walks away huffing and puffing, to return with a crowbar to beat his unfortunate opponent (that's how he views the "team") over the head!

            "Herr Harper–every woman's first husband! " (I heard this and thought it may have merits for your next article)

  • Steve

    What does it take to call Mr. Harper and his CPC sock puppets on their BS?

    To paraphrase Captain Renault from 'Cabalanca', "I'm shocked!…." .

    and,

    ……'The Emperor has no clothes, etc.'

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    You perhaps want a letter to the editor, and not an off-topic forum post.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

    Politics is a game of nuance, and not only the Conservatives or any of the opposition parties do play the game; people like Paul Wells and others are also playing a nuanced game, except they're not being called on it, AND they do not have to stand for election when the time comes.

    In essence, people like Paul Wells can play the political game of nuance unhindered and unchecked. Do we like that? I don't!

    • Jan

      You get to criticize him – on his own blog no less. What more do you want?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

        What I want is for journalists to profess journalism and for opinion makers to be reasonable. But most of all, I want for all people to understand the difference between jounalism and opinion making. I'm more and more convinced that a lot of people do not understand the difference and I think people like Paul Wells could be in a position to make that more clear.

        • Holly Stick

          Why do you think journalists are not supposed to have opinions?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            Did I say that?

            NO!

            (Actually, I've changed my mind on wanting to go back to university. I'm certain I scored an A on comprehensive reading way back when I was in elementary school. Them were the days: going to school, elementary no less, to learn how to read and write, and yes, we did some math too. I will never forget it.)

    • Holly Stick

      Go look up the word "nuance".

      Honestly, some people learn a new word and think they can throw it into any old sentence any old way.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

        I did, Holly, I did, I looked it up right away. Something to do with "shades" of something, probably like, shady, eh, but I don't think you're happy with me using that word, and so, tell me Holly, because I so wanna belong, what words should I use to fit into your group. I'm soooo convinced I wanna be part of your group bashing Harper. Harper has to go, Harper has to be defeated. We need to be liberated from evil…..That sound nice, Holly? Please, please tell me what kind of words work best, like, hidden agenda, I've heard that before, it seems to work, and evil, but I haven't looked up the word "evil" but it sounds so good, so evil, and Down with Harper, and something about onion rings, I caught something on facebook, but I'm not sure,

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

    Here's another one for Paul.

    How do you think a PM could function effectively if more and more people offering opinions act like Holly Stick, to name just one of the emtpy headers in our midst. She contributes nothing, yet her constant empty drivel needs tobe addressed, supposedly by members of the media. Why? Why always take the low road, Paul? Have you not attended university? Have you not learned how to deal with emotions through reason?

    Could it be possible that Harper has anything of value? Just wondering if, according to your standards, that is possible?

    • Holly Stick

      I've attended university, FV, and know more about reason than you do. Harper's ineffectiveness is not a result but a cause of my criticism of him.

      • Julie

        Na Na Na Na Na…..So There!
        How's that foil hat workin' for ya?
        Just because someone has gone to university doesn't make them smart. A lot of the time it's because
        Their parents told them to
        They went because their friends did
        They didn't know what else to do that year
        Their parents told them to or they'd have to get job & pay board
        They wanted to say they had gone to university so they wouldn't feel dumb.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

        Holly, you say you have attended university. That is not so special. Many people have attended university.

        You go then on to say that you know more about reason than I do. That is in fact a very special statement to make, but I'm glad you''ve made it. for now we could actually enter into a debate and deal with the act of reason head on. I have not attended universtiy much, about one semester worth. Oh, don't let that bother you: I won't hold it against me and so neither should you, so please, don't withhold your reasoning skills on my behalf. Let's get on with it, I'd say. In fact, I'm looking forward to it. Are you game?

        But it would be such a pity to find out that you won't enter into a reasonable debate with me because you suddenly don't feel like it. When there's a will, there's a way. The choice is yours.

        Let it be resolved: "What then is reason?"

        • Holly Stick

          So is Julie your sock puppet?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            Holly, why is it so difficult for you to enter into a reasonable debate? Did you noitce while attending university that other students had significant trouble sticking to a particular subject in order to reach deeper rather than shallower, or were you the only one afflicted with attention deficit disorder?

            Perhaps I am looking in wrong directions. It could very well be that paranoia has overtaken your reasonable assessment of the world we live in.

            For the record: at Macleans, I post as FVerhoeven exclusively. On other newspaper websites I comment as hialath, or Francien. I am responsible for postings coming out of the names mentioned and I am not responsible for any comments other may make.

            Now that all possible obstacles are cleared out of the way, and considering the act of paranoia to be not one of your most flattering states, could we get on with it? Let's show our stuff!

            Let it be resolved:"What then is reason?"

          • Holly Stick

            I'll give you good advice for university instead. Learn to edit yourself. Try to be concise when you write and try to achieve clarity. Try not to refer to yourself too often.

            If you want a philosophical argument, you can make a philosophical remark and see if someone takes you up on it. But don't expect many people to be other than bored by the idea, and don't imagine that you can nag them into such an argument.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            Holly, you are making a spectacle of yourself.

            Never did I propose for you to go into a philosophical debate. I simply want to understand what your definition of reason is, since it is reason we must certainly employ when trying to come to political solutions.

            I am not circumventing the major questions facing us: you are!

            I am not running away from a proposal to debate: you are!

            I am not stating that your reasoning skills are better than mine: you are. Prove it!

          • Holly Stick

            Go back and read our respective comments.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            Holly, I truly wish people like you would want to contribute something positive here. But since you don't want to, I will stop wasting my time. Hopefully for you, others will fall for your emptyness and call it a good time. Good luck!

          • peter

            Holly and her peers are mostly addicted to the premises they have never questioned. Largely as a result of their post-secondary experience they adopt a leftist world view, manufactured by faculties populated with leftists, reinforced by reading lists which almost exclusively focus on "the oppressed" and the guilt we all bear as oppressors. When we are young we tend to accept the views of our "learned betters" as gospel. The fact we realize as we age is that mostly they are malcontents and losers who are simply the progeny of the system that manufactures them. It is a path I traveled and have abandoned.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/FVerhoeven FVerhoeven

            I know what you are saying, Peter, but there are so many of them "out there"!

            How then to try and come to practical solutions for the well being of our societies if so many of them cannot even think for themselves, yet want to have a loud voice in how to organize our societies.

            It can't work that way. It is impossible.

            I really have this sense that the more our population is institutionally educated, the less we are able to move forward in a reasonable way. There never seems to be a willingness to discuss the issues, but it's mostly emptyness which is thrown around from all corners. It's very discouraging, to say the least.

          • Holly Stick

            What a pile of pompous nonsense.. You know nothing about me or what influenced me. I've been an Albertan all my life and the university I earned my degrees in was not particularly leftist, but had professors with a wide range of opinions, as it should.

            You poor dim rightwingers have no idea what a big world there is out here, where we people actually do think for ourselves.

          • peter

            Having lived "in the belly of left" as a libertarian for ten years I was recently sent packing as I counseled moderation and engagement. Ten years of listening to mindless hating, based on ill-understood social theory and naive assumptions about the nature of man and society, has left me pessimistic about a better future for my children. The sad truth is Holly you would probably like me if you knew me and I'm certain you aren't evil…it's just that that which you advocate has led to nothing but disaster throughout history. Even the Consevative agenda is the will of the bureaucrats with brown envelopes. Minority PMs don't hang on for four years because they are clumsy or thoughtless and I pray you come to understand this.

          • Holly Stick

            Libertarianism is not a particularly leftwing doctrine.

            Wheatver you think I am advocating probably has its genesis in your own frenetic imaginings.

            Minority government, including the person who happens to be PM, hang on when they have a fractured opposition. That says nothing about the quality of their governing capability, which is sadly lacking in the current minority government.

          • peter

            In fact, combined with Austrian economics it is the antithesis of left wing doctrine. Ironically it shares a naive hope for a condition of man that is inconsistant with observed reality, congruent with socialism. It does however recognize that "group think" is dangerous to the INDIVIDUAL. But the point I'm trying to make is sort of Platonic…it is an ideal, casting a shadow on the walls of our "Canadian cave". The CPC is by far the best shadow on the wall to empower the individual and move us toward, rather than away from a better future. Socialism breeds bureaucrats who claim to know what you want and need and feel no guilt at "liberating" your treasure and mine to get it.

          • Holly Stick

            "…the point I'm trying to make is sort of Platonic…" And here I thought it was just dishonest.

          • peter

            Yeah, I guess referencing the foundation of Western philosophy is a stretch. You know, the individual who first articulated the notions you profess to believe in…democracy elections etc., who schooled Aristotle, whose teaching and influence were to help form low brows like Thomas Aquinas' thinking…and we all know he had nothing to do with western thought! I sympathize with Jane Goodall, she must have felt the same way as the chimps were flinging poo at her.

          • Tim R

            Wells we all know you hate Harper, trying to link him in a negative way is very much a stretch. Your audition for a DOC c job with a Liberal Gov is ongoing, never to happen I hope. Are you related by birth to Frank Graves?

  • bettie

    I thought this was a terribly unfair article, and so are most of the comments. So many paragraphs can be easily refuted, but unfortunately I don't have the time right now to do it. Will just say that you in the media are disingenuous. We have a great Prime Minister who is thoughtful, self-controlled and good at what he does. I guess his press would be great if he pandered to these all-knowing, all-wise
    jackasses.

    • Holly Stick

      The problem is that when he talks nice to the press, they can magically hear his real thoughts about them being all-knowing, all-wise jackasses.

      • Julie

        The problem is that when people like you open their mouths or write their thoughts down, people can magically see the air in your head, where there should be a brain.
        Ding dong – how about that tinfoil cap! Wow.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      And there's so much proof that Harper is a ravenous demon from the netherworld, but unfortunately I don't have the time right now to do it.

      Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    • Julie

      Well said.
      The media is always looking to boost sales & circulation – whether TV, radio, internet, magazine….and if it's boring – it doesn't sell ads.
      Remeber that when you read some of these over the top stories.

      And the squeaky wheel seems to get the grease.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Halo_Override Halo_Override

      "So many paragraphs can be easily refuted, but unfortunately I don't have the time right now to do it."

      Our loss.

  • hollinm

    Just for the anti Harper posters on this board. Wells is speculating. He has no first hand knowledge of that which he proposes as if he is the confidante of Stephen Harper. Go ahead people keep arguing about process, tactics and strategies. Meanwhile Harper will achieve his majority in the next election regardless of the left wing media. He is the best on offer and while the polls say no majority don't be surprised.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      I don't see how Harper so easily attains the majority territory you predict. Can you explain how that works out, or is this mostly wishful thinking on your part?

  • Julie

    This post doesn't make any sense, it's too cryptic, and has no relation to the story.
    So what are you trying to say?
    And how does it matter to anyone else?

    Sorry about your cancer. Hope you feel better soon…

  • Julie

    That last comment was for the Holy dip Stick.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      Are you stalking Holly? Creepy…..

      • Holly Stick

        Yeah, she wears a false mustache and tries to hide behind street signs.

  • Chuck Vs. Guru RIP

    Lame..

    PMO should just throw on this song..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aBVUqV2wcE

    You a square…

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