Not just their Big Fat Greek Funeral

MARK STEYN: As lazy, feckless, corrupt and violent as Greece undoubtedly is, it’s not that untypical

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:00am - 200 Comments

Yiorgos Karahalis / Reuters

From the Times of London: “The President of Greece warned last night that his country stood on the brink of the abyss after three people were killed when an anti-government mob set fire to the Athens bank where they worked.”

Almost right. They were not an “anti-government” mob, but a government mob, a mob comprised largely of civil servants. That they are highly uncivil and disinclined to serve should come as no surprise: they’re paid more and they retire earlier, and that’s how they want to keep it. So they’re objecting to austerity measures that would end, for example, the tradition of 14 monthly paycheques per annum. You read that right: the Greek public sector cannot be bound by anything so humdrum as temporal reality. So, when it was mooted that the “workers” might henceforth receive a mere 12 monthly paycheques per annum, they rioted. Their hapless victims—a man and two women—were a trio of clerks trapped in a bank when the mob set it alight and then obstructed emergency crews attempting to rescue them.

Unlovely as they are, the Greek rioters are the logical end point of the advanced social democratic state: not an oppressed underclass, but a pampered overclass, rioting in defence of its privileges and insisting on more subsidy, more benefits, more featherbedding, more government.

Who will pay for it? Hey, not my problem, say the rioters. Maybe those dead bank clerks’ clients, assuming we didn’t burn them to death, too. The problem facing the Western world isn’t very difficult to figure out: we’ve spent tomorrow today, and we can never earn enough tomorrow to pay for what we’ve already burned through. When you’re spending four trillion dollars but only raising two trillion in revenue (the Obama model), you’ve no intention of paying it off, and the rest of the world knows it. In Greece, the arithmetic is starker. To prop up unsustainable welfare states, most of the Western world isn’t “printing money” but instead printing credit cards and pre-approving our unborn grandchildren. That would be a dodgy proposition at the best of times. But in the Mediterranean those grandchildren are never going to be born. As I pointed out in my bestselling hate crime America Alone four years ago, Greece has one of the lowest fertility rates on the planet—1.3 children per couple, which places it in the “lowest-low” demographic category from which no society has recovered and, according to the UN, 178th out of 195 countries. In practical terms, it means 100 grandparents have 42 grandkids. Greek public sector employees are entitled not only to 14 monthly paycheques per annum during their “working” lives, but also 14 monthly retirement cheques per annum till death. Who’s going to be around to pay for that?

Welcome to My Big Fat Greek Funeral. As to every profligate Western politician’s enduring faith in mass immigration, what hardworking foreigner in his right mind would move to the Hellenes? According to the World Bank, when it comes to the ease of doing business, Greece ranks 109th out of 183 countries. If they were dramatically to liberate their business-killing economy, they might overtake Lebanon at big hit position 108, and Ethiopia at 107, and maybe Papua New Guinea at 102. And who knows? With even more radical reform, they might crack the Hot One Hundred and be bubbling under such favourable business environments as Yemen (99) and Moldova (94). Greece ranks 140th when it comes to starting a business, and 154th when it comes to protecting investors. They cannot mitigate their deathbed demography through immigration, because, even more so than Canada and the rest of Europe, the only foreigners with any incentive to head there are those who either want to lounge around on welfare or plot jihad at taxpayer expense. In my “alarmist” book I put it this way:

“Projected public pensions liabilities are expected to rise by 2040 to about 6.8 per cent of GDP in the U.S. In Greece, the figure is 25 per cent—i.e., total societal collapse.”

Four years on, thanks to Obama in Washington and business as usual in Athens, the situation has worsened. Yet in a sense the comparison is academic: whereas America still has a choice, Greece isn’t going to have a 2040. The mob is rioting for the right to continue suspending reality until they’re all dead. After that, who cares?

Greece has run out of Greeks to stick it to. So it’s turned to Germany. But Germany too is in net population decline. The Chinese and other buyers of Western debt know that. If you’re an investor and you don’t, more fool you. Tracking GDP versus median age in the world’s major economies is the easiest way to figure out where this story’s heading.

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  • Chess

    My dear friends

    It is not all gloom and doom. You are living at the twilight of a good civilization. Very rarely has a generation watched the death of a civilization. The trouble here is that it is your own civilization, and yes it is good. With all due apologies to the relativists out there, I said "your" because I was not born here but yearned and worked hard to live here. Stupid me, I thought it was inevitable that the children of this civilizatoin fell in love with Shakespear, and Dickens.

  • Pitbullll

    We're all Greeks now…. or soon enough, anyway.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/stupidbart stupidbart

    The East has Failed; The West has Failed; The Future is Islam!

    I read this 20 years ago as a student. I forgot which fanatic said it, but I fear that he is correct. We are so screwed. Thanks, Obama!

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/klyoung2 klyoung2

    Here in the US, we could start by removing the influence of lobbyists, businesses and lawyers by requiring that political contributions to a congressional candidate be limited to natural persons residing in the congress critters district.

    Think of the shock of congressmen having to respond to actual voters rather than going to DC to have fund raisers with the Trial Lawyers of America.

  • TS Alfabet

    When one listens to the policies and philosophies articulated by the Left/Statists, the distinct feeling is that we have reached an irreconcilable divide in the U.S. where some sort of divorce (an amicable one if at all possible) is the only solution. Just because the North went to war to keep the South in the Union in 1861 does not mean that there will be anything similar in the 21st century. There will be no repeat of the Civil War because: 1) there is no "North" and "South" today like there was in 1861, but more of a Red State/Blue State; 2) the Red States have virtually all of the military bases AND, more importantly, the natural resources, the industry and industrious population. The Blue States have what? Large welfare populations, huge budget problems and pacifist academia. This is not something that Blue States can go to war with, even if they wanted to do so; 3) The Red states are in the distinct majority: just about all of the South from Virginia through Florida around to Texas (the old Confederacy) would be in as well as most of the Mountain West; 4) You can be sure that the U.S. Military, being overwhelmingly populated by conservative-minded people from the South and West, would never fire on their fellow Americans. Ain't gonna happen.

    No, there most certainly would not be another Civil War. There may be rioting in some cities and it could get ugly for a time, but if the Red states were determined to combine in some fashion or otherwise refuse the edict of the Federal Government, there is nothing that the Feds can do about it.

    I do not see Western Canada wanting to join the U.S., given the Leftist tendencies. More likely is a separation by Western Canada from the East which would then be free to govern itself and its abundant resources as it sees fit. It would no doubt develop a very amiable relationship with the Red states.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CharlesMartel14 CharlesMartel14

      There is more and more open discussion of this idea, and it is no longer confined solely to the realm of fantastic speculation. That in itself says much about our near future. However, I do not see a peaceable separation occurring. Conservatives would be happy to be rid of the socialist Left, content to let them go pursue their Workers Paradise without dragging us along, but the Left absolutely does not reciprocate with any sort of "live and let live" notion. They are like the Islamists in their zealous belief that the non-believers must be converted or destroyed. It's not enough for just themselves to live under a collectivist state, they insist that everyone else must too.

      So I agree with you in the sense that some sort of separation is, at this point, a near inevitability. I am less confident that it will be amicable.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MarcJeric MarcJeric

    Abu Hussein al-Nairobi is proceeding apace in his program of cummnizing America. It is too late to change that. He already nationalized auto industry, mortgage companies, some banks and insurance companies; then come hospitals (health care reform); to be followed by oil & gas companies, coal mines, electricity companies (cap & trade scam). By the end of his first term we will be Greece or worse.

  • Peter Martin

    Spot on. Yet even now the useful idiots are praising the rioters as the saviors of the socialist dream. Well dream on….

  • taxslave

    More proof that socialism does not work in the long run. But then socialists are only interested in themselves, here and now not the legacy of debt and poverty they are leaving for their grandchildren to deal with.

  • alamojane

    BAILOUT ? of a ship that has already foundered? JUST WHERE is the energy , money , spirit and philosophic base for this bailout coming from — now and into the future? FROM WHOM AND HOW is it to be paid / accomplished ? By Socialism? In its short history shown to be abject failure as social administration , except for the administrators.. Ironic. Just when the evidence is in of that failure, the "elite", the political / social clerisy in America establish this failed model, forcefully , in the only remaining AND THE MODEL for "democracy" as , constitutional republic.. ( Laugh Pagliacci, laugh.)?

  • David K. Meller

    As a citizen of the United States, why do I have an eerie feeling that I am seeing a preview of this country in the next five or ten years, every time I look at Greece? Ditto for Chechnya, Myanmar, Gaza, and a few other choice locations!

    We DO have a nascent and growing libertarian movement, along with increasing appreciation of Misesian economics, unlike most people in those other places, so that more Americans than other people know what is wrong and why, but we are running out of time–and money!!

    PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
    David K. Meller

  • ian

    Mark,

    Your prose is usually so good, so interesting, and so entertaining that I try TO read almost everything you write. However, one of your recent columns jarred me with the use of one of my pet peeves:

    "which you’ll have to try and make up domestically."

    This usage, unfortunately becoming nearly ubiquitous, should grate on the nerves of anyone who loves the English language. Please don't fall into the camp of surrender to the overwhelming number of lazy writers (not to mention editors). Many of your readers look to you to be the rear guard in the struggle to conserve our waning civilization.

    Please note:

    "Try and" is common enough in speech, but it's out of place in formal prose. Use "try to."
    (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/t.html)

    "The phrase try and is colloquial for try to. [. . .]
    (http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#66)

    Shoulder-to-shoulder with you in the struggle,

    Ian

  • Adam

    Steyn is certainly correct about the unsustainability of lavish public social benefits. What he overlooks, though, are the PRIVATE ones–a drain that's as bad here in North America as in Europe. I was talking with a woman who boasted that her grocery store health and pension benefits were better than those of city police union members. Huh?! About $1,500 of the cost of a new car is employee health insurance premiums and pension funding. The overhead (marketing costs, profits, duplication) of private health and pension funds is about double that of government-run ones, and they don't have the same monopsonistic leverage over things like drug costs and fee schedules. This gets passed on to consumers, as much as any 'socialistic' healthcare tax…but the consumer (i.e., 'tax-payer') doesn't benefit. And when one of these companies implodes, the would-be beneficiaries don't get one red cent.

    On the public healthcare and pension front, immigration is making things worse. We have Bill C-428, the Actuarial Armageddon Act, and thousands of elderly family reunification immigrants with costly health problems (heart disease, diabetes). The Cons won't address this issue, as they've sold their souls to ethnic voters (e.g., Devinder Shory) and the real estate sector. Really, the real estate lobbies (banks, REITs, speculators, construction and development companies) were behind the Trudeaupian-Mulroneyist mass immigration surge: thousands of warm bodies annually mean neverending housing starts and associated infrastructure (roads, schools). Of course, this comes with environmental costs, like loss of farmland and escalating stress on freshwater supplies. However, the 'environmentalists' have been bought off–look at the David Suzuki Foundation's donor list–and criticising immigration is 'bigoted'. Actually, GREEK developers have a way of opening up natural areas and farmland, even bolder than their equally-sleazy North American counterparts: they simply set fire to whole areas (arson is SO much more effective than eminent domain and zoning laws).

  • Brenda Risner

    present: sneak
    past: sneaked
    past participle: (have, has, had) sneaked

  • Adam

    "…whether [Canadian] fertility is as low as Steyn claims."

    I don't know where Steyn gets this "Canadians aren't having enough babies" business. 'Only' 1/3rd of Canada's population GROWTH is due to the 'naitive' birthrate. I suspect he's using 1950s mortality figureas and 2Ks birthrates, or maybe aping the Conference Board of Canada's corporate-funded propaganda. The fact remains that we're in no danger of 'demographic collapse'–only developers and real estate lobbyists are worrying about not having more warm bodies. Japan is one society Steyn goes on and on about, but that is a grossly-overpopulated country, which can't grow enough food within its borders. This is already an issue in South Korea, which has been leasing farmland in Ukraine and elsewhere. Less than 5% of Canada is arable, mostly around metro areas that are succumbing to sprawl. And agricultural outputs have been declining since about 2003. Like many conservatives, Steyn pooh-poohs environmental issues. Southern Alberta, the U.S. Southwest, India (acute, since much of the irrigation water comes from non-renewing 'fossil' aquifers) and other regions are butting against their freshwater supply, as population grows. (This, BTW, is what prompted Okotoks to cap its population.) Overpopulation is a deadly-serious issue that's too un-PC for right wingers (Mark Steyn, the Vatican) and lefties (Socialist Workers Party, No One Is Illegal)) to admit, for different reasons. While Steyn raises some valid points, beware of his 'be fruitfull and multiply' crypto-thumper biases. 'Think-Tanks' like the Cato Institute and Conference Board of Canada are just business-funded lobby groups.

  • John Gordon

    It's amazing how quickly Bush and the Republicans squandered Clinton's $1 Trillion surplus, into a world wide recession and economic crisis threatening to become a depression. Bush's $2 Trillion war in Iraq and his $1.3 Trillion hand out to the extremely rich, and Bush $1 Trillion bailout of the big Banks has caused an international financial crisis. This is not Greece's fault, this is Bush's fault.

    • Elizabeth T

      Please don't stop there. Can you not blame Bush for the poor planet being gobbled up by it's sun out there in our galaxy. Perhaps you can eventually extrapolate all of the world's ills. Find a new tune friend, or at least change the lyrics now and again. The Blame Bush Cult of Victimhood serves no constructive purpose toward furthering the debate. Seeking to address and correct profligacy is more critical than tedious kvetching.
      You may find some debate out in the sphere that the real blame lies with the Roosevelts and Wilson for teeing up the U.S.'s gallop toward insolvency. Oh, let's not forget LBJ!

      • Adam

        You could blame the sainted JFK and Ronnie Reagan for pissing away zillions on two things: porkbarrel Space and aerospace (SST, NASP, SDI–none of which produced ANY functioning hardware) and a bloated Navy (largely useless even during the Cold War era). Oh, and Ronnie gave Americans an illegal alien amnesty and the Taliban-al Qaeda problem, thanks to supporting the mysogenistic pederast Qur'an-thumpers known as the Mujahedin. Bush Sr. Capped this off with the Savings & Loan bailout; his son gave Americans a pointless $700B+ was in Iraq (and the bogus WMD story to go with it), along with trying to sneak in another illegal alien amnesty and hiring 'diversity' cases like Nidal Hasan. One could say many unkind things about Clinton (not just that he has Peyronie's disease), but creating the multi-trillion debt held by China isn't one of them.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CharlesMartel14 CharlesMartel14

          The Navy was useless even during the Cold War? That's hilarious. Ballistic missile submarines single handedly neutered the "decapitation" theory that some, both US and Soviet, espoused at one time. If you are a global, or even a regional, power nobody is going to successfully invade your country without establishing sea dominance, and a navy of your own is the best way to prevent that. And what about global projection of air power? US Naval air power puts most of the Earth within reach, all without the need for fixed land bases. I agree with some of your other assertions, but I can't believe you even said that about the Navy.

  • minaka

    Amazing how much socialist denial and ignorance can be packed into four lines. Not even worth addressing someone who believes that Bush is responsible for Greece's decades of indolence and corruption and the poorly thought out morphing of Europe into a giant socialist income redistributor from the productive and frugal to the lazy and spendthrift across countries now instead of merely across citizens of one country. Whatever the scale, socialism always ends the same way. Its leaders run out of other people's money to redistribute and everyone's living standard plummets except the elite who caused the problem because they are unable to learn from experience or history and whose singular genius like idiot savants is propaganda and indoctrination of the same bad and failed ideas.

    I will not repeat my comments easily found above that explain how Clinton and the Democrats manufactured the poison pill of forced bank mortgages to minority poor credit risks and the Democrat Congress of Bush's last two years stubbornly refused correction.

    Gordon like a typical leftist bot just wants to repeat his mantra that Bush is responsible for everything that has gone wrong on the globe for decades before and after his 8 years in power, the last 2 with a Dem/dim Congress.

    • Adam

      People defaulting on their bait-&-switch subprime mortgages shouldn't've been a problem. After all, you can always resell a house…IF there is a market for it. Part of the Dubya illegal alien amnesty was a pump-prime for the housing market. Also, there were staggeringly-idiotic things, like allowing reinsurers and insurers to cover bad debts, even when they didn't have the liquid reserves to pay losses, and allowing the existence of private credit rating agencies–PAID BY THEIR CLIENTS TO RATE THEM (this huge conflict of interest wasn't lost on employees of Equifax, &c., who also thought it was nuts). Top this off with legal short selling and sundry 'imaginary capitalist' instruments so complex that economists couldn't explain them (i.e., smoke and mirrors Ponzi scams).

      Capitalism is functional, when it involves investment–NOT speculation–in actual, productive industries; 'illiquid and complex' financial instruments should simply be outlawed, allong with real estate and international currency speculation, and short selling. Governments need to take over credit rating agencies, and insurers shouldn't be allowed to cover speculaltors. Otherwise, we risk going "whew!" and allowing speculators and Imaginary Capitalists to drag us into an even worse crisis, next time.

  • Elizabeth S.

    It seemed every so often, there was a big war that took out a portion of the population (of many countries around the world) or a disease with high mortality rates, i.e. the plague, Spanish Influenza, etc. It is in the recovery period after such population reducing events that people are spurred on by innovation and productivity. The Renaissance came on after a third of Europe was wiped out from the plague, the Industrial Revolution came on after all the wars of the 18th and early 19th century, post WWII productivity gave us the standard of living we are used to today. So it seems that for the fact Europe has created an economic system with the Euro and a system that would discourage wars, since it would be economically undesirable to go to war with someone you're tied to heavily, and disease is not so much an issue any more, the population has grown, people are not feeling the need to have as many children (why do you need more than one or two since disease won't kill them and they are unlikely to die in war) that the only way for the natural cycle to come about is to create a self-induced crisis.

    Think about it. It was been 65 years since the end of WWII. What is the longest period that Europe has experienced peace? Anyone care to answer? Anyone? How long? We now have two+ generations in Europe who have not had to deal with a war on their own lands. Baby Boomers, Generation X & Generation Y.

    When whole families are wiped out, that causes people to want to have more children and secure a genetic line. When people face starvation, it makes people appreciate the wealth and prosperity that follow war and crisis, and to not over-indulge incase of a future time of famine. It is the time of the empire of Europe, who has not experienced hardship or has been faced with the time of dire circumstances. A victim of it's own peacetime success, much like Rome and the emperors who grew complacent in their own prosperity..

  • John Gordon

    The US middle class just bailed out the almighty US economy TWICE, $1 Trillion under Bush, and $1 Trillion under Obama…so how is $150 Billion to bail out the Greeks any different? This author and this article are racist, calling the Greeks lazy. The author forgets the Greeks' contribution to Western Civilization, including Democracy, Art, Philosophy, Medicine, Astronomy, The Olympics, even the steam engine, mathematics, geometry, theory of the Atom. It seems the Greeks should've filed Intellectual Property rights on all their ideas…we would've owed them over $200 Trillion now. Stop bashing the Greeks, without whom, Americans and Canadians would all STILL be swinging through trees.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CharlesMartel14 CharlesMartel14

      What does the Greece of 2500 years ago have to do with the modern economic situation there? I'll answer it for you: nothing.

      Your continued insistence that it was somehow "Republicans" and "capitalism" that caused the American economic crisis has become tiresome. If anything what we're witnessing is the effect of trying to take a capitalist engine and mount it into the confines of a socialist chassis. If I take a V8 engine and impose handicaps on it, allowing it to run on only half of its cylinders the result will be something with neither the power nor efficiency of a purpose-built 4 cylinder engine. It is undeniable that the bursting of the subprime mortgage bubble precipitated the wider economic crisis, and it is also undeniable that the conditions of the subprime bubble were mandated by Democrat lawmakers. The risky mortgages that you will no doubt ascribe to corporate greed were in reality granted in order to be in compliance with the law. The warning bells were rung loudly about Fannie and Freddie, coincidentally by the Republicans you accuse of authoring the crisis, but were flippantly disregarded by ranking House banking expert Barney Frank.

      How is the bailout of Greece different? Didn't you already answer that with your prefatory clause? The *US* bailouts were funded by *US* taxpayers (who have not yet been born, and are certainly more likely to be among the so-called rich rather than the middle class, but I suspect a proper discussion of that would induce far too much cognitive dissonance for you). The resistance to the Greek bailout is based on the fact that it takes wealth from productive people like the Germans, and sends it off to Never Never Land where a wholly infeasible socioeconomic system will simply use it as a temporary fix to keep Mr. Jones at bay for just a tad longer.

  • John Gordon

    What "Democrat" lawmakers are you talking about when the Republicans controlled Congress 1994-2007 and they supported Bush's "Ownership Society". So, Republicans controlled all power 2000-2007 and destroyed the record economy handed to them. If Republics knew about an imminent crash of Fannie and Freddy why didn't they do something about it or re-regulate the banks?

    Clinton handed Bush $1 Trillion in surpluses, and what did Bush do with it? We saw the results in Bush's disasterous rule with the national landslide that brought Obama and the Dems into power.

    So what if wealth is taken from the Germans and sent to the Greeks? In America we take wealth from the Blue state and send it to the poor Red states all the time. Germany owes Greece untold Billions from their illegal occupation during WWII anyway. The problems in Greece are also caused by the wealthy and the powerful not paying their taxes. The poor and middle class Greeks are caught in the middle and trying to stay afloat with their Euro 600 a month wages. This author's claim that Athens is violent is rediculous as Athens' crime rates are amongst the lowest in the world.

  • John Gordon

    In the Paris Reparations Agreement of 1946 the German war crimes against Greece were billed at 7.1 billion US dollars. A few years later, under the threat of the oncoming Cold War, Germany was already needed by the Allies in the struggle against communism. For this reason, it was agreed in the London Agreement of 1953 that the recognised reparation demands against Germany should be postponed – until a final settlement in a later peace treaty.____Germany also during occupation (1941-1944) was given a mandatory loan from Greece (yes from Greece to Germany) to the size of 3,5 billions USD.____A total sum of 10,6 billions USD at 1938 prices, not today. Even at a modest interest of 4%, this money accounts to 130 billions USD, half of the total debt of Greece!__This war reparations does not take into account the cultural objects stolen of Greece stolen during occupation, neither the massacres of civilians – over 300,000 Greeks died during the occupation and ensuing civil war.__Before the minister of economy of Germany says that Germans are not liable of the faults of Greeks, he should pay back the faults of his ancestors, money that was lawfully is to be given to Greece, and then half of Greek debt will be paid.____

  • Dude

    Best article I've read on this topic so far.

    Worst? Chris Hedges insane ranting about the forthcoming end of capitalism

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/joeblough joeblough

    Is there anybody reading here who isn't ready to do whatever it takes to handle this … starting right now?

    Have you told everybody that you know that it's urgent?

  • Jerry Dykman

    So Europe is depopulating by a falling birthrate? Europe has had human settlement for over 8,000 years. That long ago the bears, birds and the trees had a fighting chance. Maybe they'll get it back. Between Kenora and Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, a Canadian can wander three miles either side of the Trans Canada, get lost, die of exposure, and no one would ever find him or her. That would be impossibe in China, India, or Europe, who all envy our wilderness. There is more to life than pavement and gridlock, asembly lines and computer cubicles, so called economic growth, and possibly, booksales?

  • http://www.buyerbeaware.blogspot.com David Jeremiah

    What happened to the Greek Economy after the Iceland Economy has shaken every nation on earth. Every Nation on earth was building the National Economy on Debt since the last 65 years! However, From 1945 to 1990 these were in very gradual increments. Man, Nature and Systems could tolerate the abuse. But from 1990 to 2008 the rate of building nations on debt took an exponential path due to the greed of the Banking Oligarchs. They saw a system that worked in their favour and could not wait 100 years to get the wealth. They wanted it in 10 years! This tore the system apart and exposed the failure of the SYSTEM to every sovereign nation on earth. Now every world economy is on the verge of currency revaluation to deal with sovereign debt. For the 1st time in 65 years every nation is telling their citizens of the National Debt and preparing them for austerity measures before Riots play out on the streets the world over due to nobody's fault except the greed of the Banking Oligarchs who initiated the Exponential Growth of Debt, The Meltdown, The Stimulus, The Hyperinflation and The Coming Great Depression !!!!!

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