Speaking of hyperventilating

MARK STEYN: In his scathing attacks on Fox News, Don Newman sounds a bit bombastic himself

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:46am - 219 Comments

Nicholas Roberts/The New York Times

Fox News? Oh, c’mon, everyone knows it’s a “minaret for America First prejudice” and “hyperventilated extremism” “screeching to the converted” with “the none-too-bright persona of the schoolyard bully.”

So says Christopher Dornan, director of something called the Arthur Kroeger College of Public Affairs at Carleton University, writing in the Toronto Star.

Naturally, the news that Quebecor is planning a Fox of the North has horrified non-screechy fellows like professor Dornan. According to CBC eminence Don Newman, it’s “the absolute last thing this country needs.” No hyperventilating at the Ceeb, thank goodness.

Full disclosure: for the last few years, I’ve guest-hosted for Sean Hannity on Fox News, first on Hannity & Colmes, latterly on its successor show Hannity. Always have a grand time. The money’s not great, but occasionally, if I’m at a media event in New York, Fox’s head honcho Roger Ailes will give me a shout out from the podium and say, “Mark does just a fabulous job.” And sometimes he almost sounds as if he means it.

Whereas Don Newman’s network has never asked me to guest-host anything. When it comes to the CBC, my phone hasn’t stopped not ringing. So take it as read that I’m eaten up by bitterness. For one thing, it’s severely reduced my chances of being governor general.

Nevertheless, I was struck by the somewhat generalized nature of the anti-Fox jeremiads.
As professor Dornan sees it, the problem isn’t Fox’s “conservatism,” or “even its bombast”: “It’s the channel’s mean-spirited vindictiveness. Opposing viewpoints are entertained, if at all, not so that they can be debated but so that they can be debased: brayed at, mocked, vilified.”

Example?

I mean, how difficult can it be, with all that endemic braying and mean-spirited vindictiveness?
Meanwhile, back at the CBC, Don Newman explains it for us: “Fox News has been hugely polarizing. It specializes in drive-by attacks and misrepresentations, and is positively Orwellian at times, claiming to be ‘fair and balanced’ while implying that its competitors aren’t.
“The reality is that it mainly spews out propaganda that is dangerously misleading and often factually wrong.”

Again: example? Just one?

Now I’m not a responsible, objective, neutral journalist like Mr. Newman. But even we hyperventilating schoolyard bullies spewing to the converted and debasing all others know enough about passing ourselves off as journalists to be aware that you can’t just declare things to be so without producing some evidence thereof. And yet Messrs. Dornan and Newman spend, between them, 2,000 words doing just that. Surely with so many “drive-by attacks” and so much Orwellian bombast to choose from, it would be the work of moments to produce some devastating sound bite by this or that right-wing blowhard. Otherwise, it risks looking a bit like—how would one put it?—a “positively Orwellian” “drive-by attack” by someone “claiming to be fair and balanced” while insisting his competitors aren’t.

Bookmark and Share
  • Albert

    You favor, "small Government"?? Your just another sloganizing, braying ass, Mark!.
    What the…. is "small government"? Define it! Tell us what you REALLY stand for.
    Joining in the off key chorus of snotty geeks metabolized out of the republican party, counts zero. TELL US what YOU, stand for.

    • thehorseyourodeinon

      I can't speak for Mr. Steyn, but here's my definition of small government. Small government is a government that provides for a common defense (military), plans for, constructs, and maintains infrastructure (i.e. roads, bridges, criminal justice system), and…..hmmm, that's about it. Expenditures for these services at the federal level should be around $600 billion to $800 billion per year tops. Zero income and zero capital gains taxes. Impose duties on imported goods to pay for this. No more public debt. No more social security. No more subsidies for ethanol. No more subsidies for any business activity. If you feel motivated to help those in need then join a church and tithe. Churches will once again become the provider of social services including hospitals, orphanages, and basic assistance for everyday life to those without the means to provide it themselves. Of course, my ideas are mean spirited, greed based, and selfish. Never mind this is how the U.S. operated for the first 175 years of its existence.

      • Guest

        Charles Dickens would certainly welcome this. It would give him all kinds of ideas for new novels. Well, it might have if he wasn't long dead.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

          Other than the fact the Dickens had this depressive knack for making barbed wire out of chicken wire, and mountains from molehills, and exaggeration from issues that were more an issue of technological prowess of the age more so than government's wise and magnanimous hand in things, I'm sure somewhere you'd have a point. Maybe. Historians note his charm in making sappy Christmas tales about how horrible life was until advanced socialism came to Ye Olde Isle, but are not so happy with his BS on some accounts.

    • RM of Ont

      Man are you angry.

      • Orson Bean

        Ironic, isn't it? I thought it was conservatives who were supposed to be the angry ones.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DonSharpe DonSharpe

      Whoa, you don't know where Mark Steyn stands? Back in the clown car, Alberto.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/garretso garretso

    Mr Steyn,
    Thank you for you insight and straight-talk. I would vote for you for President of the United States.

    • Guest

      The Birthers might have something to say about that…or would they?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/garretso garretso

        The precedent has been established, right?

        • Guest

          I would disagree, but I won't push the issue. I don't want to end up on a poster with green hair and an exaggerated smile.

          Something tells me the Birthers will STFU when a Republican is back in the White House. Same for the Tea Party, but I will have to wait until after 2012 to find out.

  • Jamie MacMaster

    Mr. Rowlatt is scrupulous not to have any views of his own; he merely presents those of others—and, as he put it, “there is a growing view that mitigating climate change means we have to change our view of democracy.”

    Sad thing is, a good part of the public wouldn’t have any opinion on that, and, another sizable portion could be easily convinced that it was necessary.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      People made sheep by our public education system that suppresses critical thinking and pushes the leftist party line are easily led by "crooks" (shepherds' staffs).

  • LC Bennett

    "But precisely because of their cozy assumptions I prefer a marketplace of ideas to state-regulated conformity"

    That is precisely what scares them. Up until this point the CBC has convinced themselves that they are the keepers of Canadian values and anyone who disagrees with them is un-Canadian. Sure, there have been a few clues that they are wrong – the defeat of Paul "clean sweep 2004" Martin, Stephane "Green Shift" Dion and Michael "Big Brain" Ignatieff- but they have never had to compete head to head with a real conservative rival. This time around CBC's assumptions will be tested with objective measures. It will be interesting to compare the number of viewers and their demographics.

    My only concern is that SUN TV will be conservative-light. In regards to climate change, for example, I suspect they may be more a bluish-green teal than true blue. Not in the usual alarmist, Armageddon MSM way but in the deference to experts Coyne/Gardner manner. There is also a big difference between the blunt,straightforward western way of debating a topic and the polite, uptight and scolding manner of central Canada. Figuring out how to blend these too very different cultures will be a challenge.

    • LC Bennett

      two not too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

    Your post (Bonko) is logically incoherent. You seem not to know what the essence of political conservatism is though you claim to be a conservative. But then I can claim to be the Queen of England. That doesn't make it so.

    A conservative does not support statism, particularly not state controlled media/information. You praise a Chinese government news site because they let your comment stand: "I once commented there that I wanted to move to China to escape the rampant Marxism here in Canada. They didn't delete that comment, unlike Maclean's, which routinely deletes comments that might be marginally offensive to some".

    Exactly what in your confused mind would the Chinese find objectionable about your comment and its slavish flattery? They probably fell down laughing over your belief that Canada is more marxist than China. Post a defense of Falun Gong there and see whether they "let it stand".

    • Wakefield

      The reason is that Bonko is spicing up with snark, methinks.

      Or, Bonko is really just Bonkers.

      • Wakefield

        Having said that, Thomas Friedman certainly thinks that for all the nasty drawbacks, the Red Chinese are right on par in using "enlightened" force to get Green things done. Or, so we're told by His Illustriousness.

        ..and Friedman wasn't kidding.

  • Canadian in US

    This is a very good post on the NationPost that I just read: http://www.financialpost.com/news/Right+fights+ba…

    Several fantastic quotes:
    "A memorable incident occurred recently as Marci McDonald did her media tour for her new book about the rise of Christians in Canadian politics. Levant had the gall to call out McDonald for her apparent bias against Christians on CTV's Question Period, noting that had McDonald's book been about any group but Christians — Jews, blacks or gays, for example–she would have been called a bigot. Valid point, I thought.

    Host Craig Oliver's response? "I think very few people would accept what you say here, Ezra." McDonald's follow up? "I'm not even going to dignify his ridiculous accusations." The substance of the comment was never addressed."

    It is rather shocking that this can actually happen. How is it not bigoted?

    Also,
    "But can any objective assessment comparing Harper's style to Jean Chretien seriously conclude that the current PM is any more callous or vindictive? (Harper has yet to grab a protester by the throat, of course, but if he did, one can only imagine the media outcry that would ensue.)"

    This, too, is very true. If I had to judge Stephen Harper based on media reports, he's a very easily angered man. But he has yet to grab somebody by the throat.

    • Orson Bean

      I saw that interview with Craig Oliver and it was a biased joke. Oliver was ridiculously biased against Levant, and didn't even listen to some very valid points that Levant brought up.

    • Maureen

      I agree – the media has done a soft sell on control freak Chretien and continue to portray him as a great leader – he was nothing more than a petty vindictive little man who turned the Liberal Party of Canada into a joke.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/HostileLogic HostileLogic

    The MSM (Marx Stream Media) was once known as the 4th Estate, a provider of facts and guardian of the people's freedoms.

    Now it has become the 5th Column, provider of lies and deceit and an enemy of freedom. The MSM performed one of history's most masterful con jobs in whitewashing the ideological identity of Barack Hussein Obama.

  • Gary K.

    Excuse me, Mark. Allow me to interrupt just for a sec.

    Don who?

  • Andrew (not PorC)

    Steyn: If you need evidence that FOX is misleading at times, please watch the Daily Show for a couple of days and I'm sure they will highlight a doozy for you. My favourite from the last year is presenting an event that had happened weeks earlier as live footage of a Tea Party event.

    There are dozens of other examples of lies and misrepresentations, so I'll assume you weren't asking the question rhetorically.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      Ah yes, the Daily Show, run by a comedian with a strong leftist bias. Now there's the place to get your "news".

      • Andrew (not P or C)

        The Daily Show is not a news program. It satirizes news. Nonetheless, FOX got caught red-handed trying to pass off one event as another.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

      The Daily Show is a comedy, and makes no effort to represent the facts accurately (which is fine). The incident you're talking about was when Hannity mistakenly showed a pic of the Promise Keepers rally instead of the Tea Party. (a) He apologized on air for that mistake, and (b) it's not clear that it inflated the numbers, since other pictures of the actual Tea Party also show a gigantic crowd that is possibly even bigger (and it's clearly the Tea Party as evidenced by all the yellow "Don't Tread on Me" banners people were carrying).

      I watch the Daily Show pretty regularly, and although I enjoy the distortions, I can generally tell that they are indeed distortions. You'd be better off believing most of what comes out of Fox News than out of the Daily Show….unfortunately I think a lot of folks make the same mistake you did.

      • Andrew (not P or C)

        Would FOX have apologized if they had not been called out for it? I can't accept that you accidentally use weeks-old footage when covering a live event. Either they're liars or incompetents.

        I get my news from sources with less of a political agenda than FOX or the Daily Show (and I'd hold them about the same level of esteem as news sources).

        The incident I mentioned is hardly isolated. Another that comes to mind are the outright lies told about what the CRU emails contain. Anyone who read the emails in their entirety would have gotten a much different impression that the selective quoting and torquing used by FOX.

        • Van Grungy

          The CRU emails are only the tip of the iceberg.

          Your choice of news sites must practice the time honoured tradition censorship by omission…
          wattsupwiththat.com Even the warmists visit from time to time.

      • Maureen

        I don't get my news for the Mercer Report or from 22 Minutes and I don't watch the Daily Show for the same reason.

    • Kyle

      The Daily Show? Oh, yes, that's the one where the guys sits in the front and pulls faces and the audience, preselected stoner leftists, laughs on cue.

      Thanks for the hot tip, bro, but I think I'll pass on that news source.

    • Elize Nayden

      Yep that was obviously misleading, but you can find these same methods in the New York Times, MSNBC, CNN and CBS (Rathergare?). The question is why they allways single out FOX News for their criticism of bias. Maybe bias?

  • nick

    Thanks Mark. Healthy discussion is always the best way to a healthy body politic. The CBC to its credit does provide good coverage though its choice of subject matter (just listen to its radio broadcast news) often cherry picks issues that are appealing to certain points of view. CTV is far worse as it seems to have a brain meld with CNN when it comes to international matters. I look forward to another choice as should all of us The reality is that we can always turn it off if we do not like it. I shrugged off cable many years ago and now read more, scour the web and try not to be afraid of a differing point of view.

    We do not all want to think the same. We shouldn't. If we do we will become a nation of sheep which has never proven a good thing. The discussion of ideas should occur in an open marketplace. As such, I welcome Sun TV and wish it all the best.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wakefield Wakefield Tolbert

    Technically legal or not, am I to understand (and maybe you have the full Monty on this, as I truly don't know and don't live in Canada) that these sham marriages, or mere "blessings" have no legal standing whatsoever when it comes to issues of property, inheretence, and state benefits of one type or another?

    They are therefore totally and utterly null and void in the eyes of the state?

    • Guest

      Although, if you live with a person for more than a year, you become a common-law spouse and they can take you to court for both alimony and child support — even if the child is not yours. In that year of co-habitation, you are the spouse and potentially the parent of your girlfriend's tot(s).

      • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield

        Hmmm. Takes longer than that here, and in most states that recognize this (not all do!) you have to have other things established, up to and including telling the community you are married, filing taxes jointing, and usually the woman taking the last name, among other activities that would lead people to assume a marriage type arrangement. Ya can't just tramp around down here for one year and expect a whole lot, except maybe get your stereo and TV back. Interesting. Also, in those states that still recognize common law marriage, it should be noted that cohabitation is not enough, and there whole issue of "number of years" or any set time period is largely beside the point–the real factors being how you present your relationship to the larger community, and some other things.

  • Sabot

    The only MSM story I would pay to read. Headline : "Gubmint Sells CBC to Torstar For One Dollar. Experts Unsure Worth That Much".

  • Jeet

    Mark Steyn for PM. Newman–banish the whining lefty to N Korea. Good lthing my father is dead–if he knew he went to war so the Don Newmans of the world can spew their garbage he wouldn't have gone.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObieWan ObieWan

    They hate FOX because of what it represents. Glenn Beck,O'Reilly and the rest of the crew are the faces of what the liberals really hate,YOU! Anyone who travels the road less driven,the stream less paddled,the trail less walked, anyone who is an individual and doesn't buy into the BS they try to sell is who they really hate. But know one thing for sure,they'll always need you because they're nothing by themselves,nothing at all !!!

  • Virgil

    Fox news is the only good channel on tv.

  • chambers

    Steyn is also correct in pointing out that we are seeing an unsettling trend among "elite" media types to disparage democracy and look with increased longing toward a one-party state with severe controls on what can be said, printed and broadcast. (Mostly in the name of the saving the planet of course.) Several months ago Thomas Friedman of the NY Times wrote of his admiration for the way that "the Chinese got things done" and prettty much said that what we need to cure our woes is a good dose of monolithic Chinese-style government. I suspect that an increasing number on Mr. Friedman's side of the ledger share this view. It may be a cloud no larger than a child's hand but it is certainly gathering steam.

  • mike

    It is a simple statement of fact to assert that women have abortion rights in the USA but not in, say, Saudi Arabia. The biases of those who make such statements of fact are irrelevant to the matter of their truth. As for the use of "gay rights" to refer to homosexual marriage, it is because gays were demanding the right to marry, and even those opposed to homosexual marriage refer to supporters as "gay rights activists" and such. So your point falls flat.

    • R. Craigen

      Mike: "As for the use of "gay rights" to refer to homosexual marriage, it is because gays were demanding the right to marry, and even those opposed to homosexual marriage refer to supporters as "gay rights activists""

      Whether used by advocates or their opponents the use of the term tacitly acknowledges that supporters regard this as a right. The same goes, in general, for the use of the term in all "rights" issues. You are right that one might make the statement of fact about abortion rights in USA and Saudi Arabia, but only in discourse in which "right" is understood to mean "legal right". It is as common to use the term to mean "moral right". But commentators, whether "journalists" or otherwise, commonly conflate the two meanings, in some cases perhaps deliberately. So an abortion activist in Saudi Arabia might speak of "abortion rights" even though no such legal right exists — in an attempt to (as Alinskyist activists in the west are inclined to say) "shape the conversation". One uses the term "right" without qualification to create discourse in which a state not recognizing such a "right" is regarded as morally flawed.

      As this has degenerated into quibbling over semantics in public discourse I regard this exchange as a waste of comment space. I see JR Cash, in a comment here a couple of hours ago has made the point I have danced around much more poignantly than me: "Grounding your morality in what's legal and what's not at a particular time is downright scary." Well said.

  • Fred

    The CBC is not a news network.
    It's a parental club for people who need to be comforted.

  • nglisher

    Write on a piece of paper the words "you don't know what you are talking about". Get into a debate with a socialist or liberal and after a couple of minutes you can display the note to your debater and then say "how did I know you were going to say that". Works every time. Try it.

  • s_c_f

    People who whine about Fox news are like the wall-flowers at a party who stand in the corner and complain.

    Fox News is the most popular network for a reason. There is ample opportunity to replicate that popularity in Canada.

    People who whine about it, they're the ones with the personality issues.

    • Adrian A.

      Actually, some people may dislike Fox News for any number of reasons. As I've written in another post, I dislike Fox News for the tone of the debate, a criticism which I would actually direct at many television news outlets these days, including CNN much of the time. Suggesting that I am a "wall-flower" with a "personality issue" because I want balanced, mature and well-reasoned debate to replace the angry emotionalism pervading much of the media's debate (on the right AND the left) today sounds a bit like playground name-calling.

      Indeed, I agree with you that Fox News is popular for a reason, and that a similar network would likely succeed in Canada. However, I deeply regret the reason for that success — people today need their news to entertain them with hyperbole and vitriol.

      Where are the people in today's media who speak with balance? Those who might speak positively about one aspect of a politician's policies, while critiquing other aspects. There was good and bad to the Bush administration, there is good and bad to the Obama administration. My "personality issue" with Fox (and NOT JUST Fox!!) is the amount of reporting these days that makes issues black and white, with so few individuals acknowledging the range of grey subtleties underlying complex political questions.

      Sorry to single you out, s_c_f, you're not the only one who said something similar, but I just had to take a minute to stand up for us "wallflowers" in the corner… we're not all ragging on Fox because we're radical leftists… some of us just want to get back to the days when people on air would let one another complete their sentences.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/DonSharpe DonSharpe

    Great summary of how the left operates! Well Done! I'd say more, but it's almost time for Megyn Kelly on 'America Live'. . . ….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    One thing that I find very striking about Newman's comments is how little he grasps the low regard many of us have for the CBC. Were I in his shoes, I would tread very carefully in criticizing another network (particularly one that may turn out to have conservative leanings), with the knowledge that many Canadians utterly despise the CBC and would go to great lengths to see it disbanded. I would be trying to make the CBC more objective and more deserving of the public's trust. I would certainly not want to perpetuate the impression, amongst those Canadians, that the CBC is biased and intolerant of opposing viewpoints, which is exactly what his statements in this case do.

    What on earth is he thinking??

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      He has a low regard for those who have a low regard for the CBC. It's all part of the culture war that Frank Graves was advocating. Newman is a soldier.

      • Orson Bean

        I think it's also a reflection of the bubble that Newman and his ilk live in. It's telling that it's Newman who shot his mouth off about this, because he's actually not one of the worst at the CBC in terms of obvious bias, there are several other way worse and way more consistent offenders than him. I've never had any particular issues with Newman until now.

        But he lives in the same bubble as the rest of them: overwhelmingly Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-centric, overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Trudeaupian vision of Canada, inclined to look down their noses at Alberta, reflexively anti-American, etc. etc.

  • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

    I think what Steyn meant was that when you have these massive social programs combined with other glops and handouts, foreign policy/war/security matters become mere distraction, and resources are drained to pull away from those issues, making them far more likely overall. In Europe we see the hypocrisy of people crowing about their wonderful (albeit increasingly unaffordable given the sour demographics of few babies to make up for the tax shortfalls to come–unless you just tax the living hell out of everyone at 90%) social programs and lavish spending on mandated vacations, sumptous government employee pension plans, and socialized med packs. Sounds great until the admission must be made that for the last 6 decades or so, Europe could defer a sizable portion of otherwise expensive defense apparatis spending to the US, which carried the lion's share of garrisoning it's outposts that stretched from Asia (Japan and South Korea, and more) to of course all of Western Europe.

  • Wakefield Tolbert

    Social Democracy in Europe is to a large extent therefore undergirded and defended by the American captialist pig, running dog taxpayer's checkbook. This allowed the Eurotypes to turn inward. As Charles Murray said, when life is about sleeping in, going to school until age 35, having one bambino at ageg 48, and then retiring with happy fun time at at 50, life is just an extended vacation. And when you're on extended vacation and the government coddles you almost literally from womb to tomb and caters to your every fancy and micromanages life with all manner of PC codes, edicts, and glop handouts, why the hell at that point would you care about foreign policy? Those become mere irritations that the Americans are left to primarily handle.

  • Wakefield Tolbert

    When it comes time for America to turn inward (and as Steyn pointed out, socialized medicine is the major bureacratic "tipping point" that makes this happen permanently) and we have to initiate the Euro-styled, job-killing devious VAT to make up for the impending shortfalls in health coverage down to mere garrisons on the White House lawn to guard the Prez and the rose garden, and when people are fat and satiated with "free" this and that pulled from the hides of the "rich"(people who have more than you)–why bother with anything else? Every issue henceforth becomes about "health and life" issues and domestic policy when that's the major sales pitch ongoing for years from politicians.

From Macleans