Europe gets Greeced

The race to save a broken continent from financial ruin

by Jason Kirby and Danylo Hawaleshka on Friday, May 7, 2010 10:00am - 21 Comments

There are hopeful signs the message is getting through. Last week, in the heart of Exarchia, the rundown bohemian district of Athens, many residents continued to harbour deep resentment for “the rich,” “the banks” and the IMF. Yet some, like Nikos, a 29-year-old graphic designer who still lives at home with his mother, recognize they, too, have played a role in bringing profligate Greece to the brink of insolvency. Everyone is to blame, he told Maclean’s. “We can’t just blame the 300 [MPs in parliament]. There are 11 million of us in Greece. It’s a whole bordello here.” Adds Angeliki, a bartender: “Everybody thinks about how to steal money. They’ve been doing it for the last 60 years. Now we’re broke.”
Such realizations on the part of Greeks are good. Unfortunately, Europe could face much bigger problems before this is done. “The bailout for Greece may be painful but it’s manageable,” says Kopstein. “Where things would get weird is if one of the big economies went, like Spain. If that happens, all bets are off.”

If the news coming out of Europe about financial contagion has a familiar ring to it, that’s because we’ve seen this before. In 2008, as the subprime crisis gripped Wall Street, vultures circled the big banks and insurance companies, speculating on which one would fall next. The bailout of Greece was meant as a vote of confidence to put an end to such speculation. It hasn’t worked. Now many see it as just a question of which country will be hit next. “It’s not a question of the danger of contagion,” the secretary general of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Angel Gurria, said recently. “Contagion has already happened. This is like Ebola.” And with stock markets in Canada and the U.S. tumbling on fears about Europe, it’s clear no place is safe.

Around the same time that S&P, the debt rating agency, cut Greek government bonds to junk level, it also took aim at Portugal and Spain—the latter saw its debt rating fall to the same level as Slovenia. Many see Portugal as the next likely country to require some sort of assistance from its partners. But the bigger fear is if Spain falls. That’s because while Greece and Portugal each account for just two per cent of the European economy, Spain makes up one-tenth of Europe’s GDP. “Frankly there would never be enough resources in Germany or France to bail out Spain,” says Philipp Bagus, an associate professor of economics at Madrid’s Universidad Rey Juan Carlos. “It would actually push them to the edge of bankruptcy.” Indeed, David Mackie, chief European economist at JPMorgan, warns the bailout cost for Greece, Portugal and Spain could hit $800 billion. Other estimates have topped $1 trillion.

Spain is by no means certain to get hit. While it has a larger deficit than Greece, Spain’s debt relative to its GDP is half the size. Yet the country faces its own set of acute problems that make it susceptible, not the least of which is raging unemployment. Last month Spain’s unemployment rate hit 20 per cent, while for youth it’s as high as 40 per cent. Some economists fear that as Spain enforces its own austerity measures, that will slow the economy even further—making the relative size of its deficits grow, rather than shrink. But Bagus says Spain has yet to take its debt crisis seriously. “The austerity measures that have been put in place aren’t even worth calling austerity measures,” he says. “If anything, this bailout for Greece sends a message to the Spanish government that it can continue to do nothing.”

Whatever the outcome, Europe is potentially headed for a decade of stagnation. And that has many worried. “If the immediate threat is speculative attacks, the long-term threat is low growth,” says Peter Hall, a political economist at Harvard University’s Center for European Studies. “The European political system is very vulnerable to a resurgence of the radical left and radical right, and if unemployment remains above 10 per cent in these countries for another five years, it will bring them out of the closet.”

This crisis has spawned no shortage of suggestions for how to fix Europe. Does the region need tougher penalties for countries that overspend? Or since Greece has shown how easy it is to hide staggering deficits, should Europe centralize control over spending and budgets? And would countries ever agree to surrender their purse strings to bureaucrats in Brussels? Europe has been able to shunt aside all of these questions during boom times. But no longer. The test now is whether the solidarity between the countries of Europe is deep-rooted enough to see it through the crisis. “A lot of people say the EU is like a bicycle that has to keep going forward to stay upright,” says Kopstein. “Once you stop going forward toward integration, the potential for pulling these things apart is very real.”

As for Mundell, the father of the euro, he’s watching all this closely. Despite all the concerns, he, like most, remains generally optimistic the euro and European Union will bind together to weather the crisis. “It’s the best game that Europe has,” he told Maclean’s from his home in Italy, a 15th-century castle near Siena.
But there’s something else that leads him to believe Europe will pull through, and that’s the catastrophe its leaders know would ensue if they fail to hold it together. “If it broke up it would be very harmful for Europe,” he says. “It would recreate the old problems again of Germany dominating the continent of Europe. As the prime minister of Greece said, there are big, drastic steps that have to be taken, but the alternatives are much worse.”

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  • Kifaru

    Germany is about to make a big mistake, bailing out Greece. Yes, the bailout will avert a catastrophe, but it's only a postponement, and the next disaster will be much worse as a result.

    Europe could have easily adopted a common currency long ago. It's called gold. Politicians can't print gold.

    In the old days, paper currencies were backed by gold. That's a second best approach. The better approach is gold itself. No pound. No mark. No franc. No euro. Let private banks print certificates representing a weight in gold or silver. If a bank doesn't have the gold to back its certificates, hang the bankers. And I mean that literally.

    Fiat money is the great enabler of evil. Central control of money is a disaster in waiting. We won't have to wait long, I'm afraid.

    • Craig O

      In the old days, there were recessions every couple of years… Since moving off the gold standard, recessions have become less frequent, shorter lived and less severe.

      Don't get me wrong, there are definitely issues with fiat money, but there were just as many if not more with the gold standard. The rose-tinted nostalgia goggles need to come off.

      • Kyle

        Recessions are shorter with fiat currency because we prop up the system with spending, which in turn raises inflation, we are using fake money and we have been for years.

        The gold standard was not the cause of the more severe recessions, it was because the government did not interfere as greatly with the economy at those times, but that was real, we have been living in a fantasy world for the past 50 years, recklessly spending, making poor investments and we are being patted on the back for it. Now the crow has come how to roost and we can't handle it.

        • Craig O

          Inflation has been quite low for two decades now. Yes, it is easy to push inflation too high with a fiat currency, but we've learned how not to do that, and provided our central bank is intelligent with its rates, it's not an overriding concern any longer. As I've said, fiat currency has issues, but they are not insurmountable.

          The gold standard prevents the government from interfering with the economy during the recessions, and while that's a nice hedge against state corruption, it prevents the central banks from averting those recessions by lowering interest rates when demand falls. The gold standard didn't cause the more severe recessions, but it halted the possibility of preventative action, or action that would lead to a faster recovery.

          Reckless spending and poor investments are huge issues, but that's a problem of personal responsibility, not fiat currency (though fiat currency can make it seem easier to not be responsible). Here in Canada, we took advantage of the good times, paid down our debt and made reasonably good investments in the future, and when the recession hit, we were well placed to use our standard-less currency to moderate the downturn, by lowering interest rates and using stimulus money. You say we can't handle it, but we already have, and we can continue to do so if the government is willing to face the debt issue head-on next year when the economy can stand on its own two feet.

          Recklessness is recklessness, regardless of what kind of money we use. But a fiat system is more flexible and if well managed, provides a far more stable economic system.

          • JimD

            "Yes, it is easy to push inflation too high with a fiat currency, but we've learned how not to do that,"

            Really? Is that why the real CPI inflation in the US is close to 10%. This is just the preface to the hyperinflation coming down the pipe.
            http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflati…

    • Gapi

      So true. Peace

  • Kifaru

    Germany is about to make a big mistake, bailing out Greece. Yes, the bailout will avert a catastrophe, but it's only a postponement, and the next disaster will be much worse as a result.

    Europe could have easily adopted a common currency long ago. It's called gold. Politicians can't print gold.

    In the old days, paper currencies were backed by gold. That's a second best approach. The better approach is gold itself. No pound. No mark. No franc. No euro. Let private banks print certificates representing a weight in gold or silver. If a bank doesn't have the gold to back its certificates, hang the bankers. And I mean that literally.

    Fiat money is the great enabler of evil. Central control of money is a disaster in waiting. We won't have to wait long, I'm afraid.

  • George Powers

    extenSion not extention, please…literacy matters!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

    Ok seriously… The title of this piece bothers me.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Open_Democracy Open_Democracy

    Quite frankly, the Greek debt situation is much ado about nothing compared to the massive debt/deficit situation in the United States. According to the U.S Treasury April 2010 statement, the U.S. now has a debt of $12.9 trillion dollars and that does not include the growing obligation (as boomers age) for social programs like Medicare and Medicaid which could bring the figure up to $50 trillion. With "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke firing up the printing presses in 2008 and 2009, inflation and resulting higher interest rates are certainly down the road. With higher interest rates come higher interest payments on the U.S. public debt – interest payments have already totalled $224 billion in just the first seven months of fiscal 2010. As we found out in the fall of 2008, as the United States economy goes, so goes the economy of the world.

    Fortunately though, the United States has a solution for debt reduction on their Treasury website. I quote:

    "How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?

    There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

    You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at Pay.gov

    You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

    Attn Dept G
    Bureau of the Public Debt
    P. O. Box 2188
    Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188"

    I think that this approach is a great way to get any countries' debt situation under control. I'm shocked and disappointed that Greece didn't try this approach rather than heading to the ECB for a handout. I think someone should suggest the idea to Jim Flaherty too!

    Hopefully, before I collect a handful of thumbs down, someone will note the dripping sarcasm!
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Open_Democracy Open_Democracy

    Quite frankly, the Greek debt situation is much ado about nothing compared to the massive debt/deficit situation in the United States. According to the U.S Treasury April 2010 statement, the U.S. now has a debt of $12.9 trillion dollars and that does not include the growing obligation (as boomers age) for social programs like Medicare and Medicaid which could bring the figure up to $50 trillion. With "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke firing up the printing presses in 2008 and 2009, inflation and resulting higher interest rates are certainly down the road. With higher interest rates come higher interest payments on the U.S. public debt – interest payments have already totalled $224 billion in just the first seven months of fiscal 2010. As we found out in the fall of 2008, as the United States economy goes, so goes the economy of the world.

    Fortunately though, the United States has a solution for debt reduction on their Treasury website. I quote:

    "How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?

    There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

    You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at Pay.gov

    You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

    Attn Dept G
    Bureau of the Public Debt
    P. O. Box 2188
    Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188"

    I think that this approach is a great way to get any countries' debt situation under control. I'm shocked and disappointed that Greece didn't try this approach rather than heading to the ECB for a handout. I think someone should suggest the idea to Jim Flaherty too!

    Hopefully, before I collect a handful of thumbs down, someone will note the dripping sarcasm!
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    • The Real Jan

      The Conservatives have that fabulous database of people who send them money, maybe they could start the debt reduction drive with them.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Open_Democracy Open_Democracy

        Good idea. I hadn't thought of that. You can look up who the lucky people will be at the Elections Canada website!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    A couple of questions to anyone who knows:

    Q1 The EU insisted on public finances being in a certain amount of shape and sanity before admission to the club was granted. Were there any consequences written down for a country's commission of fraud at the time of admission?

    Q2 The EU has rules about national governments' ongoing fiscal sanity. Obviously these rules are routinely flouted, by more than just the PIIGS. My question is: what consequences, if any, were spelled out for non-compliance?

    And if the answers have anything to do with "we just thought we should trust the national political leaders from the various countries to cooperate," then the EU deserves the armageddon it will soon live through.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      Ah, but do we deserve the Armageddon theirs will bring upon us?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Making matters worse, Greece’s previous government had until last October concealed the true state of its finances. Which sounds like fraud perpetrated on your neighbouring Euro countries, which amounts to theft.

    And what do the Euro-weenie countries do to counter this aggression? Do they swoop in (don't worry, the Greek Air Force, wonderful NATO partner that it is, is apparently on strike), arrest the fraudsters, and either leave this pathetic country to rot in its own hell, or occupy it until the nation-building is completed by the occupiers?

    No. Of course not. They send it cash.

  • No NDP

    They're All the Same

    Labor has become a mindless tribe of blind conformists who follow the directives of their leaders. Israel is a target of labor. Anti-Americanism is a mantra of labor. And collective force is the weapon of labor. United they stand every time, all the time, regardless of the effects of their behavior.

    To be fair, labor isn't the entire problem in socialist Europe. Apparently, Greece, France, and other countries have a corrupt system of gathering taxes, especially income taxes. A powerful black market exists, which denies the government necessary taxes to finance their social programs, which the public demands. They shoot themselves in the foot.

    Greed, self-centerdness, corruption, and inward thinking is at the heart of this.

    • Kyle

      The Black Market is a direct symptom of a bloated public service and massively over-regulated industry, if the private sector can't survive under the weight of the public service it will go underground.

      I'd venture it's not greed that caused this mess but poorly directed compassion, we don't have bloated public sectors around the world because we are greedy, it's because we want to help the poor, but the public sector is absolutely the worst method of doing so, Greece will perhaps convince people of that.

      • Johh

        The public sector for the most part wastes resources, they only get in the way and guess,what?They don`t even care,after all,why should they when they can just keep taxing people to do it?I like the private sector because they worry about where things are going because it`s their money,people tend to be more careful if it`s their own money at stake.Which is why they always manage things better.

  • Ariadne

    Greece should have not been bailed out unless the Greeks themselves realized that they are big contributors to the problem, instead of blaming outside forces for their bankruptcy. Hopefully, this will be a lesson learned for us all here in Canada, not to expect public funded services all the time. The less number of public employees, the better.

  • Jeet

    Mankind is just so greedy as to put the very fragile experiment called democracy in doubt. Government workers virtually all over the world are way overpaid as are the hangers on looking for somelhting for nothing. Greece, Spain, Calkforonia, the United States of America–it makes no difference. The day of reckoning ain't gonna be pretty. Who else in Canuckistan gets indexed pensions but government workers(?).

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