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The Commons: Anatomy of an outrage

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:10pm - 130 Comments

The Scene. The afternoon culminated in a protracted and passionate debate, the crux of the discussion being perhaps the most profound question facing Western democracy and human discourse as we enter the second decade of this new century: To what extent should one be allowed to stand and publicly accuse another of evil?

In this particular context—within the walls of the House of Commons, members on all sides rising in the moments after Question Period on points of order to vent and plead and attempt reason—it might easily be dismissed as a matter of Parliamentary procedure. But then what happens here is, quite literally, a representation of us—of who we are, and what we become, when taken together. And so here we find ourselves.

Consider the case of Mark Holland, the Liberal member for Ajax—Pickering.

The 15 minutes before Question Period are, each day, allotted for MPs of any rank to stand and say, in the space of 30 seconds or so, whatever it is they wish. This is, in theory, a time to celebrate local bake sales, honour notable constituents or express solidarity with some cause or another. It is, in recent practice, also an open opportunity to freely impugn.

“Mr. Speaker, Liberals have yet again shown that they care more about criminals than about victims or taxpayers,” reported Ed Fast, the Conservative MP for Abbotsford with his few moments this afternoon. “Yesterday, the Liberal MP for Ajax—Pickering shamefully defended prisoners getting taxpayer funded old age security benefits.”

He proceeded to repeat various authorities heaping praise on a government bill that would suspend the payment of old-age benefits to elderly prisoners—a change the government is pursuing now, four years after it was elected, having only just realized that a notorious murderer was receiving a monthly cheque for $1,100.

“The Liberals should stop listening to prisoners and instead listen to Canadians who want this bill to pass,” Mr. Fast concluded.

Question Period commenced shortly thereafter and slightly more than halfway through a government backbencher, Paul Calandra of Oak Ridges—Markham, was sent up with a query. “Mr. Speaker, I was shocked yesterday when I heard the Liberal MP for Ajax—Pickering defend the practice of paying old age security to prisoners,” he proclaimed.

“Shame on him!” heckled Shelly Glover, the Conservative MP for Saint-Boniface. “Shame on him!”

“Even though hardworking taxpayers already foot the bill for prisoners’ room and board, the Liberals actually think that prisoners should receive even more benefits, benefits that are intended only for low income seniors,” Mr. Calandra continued. “Can the minister tell us what she is hearing from Canadians who actually care about victims and taxpayers?”

Over then to Diane Finley, the Minister for Human Resources, to stand and pronounce her outrage. “Mr. Speaker, it is quite evident, once again, the Liberals care more about prisoners than they do about taxpayers or Canadian victims of crime,” she reported. “The honourable member’s comments were offensive to Canadians right across this country, were offensive to victims of crime. I suggest he withdraw them, with shame.”

Not once in all this were Mr. Holland’s comments repeated. The viewer was apparently meant to take Ms. Finley and Mr. Calandra and Mr. Fast’s word for it, to imagine just how heinously Mr. Holland had professed his love for criminals, how explicitly he had dismissed tax-paying citizens and how cruelly he had mocked the concern of crime victims.

A check with Ms. Finley’s office after the fact reveals Mr. Holland’s outrageous words—spoken to reporters yesterday afternoon—to be these.

“You know, clearly we don’t want to make it a situation where somebody who’s in jail and committed a minor offense is suddenly losing their, their pension.”

(He was, for the record, asked for comment on the government proposal. And his full answer, as recorded by the transcription service employed by the press gallery, was as follows. “Well we’re going to have to look at it.  This government has a tendency to try to play games with crime and I think this might be another example. We want to take a look at what exactly the government is going to propose, who it’s going to impact.  You know, clearly we don’t want to make it a situation where somebody who’s in jail and committed a minor offense is suddenly losing their, their pension. But you know, obviously we’re going to have to look at it.”)

Those are the words upon which shame is pronounced. Those are the words upon which Mark Holland is said to be in league with the worst of our society. Those are the words upon which Mark Holland is said to be evil.

This is how this now goes. This is the game—the rules of play now so accepted these allegations of moral contempt passed quite unremarkably, passively accepted by everyone within earshot as fair or unavoidable or predictable or something.

The tempest that followed had nothing specifically to do with the allegations leveled, rightly or wrongly, against Mr. Holland, but with another allegation of evil entirely. For more than a half hour, the House raged, largely without resolution. However hallowed this institution, the matter would seem to exceed even the bonds of practice and procedure that govern these proceedings.

The Stats. Brian Mulroney, five questions each. Israel, the oil industry and foreign affairs, four questions each. The G20, three questions. Securities regulation, medical isotopes, banks, Aboriginal affairs, the economy, visas, two questions each. Crime, firearms, First Nations University and the environment, one question each.

Ted Menzies, six answers. Christian Paradis and Rob Nicholson, five answers each. Peter Kent and Bev Oda, four answers each. John Baird and Chuck Strahl, three answers each. Jason Kenney, two answers. Leona Agulkkaq, Diane Finley, Dave MacKenzie and Mark Warawa, one answer each.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    ROFL! … I love it ….

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

      No reasonable person could love this sort of drive by smear.
      It is a despicable example of low cunning and should offend all Canadians, regardless of their political stripes.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

        Just as, for example, calling Harper evil or "a snake" should offend all Canadians of every political stripe, yes?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ricard_S_Argent Richard_S_Argent

          Yep, the words of an elected Member of Parliament and those of an anonymous commenter on an internet message board are EXACTLY the same thing.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

          Ok, first, it wasn't danby who called Harper a snake.

          Second, the guy who did call Harper a snake? I'm, like, never going to vote for him.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

          Guanilon, it's no secret I do not care for the way Mr Harper conducts his business. Do I think he's a snake? – pretty much yes. Do I get together with my colleagues and collusively quote him out of context in the HoC? No.
          Everyone is entitled to an opinion, reasonable or not, but MP's are elected representatives and should aspire to a higher standard of conduct than those posting anonymously on a blog.

  • madeyoulook

    This is, in theory, a time to celebrate local bake sales, honour notable constituents or express solidarity with some cause or another. It is, in recent practice, also an open opportunity to freely impugn.

    This is, in reality, the time to kill off Members' Statements. Not a single reason you cite is justification for the wasted time of the Speaker, the Sergeant-at-Arms, the clerks, the pages, the stenographers, the translators. Maybe the MPs could just STFU for fifteen minutes and that is when the House of Commons staff could take a break. The country would be better off for the silence.

    • wellwell

      I agree. Those statements, like the ten percenters, are being spun into attack vehicles that cheapen our politics and poison debate. The Harper government has taken the lead on this. It's downright sad watching brain-dead Conservative backbenchers stand up one after another to read their assigned talking points. Their delivery is wooden, and their outrage is fabricated.

  • Orson Bean

    In "Reign of Error", Greg Weston's book about John Turner, it is revealed that when he was PM and opposition leader, Turner's derisive nickname for Question Period was "Bullsh_t Theatre".

    I am often reminded of that. For coming up with that perfect nickname alone and notwithstanding anything else, I value and admire John Turner.

    • M Newton

      I was a Liberal carded member and a John Turner supporter. I voted for several Liberals back to Pearson despite reservations about Trudeaumania. When he said "Just Watch Me" he had my vote on that issue.

      After a disastrous campaign by Turner, of whom I expected much, I became a Conservative. I supported Mulroney until he started playing fast and loose with the Quebec question. I agreed with all that he did except his Quebec stuff. It is not surprising that the PC almost disappeared as a party after that. I consider myself to be the equal of any Quebecer, NO-ONE can take that away from me.

      It is interesting that today that we actually may get a party majority drawn exclusively fron English Canada. As a national party they are offering Quebec local (provincial) decision making as they have been asking. If they end up voting for the Bloc then it will be a slow disolve into separation as they seem to wish.

  • tedbetts

    This is, come to think of it, the perfect example of what former Harper campaign manager and chief of staff Tom Flanagan was talking when he was so highly critical of his former student and calling his government a "garrison party".

    This is no way to run the government.

    • Orson Bean

      That's an interesting article, some really interesting ideas are raised there. Flanagan's no dummy.

    • My Opinion

      Did you watch Flanagan this afternoon on Power Play? He explained what he meant by "garrison government". He said any party would do the same in a minority position. And he also pointed out that when the Liberals had a majority, they shut down committees when it didn't go their way!

      • Orson Bean

        I think Flanagan's on to something more profound and far-reaching, though. It goes to the utter professionalism of political practice these days, the fact that it's almost down to a sort of science. It's like there could be a MBA degree in the black arts of politics. To be fair, of course all politicians, parties and governments are in "permanent campaign mode" to some extent. But part of Flanagan's point is that Harper & Co. have raised this to, arguably, an unprecedented level. And I agree that that does have some negative consequences, e.g., in terms of the sort of discourse we have, and probably the quality of policy debate.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

          Orson……perhaps it could be that the Conservatives have three opposition parties who are fighting them tooth and nail. The attempt by the coaltion of losers back in 08 to steal government shows the fragility of a minority government. Therefore one must be prepared for any eventuality at any time.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

            Poor babies. I'm playing my tiny violin for the Conservatives as we speak.

            Guess what? It's the Conservatives' job to lead government, and it's the opposition's job to counter them, challenge them, and debate them at every turn. That's how we get deliberative policy. That's how we make law that will function, with consequences that we are both aware of and intend.

            If you boys can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

  • http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ Open_Democracy

    "He proceeded to repeat various authorities heaping praise on a government bill that would suspend the payment of old-age benefits to elderly prisoners—a change the government is pursuing now, four years after it was elected, having only just realized that a notorious murderer was receiving a monthly cheque for $1,1000."

    A monthly cheque for $1,1000? Please, send me there!

    (Sorry for pointing out the typo – I make them too – but it did make this story even more evil).

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    • my opinion

      You're right. $1100 is for disabled people, not your average CPP taxpayer. What has Olson done to become disabled?

      • dju

        He's a senior… And all seniors are entitled to old age pension, and a guaranteed income supplement

        It has nothing to do with CPP

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

    Good lord, Shelly Glover has been on my radar for, what, three months?

    Already, the mere mention of her name makes me prepare myself to feel revulsion. So far, she's never proven me wrong.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

      Ministerial material, I'm sure

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

        She's working hard at it – sucking up to Harper by showing how she can memorize PM talking points and faux outrage and all.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

          OntarioTown and others……so now we have to attack an MP personally in order to make a point do we? Desperation thy name is Liberal, NDP and Bloc.

          Keep talking about the coalition. The ads are coming to a TV set near you. So sayeth Bob Fife on Power Play.

    • The Real Jan

      I find it disturbing that she is a police officer. She is too much of a hot head for that line of work.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/tobyornotoby tobyornotoby

        Talking points was her job at WPD. Media liaison officer.

    • jarrid

      Today's tolerant left.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/amherstvw amherstvw

    "Mr. Speaker, Liberals have yet again shown that they care more about criminals than about victims or taxpayer"

    Statements like this are just so contemptuous of citizens of Canada.
    Do the 'script kiddies' really think we accept this as fact?

    I HAD understood that Speaker Milliken was going to rule personal attacks out of order during 'Statements'. As others have said above, it's time to get rid of Members Statements and implement MP Chong's ideas.

    Maybe if PM Harper weren't flying far away in "CF 01" instead of leading his New Government of Canada … NO! … never mind!

    It makes people want to 'work strategically' for a party they don't necessarily agree with to get rid of local candidates of this government which promised so much and has delivered so little.

    • Dave

      Chong for Coalition leader?

    • Poker Face

      I think it's safe to say at this juncture, that despite his sage and wise ruling on parliamentary privilege, the only thing Mr. Milliken controls is his paycheque.

  • Michel Boucher

    madeyoulook suggested: "This is, in reality, the time to kill off Members' Statements. Not a single reason you cite is justification for the wasted time of the Speaker, the Sergeant-at-Arms, the clerks, the pages, the stenographers, the translators."

    … not to mention the transeditors, editors and research staff at Parliamentary Publications, who have to deal with all this crap every single day the House sits.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/mc79hockey mc79hockey

    I agree with Aaron that this is pretty much terrible but it's a problem that cuts both ways. At Ignatieff's speech in Toronto, he threw this line out there: "We didn’t tell women’s groups to “shut the f— up,” or lose their funding—they did."

    Good line and I'm sure it got some cheers but it wasn't at all a fair representation of what happened. If you follow politics at all, it's completely tiresome. I'm no student of media but I wonder if the press reporting some of the grosser distortions would be useful in making this go away. If every mention of the Tory comments about Holland was paired with what he actually said and just pointed out what complete nonsense the Tory position was or if every mention of that line in Iggy's speech pointed out what a joke the line was, there might start to be disincentive to do this sort of thing. As it stands, with the media being scrupulously neutral, you don't usually get that sort of context.

    • Orson Bean

      True, to the extent that the media usually can't resist a punchy headline or anecdote. And good politicians know that and serve that crap up for them.

      • The Real Jan

        He was quoting a member of the Conservative caucus.

    • Dave

      To Iggie's credit, he said that OUTSIDE the House, not from its priveleged interior. Even if you chopped off one (and a half) of his nads, he'd still have more than Paul Calandra, Ed Fast, and Diane Finley combined.

  • Dee

    We don't have a government of thinking, autonomous individuals. We have a government of mindless, robotic talking-point-machines. Is it any wonder many Canadians are disgusted by what they see in Ottawa?

  • http://kingstontlm.blogspot.com Paul

    Holland is only getting back what he dishes out. He's one of the most vile polemicists in there.

    • Holly Stick

      Evidence? Or just another vile Conservative smear?

      • Dave

        Seconded by the Hon. Member for Mom's Basement.

    • my opinion

      Agree. He's a young hothead who will say anything to get attention.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

        my opinion…he should enjoy himself because he is going to be defeated in the next election by a very competent opponent who has lots of credibility.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

      Why sink to his level, why not lead by example?

      • http://kingstontlm.blogspot.com Paul

        We're talking about politicians here.

        • Holly Stick

          So where are the specific examples to support your claim that he has behaved as a vile polemicist?

        • Phil

          I'm going to guess (hope?) that you say that only half seriously, the other half in jest.

          I expect much better from politicians, and I take these types of behaviours into account when casting a ballot.

          Also, I don't believe that there is any fundamental reason that politicians must behave this way, that it is simply in their nature for all of them to behave this way. I could be convinced that perhaps politics tends to draw an above average percentage of rude or obnoxious or hyperbolic (or whatever) people into the arena, but voters are under absolutely no obligation to vote for that type of person.

    • Gayle

      Really? Mark Holland goes into the House and suggests CPC MP's said something they never actually said? Does he go further and suggest that because one CPC MP said something (he never actually said) it means the entire Conservative Party must have meant that thing that was never actually said?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

      Sorry Paul but as much of a hothead as Holland may be, I am not aware of him outright lying about what others have said. So, unless you have any evidence to the contrary (and I note you have so far refused to provide any), then Holland is not getting back what he dishes out.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

        Holland is a hothead, and prone to misconstruing what Conservatives say in favour of his own talking points.

        I still don't think this justifies him being labelled as some sort of criminal sympathizer. Looking at a proposed bill to ensure nobody's gaming the others isn't a crime. It's his job.

  • Gaunilon

    "To what extent should one be allowed to stand and publicly accuse another of evil?"

    The viewer is apparently meant to take Mr. Wherry's word for it, to imagine just how heinously Mr. Fast had professed his opponents to be "evil", how explicitly he had dismissed duly elected MPs and how cruelly he had mocked the concerns of Parliamentarians.

    Whereas from the actual quotes, one sees the word "evil", and accusations concerning personal character, nowhere.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

      This comment is approximately as weak as the government's attacks on Mr. Holland today, as documented here.

      • t.braven

        The lack of the word 'evil' didn't stop guanloin from jumping for joy when his team protruded more muck from beneath the gutter… How droll for a CON troll…

        • Holly Stick

          Gaunilon thinks women who control their own bodies are evil and accuses them of being baby murderers in every discussion about abortion.

          • Poker Face

            And one wonders, with the behaviour in parliament above and the comments here, why we'll never have a serious discussion about abortion….

            Hmmm….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    On a side note, I completely agree that it is unproductive to accuse one's political opponents of being "evil".

    And I am delighted to see the Left-leaning commenters on this board come to that conclusion as well.

    • Risingsun

      So, was the assumption that only liberals thought it was productive to accuse one's politcal opponents as being `evil`
      or that both sides did? I was in the presence of Pierre Poilievre who called the Chinese `evil`. Now of course they aren`t his political opponents, i just think its absurd that we have these claim on labels. The whole Liberals love crimals thing is so absurd it`s depressing that in this day it is allowed to be uttered. Neither side should be allowed to behave this way, if indeed we 2 sides anyway. It`s not so black and white.

    • Holly Stick

      And Gaunilon calls women who have abortions baby murderers.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

        Holly Stick…..you have now repeated the same comment twice. Some us who do not believe in abortion other than for identified purposes do believe it is murder. Now have at it. We are all entitled to our own beliefs whether you like it or not.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

          do not believe in abortion other than for identified purposes

          Can you clarify that part of your comment for me? I'm interested to understand your rational, compared to G, who makes no exceptions, IIRC.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

            Phil……I really don't want to get into a discussion about abortion and so this is the last thing I will say on the subject.

            I do not want us to be go back to the old days of back alley abortions nor can I object to abortion because of rape or incest as examples. Canada has gone through the abortion debate. It is divisive and it is not very helpful. Politicians who want to use it as a wedge issue for partisan gain are irresponsible and in the end will hurt themselves politically as they try to expand their voter base.

            I believe that life begins at conception and to use abortion as a form of birth control is a very selfish act. There are many infertile couples who are looking to adopt.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

            H, thanks for your response.

      • Poker Face

        Ok, let me spell this out in the plainest terms possible:

        - Stop it, you're being childish.
        - Gaunilon's thoughts on abortion are the logical endpoint of the premise that life begins at conception, not 16 weeks later.

        Disagree with him if you must, but that ad hominem garbage has to stop, these aren't the Globe and Mail's comment boards.

        • Holly Stick

          Gaunilon sanctimoniously writes: "…it is unproductive to accuse one's political opponents of being "evil"…" while he is always eager to suggest that women who have abortions are baby murderers.

          Don't you have a problem with this kind of hyporcrisy? Is it ok to repeatedly imply that women are evil for making their own choices?

          • Holly Stick

            Is this post not about demonizing people you disagree with? Is it ok to demonize women? Is it ok to demonize feminists?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

            It's true that G takes a hard line approach wrt abortion. He believes that it is wrong in all situations, and is forceful about making that case. I believe that he also understands that that approach will have the effect of imposing hardships on women, but that's an acceptable part of a "tough love" approach.

            But to extrapolate that "tough love" into the belief that Gaunilon hates or demonizes women is a stretch.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

            I appreciate your attempt to call out the distortions above, (to which I generally do not bother to respond – it is worse than unproductive) but given your response I will just say that I think it could be stated a lot more simply.

            We all believe that certain things are evil. In my case that includes abortion. It does not follow, however, that we believe whoever does an evil thing must be an evil person. Nowhere have I ever said that a woman who gets an abortion is ipso facto an evil person. Nowhere.

          • Holly Stick

            Calling it "baby murder", which is a lie, is no different from saying that a woman who has an abortion is evil.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

            it is worse than unproductive

            My objectives are probably different than yours.

  • Risingsun

    I`m anxiously awaiting Hollinm to show up here. There`s bound to be a tangent twice removed that somehow smears the liberals on this one.

    • t.braven

      hollimhead is too busy doing his 4-7 Wednesday shift 'correcting' posts on craigslist as a member of the government of Canada's con-troll brigade… After 7:15, a fresh piece of tinfoil and he'll be back at it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

      Risingsun………I don't have to try and smear anyone. Iffy is doing a good job all by himself. In fact I get up in the morning open up the papers with enthusiasm because I know there will be a column or two chiping at what little credibility Iffy has left.

      However, I am glad you read my comments.

      • Risingsun

        Actually, read in the past tense. I quickly skip your comments and read what others have to say. I'm pretty sure you haven't said anything new, or helpful, in quite some time.
        Good get 'em "Steve", right?

  • Daniel Menard

    Just how sick is Macleans!? The magazine hosts a "Parliamentarian of the Year" for John Baird reception later the same day!

    • The Real Jan

      It must be one of those tongue in cheek awards. Surely.

    • Billybob42

      John Baird is one of the most divisive MP's this country has ever seen. He is a school yard bully. I just heard on the news Macleans gave him an award for MP of the year ????? Completely ridiculous.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

        Maclean's collected the votes of other MPs. He had the most, apparently. That Maclean's didn't alter the vote tallies to determine their own winner should be testament to some form of journalistic integrity.

    • Chef

      and Boob Rae

    • Orson Bean

      Does this mean Maclean's is evil then?

  • Ode2jo

    To name John Baird " Parliamentarian of the Year", surely you are joking? Please tell me you made a mistake… everytime that man opens his mouth in the House or in Committee I just want to throw up!
    Today he bullied the committee, he is a perfect example of a playground bullly and should be reprimanded for that… To give him an award is irresponsible and insults me as a Canadian.

  • Stan L

    By giving Baird Parliamentarian of the Year…..Macleans has now abdicated their right to an opinion on anything…..YOU MACLEANS are just as much a part of the problem as those Conservatives you sit there and pretend to wag your fingers at.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/austinso austinso

    What? The CPC is full of snivelling liars?

    The pathetic thing is that the Ministry of Truth already knows that the most of the mainstream media will just repeat this drivel as headline material without a bat of an eye…

  • AJS

    John Baird is a loud-mouthed bully and a disgrace. He represents everything that is wrong with our parliament today. He essentially acts as deputy Prime Minister in Harper's absence and is an utter embarrassment to Canada. It is disgusting that MacLeans has named him Parliamentarian of the Year; I will be canceling my subscription tomorrow.

    • Poker Face

      I feel like you, Ode2jo and BillyBob42 are the same person. I mean really, if you're going to troll, at least use different keywords and syntax than your compatriots/alter egos (bully, disgrace, identical captalizations, etc.)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

    Parliamentarian of the Year?!?!?!? in what sick reality could John Baird ever be considered to be a good parliamentarian!?? A shrewd politician, maybe.. Influencial? yes… Ubiquitous… also yes. But are these the sole criteria by which parliamentarians are to be judged? The man deliberately debases any discussion he takes part in.

    Journalists, many of them on this blog, lament the decline of political discourse in this country. Maybe they should take a good look at themselves, since the press actively encourages and rewards tantrums and theatrics (*with prizes*) rather than grown up behavior. It's not like there aren't other conservative MPs to choose from… Michael Chong, for instance, just tabled some substantive ideas to help reform question period. Or James Moore… not a total jerk. Even Jim Prentice, who is a lousy environment minister, at least acts with some level of integrity.

    As much as I enjoy many of the writers at Maclean's, and the wide array of viewpoints offered, apparently this publication has become another part of the problem with our politics. I really can't in good conscience read or buy this magazine anymore, and I will encourage everyone else I know to do the same. To endorse John Baird's type of behavior is just awful.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP Phil

      Nicely stated.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

      ooh, apparently the winners were decided by MPs themselves through a vote. Whoops. I guess I'll have to remove my foot from the back of my throat, and retract my previous diatribe. I'm still annoyed though. Maclean's should not put their name to any award that gives John Baird any sort of encouragement. Maybe next year they can have a veto/additional criteria/somehow disqualify enormous turds like Baird from winning anything.

      • Risingsun

        Isn't it even worse now! I mean, somehow the vote must have been split and every conservative MP followed orders to vote for said clown, thus emerging victorious.
        There`s a probably even sadder explanation.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

          You're right…. really reflects poorly on the conservatives MPs doesn't it? I mean it's one thing to tolerate someone like that in your party out of some practical/strategic need… but this? It's so gratuitous. Or like, do these people actually think Baird is what parliamentarians should aspire to be??? I'm not sure which motivation is worse actually.

          Still, at least it wasn't the maclean's editorial board or whatever that selected him. Because that would actually kill a small part of my soul.

      • The Real Jan

        I think the vote needs auditing.

  • Myles Leach

    This campaign of misinformation and smear is part of the overall strategy of the Conservatives to misrepresent, misconstrue, and mislead. It relies on the instant power of media to discredit its opponents. Egregiously taking comments out of context, cutting and pasting, and extrapolating conclusions designed to make their targets appear to have said things they have not said is just plain dishonest. But it has become the hallmark of this Conservative regime, which takes its strategems from the playbooks of the American Right. Why do they do it? Because it is effective. Edward R. Murrow once said: "A lie can get half way round the world before the truth gets its pants on." In the battle of the sound-byte the first shot is often the only one which goes to air. The camera moves on before any rebuttal. The casualty is the truth.

    • The Real Jan

      Any ideas on how to counter it?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/hardmouth hardmouth

        hahahah make a 'best of' video of Baird's tantrums, put it on an iPad, and start knocking on doors in his constituency.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

          Sort of like what was done to Kenney last week?
          [youtube uA_7HgiG780 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA_7HgiG780 youtube]

          • hardmouth

            wow what a liar…. how do you do that with a straight face?!? it's just so… shocking

    • RFS

      Well said, Myles. I think we would all like to see a respectful parliament, not one where the boorish tactics of morons are so painfully common in the Commons. Indeed, these tactics, regardless of who employs them, are so dishonest and transparent; why are these jerks getting elected in the first place? Their low-brow tactics truly blacken our Parliament. If you voted for one of these pinheads, it's time to reconsider who your MP is.

  • No Pinochet

    And then you have the audacity to name Baird the parliamentarian of the year, what a low thing for Canadians to aspire to!

  • cooper

    i will cancel mine as well. No credibility here. Yuck

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    "…the Liberals care more about prisoners than they do about taxpayers or Canadian victims of crime"

    Logic clearly not being the strong suit of they who authorized this talking point.

    • Oliver

      To all the people complaining about Baird getting the MP of the year: it wasn't MacLean's that voted, it was all other MPs and Maclean's simply went with the results all the other MPs gave them.
      Anyone with any sense of decency knows that Baird if a filthy excuse for an MP but if he was voted by his peers as the best MP, then so be it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Memi_S Memi_S

    Mark Holland appears to be one of the most intelligent members of Parliament. I don't find his comments to be anything but fair. He did not say "give child molesters" their full pension rights! His statement was sensible.

    What to me is not sensible is the Minority Government's severe allergic reaction to reason, fairness and Parliamentary civility, which is going down the Hill for the last four years we've had to listen to some of this Parliament's neanderthals.

    Messrs. Layton, Ignatieff, Duceppe and the independent members appear to be far more reasonable and qualified to speak on behalf of ordinary Canadians than the Televangelical Apostles of Slander in the Conservative Bullyboy Choir!

    I pray each day that this unfathomably immature Minority Theatre of the Absurd folds up and goes down south (Mississipi, Arkansa, Alabama….their soul mates Rush Limbaugh and Sara Palin would welcome them with open arms!)….

    Canadian Parliamentary Democracy is indeed being "diminished" as the socialist rag the Economist once said in an editorial of January of this year! We have a bunch of "ruthless tacticians" at the helm who are nothing but Schoolyard bullies…

    • old fogey

      You should make an appointment with your doctor-you are sick.

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