MS Society of Canada “a house divided,” CEO says

Anger and insurrection disrupt annual meeting

by Anne Kingston on Monday, June 14, 2010 2:07pm - 49 Comments

Italian vascular surgeon Paulo Zamboni: the man behind the new treatment for CCSVI (CP/NATHAN DENETTE)

Tensions boiled over at the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada’s annual meeting on Saturday as MS patients and their advocates turned up in unprecedented numbers to demand the organization help them gain access to treatment for chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency, or CCSVI.

In past years the charity has had difficulty rounding up the 15 members required to achieve quorum. This year, more than 60 people showed up at a mid-town Toronto hotel, many with proxies to support Linda Molyneux and Brock Winterton, two rogue board nominees who support CCSVI treatment being made immediately available in Canada. After votes were tallied, neither came close to unseating the five board nominees on a slate proposed by the society’s governance committee.

The attempted putsch reflected frustration among its 31,000 members over the society’s resistance to supporting treatment for CCSVI, a condition identified by Italian vascular surgeon Paulo Zamboni that made headlines after a CTV broadcast last November. Zamboni had discovered blockages in the neck and thorax veins of MS patients. After they received balloon angioplasties to restore blood flow, a routine procedure in cardiac medicine, many saw their symptoms improve; some saw the disease’s progression halt.

The MS Society has taken the position that CCSVI treatment is “experimental,” that Zamboni’s research is yet to be scientifically tested, and that the results of clinical trials, which could take years, are necessary before CCSVI treatment be given the green light.

“It’s an exciting time in MS research,” Linda Lumsden, chair of the national board of directors for the MS Society, told the crowd, noting “CCSVI has consumed the interest of the membership.” On Friday the Canadian and U.S. MS societies announced $2.4 million for four research studies in the U.S. and three in Canada; all will research CCSVI but not test possible treatment. The society has also requested $10 million for CCSVI research from the federal government, Lumsden said. She was particularly buoyed by the charity’s recent partnering with A&W expected to net some $400,000: “Go out and buy a hamburger on August 26,” she instructed the crowd.

But she couldn’t ignore the anger percolating in the room: “I know there is a level of frustration but we are working aggressively to get scientific evidence,” she said. “Then we can advocate.”

The stance infuriated many. “People with MS don’t have the luxury of time,” said Brock Winterton, a Toronto financial analyst who spoke of the “growing sense of despair” watching the disease weaken his wife, Janet Heisey. “There was nothing until we found out about Dr. Zamboni’s work,” he said. “And we had something and it was called hope.” After the meeting, the couple flew to Bulgaria where Heisey was booked for CCSVI treatment. People with MS “don’t understand why something so low-risk should be denied to them,” Winterton said, criticizing the “modest” $350,000 the society has allocated annually for each CCSVI study, noting it’s a mere 2 per cent of its total research funding.

Linda Molyneux, whose 22-year-old son received CCSVI treatment in Bulgaria earlier this week, blasted the society for being unresponsive to its constituency: “It has become clear MS societies have lost touch with their membership,” she said. “Are they here to serve neurologists and drug companies? Or are they here to serve people with MS?” she asked, noting: “Patients feel the single greatest impediment that stands between them and this treatment is the MS Society.” She spoke of the toll the disease took on her son, such as the crushing fatigue that caused him to drop out of university. Days after his CCSVI procedure, she added, he was out sight-seeing with his father.

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  • dawn skinner

    Why was the Multiple Sclerosis Society in Canada not the first source of information for their members with regards to a possible new treatment for MS in stead of a news reporter from Toronto?

    The frustration's of the MSS members is understandable, the response from the MSS is not.

    • Ms. Jessica Hunt

      Proposal to set up a Canadian Centre for Neurological Diseases(CNND) on First Nations Territory, with the help of Corporate Canada and Native Funds, is gaining momentum. CNND plans to offer both, the state-of-the-art diagnostic comprehensive reports and treatment for MS patients using 3.0T MRI exams, Doppler U/S and blood tests as well as day time veins angioplasty surgical procedures. The total cost 10K !
      For a copy of the proposal, please send your request to jessica@mri-exam.com and visit http://www.mri-exam.com or contact Dr. S. Haider, Ph.D. MRI Physicist, President/ CEO, Quinte MRI, Inc. Belleville, ON Canada at syed@quintemri.com and visit http://www.quintemri.com

    • watcher

      same old same old dawn. anything new to say?

  • Dave Dennis

    Its a pity money speaks louder than words. I'm sure if there was millions of dollars to be made from the liberation process, it would be on tv commercials by now.

  • Jim Anderson

    So blocked veins stop the drainage of blood from the brain, and MS patients have too much blood in the brain? This deposits iron? And opening these veins to drain the brain helps people get better circulation in their legs? Come on…

    And how can you compare that with opening blocked arteries to the heart? Check the difference between arteries and veins people.

    These vascular surgeons are hope-mongers, and they had better make their money quickly before the research shows them to be scam artists.

  • Karen

    Jim Anderson – perhaps you should do a little more research before you choose to assume you know what you are talking about…?

  • Jim

    "…are we to believe that our most vital and, in many ways, most delicate organ, the brain, stands alone in being impervious to impaired venous drainage? Hard to imagine."

    Dr. Lorne Brandes

  • Ashleigh Lauevesea

    Jim Anderson MD-Neurologist

    • LaVonne

      Now that explains a LOT!

  • NSLADY33

    WE ALL SHOULD STOP DONATING TO THIS ORGANIZATION. WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR US NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

      I'm sorry you're so angry, NSLady. The job of every disease charity is to spread the research dollars out in many directionbs, as funding only one line of research is betting without having the information you need to bet. A drug like Tamoxifin (breast cancer) was not expected to be a huge discovery. However, the trial results were so dramatic, they stopped the clinical trial halfway through to make sure the drug was immediately approved for use.

      But that only happened because the research funding wasn't all being directed at one choice. I want a cure as much as anyone (for my wife), but even she wants to wait to see what the research says, and the research has started.

      Patience is hard, but cures never come in time for everyone, maybe not even my sweetie.

  • Tewodrose Beshah

    By now no body is foul, we know who has a concern for our safety & not.
    Let the patients make a decission for thier own body, they are loosing every day anyways.

  • Dagmar Lofts

    Germany and other European countries want to be part of the CCSVI research and treatment. They want to be part of the proactive and advanced technology team. Our Canadian system is comprised of a group of followers and want other countries to make the discoveries for them. Tisk on Canada!

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/IVCCCCSVI-BOYCOTT-SCSPMSSCNMSS-FOR-NOT-SUPPORTING-US/ Lynda Laliberté

    We need to keep pression on them … http://www.facebook.com/pages/IVCCCCSVI-BOYCOTT-SCSPMSSC...

  • Jim Anderson

    Comments from an Australian MS support blog
    The recent news presented in Researcher’s labour of love leads to MS breakthrough, appears to give hope. I’m wondering what’s the back-story? What sort of hope is it? Real or false?

    Colin Rose, Cardiologist and Associate Professor of Medicine, at McGill University in Montreal, Canada advises great caution. As he explains:

    “Any MS patient with a large enough increase in venous pressure to cause red cells to leak out of small veins would have a head that looked like a leg with severe varicose veins; his eyes and tongue would protrude and his face would be very swollen and blue.

    You can read Dr Rose’s assessment for yourself and make up your own mind.

    In the absence of blinded randomised controlled multiple trials, as Colin points out the scientist is subject to “subconsciously motivated action”. If MS could be halted by such a simple procedure, it would be lovely wouldn’t it?
    In that case, I’m lining up for it.

    However, I suspect this is not the breakthrough we’re hoping for.

    At this point in time, this case is more likely to be an educated man who desperately wants to help his wife (who has MS herself), grabbing-at-straws and two internet-savvy journalists who made a deadline

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    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

      Shouldnt the MS Society at least be advocating or helping get clinical trials of the procedure here?

    • Jim

      Jim, can you explain this to me and others :"..are we to believe that our most vital and, in many ways, most delicate organ, the brain, stands alone in being impervious to impaired venous drainage?"

      How about venous stasis ulcers? Do you also not accept those as a result of poor venous return?
      Well, I see you bring up IICP too: a swollen optic nerve is a reliable sign that ICP is elevated.
      Optic-neuritis, anyone?
      I mean, show me the research on this. Oh yes, that right, nobody wants to actually research this, they just want to dismiss so the money keeps rolling in…..

      • JMG

        Venous stasis ulcers are not remotely similar to MS lesions and even the CCSVI hypothesis does not suggest that they have a similar pathophysiology. ICP is not indicated by a "swollen optic nerve" but by papilledema, which has an entirely different appearance from optic disc edema caused by optic neuritis. There is absolutely no indication that CCSVI – again, if it exists as an actual finding – correlates with any signs or symptoms of raised ICP or any other kind of vascular obstruction.

    • Guest

      Oh my ,,,,,You Jim and Colin Rose are both nay sayers who just want to stir up the pot and piss people off. We are aware of this Colin Rose and obviously you too. I cannot believe why you are wasting our time having to read your garbage. We scoff at you both. I know you two are together on this and boy do you both look like idiots.

  • Jim Anderson

    I am considering learning the procedure myself. I will liberate your veins, and your wallet.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

      You seem pretty down on this procedure Jim. Any particular reason or agenda why?

    • Hope66

      Awesome Jim Anderson! You certainly have some issues with CCSVI…care to elaborate? Oh and Jim…Colin Rose has never once presented a scientifically based argument against CCSVI. He is will known to the MS community (Dr's and patients alike) and has pretty much no credibility. Venous drainage from the brain has not been investigated fully and what Colin Rose presents is just his opinion. Period. He has not done the research, nor has he read the research available to date as far as I can tell. Just so ya know…
      Hope

      • JMG

        Actually the argument quoted above is entirely "scientifically based" as it pertains to the expected findings of a real obstruction to venous drainage of the head and neck.

  • JMG

    For all the spurious comparisons to angioplasty and stenting of coronary arteries, it must be pointed out that such interventions do NOT cure coronary artery disease, but merely treat an acute or chronic occlusion of one or more vessels. The existing atherosclerosis and vascular disease remains, and such patients are managed medically by anti-coagulants and anti-hypertensives. Even so, stents can fail (or, worse, migrate), vessels can collapse again, and the disease process can advance requiring more invasive interventions (i.e. bypass). Veins are not typical targets for angioplasty since they are quite different from arteries – more easily distended and collapsed, with thinner, less muscular walls – and not subject to the same disease processes. Notably, stasis of venous blood flow leads to blood clots.

    My point is simply that the CCSVI hypothesis is implausible. If there exists clinically significant venous stenoses, we would expect symptoms and signs corresponding to such an obstruction, e.g. facial swelling, papilledema, elevated intracranial pressure. Nothing like MS. If little was known about the MS disease process, there might be more reason to consider this hypothesis, but that is not the case. What's known about the cause(s) does not really square with CCSVI, which if it truly exists may only be a feature of MS, rather than a primary cause. It needs to be thoroughly investigated, however, as the controversy described by this article makes clear.

    • caper0115

      how do you explain the results people are expierancing? Its easy to poke holes in your theory..if you are not completley blocking the vein but slowing it down (a trickle say) ,the reflux can be devastating to the brain (scerlosis).The damage just grows (slowly) and the effects spread.We are talking about the iron in the blood not flowing to the the hear RECYCLED)t and being stopped along the way and sent back to the brain (reflux) .What can you expect ? Damage. Good flow …no damage

  • Hope66

    Part 1
    To Jim Anderson, alleged Neurologist:

    Your comment reminds me not to call an electrician to diagnose/comment on/research a plumbing problem.

    I would imagine that if Neuro's weren't at all threatened by this new vascular research, that the response from the Neuro community would be far more rational, measured and fact-based. Instead the MS community is witnessing the Neuro community respond with vitriol and mere opinion (again electricians opining on plumbing issues). So far, I've seen no response re: CCSVI from the Neuro community that is rational, logical and based on fact and science. Nothing. (Part 2 to follow)

    • JMG

      I should add to my other comments that neurologists spend an inordinate amount of time considering cerebrovascular disease, ie. strokes, TIAs, hemorrhages. The notion that they are unfamiliar with the effects of vascular obstructions is ill-informed and simply wrong.

  • Hope66

    To Jim Anderson Part 2

    The MS community trusted Neuro's with our lives. Based on your collective responses to CCSVI (as even being a potential part of the MS puzzle), I do believe that a significant number of us now feel that it is not the MS community you care to protect, but your own self interest (be that professional ego, monetary gain etc etc ) in the "care" and "treatment" of this horrific disease.

    Shame on you Jim Anderson, whoever you are.
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    JA wrote:
    And how can you compare that with opening blocked arteries to the heart? Check the difference between arteries and veins people.

    These vascular surgeons are hope-mongers, and they had better make their money quickly before the research shows them to be scam artists.

  • Jim Anderson

    Someone thought that I was a neurologist – far from it. Only a reader, but I don't believe everything I read. I'm an old hippy that swims against the current. However, it seems to me that hope for profit could make you believe a hypothesis, and hope for cure could do the same. Like so many cancer cures that have come and gone.

    • Bettyboop

      You and Colin Rose are pure jerks and you obviously have no clue on what you are saying. Why don't you do something good for people instead of looking like fools.

  • http://for-greet.squarespace.com Colleen O'Shea

    It makes people feel better, think better, move better, things that their medications don't.
    VIVRE CANADA LIBRE.

    • Bettyboop

      How true is this!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Colleen :)

  • Carol

    The MS Society and the MS CLinics (Neuro's) had 30 years to make a difference, how has that worked for everyone so far, anybody been cured or stayed the same for 30 years using all the drugs. It's now time to support the CCSVI Society (oh yes it's real) and the Vascular and Radiologist. as they dignose and treat CCSVI. They certainly can't have worse results that what we have seen in the past. The MS Society can continue to partner with Fast Forward program who is partners with Serono Canada (Biotech, Pharmaceutical Company who is a sub company of Merck Global), I hear Serono has a new drug coming out for MS patients. I'm sure that one will be the miricle cure. Too bad their timing sucks as it's CCSVI's turn now. Seems odd to be that the National MS Society is associated with Serono via their Fast Forward program, it all makes sence now why they don't support CCSVI.

    • LaVonne

      I agree wholeheartedly with you Carol! If it quacks like a duck…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

        You said quack. I'd have to agree.

    • Heather

      Great info Carol. The MS Society also has the neurologists in their pockets…and so their 'message of caution' is one and the same. A lot of weight was given to the neurologists and to the MS Society at last night's Take Note Debate in the House of Commons. The Health Minister repeatedly mentioned the Society's announcement for research, seemingly the Canadian government's answer to their involvement re: CCSVI. They then pointed their finger in the direction of the provincial and territorial health ministries and washed their hands of it.

  • Seb

    What is worse is that here in Quebec the Board of Doctors even made the testing for CCSVI in private clinics banned. This is as if we were in A communist country. We can get scanned for any other coronary issues but not M.S? This is our money and our time.

    • Ron

      Hi Seb,
      It's not just in Quebec. We got 'cut off' in Ontario in a similar way.

      • LaVonne

        Has happened in States also!!

  • Normand Prejet

    The MS Society and their entourage have done very little for my wife who was diagnosed with MS 35 years ago and hasn't been able to teach for the last 20 years. Give her a chance for hope because if you were in that situation you would want this last chance. If you don't maybe the higher powers will punish the greed for $.

    • MostlyCivil

      Sorry, but my wife is "retired" from the medical field because of MS. She is also interested in the therapy, but wants to see the research play out before she makes a decision. Fast decisions make for bad science.

      In the 1990's, a similar situation happened with a group calling for massive funding of pancreatic cell implants to cure diabetes. They boycotted the CDA, argued to have them spend all their research money on the new discovery. Had they done so, a very promising area of research regarding transplantation would not have been funded. The pancreatic cell research that went ahead was a complete and total failure. The "miracle" techique was fatally flawed. Google "The Edmonton Protocol" and do some reading.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

    In every province, the leading funder of research is…the government.
    To your point, you are correct. Raise noise politically, rather than trashing the charity which has been raising millions for research for years. As well, the tax records for every charity are online at the CCRA website, so if the posters here wish to make accusations about overpaid staff with big cars, they may wiss to do a little homework.

    Meanwhile, Macleans has just increased the amount of donor apathy for every worthwhile charity in Canada. Well done.

  • Shelly Smith-Hines

    I was at the Leduc to Camrose Rona MS Bike Tour as well. I would say your comments are rational, logical and well spoken! Thank you for your comments!

  • Sudbury Sam

    Only those without MS have the time and lack of urgency to limit action to long term surveillance of inflicted individuals and prohibit exploratory intervention. The current dictates by the healthy elite of their "wait and observe" poicy, sentances those inflicted to futher physiological strangulation. People across this country need to obtain copies of the by-laws of the provincial and federal MS Societies. Lawyers prepared to do some pro-bono work can assit to launch a successful election of new directors. That new board will have the power to order management in a new direction. One side consideration of such a new board may be the apparent conflicts of interest between the societies and a) the Canadian neurological society and it's present policy and b) accepting funding from or association with pharmaceutical companies. Nothing will change until the present "structure" is forceably altered.The present pew is just too comfortable and profitable. As to Canadian government priorities and inaction on this issue, note the current availability of $1.4 billion funding for a 48 hour G 20 conference ! But that of course is a question of priorities, isn't it.

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  • Nandin Daljit

    Why is there so much resistance to a procdeure that could at the very least provide symptomatic relief from the effects of MS? Is the medical community so righteous that they will deny thousands of people even a day of relief to prove a point? MS is a disease of unpredictability that does not replicate itself identically on any two people. How then do we know that the pharaceutical interventions are actually working – could it not simply be a period of remission?

    Without understanding the cause there is no linear relationship of statistical significance that any pharmaceutical intervention can own for itself as 'prevention'. I applaud Dr. Zamboni for thinking outside of the box – how else do we achieve innovation.

    If you don't give us the CCSVI procedure at least avail the MRI testing. With appropriate patient safety protocols in place contrast has no greater risk than freezing at the dentist. Those who know so much about what doesn't work for MS should then inform the 70+k people around the world as to what actually does work.

    If you can be a part of the solution then at least get out of the way of those who are!

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