The lesson of a Jewish cemetery

MARK STEYN: The ‘sanctity’ of this burial ground in Tangiers speaks volumes

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:00am - 402 Comments

A Jewish cemetery in Cracow, Poland (Tobias Gerber/Laif/Redux)

Thanks to the wonders of globalization, I’m writing this in a fairly decrepit salon de thé off the rue de la Liberté in Tangiers, enjoying a coffee and a stale croissant grilled and flattened into a panini. What could be more authentically Moroccan? For some reason, the napkins are emblazoned with “Gracias por su visita.”

Through a blizzard of flies, I can just about make out the plasma TV up in the corner on which Jimmy Carter, dubbed into Arabic, is denouncing Israel. Al Jazeera doesn’t so much cover the Zionist Entity as feast on it, hour after hour, without end. So here, at the western frontier of the Muslim world (if you don’t include Yorkshire), the only news that matters is from a tiny strip of land barely wider at its narrowest point than a rural Canadian township way down the other end of the Mediterranean.

Notwithstanding saturation coverage of the “Massacre In The Med” (as the front page headline in Britain’s Daily Mirror put it), there are other Jewish stories in the news. This one caught my eye in Canada’s Shalom Life: “No danger to the Jewish cemeteries in Tangiers.” Apparently, the old Jewish hospital in this ancient port city was torn down a couple of months back, and the Moroccan Jewish diaspora back in Toronto worried that their graveyards might be next on the list. Not to worry, Abraham Azancot assured Shalom Life readers. The Jewish cemetery on the rue du Portugal is perfectly safe. “Its sanctity has consistently been respected by the local government that is actually providing the community with resources to assist in its current grooming.”

Sounds great. Being in the neighbourhood, I thought I’d swing by and check out the “current grooming.” It’s kind of hard to spot unless you’re consciously looking for it: two solid black metal gates off a steep, narrow street where the rue du Portugal crosses the rue Salah Dine, and only the smallest of signs to indicate what lies behind. On pushing open the gate and squeezing through, I was greeted by a pair of long underwear, flapping in the breeze. In Haiti, this would be some voodoo ritual, alerting one to go no further. But in Tangiers it was merely wash day, and laundry lines dangled over the nearest graves. If you happen to be Ysaac Benzaquen (died 1921) or Samuel Maman (died 1925), it is your lot to spend eternity with the groundskeeper’s long johns. Pace Mr. Azancot, there is no sense of “sanctity” or “community”: as the underwear advertises, this is no longer a public place, merely a backyard that happens to have a ton of gravestones in it. I use the term “groundskeeper” but keeping the grounds doesn’t seem to be a priority: another row of graves was propping up piles of logs he was busy chopping out of hefty tree trunks. Beyond that, chickens roamed amidst burial plots strewn with garbage bags, dozens of old shoes, and hundreds of broken bottles.

It’s prime real estate, with a magnificent view of the Mediterranean, if you don’t mind the trash and the stench and the chickenshit, and you tiptoe cautiously around the broken glass. I wandered past the graves: Jacob Cohen, Samuel J. Cohen, Samuel M. Cohen . . . Lot of Cohens here over the years. Not anymore. In one isolated corner, six young men—des musulmans, naturellement—watched a seventh lightly scrub a tombstone, as part of a make-work project “providing the community with resources to assist in its current grooming.”

What “community”? By 2005, there were fewer than 150 Jews in Tangiers, almost all of them very old. By 2015, it is estimated that there will be precisely none. Whenever I mention such statistics to people, the reaction is a shrug: why would Jews live in Morocco anyway? But in 1945 there were some 300,000 in this country. Today some 3,000 Jews remain—i.e., about one per cent of what was once a large and significant population. That would be an unusual demographic reconfiguration in most countries: imagine if Canada’s francophone population or Inuit population were today one per cent of what it was in 1945. But it’s not unusual for Jews. There are cemeteries like that on the rue du Portugal all over the world, places where once were Jews and now are none. I mentioned only last week that in the twenties, Baghdad was 40 per cent Jewish. But you could just as easily cite Czernowitz in the Bukovina, now part of Ukraine. “There is not a shop that has not a Jewish name painted above its windows,” wrote Sir Sacheverell Sitwell, visiting the city in 1937. Not today. As in Tangiers, the “community” resides in the cemetery.

You can sense the same process already under way in, say, London, the 13th-biggest Jewish city in the world, but one with an aging population; and in Malmö, Sweden, where a surge in anti-Semitism from, ahem, certain quarters has led Jewish residents to abandon the city for Stockholm and beyond; and in Odense, Denmark, where last year superintendent Olav Nielsen announced he would no longer admit Jewish children to the local school. The Jewish presence almost anywhere on the map is as precarious as, to coin a phrase, a fiddler on the roof. And Israel’s enemies are determined that the biggest Jewish community of all should be just as precarious and prove just as impermanent.

In 1936, during the Cable Street riots, the British Union of Fascists jeered at London Jews, “Go back to Palestine!”, “Palestine” being in those days the designation for the Jewish homeland. Last week, Helen Thomas, the doyenne of the White House press corps, jeered at today’s Jews, “Get the hell out of Palestine,” “Palestine” being now the designation for the land illegally occupied by the Jewish apartheid state. “Go home,” advised Miss Thomas, “to Poland and Germany.” Wherever a Jew is, whatever a Jew is, he should be something else somewhere else. And then he can be hated for that, too.

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  • minaka

    Agree with Ariadne's comment that Jews overplayed the sympathy card. Other nations have endured holocausts of various kinds both before and since the one that gets capitalized. No other people received a "get out of criticism card" for decades but had to limp along as best they could.

    No other people have a holocaust "industry" with thousands, probably millions by now of published articles, books, plays, movies, visual art etc. and a veritable chain of holocaust museums in countless cities even far from Europe keeping the Jewish tragedy front and center.

    It may appear to some that all this venting has sucked the oxygen out of the World's sympathy bank, leaving others with less than their fair share. This understandably can breed resentment. It's as though Jews tried to make their holocaust the World's Holocaust, the one pressing on the world's conscience to the exclusion of others. I'm not saying that's what they set out to do necessarily, but that's the effect of their own obsession.

    To give just one example, those who get little or no recognition for their holocausts like the hundred million victims of communism in Soviet Russia and Mao's China have suffered additionally in a way that is not inflicted on Jews. Namely, there are no unredeemed nazis with professorships in western universities, but there are countless unrepentant communist boosters in academia indoctrinating impressionable history illiterate young minds, offending victims of communism routinely. Ironically, or maybe unforgivably, many of these marxist professors suppressing the truth about communism's butcher's bill are Jewish. Go figure.

    The sympathy card is now expiring if not already completely expired, as Jews who continue to use it 60 years later are discovering. Maybe it's the pent up resentment that is now unfairly focusing on Israel. Sure there are things Israel has done that deserve criticism, but not on the scale to which it's being subjected.

    For a long term strategy, Jews may have been better off subsiding off the world stage with their personal tragedy as others have had to do because drawing constant attention eventually gets one the wrong kind of attention? If Jewish victimology hadn't been so great, maybe Israel's sins such as they are wouldn't be seen so disproportionately now?

    • ColdStanding

      I am very surprised to see this post of yours. You have expressed my thoughts much better than my clumsy attempts. My hat is off to you.

    • Oh Canada

      The sympathy card is now expiring. Explain please?

      This card never existed in the minds of many. During early 50's Toronto openly discriminated against Jews. Establishments often posted ," Gentiles Only' signs. And during WWII, some Montreal Jews openly protested about what was happening to Jews in Europe. And guess what? French Canadians countered their protests by protesting against them. During that same time, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, paraded about Montreal on his motorcycle while wearing a Nazi war helmet.

      The anti-Semitism in Canada has gone largely unnoticed. Over the past 12 months, there have been more than 300 anti-Semitic incidents in Canada. The most serious incident occurred in July, when David Rosenzweig, an Orthodox Jew, was murdered outside a kosher restaurant in Toronto.

      And during the liberal leadership convention, voting members were warned not to vote for Bob Rae because his wife is Jewish.

      • minaka

        You will find that most of the anti-semitic incidents including the one with Bob Rae have been instigated by Muslims.

        What Ezra Levant calls "the official Jews" thought it was a great idea to dilute white Christian culture in Canada with state multiculturalism. Latterly that has brought the most anti-semitic ideology and culture in the world today, Islamic into play here. So place blame where it belongs, the law of unintended consequences and/or Islamic prejudices, not on Christians at any rate.

        • ColdStanding

          It was a moment of sentimentality that has since evaporated.

    • balabu

      As someone that survived the holocaust and as child was obliged to wear the yellow star on his clothing. Someone that his mother told him that people were knocking on the windows of our apartment shouting Jews go to Palestine, the Jewish holocaust is not something that can be forgotten. Yes there were other holocaust in the world most notably the Armenian Genocide that showed what the Jews of Israel can expect if the Muslim wish will materialize the holocaust is not a card that is played but an alarm bell that its sound is not loud enough.

      • Never Again!!

        To some extent, I can understand Islam as their holy book, the Koran, inherited what came before. And the Epistles were written by Jewish revisionists, who decided to blame the orthodox Jews for the killing of Christ-we can see how this one played out over 2 000 years. Yes, I can understand them, but will never agree with them or condone their anti-semitic acts.

        The group which i find most disappointing is the radical left. Personalities such as Linda McQuaig, Hedy Fry, Libby Davies, Jim Reed, are part of a fabric which is demonizing the Jews- mostly by ignoring important facts and by using excessive modifiers. Historians today, can trace Hitler's holocaust to the writings and preachings of Martin Luther, who sowed the seeds of hate, anti-semitism, and demonization well before the rise of the 3rd Reich..

    • Nick

      I have only been on this forum for a week or so and whilst I agree with practically all the previous comments of yours that I have read, I have to disagree with this one.

      You cannot compare what happened in Soviet Russia or Mao's China to the Jewish Holcaust. Whilst the numbers were much higher you cannot compare political purges to mass genocide.

      There has never been such a systematic attack on an ethnic group before or since.

      Whether the Jewish diaspora has overplayed the sympathy card or not is irrelevant to the fact that those on the left refuse to hold those who oppose Israel to the same standards they hold Israel itself.

      • minaka

        "There has never been such a systematic attack on an ethnic group before or since".

        Turks committing genocide of Armenians. Hutus butchering 500 000 Tutsis within days. And the Soviets starving Ukrainians to death in the holodomor and decimating Baltic populations through assassination and gulags. The latter were not "mere" "political purges" of people who opposed Stalin's politics. They were the prelude to forced Russification of nations.

        The point you make on the double standard for Israel is one I make myself. Though overplaying the sympathy card may be irrelevant morally, I propose it as a possible underlying psychological mechanism inflating anti-Israel hysteria now. Staying too long on the sympathy stage and crowding others out may have built up resentment that is now being taken out on Israel.

    • Faustino

      I understand your sentiment although I somewhat disagree. Back in the 90's I lived in Chicago near Skokie which I had to drive through to go to work every day. There was a Jewish center with "Never Again" signs everywhere. I would be stuck in traffic on that street and would roll my eyes thinking 'enough already'. I had a friend who worked at that center teaching english to Russian Jews. She would occasionally complain about the "Never Again" drumbeat. I had kind of forgotten about that until I was at the grocery store recently and everything was ridiculously in pink for Breast Cancer Awareness. Many companies have apparently jumped on the bandwagon since I guess most shoppers are women (ice cream was formed into a breast cancer ribbon). I found myself thinking 'what about prostate cancer or leukemia?'. Why is everyone obsessed with breast cancer? I chalked it up to the age of weeping women. It is kind of a crusade for the secular/New Age sensibility. I'm surprised the Statue of Willendorf is not their logo.

      CONTINUED…

    • Faustino

      …CONTINUED

      Although I resent the local Schnucks turned into a re-education camp for Oprah – in reality, so what if people are obsessed with breast cancer. They are successful in getting their message out. Nobody is stopping other people from doing their own "Walk for the Cure" events. (How does walking solve anything anyway?)

      Anyway, the Jews may be guilty of milking it too much but it is not their fault or responsibility to make sure people know how many died under Mao. You know how Michael Medved has the theory that secular Jews find unity in their rejection of Christianity – having suffered in the holocaust is another event they can rally under when they no longer have the Torah.

  • D. Johnson

    Bravo Mark Steyn.

  • NDP ???

    has the world wide left picked up where Europe left off?

    Poll: 31% of Europeans blame Jews for global financial crisis
    ADL survey of 7 European states finds 58% have lowered their opinion of Jews due to Israel's actions.

    Is this much different than the historical record, where Jews where blammoed for everything from the bubonic plague to Martin Luther getting a dose of dysentery? For 2 000 years the Jews have been the world scapegoat, and today is no different.

    The Nazis blammoed the Jews for:

    causing World War 1.
    profiteering during World War 1.
    being Communists.
    making Germany lose World War 1 (by allegedly causing strikes and revolution on the homefront).
    German culture and morals and encouraging homosexuality.

    Martin Luther http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/c… made massive contributions to Jewish hate, which scholars believe culminated in the Holocaust

    And today the world wide left is comming closer and closer to being a movement of knee jerk anti-semites.

    • balabu

      I read first part of Martin Luther diatribe against the Jews and as an atheist raised in the Jewish orthodox tradition I must admit that I agree with his denunciation of the view of orthodox Jews that they represent the chosen people of God. Since I don’t believe any more in God obviously not Jews or any other group of people can claim to be chosen by non existent entity. I did not have patience reading his full diatribe and maybe will find objectionable part in it.
      Anti-Semitism is the glue that maintained the Jews over the 2 millennia since their exile from Judea. It is natural that group of people under attack stick together. In addition the backwardness of European population during the middle ages was not enticing for the educated and literal Jews to convert.
      However that has changed with the enlightenment and many Jews were about t assimilate. Assimilation was in full swing until rise of the Nazism with their race ideology, People with Jewish ancestry of three generations were prosecuted. Even Catholic nun that had a Jewish grandfather was sent to death camp.

  • Joël Cuerrier

    At some point, the most popular French singer (Serge Gainsbourg) could go on the air singing this: http://harissa.com/harissatheque/gain.mp3

    And there wouldn’t be outrages all over the country, cause it made sense then. France was standing beside Israel much more strongly than the US or Canada!

    It’s sad, but obvious what have happened to France and Great-Britain since the time this song was recorded.

    Here’s a few translated lines from this song:
    “I will defend against all enemies, the sand and the land that was promised [...] All the Goliath coming down from the Pyramids will retreat, faced by the Star of David. I will defend the sand of Israel, the land of Israel, the children of Israel. Even willing to die for the sand of Israel, the land of Israel, the children of Israel.”

    Let me know if you can imagine any hugely popular pop singer today who could sing a song as controversial as that, in France, in the US or in Canada! As the previous Steyn editorial had it, today pop stars make a statement in the way Elvis Costelo done.

    Luckily, we still have Leonard Cohen.

    • Never Again!!

      If you get the chance, read John Shelby Spong. he is an amazing scholar and as the retired Anglican Bishop of Newark, it's more amazing that he hasn't been excommunicated from the Anglican church. Today he is a Harvard professor.

      There are two key events in Jewish history, which are with us today, The first is the massacre of Masada, followed by the ethnic cleansing, and the second is the rise of the Jesus Jews, who had major fights with the orthodox Jews, They had yet to write their Epistles but when they did they revised history by squarely placing the blame upon the orthodox Jews for the crucification of Christ. And when Constantine commissioned church fathers to find a bible, they selected those books which best fit Roman society. And they wrote the creeds, which now elevated the status of Christ to God. Diocide was the charge by lunatics such as John Calvin, martin Luther, John Knox and Adolf Hitler.

  • O'Neill

    "I believe that Hitler,the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany"
    Wow ,I love how Arian describes Hitler as a somehow unknown fringe figure.When you say you believe Hitler knew what he was doing ,does that mean your in favor of killing Jews in ovens?

  • balabu

    It is a wonderful Utopian idea. I believe that Theodor Herzl the founder of the modern Zionism was also thinking in this direction. Even the early Zionist settlers the Russian socialist that fled the pogroms had this idea. The problem is that it contradicts the Imperialist ideology of Islam, Islam and Muslims must rule. Infidels must be second class if they accept the rule of Islam otherwise they must be slaughtered.
    I dare to predict that the economic advance in the west bank will not last. Islamic jihadist rubble rousers will find an excuse to turn everything upside down as they have done many times in the past.

  • Virgil

    Nuke Mecca now!

  • TMN

    Beautifully written and moving piece, which, unfortunately, leaves one with another bleak outlook on the future of Israel. It seems that her many critics and enemies are on a surge right now and that this surge is more or less openly embraced by liberals and 'progressives' of all shades and colors especially here in Europe. One can only shake one's head in puzzlement, when Socialists and Neo-Fascists – usually at each other's throat – blend seemlessly when it comes to their respective policies condemning Israel. As much as they hate each other, they both hate the Jews even more. It never ends.

    As for the cemetery metaphor: I recently spent a week in Jerusalem and was a bit shocked by the neglected state one can find the Mamila cemetery in. That's a Jewish cemetery smack in the center of the Western city which can be used as a shortcut to the old city. With a bit of ill will (and Mr. Steyn's writing talent) I could make a point on how Jews don't care much about their cemeteries either. I think, however, it's just a combination of the harsh climate, the arid soil and the living having better things to do – both in Tangiers and in Jerusalem – which leaves these places in their sad condition. It didn't destract much from the brilliance of the essay either. I think it was just a bit too overstressed a metaphor.

  • a helmet

    Good article. Europe goes Islam and so does America, albeit some years behind. Israel will remain the sole bulwark against the islamization of the world. God bless Israel. May America awake and come to its senses and return to its Israel loyalty.

  • moriyah

    Paul: If anyone in Gaza is starving the blame goes to the fat gangsters who have expropriated every resource for their own means. You, and suckers like you ignore all the worlds tragedies and focus like a laser on Israel whose only crime is defending itself and daring to live.. Slaughter in Sudan, murder of Kurds by Turks, honor killings, the killing of 140 Uigher Muslims by the Chinese last week. How is it, that such a compassionate person like you, Paul overlook EVERY SINGLE ATROCITY committed against Israel – they are dismissed completely of-hand. If you took your blinders off you may see the reality of the situation.

  • moriyah

    Mark: I was in Poland a few years ago and also took pictures of the cemeteries there. There is one in Nova Praga in Warsaw, that is is an odd disarray. All the headstones have been pushed to the center as if some giant had been playing dominoes and was gathering up the pieces. Not one of the headstones is in its place. Also swastikas on the headstones, beer bottles and cigarette butts. I have lots of photographs if you'd like to see..

    • Guest

      Given that Poland is one of the most strongly Christian nations, that example would not fit the required simplicity of a Mark Steyn column. You would need to find one in more atheistic countries France or England, not Poland.

  • Orest Slepokura

    Consider the case of the survivors of the USS Liberty. Their ship, as Mark Steyn probably knows, was attacked in international waters for two hours on 8 June 1967 by Israeli jets, torpedo boats, and helicopters. Some 34 American sailors were slaughtered and 171 were wounded, many seriously. Of course, thanks to the lackeys, nincompoops, and opportunists in media and government, the Israel-friendly spin that this vicious attack had been "a case of mistaken identity" was, for the longest time, the official version of events. Meanwhile, 43 years later, the survivors of the Israeli attack on the USS LIberty who remain still relate a harrowing story of deliberate carnage inflicted on them and their American ship by Israeli forces. I gotta wonder now if Mark Steyn, in his own fevered imagination, includes these US Navy veterans among all the "anti-Semites" nurturing ill-will toward Jews, given their temerity in persisting in telling their own story of what what was done to them by agents of the Jewish state on 8 June 1967?

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Morocco has been letting all non Muslim people know that it is
    a good time to leave, I have friends who have returned to the
    States as their safety was in question, the Muslim world is preparing
    for a final solution to Israel. I think they are in for many unpleasant
    surprises, things they never thought of, there will be a heavy price to
    be paid if you are a Jihadist or leftist……..William

  • Jo_DE

    Hello Mr. Steyn,
    as a european and german I can only agree to your article.
    It is incredible how much the people get manipulated by the "serious" mainstream media, by all this muslim Hollywood shows like now the "flotilla". I can say that cause it was the same for me over years.
    All these Erdo-khans and Ahmadi-djihads of course don't care about some people in Gaza, they (and their clubs like "Hamas") just use them as hostages to play their games and set the world on fire for their sick dreams of islamic world empire.
    People here just don't realize that they are WITH the jews this time, they are kept stupid and they want to stay stupid because it is easier, like: Of course Israel must be wrong, because there are only a few jews while there are 1.5 billion muslims, 1.5 billion people can't be wrong, and the jews always "made problems(?)". They just don't want to see that "islam" is not only the enemy of "the decadent west" but of the whole non-muslim world (just look around in history and in the world now). They are just too lazy to learn about "the religion of peace" (=usual muslim propaganda nonsense) and to look for information about it themselves: "I don't want to see it." And the germans are the most stupid and lazy ones.

    To show how irrational all the standard reactions about Gaza etc. is, I can only say that the simple and horrible truth is (take that all you humanistic Israel-critics):
    The muslims here commit more crimes against the "aboriginales" day by day and – yes – just for fun and because of their contempt for these "dirty infidels" than the jews all together did over centuries, ha?, so what!? ever thought about anything by yourself?!

    As ridiculous as it could sound first, but especially if you look at the often absolutely crazy and sick behaviour of justice, police and politics here: Obviously we (=europe/germany, the west(?)) got sold to "the muslims" (and thanks for the oil). So what would you expect from these sellers thinking about Israel (or a handful of jews anywhere)? We want to sleep on.

    So good night for now and shalom from germany.
    Jo.

  • Bernie

    Israel has a defence budget of $14 billion. By Bonko's logic they could not afford a nucleur weapon program either. If Iran really has peaceful purposes for its nucleur program, why does it consistently lie to the UN agency and refuse to fully show what it really has? . Why does its leadership threaten to wipe out Israel? Why is it paying exhorbitant prices to clandestinely buy nucleur components in western countries?.

    Which "they" have been saying Iran is 6 months from the bomb since 1982? No recognized expert is saying that even now.

    The world population of Jews in 1933 was 15 million. In 1945 it was 9 million. Now it is back at 15 million.. There seems to be a flaw in the argument that the Jews simplely left Europe and the Middle East for greener pastures.

  • Bernie

    It is indeed stretching the truth for Bonko to label these three persons as Jewish leaders.

    David Cameron has only a tiny drop of Jewish blood going back into the distant past..As a direct decendant of King William 4 and a distant cousin of Queen Elizabeth, it is more accurate to call him a Brtiish blueblood.

    To call Helmut Schmidt Jewish is a bit easier since his father was the illegitimate son of a Jewish businessman, but this was such a well kept secret that Helmutwas able to fight for Germany in World War 2. The fact of Helmut''s Jewish grandfather was a family secret until 1984, two years AFTER Helmut left office.

    Nicolas Sarkozy had a Jewish grandfather who converted to Catholicism. He himself is decended from Hungarian aristocracy and was raised Catholic.

    All three of these leaders consider themselves Christian and so do the vast majority of voters. It is doubtful that there are 1000 voters in Europe and the UK that considered them Jewish.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      Especially since the transmission of Jewishness is matriarchal.

    • RB Glennie

      Why do all the bigots on this forum, always chose such stupid nicknames (Bonko, ColdStanding)?

      by the way, this `Bonko's' definition of `Jewish' outdoes even the Nazis': he considers the French president, and former German chancellor as `Jewish', when they each had a single grandfather who was Jewish.

      Correct me if I am wrong, did not the Nazis even excuse such people as Aryan?

      But for bigots, even distant `Jewish' `blood' outweighs much greater gentile ancestry…

  • Oliver

    THE MUSLIMS! THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!
    DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!
    ONLY THE PURE OF HEART WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN!

  • Outing Lefty

    On Tuesday, July 18, 2006, in Tehran, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke to his countrymen. He reminded them of the connection between Israel and the liberal West: "The final point of liberal civilization is the false and corrupt state that has occupied Jerusalem. That is the bottom line. That is what all those who talk about liberalism and support it have in common." He went on to explain that when the Muslim world erupts, "its waves will not be limited to this region." That same day, Gholam Ali Haddad Adel, the speaker of the Iranian parliament, issued a warning to the Zionists who had intruded into the Muslim Middle East: "Today, the land of Palestine is painted red with your contemptible blood. . . . No place in Israel will be safe."

  • Out the Lefty

    "its waves will not be limited to this region." Mohamhead Armed-aminajad
    Canada has been mapped out by Hezbollah
    The NDP supports Islamists
    Libby Davies protests outside a Jewish business

  • Pierre

    I think the whole problem here, is that Mr Steyn went from a cemetery article… to a quick brush off of some rather stupid actions by theoretically well trained and experience Israeli commandos…. who should have known better than attack a boat of peaceniks on the high seas.

    Nice defense Mr. Steyn. But one that is very hard to swallow. Why not just admit the error, and suggest some concrete actions on how to prevent this sort of thing in the future?

    Oh, no doubt, they were, in their hearts of hearts, defending themselves. But it is not so much WHAT they did (board a ship) but WHEN (in the night), and how (rappelling down from a helicopter). And considering the type of people they were boarding… gee… how could they fail to anticipate trouble? And after killing and wounding a number of them… how could they fail to expect a good bit of bad press? Even North Korea, or Japan, or the USA, or — shudder — even Canada would be in a passel of trouble if any of these countries did something like this.

    Oh, well, the Jews/Israelis and their "Neighbors" have never gotten along. Not for some 6,000+ years to date. To expect them to suddenly "start making love, not war", is a bit overboard. But I think it is about time that the rest of the world start shunning both sides, telling them that they either learn to get along, or face constant disapproval. There is plenty of blame to go around. Neither side is "nice nice". Both sides have made some colossal blunders! Both sides have done bad things. MUST we have an itemized accounting of every little thing, so that they can each get 100% revenge, exhonoration, or whatever they are seeking? How could we entice them to get along? BEFORE their feud destroys the rest of us so that one side or another can claim a Pyhrric victory?

  • Joyce

    I object to the fact that one cannot criticize the policies of the State of Israel without being called an anti-Semite. Because any state must realize that they will be held accountable for their actions. Isreal has to grow up and realize that if they want to present themselves as a civilized democratic state they have to behave that way, because they will be held to that standard.

    Steyn's comparison with North Korea is at best ingenuous, and at worst deceitful, because we all know what that government is like, and I for one consider my country to be in a different catagory. Being catagorized with North Korea and held to their standard would be an insult rather than an incentive. And I pay the State of Israel the compliment of not catagorizing it with North Korea.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      "I object to the fact that one cannot criticize the policies of the State of Israel without being called an anti-Semite."

      Feel free to criticize as much as you like as long as you hold Israel to the same standards as all other countries. It's the double standard that makes some if not most criticism of Israel antisemitic. For example, no one is whining at anyone else to give back territories captured in a defensive war. You attack and lose, you lose. No one else gets a mulligan.

      Nice try with the "I pay the State of Israel the compliment of not catagorizing (sic) it with North Korea". Antisemitism and racism all wrapped up in talk of compliments. Can't expect those North Koreans to behave like decent people, right? (racism) so we won't protest or call them to order for major sins. No, we'll just keep harassing Israel exclusively for "sins" like patrolling for weaponry that we ignore in every other country, not just poor benighted North Korea.

  • Catherine

    While I lived in Israel, I was disappointed to find that the majority of the Israelis I met were culturally very disimilar to the Jews I lived and worked with in Canda and the U.S. For whatever reasons, the Israelis were often, almost always, rude, agressive, arrogant and bigoted. They didn't make you love them. And, broadly speaking, the Palestineans tended to be more polite, generous to a fault with what they had, and very kind to a young foreign student. That's not politics, it's culture, but it might explain why many travellers who are sympathetic to Zionism when they arrive in Israel leave disgusted by it.

    For the record, I was young, conservatively dressed, and very celtic-looking, with a working class scots/irish accent. If any of that would be relevant.

    • Ariadne

      Canadian Iraelis does not face attack and death everyday. If you live there for a while, not just visit, you will not recognize yourself either.

    • Eugene

      rude, agressive and arrogant they might appear to a young, naive and somewhat bigoted girl, don't you think?

  • Darden Cavalcade

    Re-Christianize Constantinople. Wonderful idea!

  • Roz

    You anti-Israeli-anti-Jew-niks are not fooling us readers! Do you not understand? Israel is the ONLY democracy
    in the area! Most of the drugs/vaccines/inventions/ ETC. YOU ARE USING come from this tiny state! They made the
    desert green, gave the greenhouses to Palestinians who ripped the millions of $$ given to them apart, enjoying their
    stupidity — and their future! Also, You are all duped into believing that that Turkish boat — the last one — was full of
    'Peace-niks'! They were armed to the teeth, bent on martyrdom, and had a mission — stop the blockade –get world support
    for this, and send more arms from Iran to the Hamas, WHO ARE TERRORISTS! Do you READ ME? TERRORISTS!
    Also tell me — why does HAMAS KEEP THE GOODS SENT DAILY IN WAREHOUSES AND NOT GIVE ANYTHING
    TO THE 'NEEDY PEOPLE' — WHO VOTED THEM IN?? DO ANY OF YOU STUPES EVER CHECK ANY FACTS BEFORE
    YOU GOOF OFF ON YOUR IDIOTIC NONSENSE? THE DUMBING DOWN OF CANADA??
    - a former Canadian -

  • Ariadne

    If there is one proof that Jews and Palestinians are closely related and genetically linked than other races in the world, look no further than towards their hard headedness/stubborness. They are definitely identical twins. If both of these races make up and get their heads together, that area of the middle east would be an economic power house.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      It seems like comparing apples and oranges, or oranges grown in Israeli greenhouses in Gaza to the rubble Palestinians made of the greenhouses when they were bought and gifted to them by California donors.

      One hard head has made its little patch of desert bloom and seeks to defend it. The other hard head evidences little desire to build anything for himself, merely destroy those he's been taught to hate by the Koran since Islam's inception.

      One stubbornly refuses to lie down and die. The other stubbornly seeks to kill. Where's the moral equivalence?

      • ColdStanding

        Dear minaka, Friend of:
        Who kicked over the apple cart?
        And, please, spare me all blah, blah, blah about legality/legitmacy, history, one group is morally superior to the other, yadda, yadda. In hind sight, was it a strategically sound move? Did the plan to improve the lot of one group of people have an overall positive impact for those people and everybody else (cause they count too)? Did they manage the blowback? Has it fostered peace?

        My hat is on, and my gauntlet is down.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

          Well, there's a lot in the blah blah and yadda yadda that you dismiss but let's say for the purposes of this argument that both Jews and Arabs have historical ties and claims to a geographical area that they now share.

          The lives of Arabs who remained in Israel are certainly improved to a level of rights unknown in any Muslim ruled country. Meanwhile Palestinians could have made their patch of desert bloom by co-operating with and learning from Israel.

          However, Muslims appear to use a different measuring stick than the one used by the West to decide "the greatest good". Palestinians who vote for Hamas at least seem to think their greatest happiness will come from elimination of Israel, no matter how low their own standard of living remains. They willingly sacrifice even their own children to that end. Palestinians under Fatah who are spending more time on economic activity than harassing Israel are thriving relative to the Gazans but it's quite possible they're just taking a different route with the ultimate goal the same – to eliminate Israel.

          European Jews who ended up in Israel post WWII probably felt they had improved their situation immensely. Younger generations may not feel so lucky to be surrounded by implacable hatred no matter what they do. On the other hand, the world is hardly looking welcoming either, is it?

          I think the situation is too complex to decide whether the local players, Jews and Arabs are better off or feel better off (two different things) because of Israel's presence. The world is certainly better off from the point of view of Israel's contributions compared to any one of 57 Muslim run countries.

          • ColdStanding

            minaka… too complex? Come on. It isn't and you should know it. There is only one measuring stick that counts: is there peace? No there isn't. Setting up the state of Israel kicked over the apple cart (by which I mean upset the equilibrium). Everything is secondary to this fact.
            While one might say, "Well, what is done is done.", the fact is that there is a significant population that isn't prepared to forgive and forget a gambit of "act first and ask forgiveness after." Especially, when no forgivness has ever be asked for.

            You have a historical bent. Figure it out. Russia, alone, spent 20 million lives driving out you know who. How many million French and others died in WWI to drive the Germans back? How many Chinese died driving out the Japanese? Clearly, human beings have an almost unlimited capacity to sacrifice their own in order to defend their turf against the other intent on elbowing in. Why attribute this to some imaginary defect of Arabs when it is a universal trait?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

            Yes I have a historical bent which is why I wonder why you predicate all your comments on the assumption that the so-called Palestinians (Jordanian and Egyptian Arabs) have the only claim to the territory that is now Israel. It's been a volatile area with many landlords and Palestinians were late squatters with a primitive tribal society and small numbers, some of whom sold their claimed land to Jewish buyers.

            Your Mid-East "equilibrium" was mythical or transient, with much turnover, so why are you so fixated on the pretense that Jews displaced some kind of established nation? Why the singular focus on Israel as illegitimate instead of the proposed second Palestinian State/Jordan II or the cooking up of Pakistan by the Brits with much less historical justification and permanently disturbing the peace of India and plaguing the West as well through Pakistani support for the Taliban and Al Quaeda?

            And "peace" is not the only measuring stick that counts as it can and has been achieved by invading, decimating, terrorizing and forcibly re-culturating a captive population as Soviet Russia did.

            Finally, no other people you mentioned indoctrinate their children in hatred and martyrdom from toddlerhood on. Muslims/Arabs are unique in this day and age for using Disney and Sesame Street techniques to incite murder of civilians and martyrdom by their own children.

          • ColdStanding

            continued…
            The day is not lost for Israel. They may yet see off their challengers. Though I would rather hope they would become as expert at cultivating peace as they are at oranges in the desert.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

            Muslims have hated Jews since Mohammed encouraged it in the Koran as an obligation after Medina Jews rejected his fledgling "religion". Modern Jews cannot cultivate peace when all their overtures (money, land, medical care) fall on stony ground. Why do you not exhort the Palestinians to cultivate something other than hatred? Even for themselves they grow nothing.

          • ColdStanding

            Which has been my point all along. With these sorts of attitudes having a long standing and well documented history, which bright spark came up with the idea of placing two groups together when they have such an antagonistic relationship?

            Really, minaka, I can't see anyother way to read your comment other than that you agree with me, on this at least.

      • Ariadne

        Apples and Oranges have a lot in common than you may think. These 2 races haveso much in common, that they clash. If people look and focus on differences only, there will be no end in sight to this conflict. Like you, I have serious concerns with the what the Islam faith is becoming – where the fundamentalists have more power and voice in most muslim countries. To stop or sabotage the peace process (both parties are guilty of this), is counter productive. How long have they gone at it ? So many dead on both sides and still counting. It does not matter who has moral superiority, dead is dead. If people focus at tit and tat, what a dismal future both these people are facing. Can they not be creative and make sure that Palestinian, Lebanese and Israelis survival, instead of death, hinge on each other? And a plead to Israel, as you are the only democracy in that area, be very careful that you do not become the enemy you abhor.

        • ColdStanding

          Lebanon is a democracy.

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