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Gen. McChrystal gets hacked

by Paul Wells on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:25am - 102 Comments

Gen. Stanley McChrystal will be on a flight home from Kabul today, under orders from President Obama to attend the Wednesday strategy meeting on Afghanistan in person instead of by teleconference. McChrystal is in a spot of hot water over some wildly incautious remarks he and his entourage made to a freelance reporter for Rolling Stone. He probably won’t lose his job over this, but there’s no guarantee of that.

Now here’s the thing. The reporter who got all these excellent quotes (“Biden? Did you say ‘Bite me?’”) is Michael Hastings, a name I wasn’t familiar with. So I googled him and the first thing that caught my eye was a piece called “Hack: Confessions of a Presidential Campaign Reporter,” which he wrote for GQ after pitching in on the Newsweek special election issue. (Ah, the life of a freelancer.) Given the day’s events, it’s pretty much a must-read.

Hastings is blunt about the fun a reporter on short-term assignment can have when he doesn’t have to worry about the repercussions of what he writes. “My job was basically: Ride the buses and planes with the candidates, have big lunches and dinners on the expense account, get sources drunk and singing, then report back the behind-the-scenes story.”

Then there is this paragraph. The sentence with the bad word is the most interesting to me as it will be to you, but the whole paragraph, with its tensions and contradictions, is worth considering:

The dance with staffers is a perilous one. You’re probably not going to get much, if any, one-on-one time with the candidate, which means your sources of information are the people who work for him. So you pretend to be friendly and nonthreatening, and over time you “build trust,” which everybody involved knows is an illusion. If the time comes, if your editor calls for it, you’re supposed to fuck them over; and they’ll throw you under a bus without much thought, too. (I should say that personal friendships can actually develop, despite the odds.) For the top campaign officials and operatives, seduction and punishment of reporters is an art. Write this fluff piece now; we’ll give you something good later. No, don’t write it this way, write it that way. We’ll give you something good later.

This deserves to stand as one of the great bits of journalistic self-flagellation and revelation, only a notch below Janet Malcolm’s famous confession that “Every journalist who is not too stupid or too full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible.”

But what’s interesting about the Hastings/McChrystal case is that it’s not clear what would have been less defensible: hearing all these things and reporting them, or hearing them and choosing, for decorum’s sake, not to report them. In one case you’re f—ing sources over. In another, you’re entering into a protection racket with them.

Readers who, having considered Hastings’ description of his work methods, decide they don’t like the guy are gonna love me: on a recent trip to Afghanistan, I heard military officers on long-term assignment there occasionally say things about their superiors’ judgment, and that of civilian authorities, that wasn’t entirely complimentary. None of it was as gold as what Hastings got, but it’d certainly have spiced up my story. I chalked it up to office politics and human frailty. Who doesn’t grumble about the boss? When I went back to some of those soldiers for on-the-record versions of what they said, of course they toned their language and their analysis way down. The resulting story can rightly be critiqued as pollyannish. (Decide for yourself.)

And then, of course, there is yet a third school of reporting, which prefers to use no identifiable sources at all. Here, it’s not the source who’s getting f—ed over. Here it’s the sources who are using a reporter to f— one another, or the reader, over (“A senior Conservative source said the Liberals are desperate. Liberal insiders called this more of the same Conservative manipulation”). Yes, some of what I’ve written reads that way too.

Anyway, discuss among yourselves. The message I hope I can send is that these journalistic choices are not self-evident. If you get a reputation for playing the short con with your sources, you’re going to run out of sources awfully quickly, as Michael Hastings is about to find out. But if you pick and choose what you’ll report out of what you hear, that process is inherently compromising. My own response to this dilemma is to be glad there are different kinds of reporters who practice different styles of reporting. You get an assortment of differently-flawed portrayals. I’ve always thought readers were pretty good at assaying the right worth of what they read. But of course a lot of readers think they’re the only sophisticated reader, and everyone else is getting  snowed by the media jackals.



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  • Emily

    McChrystal better have his resignation letter with him on that flight.

  • Mike T.

    I wonder if Mr. Wells could comment on how the relative size of the Canadian media vs. the American media reflects these kinds of choices in reporting.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      A bigger market is always better. That's why I'm pleased Kory Teneycke has squeezed money out of Quebecor. If his product is good he'll school us, and that's always useful. If it's really bad, all we have to do is not be like it. Seeing whether some of our colleagues will be able to follow that latter piece of advice will be interesting to watch.

      • Mike T.

        Thank you for breaking your no commenting rule to shed light on the subject!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

        What if it is really bad and remarkably successful?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

          In some quarters your question is a contradiction. However in other quarters your question would be considered a tautology.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

            Clearly, it was a poor and unsuccessful case of tauntology. Inkless writes not, perhaps because he is inkless.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lord_Bob Lord Bob

            Paul is like a commenting ninja, always lurking in the shadows but emerging like smoke to decapitate a man with the katana of his wit.

            The only way to find his trail is to follow the path of anonymously gifted steak knives.

  • Gaunilon

    I have a few observations about the McChrystal situation. The discussion about journalism itself is a larger one.

    (1) McChrystal was way out of line. If he is replaceable he should be replaced.
    (2) I have little doubt that McChrystal's observations concerning the Obama administration are accurate.
    (3) The revelation of this discord to the public does not strike me as helpful to the US. It is not good for the morale of the troops or the morale of the public, it is good for the morale of the Taliban, it does not help with America's allies who are already shaky at best, and I see little possibility that the problems McChrystal describes will be fixed due to the public's awareness of them. As such, the reporter (as well as McChrystal) bears responsibility for damaging his country for the sake of a story.
    (4) The Obama Administration is acting stupidly by having McChrystal fly back to justify his remarks. Either he's replaceable and should already be fired, or he's not and there should be minimal public fuss in order to minimize the damage done. What they are doing is the worst of both worlds. I suspect this is because they don't want to replace him but do want to look tough and in command. Stupid.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      I suspect this is because they don't want to replace him but do want to look tough and in command. Stupid.

      Are you suggesting that it's stupid to not want to replace him, stupid to want to look tough and in command, or stupid to want to both keep him and look tough and in command? 'Cause I'll reserve judgment on the first, maybe they should just fire him, but I can imagine there are reasons they'd want to keep him, yet you can't have stuff like this happening without there appearing to be ANY consequences, so to my mind, the White House is dealing with a pretty nuanced scenario if they want to keep him around. They can't very well keep him and just act like the Rolling Stone article doesn't exist. So, if they want to keep him, what should they do? (unless you're suggesting that just keeping him is stupid, in which case, fair enough – if you're going to sack him, SACK HIM – don't bring him back for a chat first).

      • Gaunilon

        I'm suggesting that having him fly back to "explain" his remarks achieves neither purpose: it doesn't fix the problem and it also doesn't foster any sort of image of toughness or leadership, since those would be manifested by a quick and definitive consequence followed by an immediate moving on.

        Either you sack him and then fly him home, or you demote him and leave him in place. Having him "explain" his remarks suggests that no one knows what to do and they're still interested in his input on the matter while at the same time having him perform abject apologies and undergo a few harsh lectures. It's the classic inept disciplinarian's response.

        • Lord Kitchener's Own

          Fair enough. I don't think I disagree much with that.

        • DPT

          I think the trip home is just more posing by Obama who is now is permanent "find out whose ass to kick" mode. The general may have been out of line and certainly indiscreet, but that doesn't mean he's wrong about the current White House occupants.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          Living up to your name again, I see.

          In the real world, it's probably not the best idea to remove someone with as much operational expertise and experience from the field during a critical time period, as this is, if you can at all avoid it. In the real world, firing and demotion within the military structure is the same damn thing, they both put the asset's abilities outside of where they would be serving the most use.

          In the real world, if you're interested in actually leading as opposed to presenting an image, you bring this guy back to sit him down face to face and see if something can be worked out. To see if the differences between you and him are so fundamental that you simply can't work with the man, or if there's means to bring him around to your point of understanding or vice versa.

          If it's the former, he resigns thereafter. If it's the latter, you haul him out with you to show the troops that you've both managed to come to an understanding, and he gets put back in place, and the troops then know that your command structure is acting in concert, not against each other.

          Firing on the spot makes about as much sense as the Roman's technique of decimation. So naturally it makes sense that you'd be advocating it.

          • Mulletaur

            "In the real world, if you're interested in actually leading as opposed to presenting an image, you bring this guy back to sit him down face to face and see if something can be worked out. To see if the differences between you and him are so fundamental that you simply can't work with the man, or if there's means to bring him around to your point of understanding or vice versa.

            If it's the former, he resigns thereafter. If it's the latter, you haul him out with you to show the troops that you've both managed to come to an understanding, and he gets put back in place, and the troops then know that your command structure is acting in concert, not against each other."

            Nicely put, Thwim.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            bam.

            agreed fully with Thwim. with maybe a little clarification or addition. what seems key is, as twim centre's in on, maintaining the integrity of the command structure. so i think the assessment is not so much an coming to an understanding (I take it that what you meant Thwim was an understanding that McChrystal reports to, and therefore has nothing but respect for the POTUS) as much as an assessment as to whether the comments are so egregious that there is no way to keep McChrystal and to not damage the integrity of the command structure (probably considered vis a vis his operational expertise and the degree to which it is replaceable).

            Personally I cannot see anyway in which keeping McChrystal leaves the command structure in anything but tatters. he said the commander in chief is ill prepared, insufficiently engaged and has poor judgment. so like Thwim said he comes in for that discussion, offers his resignation and his career is over.

            as far as Paul's contemplation for how this is handled byt the journo's, i like the tensions he elaborates and how he reconciles them for the most part. but i would say this is not just any case of f*cking over your sources. for the same reason i think McChrystal has to go, I think that this no longer qualifies as 'just' blowing off steam and demands reporting.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

            My comment was more to the general nature of leadership, but yes, in this specific case, that would be what the understanding would have to be.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

        Exactly. Nuance is lost on those who think we live in a binary world.

        Just how good for morale would it be to sack the Commander of the Afghanistan forces for some indescriminate remarks? A long and successful military career ended for words. Do you think the unabating conservative onslaught on Obama that would be sure to ramp up even more would be good or bad for the morale of the troops or the Taliban?

        • Lord Kitchener's Own

          "how good for morale would it be to sack the Commander of the Afghanistan forces for some indescriminate remarks"

          Sure, but I do take Gaunilon's point that if you're not going to DO anything about the remarks, having him fly back to "explain" them seems kinda lame.

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

          How good for the chain of command is it to have the Commander of the Afghanistan forces going out and saying that stuff about the president and the vice president? (Whether true or not.)

          McChrystal has to be sacked. Now.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

      Gaunilon…….I fully agree with you. Either McChrystal is replaceable or he is not. No explanation is necessary. He does not appear to say the reporting was inaccurate.

      The reaction is typical Obama. No personal criticism is allowed of the great one.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        "The reaction is typical Obama. No personal criticism is allowed of the great one. "

        Yeah, I'm pretty sure EVERY Commander in Chief takes a dim view of his General's openly criticizing him or his policies. If your point is simply that Obama should just fire McChrystal, then fair enough, but this idea that the Commander in Chief should just accept open criticism from a serving General in a time of war and act like it never happened seems kinda ludicrous to me.

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

          Shouldn't sit and take it.

          Should have sacked him, then flown him back.

          Or, if he felt like being mean — and I think it would be wholly justified — sent Vice President Biden to sack him in person, then fly him back to the White House.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

            And yet, McChrystal is in a vital place at a vital time with vital information he's taken years to just 'know'. Information that can make the difference between a successful mission or a dismal failure. If you care about the soldiers, how can you dismiss so lightly the consequences of firing the guy?

            It may come to that. But can't you support the troops enough to try to repair the chain of command?

          • http://tigeronpolitics.wordpress.com Ben (The Tiger)

            Not in this case, no.

            It's a firing offense.

            Hell, I _agree_ with McChrystal about Obama and Biden. But you just can't say that stuff — not as a commander in the field.

            See also:
            http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a…

            Court martial offense, assuming calling Biden "Bite-me" counts as contemptuous.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            Not that this clears everything up, but the "Bite me" line came from a member of his staff apparently, not McChrystal.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

            Okay, the description of his first meeting with Obama still counts as contemptuous words.

            Truth is explicitly not a defense to this charge.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            I agree that truth is explicitly not a defense in a case like this. I'd also say though that a General is free to speak contemptuously towards the President in a private meeting, if the President is willing to let him speak in such a manner. Some Presidents might even insist on such straightforwardness… to a point. It's speaking this way in front of subordinates (or not causing your subordinates whiplash the moment any of THEM chooses to speak in this way about the Commander in Chief or his leadership team) that's the problem.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

            In a private meeting, absolutely. (Which is listed as a defense.)

            Not to Rolling Stone Magazine.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

            I saw you had a reply and was afraid I wouldn't get to be first to say this. But fear not.

            Ben (The Tiger), Why do You Hate the Troops?

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

            I'm an ordinary citizen and a voter, and therefore one of Obama's bosses — _I_ can say that I think he's an irresponsible so-and-so who's in way over his head.

            _Generals_ don't get to say that. (Commissioned officers don't get to say that except in private conversations with friends. I knew a few who had choice words for the previous administration — but in private.)

            If President Obama lets him get away with it… well, it doesn't speak well of his presidency.

            ***

            This is one of the very few times when I'll cite left-wing bloggers with approval, but go see these guys' posts: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/06/22/mcchrystal… http://www.openleft.com/diary/19190/assert-civili…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

            Sorry, Ben (TT), I guess you're new around here.

            My comment was a running joke on the Macleans boards. I actually agree with you on what you get to say vs. what a General gets to say. And I even agree that it's a firing offense under normal circumstances–but the Americans are at war, which is not considered a 'normal' circumstance.

            (For myself, I wonder the number of years not at war vs. the number of years in a war and so what is normal for them, but a time of war is considered an extraordinary time in most legislation)

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

            I'm not new, but I don't post all that often. (Lost my old profile when this site started logging me on using my WordPress id.) I pick a thread every now and then and go with it.

            But I'll say this: it's actually because it's wartime that it's all the more important to uphold those rules.

            The civilian, elected officials have the final word, and if the top commanders go shooting their mouths off to the press — well, they can do it from thinktank posts in DC or California (possibly after they spend a year on the people's dime at Fort Leavenworth).

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

          Lord Kitchener…….My point about Obama was that he has proven himself to be very sensitive to being publicly criticized.

          There is a real issue with McChrystal allowing himself to be caught speaking ill of the Commander in Chief. However, having said it the President could have ignored it and pressed on with the more important issues facing Afghanistan i.e. what is in the best interest of the country.

          Obviously Obama has lost confidence in McChrystal and he should have fired him immediately. There is no sitting on the fence. Either the comments were said and there is no doubt they were or they were not. Having confirmed he said what he said McChrystal should be fired.

          Another day another mess for Obama to deal with. He is going to be a one term president unless something dramatic happens. He is on the road to self destruction. When Americans keep disagreeing with every major policy initiative and a President chooses to ignore them he is in for a world of hurt in the November election and in the subsequent Presidential election.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            dear hollinm, do you think any ranking officer would ignore a soldier calling him or her ill-prepared and lacking in judgment and competence? or are they overly sensitive too?

    • Mike T.

      It is always troubling and orwellian when arguments start moving from "important factual military information could be revealed which would have strategic consequences" to "our highly trained and disciplined fighting forces will start blubbering if the poor dears are made aware of this very generalized information."

    • Mike T.

      Discipling an employee is usually done in person when its serious , even when they are away on an assignment.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

        I would imagine it's also somewhat more intimidating to have a closed-door meeting in the oval office than a conference call from a forward operating base. I liken McChrystal's summons to being sent to the principal's office.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

          It is very much like that. That is exactly the problem- it is infantile.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            I don't think this is going to happen, but if they actually are going to fire McChyrystal, would you give any weight at all to a desire to do it in person rather than by teleconference?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

            I can see how that's more courteous, but in cases like this I think the most important thing is to get it over with ASAP. Every day of news coverage on this has bad consequences. So, I'm not saying that firing is the answer, but if it is the answer then it should have been done right away, his replacement should have been brought up to speed immediately, and then McChrystal comes home quietly.

            This is command insubordination on a grand scale in a combat theatre. You don't screw around with this in an attempt to preserve dignity or feelings, you just get it done and move forward as quickly as possible.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            Again, I see your point. I think Harry Truman would have a thing or two to say about how easy it is to fire a popular general though, and you have to admit, if the President just fired him right away the Republicans would be APOPLECTIC.

            If firing's not the answer, then I wonder what Obama should have done, because "nothing" hardly seems an option.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

            Republicans would understand — at least, the ones who give a darn about republican norms would.

            I'm a Republican, I generally agree with what the soldiers were saying, and I think they have to go.

            Cant have your theatre commanders doing that stuff. An honorable man would have resigned first, _then_ unloaded on Obama and Biden.

          • Gaunilon

            Yep, and an honourable man would have waited until either the conflict is over or until Obama/Biden were out of office before unloading unless there was some pressing need to make these things public. To unload while he's still in command is completely insane. Hard to believe of an officer at that level, actually.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            I should have said "Republican officeholders" above, who are admittedly a (sometimes RADICALLY) different breed from "Republicans".

          • Gaunilon

            I think a demotion while leaving him as an XO to the new commander is also an option. I don't particularly care what the Republicans would think, and I agree with you (as I've said repeatedly above) that firing is not necessarily the best solution.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            I don't care what the Republicans think either, nor do I think that the President should, however, this is politics, so I think the President does have to factor in what they'll say, and the effects of that on the country and (much less importantly) on his chances of re-election.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            I am less sure than you are. There are rumblings that "Miss Me Yet?" not only applies to the recently retired GW Bush. Some US citizens are longing for the days of Jimmy Carter. Obama would likely be receiving advice that his presidency is at risk of going down as a weak stewardship over a declining nation, and he had better start showing some more srtength as Commander in Chief.

            Scenario: Fire the General for, at best, extreme lack of judgment and at worst, dangerous insubordination, Appoint a new general who is pretty much aligned with the ongoing strategy. Hire a civilian consultant (Oh. look! This McChrystal fellow has impeccable ceredentials and just became available!) to confidentially advise on military tactics and strategy so that such wisdom would be (quietly!) available to the military brass and the commander-in-chief.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            such wisdom would be (quietly!) available to the military brass and the commander-in-chief

            Sure, but if he can't keep quiet while he's actually serving as a staff officer in the field and has to salute the President, what would make them think he can keep quiet as a civilian contractor?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            A confidentiality agreement with terms that include suing him to within a dime of his life in the event of non-compliance.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Style Style

      Isn't the point of flying him back to Washington so that he has to face the press, and apologize some more, and retract his statements some more, while standing beside Obama and Biden? I suspect the President's office has already spoken with the General by telephone by this point.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jandrewpotter andrew potter

    It is interesting that you found that piece with a moment of googling. It means that whoever on McChr's staff who allowed Hastings all that access didn't do the most fundamental bit of due diligence on the journalist.

    Also, it might be worth noting that David Akin has his ground rules for sources clearly laid out: http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2009…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/tedbetts tedbetts

      "didn't do the most fundamental bit of due diligence on the journalist."

      Or, worse, they did.

  • Emily

    McChrystal's aide has now 'resigned.'

  • Gaunilon

    "…it’s not clear what would have been less defensible: hearing all these things and reporting them, or hearing them and choosing, for decorum’s sake, not to report them. In one case you’re f—ing sources over. In another, you’re entering into a protection racket with them."

    I have always considered journalism to be a profession of paramount importance in a free country. As such, it seems to me that a reporter has a duty to serve the public, not his sources. However I also believe that a man should keep his word, whatever his profession. Therefore a journalist should not lie to his sources about what he might reveal later, but beyond that, it's no holds barred.

    • Richard

      Spare me. Journalism is a business like any other. Reporters and columnists are paid to write whatever sells newspapers or advertising to readers. The only 'paramount importance' is making money.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        I don't agree with this analysis, but if it's true, then there are a bunch of special legal protections that journalists are afforded beyond those of an ordinary citizen that I think they should be stripped of. If it's just a business like any other, concerned with nothing more than profit, then the employees of said business should be treated like the employees of ANY business.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

          Lord Kichener's………we need to see changes in the way reporters do their jobs in this country. There is no question that the government needs to be held accountable. However, this thing about quoting so called annonymous sources and really gossip being used for hard news is not proper. No wonder the country is cynical.

          The way it is today Canadians who are interested in the political process have no idea whether a particular policy is good or bad. We get advocacy journalism. There is no way someone who wants to know the facts can get them easily and then decide on their own whether they agree or not with a policy.

          A recent example is the fake lake issue. The Liberals stand up and say that the lake is going to cost $1.9 million. The media immediately grabs onto it and it is repeated on virtually every media outlet in the country not once but many times.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

            hollinm continued……..

            Every political panel show runs a segment on it. No apparent attempt was made to verify the information provided by the Libs. Suddenly we find out the cost of the lake is $57,000 not $1.9 million. Yet no one apologizes nor are there many stories about the fact that the Libs misled the House, the country and the media.

            The same could be said about the so called wafergate story. Funny we find out it was all trumped up by a corrupt publisher and editor. No worry. Its only the nasty Prime Minister. He deserves it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

            I agree that the quality and depth of news reporting overall should increase.

            That said, I'm a heathen and I still know not to pocket – or even look like I'm pocketing – a communion wafer, and I also know that Lake Ontario is mere metres from the Direct Energy Centre. It is in that spirit that I am boggled with the actions of those responsible for the said conduct and money-spending.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            At least part of the problem on the fake lake thing though was that no one in the government ever questioned the number either. They all just immediately set about defending how $2 million was a perfectly reasonable amount to spend on a big fake lake. Didn't seem at all unreasonable to them until a day later.

            Also, anyone who thinks the cost of the lake is really the issue hasn't been paying attention.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      "it seems to me that a reporter has a duty to serve the public, not his sources"

      I agree, however, in a case like this the question does arise as to whether the public is better served by these comments coming out, or by these comments NOT coming out. I'm generally a "the more information the better" kind of guy, but I think a logical argument can be made on both sides, and people could legitimately disagree as to where the "public interest" lies in this case. One could also make an argument I think (not necessarily relevant to this case), that serving one's sources in scenario A could allow one to better serve the public when subsequent scenario B comes up, and if B is much more important than A, then the public interest is better served by going along in the first instance than not.

      The point being, it can all be pretty complicated.

  • hollinm

    I could care less about McChrystal but the fact is this is how many people see the Parliamentary Press Gallery in Canada. Hastings exposed how the media work and how stories are manipulated by editors/publishers.

    A bunch of blood suckers who are only interested in advocacy journalism and who are prepared to destroy our political system by attacking any politician who they do not like and with no effort to verify or investigate to confirm the truth or the validity of the information being provided.

    There is no question that politicians use the media and in some ways its a symbiotic relationship. However, the public has become cynical and it is because of the unprincipled way the media in this country report.

    That is why when the media crticize the government the public simply takes what they are saying with a grain of salt.

    • John W.

      Were you going mention Stephane Dion and didn't get to it?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Party_of_One Party_of_One

      "A bunch of blood suckers who are only interested in advocacy journalism and who are prepared to destroy our political system…"

      That's a little OTT, don't you think? You're implying intent, and I really don't think reporters/journalists have that, at least not in the way you're suggesting. They are, however, encouraged to write copy that sells advertising. Journo's "may" tend toward criticism of the status quo (which, since our society is apparently moving to the right, means advocating for the "leftier" positions), but publishers also tend towards supporting the status quo; it is what makes their organization money!

      • Wascally Wabbit

        Hollinm doesn't understand OTT Party of One – even though he practices it!

  • Kat

    There's a running joke in the military…when a decision needs to made, first find the common sense solution and then know that the government or senior brass will do the exact opposite. It works a lot of the time.

    McChrystal was critical of Obama at the beginning when he was already President for a number of months but still hadn't had a meeting with his generals. They wondered openly if he didn't have too much on his plate he couldn't focus.

    It's not surprising that they are taking action to at least show there is punishment involved. Your top general should never give the appearance that there is disagreement between those in the field and their political masters. Look what happened to General Mckenzie when he criticized the UN on CNN – there was nothing untrue about what he said but it cost him his job.

    • Mike T.

      It's not just the military, it's any large organization. But it can't be relied upon because sometimes it's a case of those actually doing the job knowing what works best, but sometimes it's a matter of those on top having a more broad perspective and being able to take other factors into account – and you never know which is which.

  • Steve M

    Oh, to live in a world of no third school. No more tidbits from "senior Liberal insiders", "close friends of the singer", or "sources in the team locker room". Put your name to it or keep your yap shut. I know that this is not really practical, and a lot of scandals have been uncovered this way, but it's just a nice thought experiment.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok Sean

    This might be a bit beside the point, but I think we sometimes are too fixated by "insider" details, and fool ourselves into thinking they represent a superior understanding of things than the broader context and narrative of events. Off-the-record or off-the-cuff remarks often make for salicious news tidbits, but rarely tell us much we couldn't figure out from careful consideration of the big picture.

    As for journalists, I expect the best ones should often feel a bit lonely while on the job, which is the natural outcome of cultivating relationships that are necessarily bounded by ulterior purpose.

  • Sven

    Remember all those stories about how the Tea Party movement was searching for a leader without connections to the Dems or GOP and that a military man would provide some "straight talk' to the masses.
    Would you want to fire McCrystal now?

    • Mike T.

      Depends, if the Tea Party starts running candidates, it would be awesome for the democrats to beef it up as much as possible.

    • Kaplan

      Really? Because McChrystal voted for Obama.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Yeah, I'm going to go with Mike on this one, if the Tea Party movement is looking for a leader to lead them into an election, then it would be in the Democrats best interests for them to be as strong as they can possibly be. Unless one thinks that the Tea Party can manage to completely subsume the Republican Party AND reach out to independents at the same time, which I think is a delusional hope.

    • John W.

      Has he shown General McArthur tendencies? I don't think so. The US right will be going crazy on this, but winning him over as a candidate? No.

    • http://TheJeffFariasShow.com BlueBerry Pick'n

      can you say "junta"?

      [youtube 0V3mE5beWuQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V3mE5beWuQ youtube]

      There is something *deeply* wrong with the US & its incestuous relationship to providing their partisan corporations military & 'covert' military support in foreign nations.

      That corporations are becoming more & more comfortable with having 'private' militaries is disturbing.

      More disturbing is Harper's obsession with Xi (Blackwater) & Blackwater related thugs train Canadians.

      & that Eric Prince moved to the UAE to avoid prosecution for warcrimes. yeah. that's disturbing.

      [youtube yJUEULWEP9c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJUEULWEP9c youtube]

      • http://TheJeffFariasShow.com BlueBerry Pick'n

        that script is really irritating, it duplicates video intended as different videos.
        apologies that I didn't pick that up.
        THIS is the second video:

        [youtube yJUEULWEP9c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJUEULWEP9c youtube]

  • wsam

    In the US, during the President’s State of the Union address the generals sitting in the front row never applaud. Serving military are forbidden from publicly cheering one political party or policy over another. The military’s job is to execute the country’s democratically agreed upon policies. They take this very seriously in US military circles as the US military is proud to have never even tried to overturn civilian authority – an almost singular achievement, especially in a country with such a large and powerful military establishment.

    All officers have to read Samuel Huntington’s the ‘Soldier and the State’.

  • Kaplan

    People always bitch about their job, and their superiors. And any journalist knows this, and can exploit that fact to create an entertaining story. Higher-ups should know this, and act accordingly, but I think Wells' restraint actually demonstrates fair and sound judgement. What is earned by reporting on the 'Obama's a jerk,' and 'Man, that Harper talks a good game, but you should have heard what so-and-so saw in a meeting a year ago!' I mean, if there's issues regarding national security, then I supposed some of that is fair game. But this stuff regarding Obama and his advisers seems, to me anyway, to be a case of a freelancer only too happy to prod staffers (staffers! of all people!) for the dirt, and for these staffers to be only too happy to play the 'off the record' game.

    I mean, Obama's got his faults, but does anyone really, truly believe that he is unengaged or uninterested in Afghanistan? It's only the centrepiece of his foreign policy…

  • Lord Kitchener's Own

    Who doesn’t grumble about the boss?

    Sure, and a good point.

    However, there's still a difference, I think, between grumbling about the boss with your colleagues, and grumbling about the boss to your subordinates. The fry cooks talking about how the Manager of their McDonald's is crazy is one thing, but that's different from the manager of the McDonald's telling the fry cooks that the CEO of McDonald's is crazy, isn't it? Similarly, I think a bunch of NCOs sitting around complaining about their platoon leader amongst themselves is one thing, complaining about their platoon leader to the men under them is another thing entirely.

    • John W.

      And it's life or death out there.

    • wsam

      Fry cooks don't have the ability to take over the government.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        Uh, OK.

        I think I was actually explicitly making the point that the fry cooks complaining about their Manager is one thing, but that the situation with McChyrystal is something else entirely, but perhaps I was too obtuse.

  • YoungMG

    I don't understand how McChrystal can't get sacked for this.

    Not more than a month ago, Canada sacked its top commander in Afghanistan for shagging a Corporal. It was the right decision, and needed to be done.

    I'd argue that McChrystal's breach of regs is far more serious than Brig.Gen Menard's was.

  • Mulletaur

    "Readers who, having considered Hastings’ description of his work methods, decide they don’t like the guy are gonna love me: on a recent trip to Afghanistan, I heard military officers on long-term assignment there occasionally say things about their superiors’ judgment, and that of civilian authorities, that wasn’t entirely complimentary. None of it was as gold as what Hastings got, but it’d certainly have spiced up my story. I chalked it up to office politics and human frailty. Who doesn’t grumble about the boss?"

    What would your attitude have been if those same officers would have grumbled about their commander's intimate personal relationship with somebody under his command ?

    I would like to think that this information would have been the starting point for some investigative journalism on your part, rather than just dismissing it as "office politics and human frailty".

    Just wondering.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok Sean

      The case you cite is interesting, in that no journalist was needed to remedy the situation.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

      When I read reporting of what amounts to nothing more than office gossip, I consider the article – and sometimes even the paper itself – a tabloid.

      It's not something for a news organization to aspire to be, IMO.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        I agree with this sentiment generally, however, a General who is commanding troops in the field allegedly committing an offense for which he could be court marshaled arguably goes a bit beyond "office gossip".

        • madeyoulook

          Especially when said General would be the ultimate in-theatre enforcer of the rule he himself is violating.

          • Mulletaur

            Yes, that's actually very bad for morale. Aside from being against Queen's Regulations.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    Interesting radio interview with Michael Hastings this morning:
    http://www.thetakeaway.org/2010/jun/22/michael-ha…

  • Wascally Wabbit

    With all the focus on what Gen McCrystal may have said about his boss's boss and his backup – the VP – there is more troubling commenting buried in the analysis of this that I read in the New York Times today.
    There is a tendency amongst McCrystal's direct reports to want to push seriously back against their rules of engagement – and to voice that in the presence of McCrystal and this reporter. These are the rules that limit the types of retalitory actions – in the interests of avoiding collateral losses which are counter productive to the fundamental aim of winning hearts and minds of the Afghan people.
    That was the reason that McCrystal was chosen for this mission – because he is supposed to be an advocate for and an expert in this kind of counter insurgency action.
    If he wasn't challenging / disciplining his men for challenging this approach in his presence – one has to wonder if he is in fact a total B/S-er – not practicing what he preaches.
    Shades of Hillier and what is emerging from the Afghan detainee investigation!

    • Wascally Wabbit

      More – [from the NYT quote of the Rolling Stone article]
      "…The article also describes a meeting in which a soldier vents his frustration over General McChrystal’s tightening of the rules governing the use of air strikes against suspected insurgents. The soldier, Pfc. Jared Pautsch, is quoted telling General McChrystal that he is endangering the lives of soldiers by forcing them to be too restrained.

      Pfc. Jared Pautsch is quoted as telling the general the Americans should just drop a “bomb on the place,” and asking, “What are we doing here?”

      Actually – a lot of people are asking that fundamental question – from a different perspective – What are we doing there?

    • http://www.TennisVagabond.com Big Dave S

      This is a Pfc you're talking about. A random private in a force of tens of thousands sending a bitching email to his mission commander who he probably imagined would never see it. Its interesting that McCrystal took the time to contact the soldier, but the message itself seems just random and not really a trend or problem in itself.

    • Oliver

      You should probably read the actual article. It's linked on the NY Times article.
      It gives a more balanced picture of the man.
      I always found it hilarious that the stereotype of the militar badass having nothing but contempt for the politicians is actually true. You'd think that people who depend on a very simple concept, the chain of command, wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with it.
      Then again, most of the incendiary comments picked up by the freelancer seemed to be in the from of jokes between soldiers. While they do suggest a rift between the suits and the brass, that's nothing new.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Not so simple Dave. The reporter – in an satellite phone interview with CNN just finished – is suggesting that there is a general discontent with McCrystal's strategy by the US troops there. Also that the remarks were being made by McCrystal's direct reports within 48 hours of the reporter arriving in theatre – not – for example – after he'd been there 3 months and got cosy with them. He was also asked whether he had established clear ground rules for what was on and off the record – and he affirmed that – and threw in for good measure that some of the stuff that was "off the record" would be more contentious.
    Finally – the CNN host was quoting from the military code – and section 88 suggests that contemptuous remarks about the Prez, Veep, toehrs named – was strictly forbidden in a thearte of war – and was punishable as a court martial offence. Gen. McCrystal is in deep hot water it seems!

  • wsam

    The original Rolling Stone article was pretty clearly agaisnt COIN and McCrystal's (and Obama's) current hearts & minds strategy.

    According to the article, the troops interviewd want less emphasis on minimizing civilian losses and more focus on killing people.

    Didn't they already try that?

  • madeyoulook

    REPORT: The General offers his resignation.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100…

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Interesting that in that post there is speculation that the White House is looking for a replacement who could be "quickly confirmed by the Senate". The story at the Telegraph is pretty thin, but if it's correct that a replacement for McChrystal would indeed have to be confirmed by the Senate, that might go some way to explain why the President didn't just immediately sack him.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      CNN has a "Latest Developments page" set up on the controversy. The latest:

      [Updated at 10:11 p.m.] McChrystal likely will resign Wednesday, a Pentagon source with ongoing contacts with the general said.

  • Steve M

    I've noticed that all of the coverage of this story has tended to be "McChrystal was out of line!", and "Obama is taking his General to the woodshed!" I don't disagree, but I can't help but think that if this were Bush or Harper being criticized by one of their top military commanders, that commander would be treated as a media darling and the ledes would be about the Pres/PM's "deficiencies".

  • http://TheJeffFariasShow.com BlueBerry Pick'n

    are we sure that HACK in that Rolling Stone title wasn't being used in reference to him BEING a HACK?

    wouldn't "getting hacked" imply his electronic communications' privacy were compromised?

    quite frankly, the US military & Canada's is being used as corporate thug squads against populations which hold resources & transportation routes.
    They simply give it good PR.

    That a military 'officer & a gentleman' is willing to be used like that? makes him a hack.

    Timeline for Smedley Butler, shocked & disillusioned US war hero & author of "War is a Racket":

    "In 1933, Marine Corps major-general Smedley Butler was approached by a group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush, George W's …" http://tinyurl.com/32gsed8

    Don't forget Eisenhower's warning: when a culture makes its money off war, war becomes their goals.

    [youtube 13Gt1bhKLhs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13Gt1bhKLhs youtube]

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