The end of the great stimulus experiment

ANDREW COYNE: The mystery is how it got started

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, June 14, 2010 11:02am - 69 Comments

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“Finance ministers of the world’s leading economies have been so spooked by the sovereign debt crisis that they have decided they can no longer wait until economies are growing strongly before they remove fiscal stimulus . . . The communiqué of the meeting made clear the G20 no longer thought expansionary fiscal policy was sustainable or effective in fostering recovery because investors were no longer confident about some countries’ public finances.”
—Financial Times, June 5

So the great Policy Panic is over: born of the financial crisis of 2008, expired in the fiscal crisis of 2010. Let Lord Keynes’s body be returned to its grave at last.

Drummed up by a coterie of ideologues and opportunists and embraced with predictable fervour by politicians whose chronic inability to balance the books was suddenly evidence of vision rather than incompetence, the rage for deficit spending was accommodated by a great many others who knew better but shrugged that “we have to do something.”

Such was the strength of the Policy Panic that few could stand in its way. It could only spend itself in the same way as every previous wave of enthusiasm for fiscal stimulus had done: with rising interest rates and runs on the currency in the short term, and higher taxes and inflation as the only probable effects in the longer run. Apparently, no one told the Greeks about the “multiplier.” Certainly no one told their creditors.

Hence the G20’s dramatic U-turn over the weekend. The stimulus experiment is officially at an end. They are not even pretending to believe in it any more.

The mystery is how it ever got started. There’s a reason Keynes was dead, after all. It had in part to do with 40 years of intellectual spadework, in which were relaxed the highly restrictive assumptions of the model that so dazzled the world in the 1930s. If you assume an economy that is open, rather than closed, to trade and capital flows; if investment responds to the rate of interest, rather than being a mere figment of investors’ “animal spirits”; if, most critically, economic actors are influenced by their expectations of government actions and their likely consequences, rather than fixating myopically on the present, then you will get very different results than the ones Keynes foretold.

That Keynesianism was largely discredited by the 1970s had as well to do with practical experience. Long before the failure of the Japanese experiment in the “lost decade” of the late 1990s and early 2000s—surely the most sustained application of fiscal stimulus on record—there was the spectacular crack-up of François Mitterrand’s “dash for growth” in the 1980s, the “winter of discontent” under Britain’s Labour government in the 1970s, the Great Society, followed by the Great Inflation, in the United States under Johnson and Nixon.

In every case, policy makers ran up against the same inescapable problem of scarcity that is at the root of all economics. Put simply, the money has to come from somewhere. Whatever funds you “put in” to the economy by government has first to be “taken out” of it. Borrow at home, and you displace private spending with public—the “crowding out” phenomenon. Borrow abroad, and you run into balance of payments difficulties: foreigners can only lend you the dollars they earn from trading with you. Borrow from the central bank, “print money,” and you bring on inflation, with all of its destructive impacts.

All of these have come into play in the present crisis, either in actual effect or, hardly less significant, via the expectations of investors. Indeed, the debt disaster has done much to vindicate one of the dodgier-sounding arguments against fiscal stimulus, known as Ricardian equivalence: the notion that economic actors are so rational as to understand that any money the government borrows now will have to be repaid with higher taxes later, and thus act in such a way—reducing spending, putting off investment—as to offset any initial stimulus. Turns out they needn’t be as far-sighted as all that: already the talk, everywhere, is of higher taxes. Today’s deficits are not just tomorrow’s taxes, but today’s.

And even if you thought deficit spending was the answer to a problem of insufficient aggregate demand, it was hard to see what relevance it had to the credit crisis, which was primarily a problem of supply. As the economist John Cochrane, of the University of Chicago, has written, imagine if several major oil refineries blew up at the same time, leaving gasoline in short supply: “Stimulating people to drive around would not revive gas sales.” All it would do is drive up gas prices. Substitute banks for refineries, and the point becomes clear.

What prevented the crisis from becoming a depression was not fiscal stimulus, but monetary: first, to shore up the banking system—the real “lesson of the Depression”—and second, to prevent a scarcity of liquidity from strangling the economy at a time when people were hoarding cash. That’s demonstrably true in this country, where the recovery had already begun by the second quarter of 2009, long before any of the fabled shovels had hit the ground. If the argument was that central banks, having dropped interest rates near zero, had “run out of bullets,” that, too, has been discredited.

But surely fiscal stimulus, even if it was of no direct benefit, might have had a sort of placebo effect? If nothing else, might not the sight of all that government spending have boosted confidence? Tell it to the Greeks.

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  • exCanuck

    And your point is?

  • Maureen

    There is no mystery – it was pushed by a bunch of left leaning progressives who are convinced that governments can and should do everything.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

      So the proverbial screwing by the left using the Conservatives… honourable members?

      All sides got too excited and a lot of money was wasted. Blaming one side neglects the whole story. The Conservatives had domestic pressure and international pressure for stimulus spending. The Conservatives responded by spending piles of unaccounted-for money heavily in their members' ridings.

    • RagingRanter

      Can't blame just the progressives. Conservatives should have shown some leadership and resisted the screaching for stimulus. Instead, Bush, Harper and various other conservatives tripped all over themselves to show how they were stimulating the economy. Harper and co. have yet to stop bragging about it.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        Yup. It was a shameful betrayal of their political principles, their support base, their sense of morality, AND hard economic truth. And STILL they plopped that turd on us.

        • Andrew (not PorC)

          But it's all the Liberals' fault. Except where people approve.

    • Charles

      I am amazed by the short term memory for Canadians and especially journalist. After tabling a budget that offered no stimulus, (which would cant us in the black), the conservatives were on the brink of being kicked out of parliament by a rogue coalition. To say that it wasn’t the leftist parties or even that it was all parties fault is a gross misrepresentation.

      Read the following from the 2nd of Dec, 2008, article

      "It was the government's annual fiscal and economic update—specifically the absence of any stimulus package under conditions where Canada is being battered by world recession while the US and other countries have announced measures to promote economic growth—that served as the catalyst for the opposition parties to join forces."

      • Andrew (not PorC)

        No one believed the 2008 EFU. The government was lying to us, projecting balanced budgets for the next 5 years. The PBO, bank economists, etc. rolled their eyes.

        That budget was always a lie. We were headed for deficit either way, due to high baseline spending growth and cratering revenues. Otherwise, explain why the stimulus plan was ~$40 billion and cumulative deficits over the next 5 years is $160 billion. Your math doesn't work.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tridus Tridus

      Stephen Harper is a left leaning progressive?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    "But surely fiscal stimulus, even if it was of no direct benefit, might have had a sort of placebo effect? If nothing else, might not the sight of all that government spending have boosted confidence?"

    Sure didn't boost my confidence. If anything it gave me serious cause for concern that so many people who understand the folly of this approach in their personal lives somehow thought that government can operate differently and still magically get its finances in order.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bergkamp bergkamp

      I don't even think it had placebo effect because placebos are not supposed to make things worse.

      Here are two recent articles that explain why stimulus hurt the country, not helped.

      "Recent research at Harvard Business School began with the premise that as a state's congressional delegation grew in stature and power in Washington, D.C., local businesses would benefit from the increased federal spending sure to come their way.

      It turned out quite the opposite. In fact, professors Lauren Cohen, Joshua Coval, and Christopher Malloy discovered to their surprise that companies experienced lower sales and retrenched by cutting payroll, R&D, and other expenses. Indeed, in the years that followed a congressman's ascendancy to the chairmanship of a powerful committee, the average firm in his state cut back capital expenditures by roughly 15 percent, according to their working paper, "Do Powerful Politicians Cause Corporate Downsizing?"
      http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/6420.html?wknews=052410

      "The projected effect on other parts of GDP (consumer expenditure, private investment, net exports) is minus 180, minus 120, +60, minus 330, minus 330, which adds up to minus 900. Thus, viewed over five years, the fiscal stimulus package is a way to get an extra $600 billion of public spending at the cost of $900 billion in private expenditure. This is a bad deal.

      The fiscal stimulus package of 2009 was a mistake." WSJ, Feb 23, 2010

  • http://www.thepolitic.com Mark Peters

    Still can't believe the CPC gov followed Keynes. It's the #1 reason they haven't seen a dime from me since 2008.

    • TedTylerEzro

      Ditto.

    • RagingRanter

      Heh. Last time I donated to them was in 2006. I am not giving another penny to them or anyone else until I see some semblance of fiscal responsibility. Which means I likely won't be involved in Canadian politics for at least another decade. Ditto on the provincial side of things.

  • pdpd

    Some of the language here seems unfair. People supporting the stimulus weren't only a "coterie of ideologues", but mostly freaked out people who felt the need to do *something*. Almost everyone would have preferred a monetary approach, but interest rates were already effectively zero, demand was in freefall, and deflation was a seemingly real possibility. So higher interest rates (now all of a quarter point above the minimum) was less a concern as suggested here, but the dreamed for goal, as the stimulus got inflation going which necessitated the small hike.

    I actually would tend to agree with almost all of the analysis here in the abstract, and the multiplier stuff was definitely a lie, but overall I bet that if you asked Geithner and Carney if they'd do it all again, they would for sure.

    • RagingRanter

      …mostly freaked out people who felt the need to do *something*.

      And that seems to be it. A panic reaction right when we most desperately needed cooler heads to prevail.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        "Don't just do something. Stand there!"

        A most impossible attitude for a politician. Even, alas, an allegedly conservative one.

    • ddd

      The ideologues were running the show. The crash of 2008 was the result of years of stimulus of the fiscal and monetary kind, and things got out of control alright.

      As we speak, Geithner and Bernanke are doing a knife edge act, quite skillfully so far I might say, of issuing and rolling over hundreds of billions of dollars in Treasury bonds every month. They can't get enough interest in 30 year bonds; 30 years from now at current rates the whole of the current US budget would be eaten up by interest payments. So they are doing 4 week, 6 month, continually rolling it over.

      Derek

      • RagingRanter

        You're absolutely correct. It was reckless monetary policy more than anything else that sunk us in 2008, and that reckless policy had been going on for at least a decade. Central banks started watching the consumer price index at the exclusion of all else, and completely ignored the inflationary asset bubbles that were being fueled by low interest rates.

        Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world's "thinkers" (to use the term loosley) beleive it was a "lack of regulation and a reliance on unfettered free markets" that was to blame. So, we'll get reems of new regulation that won't work, and monetary policy that will remain reckless and inflationary. Which means we're doomed to repeat the same debt-induced crashes again and again. Other than that, I'm pretty optimistic.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Open_Democracy Open_Democracy

    Canada (and the rest of the G20) added mountains of debt to solve what was essentially a debt-related crisis. Geez, that strikes me as really smart. We've stimulated ourselves right into a black hole of debt. No wonder the G20 leaders are pretending like the stimulus is over; they don't want their names attached to what will be looked back at as the creation of yet another series of highly inflationary asset bubbles because there's way too much cheap money floating around the system.

    Maxime Bernier's suggestion of a return to the gold standard is going to be the "gold standard" of money supply and economics in the future.

    …and we wonder why the PIIGS are in such trouble.

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    • RagingRanter

      You mean increased government borrowing and lowering interest rates to near zero to convince everyone else to borrow more money in order to spend our way out of a debt crisis doesn't rest on a solid theoritical framework? However did you reach that conclusion?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

    It wasn't the Great Society that caused 70's inflation, it was trying to pay for both the Great Society and the Vietnam War at the same time that caused it. Guns and butter etc. And that blown-up refinery analogy is dumb; the equivalent would be the government spending money on building new refineries!

    Well, in the end I'm no economist and we can't see into a parallel universe, but give me time-for-cutbacks-and-hikes-now as our reality rather than year three of a panic-induced Great Depression II .

  • Mulletaur

    Ha, I guess we had to expect that the moment the G20 decided to call an end to stimulus, Coyne would be once again dancing on the grave of poor old Keynes.

    A few points : 1. Keynes worked very well for about 25 years, exactly the time the man himself said it would. 2. The inflationary effects of policies which have been called 'Keynesian' were in fact predicted by Keynes, who also prescribed the appropriate action to take to counter the inflationary effect – action which was not taken by policy makers. 3. Keynes was defeated more by a combination of full employment and oil price shocks than by policy failure. 4. The use of interest rates to regulate aggregate demand in the economy (as well as money supply) is every bit as 'Keynesian' as fiscal policies used to stimulate aggregate demand. 4. Mitterrand's 'dash for growth' was a disaster because the French government was swimming against the tide in a world which suddenly became monetarist, as evidenced by the devaluations of the French Franc he was forced to adopt. 5. If the government would have done nothing other than expand the money supply, as you suggest, there was a great risk of a loss of business confidence that could have had a catastrophic effect on economies with effects more generalized and much worse than whatever restraint is needed in individuals countries at present. 6. The fiscal irresponsibility of Greece (and others) did not start with the financial and subsequent economic crisis, it predates it by many years.

    I'm sure I will think of others, but that's a good start.

    • RagingRanter

      Back when Keynes was alive, governments accounted for somewhat less than 10% of GDP. No welfare. No medicare. No employment insurance. Little public education and little infrasturcture. Keynes "worked" because we needed all those things. Now we have all those things, so there is NO rational reason for governments to throw yet more spending at a recession.

      • Mulletaur

        Keynes didn't talk about any, not a single one of those things. Perhaps before referring to Keynes, you should read some.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

          Keynes promoted government spending to increase aggregate demand. Governments do that by spending on…. ????

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        C'mon, RR. Be fair. Why, all we need is for government to try harder. Surely when its activities represent 125% of the economy everything will be just peachy.

    • ddd

      > The fiscal irresponsibility of Greece (and others) did not start with the financial and subsequent economic crisis, it predates it by many years.

      Indeed. Debt problems seldom arise shortly after it is issued. The problem is a continual accumulation of debt which eventually has it's natural consequences.

      That is exactly why blunt instruments should be to control those who would borrow to stimulate. The serious consequences are often years away, while there are some short term benefits from an economy flush with cash. Usually contented client groups that ensure reelection.

      Derek

  • BHARAT

    A poor reading of the recent history of economic thought. It doesn't account for the rise of New Keynesian micro and macroeconomic theory. Keynesianism did not have an answer for the stagflation of the 1970's. Nor do New Keynesian ideas, but they still offer enough policy guidance for govt interventions in regulation etc.

    Mr Coyne, don't be surprised if North America is heading for the "Lost decade" with such fiscal conservative ideas. By the time we wake up fiscal stimulus will have no effect.. read Krugman's prescient book " the return of depression economics"

    • Mulletaur

      "Keynesianism did not have an answer for the stagflation of the 1970's."

      Yes, he did. Read him.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

        Keynes did not have the answer to stagflation, because it never occurred until the 1970s. Keynes died in 1945. Therefore, he never saw stagflation in his lifetime. He firmly believed that inflation and recession were opposites; that they could not occur at the same time. It's called the Phillips Curve, perhaps one of the more laughable pieces of economic orthodoxy floating around out there.

        • Mulletaur

          Yes, he did. Only somebody who has never read Keynes would say anything so patently wrong, and stupid.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

            The earliest documented use of the term 'stagflation' was in a speech in the British Parliament by MP Ian McLeod.

            In 1965.

            A full 20 years after Keynes' death.

            Please enlighten us as to what Keynes had to say about stagflation. While you're at it, please tell us how Keynes felt about the Internet, cellphones, blogs and social media.

          • BHARAT

            Oh, yeah, please send us the reference and enlighten us!

        • BHARAT

          Why is the Philips curve laughable?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

            Because it isn't an accurate representation of reality. The Phillips curve basically states that unemployment and inflation are at the opposite ends of the growth horizon. That as we trend towards full employment, inflationary pressures build, and as we trend towards higher unemployment (i.e. economic contraction) inflation will disappear and become deflation. In fact, those who adhere to the Phillips curve will often refer to a recession as "deflation"; they consider them one and the same. In essence, the Phillips curve does not allow for the possibility of inflation and recession happening at the same time. Experience shows us that we can indeed have economic contraction and inflation at the same time, often for long stretches (e.g. several times during the period from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s, we had recessions in which inflation remained stubbornly high.) This is why inflation can only really be controlled through monetary tightening, and not through fiscal policy.

    • RagingRanter

      So we need even more stimulus. Is that what you're saying? Because that's what Krugman is saying.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        Krugman is actually quite helpful, in a there-is-utility-in-someone-who-is-almost-always-wrong kind of way.

        • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

          Yes, and any time now, we'll have one of his adoring fans (Krugmanites?) show up to remind us that Krugman is "the winner of the 2009 Nobel Prize in Economics." Which presumably means he can't possibly be wrong about anything.

          And I'll be forced to remind them that, A) It isn't a "Nobel Prize", it's awarded by the Bank of Sweden in memory of Alfred Nobel, and B) he did not win the prize for anything related to marcoeconomics. He received the award in recognition of his (admittedly excellent) work on international trade flows, which he did back in the 1970s.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/novagardener novagardener

    I find it amusing that Harper and Jim F. take credit for Canada's banking system when they were the ones, when in opposition, wanted to deregulate them . And since coming into power they created a real estate bubble by creating 0 /40 yr mortgages then 5/35 yr ones with CMHC now on the hook for about $500 billion (our tax $$$s). Basically its no different from Freddie May and Freddie Mac. What happens if Canadian homeowners go in bankrupty and cannot pay their mortgages? Canadians apparently owe more household debt that Americans. We, thankfully, have 0 debt.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/StephenGordon StephenGordon

    I don't think it's a mystery how it got started: in the spring of 2009, interest rates were at the zero lower bound (after a round of reductions during the financial crisis) and the odds of going into a liquidity trap were uncomfortably large.

    Ex post, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the stimulus wasn't necessary. But this outcome was by no means pre-ordained when the stimulus package was adopted.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Never mind retrospectively unnecessary. How about just plain morally wrong, then: to appropriate wealth from a population of the future without its consent? Does that not ever enter into econ-type thinking? You don't even need a retrospectoscope to see that one… if you look.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

        The moral-based argument would be to use the spending for infrastructure that the population of the future will use. (Consent is tricky of course) Governments of the day are clearly mandated to consider the future infrastructure needs of the country and plan ahead. If governments could stick to making investments that make sense, then spending more during recessions (when construction costs are low) makes a lot more sense than trying to build during booms.

        Canada's Economic Disaster Plan had many examples of good investments that will pay off for decades to come. Unfortunately they were swamped by the billions more spent poorly either due to political considerations or simple mismanagement.

  • Oliver

    I like Coyne but this post was an absolute waste of time.
    It added nothing to what we know and it's focus on the economics will, of course, not mention the political necessity for the governments to do at least something.
    Bailing out the car makers was about saving a large amount of jobs, not much else. If you want to look at that from a purely economical viewpoint you can't simply look at the primary issue, you have to look at the whole.
    Something this piece certainly doesn't do.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

      As long as there are people out there still promoting spending our way out of recession, pieces like this are absolutely not a waste of time. The stimulus may well have been a political necessity, but it was only thus because so many alleged "experts" were so insistent that it was needed. Stimulus would not be a political necessity if no one believed it were necessary and no one wanted the government to do it. Thus the inherent value in the column.

    • ddd

      From a purely economic point of view, taking money from savers and successful enterprises to pay for the foolish mistakes of a bankrupt one is utter madness.

      The knee jerk policy responses guarantee at best mediocrity, at worst have cemented the stupidity that led to the crisis.

      We will be paying for these mistakes for decades. Expect another auto company bailout to be necessary in a year or two.

      Derek

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    the rage for deficit spending was accommodated by a great many others who knew better but shrugged that “we have to do something.”

    Ah, but it was a pragmatic shrug.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

      Oh well, as long as they weren't being "ideological". We all know what a terrible thing it is to conduct any sort of policy based on ideology (i.e., a consistent set of guiding principles).

  • BHARAT

    Canada is doing well because of strong macroeconomic fundamentals, but it will get pulled down by the ties of geography. Its trade links with the United States will forestall any recovery. Governor Carney has indicated that in an interview with Mansbridge. The only way out is to spend more. And it has to be done a co-ordinated manner with other G20 economies It is not just krugman, Joe Stiglitz and even the Indian PM Manmohan Singh( a seasoned economist) has been saying the same thing

    • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

      BHARAT, economists told Japan they needed to spend, spend, spend all throughout the "Lost Decade" of the 1990s. And spend they did. Look where it got them. They've fallen into severe recession just like the rest of the developed world. Only now they're so grossly indebted that they don't have the capacity to keep spending anymore. Yet the same economists that told Japan to keep spending, lest they be consumed by the deflationary boogieman (a purely imaginary beast that haunts the dreams of those who still adhere to the Phillips curve), are now preaching stimulus spending to the rest of us. They might be prominent economists, but they're track record is terrible, and no matter how badly their advice fails, they always come back with more of the same.

    • ddd

      Canada is doing well because it has a bunch of commodities that it can dig or pump out of the ground.

      Derek

  • Tony

    I respect your economic analysis for obvious reasons, but, politically, what could The Conservatives do considering the situation, at the time, was portrayed as the 2nd coming of the Great Depression. Hell, even if it was just a recession the opposition would have flooded the media with the plight of the unemployed, the government stimulus of every other major economy in the world.

    How could The Conservatives, realistically, have acted any differently?

    I think a more useful analysis would be: Given the political climate, that demanded stimulus – be a realist, how could they have spent the money?

  • CLN

    Coyne is just a diehard monetarist who sees no place for fiscal policy. He believes in small government or no government. So, he, like other right-wingers, will deny any good coming out of government. If governments did not step in, lots more people would have joined the unemployment queue and the economy would taken a worse tumble than what we have encountered. Keynesian policies have worked, just that there is no research to show how bad the economy would have been without the stimulus. Canada's government could have used the stimulus spending as an investment in future growth, instead the funds were used to renovate or build recreational facilities. Instead of spending to build transit, we spend on money to resurface roads or fill pot-holes. We have practised bastardized keynesian economics and that's why it does not seem to work.

    • RagingRanter

      …just that there is no research to show how bad the economy would have been without the stimulus.

      Most of the stimulus has yet to be spent, so we pretty much are seeing where the economy would be without the stimulus. And your argument that Keynesianism works as long as we do it right is as old as Keynes. Every time a country spends itself into the hole in a fit of Keynesian stimulus, the same arguments are trotted out. "Oh, it wasn't spent properly." Japan spent over a decade in full-bore stimulus mode. Where did it get them? They went from the world's biggest creditor nation to the world's biggest debtor nation in 15 years. But I guess the Japanese just didn't direct it properly either. As for building future infrastructure, are you sure we should be doing that instead of reparing current infrastructure? Seems that filling potholes on highways already built is more important than building new ones.

  • CLN

    There will be no political appetite for another round of stimulus if the economy stalls. That will be a good thing as the people can then experience the brutal reality of right-wing economics. Let the people suffer and let market forces – which are totally manipulated by those who have the wealth – do its 'magic' work. Hopefully, after a year or two of suffering, people will toss out right-wing economics for another few decades. Right-wing economics got us into this mess, although most of us seems to have forgotten. And now, we want more of right-wing policies to save us.

    • RagingRanter

      So any criticism of stimulus spending is automatically right wing economics?

  • Aidno

    That oil rig example makes no sense. That economist is being very deceptive recessions usually occur when companies can sell off their inventories so the problem is cutting/falling prices so a stimulus leads to growing demand and price stability rather than deflation which means job losses.
    Also Australia and China have had successful stimuli while Japans may not have been successful when they tried to end it the economy plunged from a decade of stagnation into a new recession. Examples of the abject failure of cutting spending and balanced budgets the history of IMF structural adjustments especially counterbalanced to the countries that ignored these demands and returned to growth like Argentina

    • RagingRanter

      So Japan's problem is that they ended the stimulus? After 15 years, they still needed more stimulus? The fact that they plunged right back into recession shows how futile the stimulus was. It certainly isn't evidence that the stimlus was working. Was cutting spending and balancing budgets in Canada during the mid-to-late 1990s an abject failure? Interestingly, we pulled out of the early 90s recession while governments were cutting back. No stimulus in sight. And no, I'm not arguing that government cutbacks stimulate the economy. I'm arguing that the economy will pretty much do what it's going to do, regardless of government.

  • Phil KIng

    I've said this since the beginning of this whole downturn: other than ensuring the stability of the banks and maintaining economic capacity with EI, there was very little need for any stimulus.

    This was the one situation that I thought we could count on the Conservatives to be sensible about, but frankly I think they outspent even the most dedicated socialist. Sigh.

    • riley

      Worese still, they cut taxes at the same time to guarantee structural deficits. As I write below. TC Douglas ran a rational government — one that socked away money during good times and spend the cushion during bad. He didin't believe in borrowing money because it gave control to the gnomes in Switzerland. Government spending is exactly the same as private spending. The only difference is who decides what to spend it on and what it gets spent on — in one case we spend communally on infrastructure and services to hopefully make us more productive in the future (training, technology, etc.) versus private spending on TVs, iPods, movie tickets, trips to Cuba, mcmansions filled with cheap walmart crap. The people with most of the money don't like taxes and government because it takes away some of thier choices, but tough. In a democracy we all get to decide to spend on the common good, once in awhile. I'd rather we spend on new community hockey rinks and letting some rich dude who inherited his dad's newspaper chain spend his tax cuts on another yacht, or a thrid Mercedes, or yet another trip to Bermuda.

  • riley

    Coyne forgets something … government spending is exactly the same as private spending. All that's different is the government decides to spend it on government services and infrastructure and individuals decide to spend it on TVs, canoes, houses, carpet cleaners, and movies. Money is borrowed in both cases. One of the great fallacies of classical economics is that private interests behave rationally. Anyone in sales will tell you that's BS. People react emotionally (I really, really want that iPhone cuz it's cool and I want to look cool, but I'l rationalize it by saying it will help me run my business, or I need it for emergencies, etc.) TC Douglas ran 17 straight balanced budgets and he did it by socking money away in good times and spending it during the bad. THAT's what a rational person/government does. Conservatives, increase spending and cut revenues to produce the inevitable deficits — ala Devine, Muldoon, Harris, Reagan, Thatcher, Bush II. Supply Side voodoo is ridiculous — harmful — bunk.

  • Howe

    If Coyne wants to talk about failures, he could start with his own father — a central banker so bad that BOTH Milton Friedman (a monetarist) and Robert Mundell (a Keynesian) singled him out as being completely incompetent. It's probably the only thing that they ever agreed on. He set Canada back by years with his idiotic hard money policies. That's not even controversial. Every economist in the world who has studied that period agrees that Coyne Sr. was a complete idiot, and that's why he was removed early. Like father, like son.

  • hosertohoosier

    Much of the evidence suggests that a moderate stimulus can be deficit reducing on balance. This is because recessions cause revenues to plummet for obvious reasons. This is particularly true in cases where countries have a good starting position. Where countries have poor fiscal states to begin with, taxpayers will fear future retrenchment, even in the face of government spending in the present. That is the difference between Greece and Canada.

  • RagingRanter

    Actually the evidence in favour of stimulus is very much overwhelmed by actual experience showing its futility. There may have been a place for stimulus back during the Great Depression when government spending typically accounted for less than 10% of GDP. Back when there was no employment insurance, no social assitance, no public healthcare, little public education, and little in the way of infrastructure. Very good arguments could be made for a massive stimulus under such a scenario. Government now covers all those things, and continues to do so during recession. In other words, the Kenyesian stimulus is now built right in. There is ZERO reason for govenrment to trip all over itself to stimulate when it is already doing so on a regular basis.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    Hmm, I understand that Canada's stimulus spending has become more focused on Ontario's beleagered cottage country, but it hardly seems to be finished.

  • Andrew (not PorC)

    I think a rather strong argument could be made for the federal government to maintain a pipeline of infrastructure projects so that it can take advantage of recessions to catch up on infrastructure backlogs when labour is more available and commodities are less expensive. Doing the due diligence on these projects ahead of time so that the pipeline can be flushed during recessions would ensure money is not wasted. It may even be less costly than competing with private investment during booms.

  • Joseph

    "Borrow at home, and you displace private spending with public—the “crowding out” phenomenon." – Coyne

    Isn't the primary counter-argument to this that during the particular conditions of a credit-crunch style recession, people are much more likely to hoard money than spend it, especially if deflation is a possibility in the future (and in the process causing more deflation)? Thus, the point of government stimulus is taking money via taxation or 'safe investments' like gov't bonds that would otherwise be trapped in lending-shy banks or personal stashes and inputting it back into the economy to prevent a deflation spiral and liquidity trap situation.

    Thus, government stimulus, or fiscal policy, isn't just increasing demand, but also increasing the money supply (or more accurately, offsetting its contraction as a result of psychological panic over the recession).

    I'm actually more inclined to think the stimulus has worked to the extent that it has created what essentially amounts to a 'artificial stimulus bubble' that may well burst once gov't spending dries up and brings about part two of a double dip recession (one that nonetheless is less severe than the depression we could have had).

    Everyone here seems to have forgotten that back in '08, major banks in the U.S. were on the verge of collapse, and that a major part of the stimulus was ensuring they didn't (and didn't cause an ensuing panic of bank runs that would have caused more problems). Given that most of the U.S. stimulus amounted to a significant subsidy of the banking, automobile and construction industries, the Conservatives in Canada had to match that per capita or face a defacto competitive disadvantage that would impact Canada's trade surplus and economy.

  • Heather

    Does the President of the United States count as anybody? "Obama warns G20 leaders on budget cuts" [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10353247.stm]

  • Ariadne

    Only time will tell for President Obama's economic policy. Stimulus spending has to have a limit. You can not just keep borrowing to get out of debt.

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