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What's next?

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:05pm - 40 Comments

In terms of what a compromise might look like, we refer again to some of the options already explored for establishing a forum that might safely review sensitive documents. The interim committee on national security that studied these sorts of issues in 2004 was chaired by Derek Lee, but also, perhaps notably, included the following members: Joe Comartin, Wayne Easter, Marlene Jennings, Serge Menard, Kevin Sorenson and Peter MacKay.

Also instructive is the parliamentary sub-committee on combatting organized crime which functioned largely in camera and reported to the House in 2000. That committee included members from all parties, including the aforementioned future defence minister.

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  • MacLean's Regular

    More on the "Conservative Anger Machine" here:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bria…

    Some days, you guys make me sick to my stomach.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    All of this, to me, begs the question: why are we nominating candidates for election if they can't get the proper security clearance to see the documents they need to do their jobs?

    Public service employees and government contractors can't be hired unless they have the appropriate clearance. Why should it be any different for MPs?

  • Holly Stick

    Ooh and make sure none of those MPs have hot biker chick girlfriends and make sure they won't leave confidential cabinet documents at the girlfriends' houses… gosh, I guess we had better not let any Conservatives see those documents either!

  • Holly Stick

    Be sure to include Maxime Bernier, so he could leave some of the documents at his girlfriend's house for a month or two. We can't trust Conservatives with important documents, you know.

  • lenny

    "We never found out if the Liberals opened and went through stacks of clearly private documents belonging to the Conservatives. "

    No, you have no evidence that the Liberals looked at the documents. So, what's your point?
    On the other hand we do know that when a Conservative MP was accidently given the password to an NDP conference call he not only used it to listen to the call, but then made the contents of the call public.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john g

    My point is that MPs that have a past history of questionable behaviour around private documents that weren't theirs and tried to use them to score cheap political points don't belong on this committee. Ditto for the MP (the name escapes me now) who sat in on the NDP caucus call he was invited to.

    It'll never happen but it would be great if Harper could pick the opposition members of the committee, and the opposition could pick the Conservative members.

  • lenny

    The only "questionable behaviour" demonstrated was by whichever Conservatives were responsible for leaving behind those documents. You've merely added to the list of Conservatives' incompetence in safeguarding information.

  • MacLean's Regular

    "Please stop misrepresenting what people are saying,,,"

    Oh, dear. We can't certainly can't have that, can we?

    I stand by what I wrote. In fact, I clarified what you said.

  • John W.

    Some genius is going to have to determine the difference between national security which the Opposition members can't blab about, and Conservative Party security which they will have the right and duty to expose. So far the Conservatives have obviously blacked out political security information as well as national security information.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    If you are right, then please advise Harper to get out in front of the issue, as he did in the case of the Manley panel. Of course, here he would need to pick MP's rather than independents. Nicholson's stance appears to be the more typical "let's see what the opposition comes up with" and then we will react. Although, his stance is not particularly clear… nor given how this government works is it particularly important.

    It is virtually impossible for the Liberals and NDP to shut out the Bloc, if the Conservatives are not actively working with them. Since the Conservatives are unlikely to work with them on this issue, it may be time for another of Harper's surprises. If his picks are strong enough to pass public and parliamentary approval (and contain enough non-Bloc Quebec representation) then he could have another winner.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    Ya know, as much as the claim that the Liberals and Conservatives "committed war crimes" would be spun to make an argument for sovereignty, the claim that "the rest of Canada doesn't want us to even look at documents of national importance" would probably make a stronger one.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    However, whether international law violations really took place should be decided by a forum 1) familiar with international law, 2) with access to all the information (including rebuttals) 3) skilled in sifting through masses of information, putting the pieces in context, differentiating between speculation and fact and reconciling contradictory information.

    There are enough documents, that pulled out of context a partisan reporter could supplement any fantasy reality with juicy quotes and excerpts. We don’t need for the parliamentary committee to read the reports and then throw them out to the public, we need for them to decide if there are grounds for an inquiry with the skill set above.

  • Lord Kitchener's Own

    As I said above, I'd much rather have the Bloc out there complaining about what the Liberals and the Tories actually did, than have them out there speculating as to what the Liberals and Tories actually did, while simultaneously complaining that every federalist in Ottawa is conspiring to keep Quebeckers in the dark about it.

    I'm also with Scott in being uncomfortable with the notion that the priority should be to keep what our government(s) did quiet, lest we embarrass ourselves and help out the Bloc, as opposed to doing everything we can to determine if our government(s) did things that we should be embarrassed (and possibly ashamed) about.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    "We never found out if the Liberals opened and went through stacks of clearly private documents belonging to the Conservatives."

    And you say that as support for your claim that they can't be trusted to keep their mouths shut?

    As the original post makes clear, they have been cleared for similar and more sensitive reviews of this sort before.

    Besides, if the documents are as innocuous as Harper claims (with respect to the issue of torture), I'm really not sure how you could justify excluding them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    First we have "Critical Reasoning" telling us he believes the Bloc are a criminal organization whose crimes would appeal to ostensibly morally-bankrupt Quebecers

    Settle down, Tiggy. You're in a punchy mood today. Please stop misrepresenting what people are saying–it's rude and obnoxious.

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