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A House of outsiders and idealists

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:20am - 20 Comments

As noted variously elsewhere, Samara has released the first of its reports on the lives of MPs, research drawn from interviews with 65 former Members of Parliament. Among the initial findings: an interesting assertion of outsider status.

Perhaps more powerful than their stated motivations was the way so many of the MPs described himself or herself as an outsider. This was not an explicit question in our interview, but nevertheless emerged as a proactively-volunteered self-description the MPs expressed in a variety of ways. Sometimes it played out in their decision to pursue politics, and sometimes it was made as part of a broader point.

This is the opposite of what a traditional public perception of politicians as consummate insiders would have suggested.

There are all sorts of specific explanations for this, which the report reviews. There are also, from the MP testimonials, obviously impassioned claims to idealism and principle. Those motivations may or may not be related, but to apply those ideas to Ottawa—to attempt to explain Ottawa as a result of those forces—leads to all sorts of fascinating questions about why this place is the way it is.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    First off, I think the Samara report provides some exceptional insights. I will quibble with one of the conclusions

    "Anyone can be asked to run, and anyone can do the asking. "

    While I agree with the statement taken literally, in reality there are only a relatively small number of people in each riding that can seriously propose that someone run. This is especially true for the majority of potential candidates to whom the nomination process is obscure. To be credible and have a chance of convincing someone to run, in the vast majority of cases the person doing the asking needs to be well connected to the political and financial resources necessary to win.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

      I think you could take it as more than just literally true if you take a longer timeframe. Certainly, no one unconnected and not on the inside and not a star of some sort can expect to win from a standing start, but I look at a lot of the MPs and their roots in politics is not too deep.

      Having said that, I think that in the big cities, where there is far more competition and where more business/cultural/political/social leaders tend to reside, it is extremely difficult. There is always some so-called star waiting in the wings for a chance to run in the big city ridings.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

        Ted, I actually think an outsider often has a decent shot depending on the dynamics of the riding. Blank slates have their advantages. My point was that to convince an intelligent outsider to run, the person asking would have to be on the inside.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

          Gotcha.

          Having said that, though, often you will have issue or community specific groups or leaders who themselves won't run but suggest that the issue or community needs you to. For example, an pro-life group unhappy with Harper desire to squash any discussion of abortion or a local group who think their MP has become too silent and Ottawa-ized as a backbench MP.

  • Anon 001

    Maybe the fact that they're no longer MPs has convinced them of their "outsider" status. On the other hand, given that MPs have now become little more than PMO spokespersons, perhaps they feel that they no longer have any influence on the "insiders" of government.

    • http://twitter.com/AlisonLoat @AlisonLoat

      This report only looked at their motivations and paths to politics, so the "outsider" narrative was one they expressed when they reflected on their motivations and early years. We're currently working on the report where they talk about their time in office, how they spent their time there and how they felt about it, so we're interested in seeing if that sense carries through their MP career, or if it changes (either for some or all of them).

      John Godfrey had an interesting observation on how the internet is making it much easier for backbench MPs to exert influence, particularly compared to cabinet ministers, on The Current yesterday. I hadn't thought about that before – may be worth a listen. It's toward the end of this clip: http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2010/06/june-15-2010…

  • Andrew (not PorC)

    I guess it's just a matter of any political process anywhere, which is essentially a sausage factory that can take even well-intentioned people and produce something unrecognizable. Maybe the relative powerlessness of MPs enhances their sense of being outside the power structure.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

    It's funny hearing the likes of Harper, Baird, Flaherty, Clement and other Conservatives still talking of themselves in terms of being on the outside, and not the political establishment despite so many years of being leaders and governing at the federal and provincial level. And the irony of trying to claim that Ignatieff is both just visiting and not really Canadian enough to govern but at the same time fully entrenched in the political establishment.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Fred_Moro Fred Moro

      Oh you would love Laura Penny's "More Money than Brains".

  • Wascally Wabbit

    I am impressed with the report. However, I would argue it misses some core cynicism elsewhere. The reporters interviewed successful candidates. In this day of 308 ridings and parties running a candidate in each – even ridings where the party doesn't have a hope in hell – many folks are asked to run – in return for possible favours down the line. Lawyers looking for a shot at judgeships, others in other walks who hope to get appointed to a paid board position by a grateful party in power.
    While I commend the principles exhibited by the ones interviewed – current processes still leave a lot to be desired!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

      I thinkk the authors recognized this explicitly by the aside about the dissatisfaction of Members about the candidate selection process. The comment recognized that they were the successfull ones. I really think the core of many problems lies right there; the local level of party politics. Is it open, transparent, democratic or effective?

  • Emily

    Politicians prefer to be seen as 'mavericks' and 'outsiders' rather than the 'establishment'….I don't know why this would be surprising.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

      I wonder if it's a sociological phenomenon of politicians being mavericks, or a psychological insecurity of attempting to be part of the cool kids.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

    I would have to imagine that anyone who had not, at some point in their career, been closely involved in a parliamentary office of some sort woudl have to feel like an outsider. It must be an Alice in Wonderland moment to arrive in Ottawa, often with little formal understanding of the complex systems invovled in constitutional governance, let alone the specifics of office allocation, hiring staff and the weird world of procedure. The only life line, of course, is your incumbent colleagues and leadership. They hold all the answers and are quick to offer them.

  • Mike T.

    Gee, did they all leave politics for absolutely no other reason than "to spend more time with their families" as well?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    Would you say there's any merit to the thought that those who describe themselves as outsiders feel a greater draw to be part of the "in-crowd", and are thusly more inclined to take up activities such that they can be seen as part of the in-crowd?

  • Richard

    I would be most interested to hear what the 65 would have responded if the interviews occurred while they were still in public life. I bet they would have tripped over themselves to assert their insider status, and corresponding importance.

  • http://phantomobserver.com PhantomObserver

    Perhaps part of the irony can be explained by the notion that the MPs differentiate between their community (small pond) and the federal system (big sea). I'd also wonder if there's a relationship between "outsider" outlook and time of involvement with the riding association: would someone with more experience working for the local MP or candidate still have the "outsider" attitude?

  • John D

    You're blogging about how MPs try to see themselves as authentic outsiders? Potter is going to be pissed…

  • Toby

    When I was in school I remember all my conservative friends trying to convince me that they were rebels because they weren't lefty university students. Ah yes, you are middle-to-upper-class, university-educated white males from Alberta who are conservative. So rebellious.

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