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The Commons: Anatomy of an outrage

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:10pm - 130 Comments

The Scene. The afternoon culminated in a protracted and passionate debate, the crux of the discussion being perhaps the most profound question facing Western democracy and human discourse as we enter the second decade of this new century: To what extent should one be allowed to stand and publicly accuse another of evil?

In this particular context—within the walls of the House of Commons, members on all sides rising in the moments after Question Period on points of order to vent and plead and attempt reason—it might easily be dismissed as a matter of Parliamentary procedure. But then what happens here is, quite literally, a representation of us—of who we are, and what we become, when taken together. And so here we find ourselves.

Consider the case of Mark Holland, the Liberal member for Ajax—Pickering.

The 15 minutes before Question Period are, each day, allotted for MPs of any rank to stand and say, in the space of 30 seconds or so, whatever it is they wish. This is, in theory, a time to celebrate local bake sales, honour notable constituents or express solidarity with some cause or another. It is, in recent practice, also an open opportunity to freely impugn.

“Mr. Speaker, Liberals have yet again shown that they care more about criminals than about victims or taxpayers,” reported Ed Fast, the Conservative MP for Abbotsford with his few moments this afternoon. “Yesterday, the Liberal MP for Ajax—Pickering shamefully defended prisoners getting taxpayer funded old age security benefits.”

He proceeded to repeat various authorities heaping praise on a government bill that would suspend the payment of old-age benefits to elderly prisoners—a change the government is pursuing now, four years after it was elected, having only just realized that a notorious murderer was receiving a monthly cheque for $1,100.

“The Liberals should stop listening to prisoners and instead listen to Canadians who want this bill to pass,” Mr. Fast concluded.

Question Period commenced shortly thereafter and slightly more than halfway through a government backbencher, Paul Calandra of Oak Ridges—Markham, was sent up with a query. “Mr. Speaker, I was shocked yesterday when I heard the Liberal MP for Ajax—Pickering defend the practice of paying old age security to prisoners,” he proclaimed.

“Shame on him!” heckled Shelly Glover, the Conservative MP for Saint-Boniface. “Shame on him!”

“Even though hardworking taxpayers already foot the bill for prisoners’ room and board, the Liberals actually think that prisoners should receive even more benefits, benefits that are intended only for low income seniors,” Mr. Calandra continued. “Can the minister tell us what she is hearing from Canadians who actually care about victims and taxpayers?”

Over then to Diane Finley, the Minister for Human Resources, to stand and pronounce her outrage. “Mr. Speaker, it is quite evident, once again, the Liberals care more about prisoners than they do about taxpayers or Canadian victims of crime,” she reported. “The honourable member’s comments were offensive to Canadians right across this country, were offensive to victims of crime. I suggest he withdraw them, with shame.”

Not once in all this were Mr. Holland’s comments repeated. The viewer was apparently meant to take Ms. Finley and Mr. Calandra and Mr. Fast’s word for it, to imagine just how heinously Mr. Holland had professed his love for criminals, how explicitly he had dismissed tax-paying citizens and how cruelly he had mocked the concern of crime victims.

A check with Ms. Finley’s office after the fact reveals Mr. Holland’s outrageous words—spoken to reporters yesterday afternoon—to be these.

“You know, clearly we don’t want to make it a situation where somebody who’s in jail and committed a minor offense is suddenly losing their, their pension.”

(He was, for the record, asked for comment on the government proposal. And his full answer, as recorded by the transcription service employed by the press gallery, was as follows. “Well we’re going to have to look at it.  This government has a tendency to try to play games with crime and I think this might be another example. We want to take a look at what exactly the government is going to propose, who it’s going to impact.  You know, clearly we don’t want to make it a situation where somebody who’s in jail and committed a minor offense is suddenly losing their, their pension. But you know, obviously we’re going to have to look at it.”)

Those are the words upon which shame is pronounced. Those are the words upon which Mark Holland is said to be in league with the worst of our society. Those are the words upon which Mark Holland is said to be evil.

This is how this now goes. This is the game—the rules of play now so accepted these allegations of moral contempt passed quite unremarkably, passively accepted by everyone within earshot as fair or unavoidable or predictable or something.

The tempest that followed had nothing specifically to do with the allegations leveled, rightly or wrongly, against Mr. Holland, but with another allegation of evil entirely. For more than a half hour, the House raged, largely without resolution. However hallowed this institution, the matter would seem to exceed even the bonds of practice and procedure that govern these proceedings.

The Stats. Brian Mulroney, five questions each. Israel, the oil industry and foreign affairs, four questions each. The G20, three questions. Securities regulation, medical isotopes, banks, Aboriginal affairs, the economy, visas, two questions each. Crime, firearms, First Nations University and the environment, one question each.

Ted Menzies, six answers. Christian Paradis and Rob Nicholson, five answers each. Peter Kent and Bev Oda, four answers each. John Baird and Chuck Strahl, three answers each. Jason Kenney, two answers. Leona Agulkkaq, Diane Finley, Dave MacKenzie and Mark Warawa, one answer each.

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  • Westener

    Is not the Federal Pen. for people who commit quite serious crimes? I thought minor infractions were sentienced to Provincial jails.

  • Sue

    I think that parliamentary privilege should be done away with. Maybe we would hear more of the truth in the House. Freedom to debate has been totally debased by this government.

  • tedbetts

    I really am so very very sick of these juveniles in our government and getting angrier by the day over these kinds of antics that only show contempt for Canadians.

    It is belittling and mockery of Parliament. Belittling and mockery of government. Belittling and mockery of democracy. Belittling and mockery of the Conservative Party. Belittling and mockery of the very seriousness of the crimes addressed and the victims of those crimes. Belittling and mockery of Canada and Canadians. I am so sick of it.

    “The honourable member’s comments were offensive to Canadians right across this country, were offensive to victims of crime. I suggest he withdraw them, with shame.”

    Indeed your words were Mr. Fast, Mr. Calandra and Ms Finley, and I hope you do withdraw them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    Couple that with the ridiculous and anti-democratic and very juvenile behaviour of Baird, Paradis and Goodyear in committee today, and some wonder why a majority eludes the Conservatives? and why their trust level among Canadians keeps going down?

    They are our government. Do none of them have any personal sense of shame or honour in the conduct of the highest offices in the country?

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    I'll second that sentiment.

    When Baird plays these stupid games – as he did again to committee, today – he's just being his loathsome self, but for the run-of-the-mill backbencher to engage in this crap I'd like to believe is largely out of character. Indeed, I think it is acknowledged that the PMO wites the attacks and just assigns a Con member to read them. Do these MPs have so little self respect that they simply read anything put in their hands? Sure, the PMO would crush them if they dared stray, but my gawd, what an absolutely miserable existence.

    Or in the alternative, they could all be pathological pension-grubbing slugs.

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    Further to Flanagan's article this week, since we are in perpetual campaign mode, these are just attack ads paid for from the House of Commons budget.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

    tedbetts….take a deep breath. If this is the most serious thing you can get exsized about then the country is in good hands.

    Trouble is all you anti Harper people can talk about and yes criticize is process, tactics and strategies. If you didn't have this to rail about you would be lost in the wilderness.

    Come to think of it you are all lost in the wilderness of losers who think that everything done is an affront to democracy. Try putting forward some real policies that people can discuss and maybe more people would start listening.

    Right now you all sound like a bunch of whiny babies who are desperate to find an easy way back to power.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

    tedbetts……..it may be juvenile to you but the fact is we have a tyranny of the minority. Does the committee believe that Soudas has anything of relevance to say on Access to Information or are they simply on a witch hunt? We both know the answer to this question.

    There is a whole bureaucracy that handles ATI requests. It is they who know how the system works and what impediments the government may or may not be imposing. They are bureaucrats and lawyers.

    The Ministers are right. It is they who are accountable to Parliament not the Director of Communications for the PM.

    You guys are going to lose this battle and if you want there could be an election over this issue as well as the Detainee issue. So keep it up and your feckless leader could find himself in an election.

  • robert

    The whole idea is to make a mockery of the process, keep it as juvenile as possible, poison debate and…create a cynical voter by making him/her 'turn-off' and not show up to vote!
    Works fine in Alberta why not at the federal level.
    Just more of the long term political strategy laid by Stephen Harper (with help from the American righty fringe)

  • ex-DeepRiverite

    Looks to me like the groundwork being prepared for another Harper declaration that "parliament is dysfunctional and we need an election". :-{

  • danby

    A paperless 10 percenter spread courtesy of the media.
    No matter what rules and laws are passed, if there is no respect for the spirit of their intent, then there are weaselly ways around them.

  • Dave

    Can someone in Ottawa West tell the rest of us what you see in John Baird? Whatever it is, I don't see it.

    Bonus points if you can also tell us what the deal is with Pierre Poilievre.

  • Out There

    The Conservatives are going to find it difficult to recruit talented men and women to run for the Conservative Party if part of the job description of being an MP is to recite partisan nonsense on demand.

  • Dave

    Especially with Milliken in the chair.

    If it was me, an "SO31" aimed at impugning another MP would get you a session suspension from any future "SO31" time-slots.

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    Ottawa West is a swing riding that typically goes the the party forming the government. Those folks like their bread buttered. Baird will be out on his butt as soon as the wind shifts. Provincial MPP is a Lib.

    Nepean Carleton is a traditional conservative (i.e. PC) riding. Pierre "The Weasel" is largely uneducated, smarmy and sniveling. He really has no attributes that I can see which make him suitable for anything other than trained seal. That said, he is like white on rice at community events and glad-handing hereabouts. The rurals love The Weasel. That slight hint of what some might see as racism (e.g., his First Nations comments) plays in some corners. At an all candidates debate in the last election, the local Green candidate – a female entrepreneur – utterly demolished him on every question of substance. Nevertheless, he's safe so long as Harper is around to protect him, but he'll quickly disappear otherwise.

    What do I win?

  • wondering

    Good question!

  • Dave

    What, the bonus points weren't enough?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

    exDeep as a Conservative supporter and not a paid blogger I certainly hope that Harper is preparing the country for an election. Like others I am sick to death of the shenanigans of the opposition parties. It is time to put the Liberals to bed for four years and le them get a real leader and rejuveniate from the bottom up. Four years should do that nicely.

  • lenny

    "we have a tyranny of the minority"

    We certainly do. But you lost me after that. How does allowing that minority to strip Parliament of even more powers make it better?

  • ahm

    If you know the answer to the question, and the person you're asking knows, then asking it is really annoying, even as a rhetorical device. Try to write better, please. Thank you.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    What you have with Finley and the Soudas/Baird fiasco is a display of both a culture of deceit for political gain coupled with a government that thinks it is above the law. And we are seeing this more and more from this government.

    The government does not get to pick and choose what rules, what laws it will comply with. The government does not get to pick and choose what it will be accountable for and what not.

    The Ministers were right when they were in opposition asking for political staffers with relevant information to come to committees. They are 100% wrong on the law here. And they are not above the law.

    In 2008, we elected a minority government to keep Harper in check. If he doesn't like what we Canadians decided, then he can break his fixed election date law again and call an election. Until then, he must comply with the law and Parliament as constituted.

    Period.

  • Thwim

    In many ways this is true because Harper hasn't done crap.
    Just about every time he has a piece of legislation ready to pass, he prorogues, so there's little else to criticize him on lately (other than taking the taxpayer's money and basically wasting everybody's time).

    I mean hell, last election he didn't even make any promises he could break.. oh wait.. he did promise not to raise taxes and then raise Employment Insurance.. I suppose he wouldn't want to break a perfect record.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    Let me ask you honestly: is Finley's deceit honourable conduct in your view? does it make your and my government look good or bad? does it make governance better or worse?

    Those are the important questions.

    Regardless of how bad the opposition is, it is no excuse for the kind of Nixonian behaviour of this government. Canadians deserve better from our government. That has nothing to do with the Liberals or the NDP or the Bloc.

  • tobyornotoby

    Did Chong mention member statements in his bill or did he just speak to Question Period alone? Member statements are hardly advancing the cause of democratic representation. At best they are a time for making backbenchers feel like they have a part to play in the House of Commons, but since the Government side seems to be arriving with scripts in hand, I can't see that is being accomplished.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    I don't recall anything in Chong's bill about members' statements.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

    lenny….sorry I missed your point.

  • hollinm

    ahm…….If you don't like how I compose my comments you are free to move on. Boy are you arrogant. I have a mind to watch your posts and offer comments on their style versus substance. As I say move on if you don't like it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

    tedbetts…..what law is the government breaking.? There are Commons rules and precedence etc but they are sure not enacted in law.

    What don't you understand? It is the Minister who is responsible to Parliament, not the staffers. Despite not having to testify at committees the Ministers are saying they will voluntarily comply. You would think that would make the opposition happy. Ask the bureaucrats who run ATI for the information.

    It is a witch hunt hoping in their desperation they will find someone who will throw mud on the government. The key point of your comment was "relevant information". The opposition has no idea who has relevant information or not. They are simply demanding anybody who they "think" may have been involved. Bureaucrats are more likely to reveal something than a staffer who relies on a Minister for employment.

    Tell me. The committee had Guy Giorno before them and what did they learn? Nothing absolutely nothing. It was a complete waste of time. However, it sure got them a headline and they are no better off after wasting 2 hours.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    You are really reaching her hollinm. Parliament and committees have the power and authority to call any witness and to subpoena them and to throw them into jail for non-compliance. The CPC is not even denying that'is the law; they just think the law shouldn't apply to them.

    It is not only a question of accountability but fact finding. We have evidence that political staffers are directly interfering with the ATI process and breaking the law in the process. Only staffers can tell us factually on their own activities. That is not a witch hunt. That is all very relevant to an inquiry into the government with the worst ATI record ever.

    What exactly are they trying to hide? Why are they so afraid of Canadians finding out what we are entitled know about our own government and how it operates?

    If Harper doesn't like our democracy and how it is set up, then he should call an election and ask for a different mandate rather than acting like he is above the law.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    I believe he's suggesting that the Conservative minority is tyrannical.

  • lenny

    It was a question. You seem to decry the tyranny of the minority government, then go on to defend the government's attempting to seize lawful parliamentary powers.
    Or are you saying the "tyranny of the minority" is a good thing?

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