The Liberals will never be the same

Andrew Coyne predicts there will be neither a coalition nor a merger, only the destruction of the Liberal party

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, June 21, 2010 8:18am - 232 Comments

THE CANADIAN PRESS/Nathan Denette

There are some things you say that you can never take back. It doesn’t matter whether you meant what you said. You said it, and from that moment things can never be the same. This is how it is now, I think, with the Liberal Party of Canada.

For the past several weeks, various figures, mostly on the left of the party, have been openly speculating about the possibility of forming a coalition government with the NDP after the next election. Not a mere non-aggression pact, such as the one between the Ontario Liberal and New Democratic parties 25 years ago—the object of some pointed public reminiscing by Bob Rae—but a full-blown coalition: common program of government, New Democrats in cabinet, the works.

This mounting fever of speculation having gone unchallenged by the leader—after much thought, Michael Ignatieff eventually allowed as how a coalition could not be ruled out, though he had appeared to do just that a year ago—it should not have been entirely surprising to find some willing to go further still. As long as we’re talking about forming a coalition after the election, why not a coalition before the election—divide up the seats, agree on a slate of candidates, the works? In which case, why not merge the parties altogether?

When the news broke that indeed such a project was being discussed, and not just by anyone, but by senior figures in both parties, including former leaders Jean Chrétien and Ed Broadbent, the general reaction was incredulity. You want us to believe a story whose only named source is Warren Kinsella? Later, when the truth of it could no longer be denied, it was derided as old news. Hadn’t Roy Romanow been talking this way for years? Yawn.

I’m sorry. When a former prime minister lets it be known that he has given up on the party he led to three majorities, and wants to merge it with another party, that is not something that can be dismissed, or forgotten. It may be unwise, it may be unworkable, but that does not mean that people in both parties—serious people, not fringe cranks—are not thinking about it, or that they will not persist in the endeavour. This cannot be without consequence. The prospect having been raised in such a spectacular fashion, it cannot be unraised. A chain of events has been set in motion, with a momentum and a logic whose endpoint, I predict, is neither coalition nor merger, but the destruction of the Liberal party.

Consider first the implications of a simple coalition—a coalition struck not in the chaotic aftermath of an indecisive election, but anticipated well in advance. For left-leaning voters tempted to stray into the NDP camp, there is no longer any reason to stick with the Liberals, as they have been traditionally admonished, just to keep the Conservatives out: the coalition can see to that now. Indeed, as Chantal Hébert has pointed out, all the more reason to vote NDP, to strengthen its hand in coalition talks. Meanwhile, right-leaning voters will consider the spectacle of a cabinet filled with the likes of Libby Davies and Pat Martin, and recoil.

The same split between left and right will be played out within the party. The Liberal party is not a party that forms coalitions. It is one. It is not a party of the left, but of the left and right: a cumbersomely broad tent that, so long as the party remained in power, or near it, could nevertheless be kept aloft. The likelihood of an extended stay in opposition, with the attendant need to define itself more sharply, could be predicted to expose the party’s divisions. But so stark a choice as a coalition-merger with the NDP is sure to crack them wide open.

And as Liberal support continues to bleed away, this can only grow worse. The left will take this as further evidence of the necessity of striking some sort of deal with the NDP. The right can be expected to push back just as hard: though it is unlikely to prevail, it can probably forestall any decision until after the election. But what are the party’s chances in an election in which it is so painfully divided?

And what is the NDP’s likely response to that calamity? It is true that it was the NDP that first approached the Liberals about a coalition, in the parliamentary crisis of November 2008. And, to be sure, the NDP has benefited handsomely from the recent resurgence of interest in the idea: it is the centre of everyone’s attention, no longer merely a party of protest but potentially taking a hand in government. But that does not mean it will remain committed to the project—or that it ever was.

I do not think it is the ambition of the present NDP leadership to play helpmate to the Grits. Their aim is to replace them. It has served their purposes to keep the coalition talk alive, not least for the mischief it causes inside the Liberal party. But if the Liberal slide continues, the Dips will have less and less incentive to agree to anything. Rather, they will raise their demands, and raise them again, until at last they walk away from the talks outright, and leave the Liberals to collapse.

It is a dismal fate for Liberals to contemplate. But by not firmly quashing any talk of coalition as soon as it got started, Ignatieff has lost control of events, as surely as he has lost control of the party. I fear it is too late now.

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  • Western Grandma

    And that is your unbiased Liberal viewpoint…Who pays your salary? What has frightened so many voters is the loss of Liberal power always held and maintained in the East (ontario and Quebec). The fact the West could actually have a voice of influence in Canada has thrown the old school politicians and political pundits into mass confusion so that only the old smear and smarmy points can be thrown out as news. Bring on the Sun News and when any respect can be shown for diverse opinions in this country maybe then we can call ourself a 21st century nation.

    • http://hudsonvillage.blog.com Jeff Casselman

      I pay my salary by actually doing work, not by buying stocks in Big Oil and Chinese Sweatshops then waiting for the payouts.

      No My viewpoint is fixed, until the Reform party took over Conservatism in Canada I decided on merit. The fact is that most Canadians do the same thing, they don't sit behind one party and cheer like it's a bloodsport. My facts have been stated. They are there, and not talking about them will never make them go away. We all know how to fix this, and I think you know we will.

      Have SUN news, it's more work and money for me…but don't try to sell it as 'news' if you forget to include half the facts available because they're inconvenient in your moral highground and Conservative Zeal. It's the McCarthyist channel, populated by zealots and glory hound borderline bigots.

      Be proud of your choice in viewing and belief, I always am.

    • Wascally Wabbit

      Dear Grandma – did they teach you to count back when you were at school?
      Did they teach you Geography?
      It happens – wherever geographically they are located – between them Ontario and Quebec count for 20 million of the total 33 million folks that call this fair land home!
      While Alberta has – what – 3 million and change? Saskatchewan – 1 million? When you kiddies grow up a bit you can have more pocket money and a say in how Daddy runs the country!
      Oh – and as to being "the East" – I think New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland & Labrador might feel a little slighted – though not sure how Manitoba would feel in all this!

  • oppoguy

    Years of in-fighting has emptied the Liberals of anything willing to be led and anyone capable of leading it.

    The New Democrats are the healthier vehicle to take on Harper. Layton is the most trusted leader in the country. The New Democrats have the largest number of seats ever in Ontario and unlike the Liberals are electable in the West.

    All good reasons why the NDP's stock will be on the rise.

  • Observant

    So, Andy … If you were Stephen Harper would you wait or would you strike??? Would you precipitate a snap September general election, having the GG drop the writ during the last days of the Summer Recess and not even allow the HoCs to resume? This would ensure the Liberals are led by pathetic Ignatieff, as poisonous to the Liberals as was Dion.

    Or would you wait, hesitate and hope the Liberals and Dippers embrace in a coalition-cum-merger… and then watch them rip apart as they fight for control of the new political entity … that could either flop or Canadians might flip over …!!!! Canadians are unpredictable … aren't they ..??!!!!

    Andy … what would be your advice to Stephen Harper … wait .. or just whack 'em fast and let the chips fall where they may ..??!!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    I got back from China, not long ago. Fascinating and dynamic country, although the internet was rather slow and spotty. Still I must admit there was no confusion about the politics there.

  • DPT

    Well Andrew, at least we know now what it takes to throw the Liberal faithful into a full fledged tizzy. Just the mere mention of the party's death, regardless of whether you call it informed opinion or speculation is cause for your immediate verbal flogging. You are obviously a witch (warlock) and should be thrown in a moat. Presumably you're not made of wood and don't float, if you float you are a witch, made of wood and should be burned. If you don't float and instead drown, you were a witch all along. Such is the partisan mind set, regardless of party affiliation, Liberal, Conservative or NDP.

  • Anon Liberal

    That's why the merged Conservative Party won their first election out under Harper.

    • Gaunilon

      False. The CPC lost the 2004 election under Harper.

      Also, the Conservatives were widely viewed as being a continuation of the old Tory party, known as the "Conservatives" since 1873 and the "Progressive Conservatives" since 1942. Thus, by merging, the Canadian Alliance gained established legitimacy in the eyes of the public, whereas if the Liberals merge with the NDP they will lose some of that legitimacy (the NDP will gain some….but it's the Liberals who are the contender for forming government here). It's the same dynamic, but working in the opposite direction.

      • Anon Liberal

        Sorry, SECOND election (two years later).

        And the main point I take away from your riposte is that the new party should be called the Liberals. Fine. Deal.

        • Gaunilon

          Um yes, I think if the Liberals can convince the NDP that from now on they will all support the new "Liberal Party of Canada" then that would be a victory for the Liberals. That's generally considered a takeover though, not a merger. Different animal. Good luck getting the NDP to agree to it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/canadatheseries Christopher White

    I think all this merger talk is Canada's Manbearpig.

  • Frank

    Michael Ignatieff will never be the PM , irrespective of whether the Liberals merge or not, for the simple reason that he is not a model loyal citizen, which is exactly what the leader of a country must be: regardless of how many cheesy books he whips off to convince us otherwise. End of story.

    • Amateur Hour

      Better to have a leader who has travelled and worked around the world (remember Pearson?) than the one we have now: Harper made exactly one trip outside of North America (with Paul Martin, as opposition leader) prior to becoming PM. Given Canada's dependence on international trade, immigration and our involvement in international security, military and economic partnerships … I'd prefer someone at the helm who knows his way around. Harper is a divisive little infighter … he even plays domestic politics when abroad, much to the chagrin of his peers. Not what we need on the global stage.

  • JAM

    "As long as we’re talking about forming a coalition after the election, why not a coalition before the election—divide up the seats, agree on a slate of candidates, the works? In which case, why not merge the parties altogether?"

    Here is why they won't merge before: http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=ele&a…

    If they merge before the election, then they will be bound by ONE spending limit (ie. they will only be able to spend as much as the Conservatives). If they merge after the election, they spend twice as much and have two leaders in the debate to attack Harper.

    Isn't it obvious why they would only agree to a coalition AFTER the election?

  • No Lefty

    I’m sorry. When a former prime minister lets it be known that he has given up on the party he led to three majorities, and wants to merge it with another party, that is not something that can be dismissed, or forgotten.

    ——-

    The power hungry little guy, can't accept anything other than what's good for him. Chretien has been promoting coalition, merger, association, for a very long time. His protégé, Bob Rae, is now musing about his coalition with David Peterson. And it was Bob Rae on election night, who openly mused about a coalition having a few more seats than the people's choice..

    The Liberals are dead ducks and likely should merge with the communists and anti-Semites. of course not all liberals will feel happy in this camp, and i suspect many of them will defect to the conservative party.

  • hosertohoosier

    The Liberal party will not die. It is the loudest voice for a broad set of interests that will always exist in Canada. For that set, there is no better vessel for their political values than the Liberal Party of Canada.

    The Liberal party is the only party that is both unambiguously in favour of a strong Ottawa, and strategically ambiguous in its treatment of Canada's linguistic divide. Poor Atlantic provinces, and Canada's financial and technological core (the big cities) will always have a friend in the Liberal party – as will Quebec's English-speaking minority.

    The NDP can never fulfill this role. It is a class-based party in a country where politics is inherently regional. As an Ontarian, I have common economic interests with an auto-worker in Oshawa, but probably contrary interests to the average professional in Edmonton – a city that would collapse but for oil. The votes of the working class, and a few left-leaning fellow travelers are by necessity distributed across the country, and not concentrated in any given area (except perhaps the impoverished north).

    Nor does the NDP have any ability to cash in on Canada's other major divide. The NDP has only ever won a single seat in Quebec, and only has support in atypical areas (like Hull or Outremont). The notion that the NDP should do well in Quebec is rooted in the ill-founded idea that French Canadians are left wing. In practice it depends on the issue – French Canadians are even less supportive of universal healthcare than Albertans, and are generally more opposed to immigration than the rest of the country (doubly problematic considering that new Canadians are a natural constituency of the NDP).

    The NDP simply lacks the ability to absorb the core interests of the Liberal party over time, unless it redefines itself in regional/linguistic terms. Incidentally this is also why a Liberal-NDP merger would fail – there are considerable conflicts between the constituencies that make up both parties. The Liberals would have a much easier time absorbing the Green party (which frankly, is a waste of space).

    • Orson Bean

      Absolutely agree with your last paragraph, hth. It slays me how rosy-eyed fans of this merger idea completely ignore the significant NDP policy planks that are diametrically the opposite of comparable LPC policy planks. E.g., the NDP's constitution is flat -out committed to socialism & the NDP is a member of Socialist International; the NDP is committed to having Canada quit NATO and NORAD; and the NDP is officially committed to abrogating virtually every trade liberalization agreement that we have ever entered into, including, of course, NAFTA.

      I have yet to hear a proponent of this merger idea give me a coherent, credible answer as to how a merged party is going to deal with those policy positions.

      • Mulletaur

        They can't, Bean. It's not about reality, it's about undermining Iggy. Guess who might be behind that strategy, hmmm ?

    • SpenBC

      I don't know what I am enjoying more, Andrew's article or all the Liberal deniers posting in desperation. Delicious

      • hosertohoosier

        But I'm a Tory…

        • Orson Bean

          Quit changing the topic!

      • Dee

        Coyne is pulling a Harper move, in that he is just pandering to his base of conservative readers. What a shock that Conservative readers are rubbing their hands in glee. Enjoy it while it lasts…

      • Mulletaur

        I think you're enjoying repeating yourself more.

      • Blue Bloc

        Agreed SpenBC totally. So dick do you have any relevant reason for your silly post?

  • Pat

    Well Mr. Coyne, while I certainly do not think this column has anything to do with an application on your part for a Senate seat, I do think your reasoning is flawed.

    I hardly think discussion of a merger is what is causing the liberals' problems, nor do I think it will kill the party. You seem to believe any merger will move the party to the left. I disagree and suggest the result of any merger would move the NDP to the right. Even if the Liberals are destroyed, and the NDP are the only party left of centre, the NDP will still have to move to the right if they ever want to govern. Canadians elect centrist governments. Just look at how far Harper moved the conservatives to the left in order to win, and hang on to, government.

    Whether it is the liberals or the NDP, in order to win the election the party will have to take the position the liberal party has been taking for the past several decades – in which case, who cares what the party calls itself.

  • CLN

    A merger of Liberals and NDP can only happen if the latter moves more to the center and that is going to happen with or without merger. We need to move back to the center; the Harper CON is ruining Canada bit by bit. That party has set a new low and push the limits to the point that we are now led to believe that rules and laws are meant to be broken. Is this the new low in governing?

  • George Waugh

    The Tories were reduced to a two seater not that long ago and yet have come back to form a near majority government. In New Brunswick the Tories fell to a 0 seater and came back to win majorities. Canadians are not as passive as some seem to think. When it really comes down to the vote, does the majority of Canadians really want a socialist government? I don't think so. In my opinion there is a better chance to win in the middle.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Moe_Mentum Moe_Mentum

    Mr. Coyne has done a good job outlining the challenges facing the Liberals in this and earlier columns. However, like most pundits, he can't help but prognosticate. Just like pundits told us that the British Conservative party was dead after it lost power in the nineties, that Paul Martin was an unstoppable force, that the PCs/Reform/Alliance/CPC was doomed to opposition and that the Republican Party was toast after Obama's win.

    There are just too many unpredictable factors out there. As clumsy as they've been over the last few years, and as happy as this makes their opponents, I wouldn't write off a party that has been around since Confederation quite yet.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SunshineCoaster SunshineCoaster

    I think Andrew Coyne is displaying an unbecoming bias in Canadian political discourse. Everyone should take note that Andrew wrote an article "The end of the Liberal empire" on April 7, 2010. It is still what pops up at the top of the page when you request Andrew Coyne's opinion pieces, even though he has written 10 opinion pieces since that date. This latest article is basically a rehash of the same ideas. It would seem that Andrew is doing everything he can to make his prediction come true.

  • Incredible

    Andrew's writing sounds like it came right out of the PMO, especially when he refers to the Harper government as "right of center"…. Andy must begin to show his readers a bit of respect. When Andy tells us the Liberals are done like dirt, you know they ain't, but you do get the distinct impression, he wishes they were. Then when Andy attempts to remove all legitmacy, remote possibility and/or positive aspect of the Liberal/NDP coalition, you then realize he is trying to convince us Steve is the only alternative.

    Somebody please tell Andy that on an average day, Steve is only able to muster somewhere around 30% of Canadians, and if you factor in his "Alberta Bounce", only 26% and that is under the perfect political situation.

    Somebody please tell Andy to forget his poltical preference and just give us an intelligent, truthful analysis of the situation, not a Western Report version.

    For gosh sakes, how many "talking heads" does Steve have in the media.

    • Orson Bean

      Anybody who thinks that Coyne is a PMO talking head clearly has not been a regular viewer of the CBC At Issue Panel over the last couple of years. Coyne has heartily slagged Harper and his party over a number of issues on a number of occasions.

    • SpencBC

      Truth hurts dont it!

  • Out the Lefty

    Libby Davies and Pat Martin are flagships of bigotry. Davies joined an anti-Israel protest in front of s store owned by a Jew. Now does it mean that if one is Jewish that he'she identifies with Israel foreign policy? it seems that in Libby's mind and other's like her, the answer is yes.

    The German blogosphere throws up countless repetitions of the phrase "kauft nicht beim Juden!" — "don't buy from the Jew! . Naturally, such bigotry if not outright hatred, will be rationalized, justified even cherished, by some bottom feeders of the NDP and NDP supporters. This is a bad hour for the NDP as it indicated they have abandoned the good fight, in favor of waging a war with a specific group of citizens.

  • madeyoulook

    A chain of events has been set in motion, with a momentum and a logic whose endpoint, I predict, is neither coalition nor merger, but the destruction of the Liberal party.

    Yes, contemplating merger wounds the LPC brand and offers legitimacy to the NDP brand which it does not deserve. Any coalition or merger talks prior to the next election is a dumb, dumb, mind-meltingly dumb idea if you are a Liberal.

    Which is why Ignatieff ruled it out. Last week, I believe. Has he commented on it since?

    Every party has idiots with an affinity for a live microphone. Doesn't mean we should listen to them.

    • Out There

      I agree that a merger is a mind-meltingly dumb idea, and talking about a coalition before an election is almost equally dumb.

      It almost doesn't matter that Ignatieff ruled it out. I predict that the Conservatives will make the threat of a coalition and/or merger a significant talking point in the next election campaign anyway. As has been stated before, it doesn't need to be true: it just needs to sound plausible.

  • Michel Boucher

    The Liberals are never the same, but somehow the Conservatives are always same old same old. And I do mean old.

  • SpencBC

    This is the first time I have ever agreed and hoped at the same time, that Andrew is right. One can hope!

  • Incredible

    Steve is only still in the game because the Liberals are wounded but not dead. Once the Libs get their act together, Steve will immeadlitely be back at the National Citizens Coalition, cleaning toilets.

    Really, when it comes right down to it, Steve has been an absolutely terrible failure. Under the recent past and the present political reality, anybody of any quality would have a majority government.

    The fact of the matter is Canadians just don't trust or like Steve. The question is….

    Why haven't the Reform/Con canned Steve and found a leader who would allow them to take advantage of the tremendous opportunity
    given to them by the Liberals, on a platter?

    I can't understand it. It's to bad Steve has his caucus frozen in fear.

    Drones

  • onymity

    What's the over/under on weather Coyne ends up working for Fox News North?

    • onymity

      whether …. argh

      • The Real Jan

        I don't think he's perky enough for the weather…

  • Bob The Gopher

    I find the potential of a cabinet with Libby Davis and Pat Martin far less offensively frightening than one with Helena Guergis and John Baird. Oops. Too late.

  • Phil KIng

    From 1984 to 1988 the Libs had 40 seats. Count'em: 40.

    From 1988 to 1993 the Libs had 84 seats. That's right 84.

    I recall numerous opinion polls over the years that had the Libs at 20% popularity, barely above the NDP.

    Perhaps some might argue that the five way split is a new feature we don't know the outcome of, but beyond this there is little ground here we haven't already travelled.

    The CPC is mired in the low 30s, the Libs in the mid 20s the Dips in the mid teens and the Greens and BLOC around 10%.

    This is not a situation in which someone should be discussing the health of one party over another.

    They're all part of the same Canadian dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    When Canadians decide to unite behind a party however, I doubt very much it will be anyone other than a party that can bridge the divide.

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