An Apple by any other name

Naming laws seek to shield children from their parents’ eccentricities

by Jane Switzer on Monday, July 12, 2010 3:47pm - 0 Comments

Historical, biblical, painstakingly unique or exceptionally common, first names are the great marker of identity. New parents need to look no further than the Internet for thousands of options, and some even enlist the help of naming consultants and numerologists to find the perfect moniker. For every thousand people in the world named Sarah or Michael, there’s an Apple, Pilot Inspektor or Sage Moonblood. But depending on where you live, your proposed name for your new baby could be illegal. Though North Americans are free to name their children almost anything—a New Jersey couple named their son Adolf Hitler in 2005—countries in Europe and Asia have enacted more stringent laws to protect children from their parents’ eccentric whims.

Germany: Children’s vornamen (first names) must be gender-specific, and are approved or rejected by the Standesamt, the office of vital statistics. Appealing a rejected name can be both time consuming and costly, and requires parents to think of a new name each time one is rejected. Because naming can be such a hassle, many parents opt for traditionally popular names such as Elisabeth or Alexander. Name changes are allowed in certain circumstances, such as marriage, clerical error or gender reassignment surgery. The name Matti was rejected for a baby boy because German officials deemed it too ambiguous.

Sweden: Sweden’s naming law was enacted in 1982, and was originally passed to prevent non-noble families from giving their children noble names. Elisabeth Hallin and Lasse Diding decided to name their son Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116, pronounced Albin, in 1991 to protest the country’s naming laws. Because they didn’t register their son’s name until his fifth birthday, Hallin and Diding were hit with a 5,000 kronor fine. They appealed the decision and tried to change their son’s name to A, also pronounced Albin, but the courts refused to accept the name and upheld the fine. Google, however, was deemed an acceptable middle name when Elias and Carol Kai named their son Oliver Google Kai in 2005. Michael and Karolina Tomaro locked themselves in a lengthy court battle for the right to name their daughter Metallica, after their favourite band. Baby Metallica was initially denied a passport, but the opposition dropped their case in 2007.

New Zealand: New Zealand’s laws leave a bit more room for interpretation, but registrar officials have been known to try to talk parents out of giving their children unusual names. Names cannot be offensive, unreasonably long, have inadequate justification or include or resemble an official title or rank. Although Sex Fruit, Fish and Chips and Adolf Hitler were rejected, there are people named Midnight Chardonnay, Number 16 Bus Shelter and Violence somewhere in New Zealand. Names also cannot begin with a number, much to the frustration of Pat and Sheena Wheaton, who wanted to name their son 4Real. Undeterred by the rejection of 4Real by the country’s registrar of births, deaths and marriages, the Wheatons opted for the name Superman instead. The couple said they still planned to call their son 4Real at home.

China: Chinese names are written with the family name first and the given name second, and babies are named based on the ability of computer scanners to read those names on national identification cards. Non-Chinese symbols and characters are not allowed, and, as of now, Chinese symbols that cannot be recognized on computers are not allowed. Wang @ was rejected as a baby name due to the inclusion of an unusual symbol. @ in Chinese is pronounced “ai-ta” and is similar to a phrase that means “love him.” Unofficial cultural naming taboos also exist that discourage people from naming their children after exalted people in China and neighbouring nations.

Denmark: Denmark might just have the strictest laws in Europe when it comes to naming. Parents can only choose from a list of 7,000 government-approved names—3,000 for boys, 4,000 for girls. If parents want to deviate from the official list, they have to get permission from their local parish, where names are registered. Alternative spellings of common names and gender-ambiguous names are most commonly appealed by parents hoping to make their children unique, but about 15 to 20 per cent of more than 1,000 names that are reviewed each year are rejected. Jakobp, Bebop, Ashleiy are examples of rejected names, but parents Greg Nagan and Trine Kammer had their daughter’s name Molli Malou approved in 2004 after having to write a letter to the Danish government explaining why they chose an uncommon spelling—they liked it.

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  • Jem

    I think that its good to have some restrictions on names. Children are not dolls. They are people who will have to go through life with what you give them. Seriously, what kind of respectable job will a child named Foxxy Mumu get? And who is going to trust a boy named Adolf Hitler? Just because you are"unique" ( to put it politley) individuals doesn't mean society will be as accepting. Some parents need to grow up!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

      But certainly that's their decision to make. The kid is their offspring. How would you feel if society was telling you how to raise your kid?

      • Guest

        Society does tell us how to raise our kids, that's what social mores is all about.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

          I guess needs to be noted that there is a difference between applying social pressures and threatening legal action.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

            I guess it needs to be noted as well that there is a difference between threatening legal action and just not allowing someone to do something stupid.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

            You're right, of course. But there's still a difference between applying social pressure and empowering bureaucrats with the authority to censor names based on arbitrary standards.

          • beta1

            Empowering bureaucrats is only deemed necessary because of the existence of a number of foolish people. Don't blame the government. Blame it on the people who makes it necessary to have rules like that.

            Also, the rules are not arbitrary, they have a number of requirements/criteria. It's not like if you apply from one registrar will you get a different outcome than if you had tried in a different one.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

            Clearly we have different ideas as to the role of the government in people's lives. In my view, this whole thing is unnecessary government intrusion. Too often people are more than willing to ask the government impose itself on ridiculously insignificant details of other's lives.

            Honestly, what's the worst that could happen if someone was given a stupid name?

          • Diane

            And y es, complete unnecessary government intrusion.

            There's too much BS about political correctness and this and that. Children learn what they live. If they live in a grass hut, tending to the family goats all day, and learn that hard work will put food on the table and everyone in their village shares in one another's good fortune, then they are raised as respectable human beings. Regardless of their name, dress, status, creed, religion.

            Our planet would do far greater good if we dropped all these walls and barriers that we cling to, that only work in seperating us by class, gender, race and religion, and called one another whatever the hell we want without having to be forced to conform to what the supposed majority (sheep) consider to be the "norm".

            Thank you

        • Diane

          Sorry but society DOESN'T tell us how to raise our kids. We use our COMMON SENSE as caring, feeling, logical, human beings. I think society in general, regardless where you live is too uptight with what is supposedly considered normal. No one can say what's normal, no one can say what is incorrect or correct when it comes to raising children, as long as they are raised with a general caring for their fellow man, woman and child, and do unto others as they would have done unto them.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      No, there should not be restrictions on names. The government doesn't need to protect a child from having a bad name, naming is a parents prerogative. Should we also force immigrants who have complicated names to change those to something more "Canadian"?

      And it's not like it's permanent. And do you really think that these little Adolf Hitler's are going to keep those names as adults? I think it's more likely that after a couple days in school the kid's going to come home and say they want to change their name because all the other kids hate them.

      The government can not cure stupidity.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

        I couldn't disagree more. So if the parents are abusing their children, because they themselves were abused as children, and think this is normal behaviour, the government should not intervene because it cannot cure ignorance?

        A bad name is a form of abuse. Children can be very very cruel, by the time the poor child becomes an adult, and is able to change the name, serious damage would have been made to the self esteem and what kind of opportunities in life this person will have.

        Some opportunities you never get back. The person may have reached adulthood without a single meaningful relationship. We're not talking names with weird spellings. There are parents that are sick enough to call their son Ben Dover. Seriously. If anything, I find that parents that try to name their children with ridiculous or offensive names should have their names instead changed to the name in question immediately at registrar officials.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

          A bad name is not a form of abuse. The other children being cruel, that might be abuse. Of course the kid also has the choice to adopt a nickname. There is simply no valid reason for the government to have any say in what a child's name is.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

            Why not given a "government acceptable name" to the child and have the child adopt his/her lovely parent's original chosen name as a nickname just at home and among friends if they wish?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

            Because you're way needlessly involves the government in having a list of "acceptable" names, and presumably a Department of Naming. This is quite literally cradle-to-grave Nanny-stateism at it's worst, in the hopes of maybe preventing a handful of children from being teased. Unnecessary government intrusion into the lives of individuals.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

            If it's just a handful that get affected by these restrictions I don't see how this is an intrusion.

            For instance, I would never call my son 4Real, Yahoo, Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116 and so on. So if I lived in any of these countries and had not read this article, I might never know that the government is intruding on anyone's life.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

            So as long as it's not you they're bothering, government screwing with peoples lives is just fine? Fair 'nuff. But I posit that the list of acceptable names would shrink over time, as people came up with more and more reasons to ban particular names. Eventually, they'd be assigning names based on geography and parents heritage that were deemed acceptable.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

            I find the parents are the ones screwing with someone else's lives, not the government.

            So I gather you're in favor of having no rules. Let's just allow people do whatever they feel it's acceptable. Good plan, let's see how long humanity would resist.

          • unger

            I think it is worth noting that some of these strange names were given to protest naming laws. Government intrusion sometime creates the behavior it seeks to control; some people are resistant to authority by nature, and will always seek to push the limits. Personally I find these novelty names ridiculous, but have no wish to formally discourage parents from giving them. A name says a lot about a person, sometimes it says their parents are fools.

          • ABarlow

            You're saying that if a parent named their child "The worst mistake of my life", that wouldn't be abusive? How about "Completely Worthless"? "Miserable Excuse for a Human Being"? "Rapist"? I can probably come up with worse, if you'd like, although some might not pass moderation.

            If you want to be libertarian about this, then if the parents name the child something that causes them hardship, the child should have the right to sue their parents for it later.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

            Assuming that the child was able to prove that the name caused them harm, that seems reasonable.

          • Diane

            But why would a name that's not common in western society and not supposedly a "christiane name" or something that society deems as normal be considered abuse?

            Parents who think outside the box usually raise their children outside the box and teach them to accept everyone as equals, regardless of religion, race, creed, colour and name.

            Do unto others as you would have done unto you. I would hate to have to go around and explain my name to people who are too ignorant to shut the hell up and just accept me, the person, not the name !!!!

            Sheep sheep sheep sheep. It makes me a little ill to be quite honest.

            And why would a child sue the parents??? God Americans are so quick to sue. Sue sue sue, sue everybody !

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

            I agree. One would hope that if parents chose to name their child something contrary to societal norms, that they would also instill a sense of pride in the name that would counter the inevitable mockery that would occur.

    • Matthew

      We all need a license to drive a car – but no license required to have (and name) a child.
      We need more government involved in raising children…not less!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

        That's easy to say until the government mandates something you disagree with.

        • Matthew

          Our government has a mandate? What in the world would it be?

  • Lai

    I think parents can name their children whatever they please because they like the names or like the spelling. But I think people who name their children interesting things need to think about the futur for their children. If you name you child Blahbloobleebla how easy will it be for this child to make friends at school or get a job? Or to be taken seriously during a crisis? Parents need to cut thier kids some slack. The kid will live with this name for the rest of their lives (unless they choose to change it when they reach adulthood) so would it be fair to the child to name it .com (or dotcom) just because you or your partner like this name? Some people are unique when naming their babies. But will other people be as accepting? Think about what your child will have to go through in life just because you "liked" the name you chose for them.

  • Joy

    I agree there should be some restrictions. I know someone who named her kids Leather and Suede. I know a a couple kids named Brin, one has a sibling named Quin the other Finn. Adolf , Hitler,Stalin Osama should all be banned.

    • Stan

      Hey! My family name is Brin! But I wouldn't want a kid to have it for a first name…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MistHarbinger MistHarbinger

        What's wrong with Brin, or Bryn as it's sometimes spelled? My brother happens to be quite fond of his name.

    • Susan

      As a teacher, I have come across a variety of interesting names throughout the years. I have actually taught an Osama (and an Uday, a Caesar, …). In speaking with Osama's parents, it was very difficult for them to decide whether or not to change their son's name (they suggested Westernizing it to Sam). Ultimately, they left it as Osama — which according to them, in Iraqi means "lion". Names have important historical and personal meaning for people and in this case, I believe they did the right thing. It was not their fault that such a revered name had been blemished by the malicious actions of a confessed murderer. You never know, perhaps this young Osama will one day redeem the name …

      • Gilly

        That is true, being named before the fact might not be a big deal but to go and name your child Adolf or Osama after the fact and then live in the countries where these names are shone in a negative light is just asking for trouble.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      No, banning names because certain people have done bad things is a terrible idea. I live in a very German community, and there are still lots of Adolfs out there. Now, being that I'm not a moron, I don't assume them to be Nazi's. I mean, is nobody to name their children Tim anymore because Timothy McVeigh blew up a building? Or is there a certain # of people you have to kill before your name should be banned? What should that # be? Are there certain situations where killing is justified (ie. war)?

      This is the problem with banning things, it just becomes so damn arbitrary, and in the end, pointless.

  • Toby

    It's not incredibly difficult to change your own name. I've done it. So why don't these parents mess with their own names and screw themselves over instead of messing with these defenseless newborns?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      Sensible idea!

    • Michele

      You hit the nail on the head. I totally agree.

  • joe

    My name is Joe. The name is so common that recemtly I had to complain about my neighbour (who's name is Joe) to the head of the condo board (also named Joe). Imagine that phone conversation: "Hello Joe? This is Joe. I'd like to complain about my neighbour Joe."

    • diji

      Funny!

    • Susan

      Reminds me of Kids in the Hall … "These are the Dave's I know". We have at least 5 on our street — one being my husband. At the annual street party we always take a picture of "The Daves".

    • http://www.nearlynewborn.com Peter (not Bill!)

      My brother is Bill, our father is Bill, my mother's only brother is Bill, and THEIR father is Bill…believe me, my mother fought tooth and nail not to name my brother that but, in the late 50's and early 60's, her vote didn't count for much.
      Family reunions are confusing.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/FACLC FACLC

      Do you work in a button factory?

  • steve

    tobad there were not some laws in place when poor old Englbert Humperdink was born.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/philcou philcou

      Not even his real name! (unless you're talking about the German classical composer!)

    • Linda

      That's his stage name not his real name!

      • http://andiegoddessofpickles.blogspot.com andreah

        If I heard correctly, his real name is Jerry Dorsey.

    • Guest: Tim

      Actually , Englbert Humperdinck is what he renamed himself. He was born Arnold George Dorsey

    • Sharon

      Per Wikipedia: Engelbert Humperdinck (born Arnold George Dorsey, May 2, 1936) is a popular music singer who became famous internationally during the 1960s and 1970s, after adopting the name of the famous German opera composer Engelbert Humperdinck as his own stage name.

  • SocialLiberal

    That's terrible!

    Lai and Joy should be ashamed of themselves. Especially Lai. What if your name wasn't on the list?

    I guess you two haven't heard of nick names. People have terrible names all the time, I went to school with a Gargamel! We called him Bubby. People will call someone something easier if it's required, and they can take that nickname with them through life or change their name legally (less than $100 if I remember correctly).

    People should seriously lay off other parents and allow them to raise their children. We live in a country where people are having less and less children, we should be encouraging not discouraging people from having them.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      Very good points all. I went to school with a kid whos name was Somekid, he was from Laos. We all (including him) chuckled about it, but it really wasn't that big a deal.

      Also, my brother has a weird name, and not once in my life have I ever heard anybody call him by that name. He's got a nickname that is all he's called by.

  • Monika

    @ SocialLiberal – no one is discouraging people from having children. They're discouraging them from naming them something ridiculous and having them consider the impact on a child's development. Kids can make fun of people with any kind of name, but think of how they'll go to town on some regular kid named Pilot Inspektor. The kind of taunting that goes on in young peoples lives is very taxing and can be carried on until adulthood….and all for the whim of parents? Not a responsible trade-off.

    • Monika

      So, some restrictions are fine.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      Are you really suggesting kids would make fun of someone named Pilot? I think it's a pretty cool name actually.

  • Joanne

    I wish there were more rules on names. Some people are just morons when it comes to naming their child…at our school we have a William Nelson (willie nelson) poor kid!

    • Gia

      Seriously> Poor you! For being so narrow minded. No one in young Willie's age group will even know who Willie Nelson was. Chill lady. It's a name.

      • Melly

        you are so exactly right, besides the fact that Willie Nelson is an amazing artist. Can no one with the last name Nelson be named William, just because there was once a famous singer with the same name? Ridiculous!

  • Guest

    lol…4real? some people should be nutered

  • Tyler

    there need to be some limits. sure, the kid can change their name when they are old enough to do so… but they have to go through childhood with that name and kids are cruel.

    Frank Zappa name one of his sons Dweezil (or tried but the hospital wouldn't let him so he used it as a nickname). When Dweezil found out at age 5 that Dweezil was not his legal name, he asked his parent to have it changed to this and the Zappa's went to court and won.

    The Zappa's also have a daughter named Moon Unit…. if it were anyone else these kids would have been outcasts, but the Zappa's home schooled their kids.

    Maybe they aren't the best example of how badly a childs life can be impacted by a strange name, since they all grew up to have promising careers in the entertainment industry as musicians and actors and such, but imagine if those names were given by someone who wasn't wealthy and sent those kids to a public school.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      "but imagine if those names were given by someone who wasn't wealthy and sent those kids to a public school"

      Do you think that every immigrant kid with a "strange" name grows up traumatized? Dealing with someone who makes fun of your name is no different than dealing with someone who makes fun of your ratty clothes, scrappy hair, bad teeth, shitty skin, or whatever. Dealing with it is part of growing up and becoming a big boy. I do think lots of parents are idiots for the names they come up with, but there's no need to start banning things right away.

    • Jen

      Moon and Dweezil would be accepted just fine by any child with parents who are accepting and loving and non-judgemental of all people. Who cares what the ignornat people think.

  • wade

    In high School I had a friend Tom Lear whose sister Chrystal's middle name was Chanda. Put em together.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      And does Chrystal live a happy fulfilling life, or is she a social outcast as many of the "ban everything" crowd here would believe?

    • Maria

      I am a parent too. I'd like my kids to be proud of their names when they grow up. Your name will be your trademark for the rest of your life. Whether you decide to change it later on or not. Still people will remember you with the first. I work in a school (not a teacher), I've seen students from different backgrounds with names that are unique. I cannot help to smile sometimes when I see names like Rose Boobi with a last name (not to mention it exactly) Behind or Raine Drupdead or Assingh Butt. A woman from my nationality named Baby Girl Danswel. It's so funny to hear her grandkids calling her grama b-girl. And I'm not kidding. This is serious.
      Parents should realize the impact of their simple decision on their child. Their children will grow and live on their own someday. I am only talking about names here and I don't question anybody on how they raise their children.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

        "I don't question anybody on how they raise their children." but you feel it's fine to question the very moniker the child will grow up with? Sounds to me like your questioning how they raise their children.

  • LeAnn

    Names should not be jokes. Being a kid and trying to make it through school can be difficult enough without getting teased for something. At the same time, it must be difficult to be one of three Susan's in a classroom. We tried to keep all our kids names simple and spelled normally. They may encounter others with the same name, but will not likely be teased for their names or want to change them when they grow up.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      Nobody can make it through school without being teased! Are you suggesting the government ban fat kids, skinny kids, short kids, tall kids, smelly kids, etc? My goodness, we'd have a nation of people who would be mentally incapable of receiving even the smallest criticism!

    • Melly

      I have a common name, spelled simple, It's Melanie. You couldnt even begin to imagine what names kids teased me with. Who would have thought you could get watermelon melon head out of that. Kids are creative, they will tease whomever they please, weither its a simply normal name or not!

  • Michael

    Remind me of the story of the father who named his first son "Winner" and his second son "lLser"

    … surprising that Loser went on to become a police officer (going by his middle name) and Winner ended up in jail.

    • Michael

      yikes typos "Reminds" & "Loser" lol @ "lLser"

  • Donovan

    I went to school with a guy named Richard Head. He was named after his father and grandfather. Some of the kids would call him Dick but they would only do it once. I know a man named Osama – very nice guy – its a common name in some countries. The thing with language is that it changes. In ten years Bob might have a derogatory meaning or there might be an evil dictator named Steven. I think people need to think about the reprecusions on their kids, but we shouldn't be regulating free speach either.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      First they come for the given names, then they'll be after our nicknames!

      • Mel

        Holy shit guy! Ya think we've heard enough from you already?

    • ehh

      I was with you until you misspelled speech…

  • cookie monster

    there was this on girl i know her name was freeda fondule like that is so immature

  • Beth

    ok, so how about the people who give their kids the same first name as last name? Ex: Pete Peters

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      My Junior High Gym teachers name was actually Pete Peters! He's a great guy!

    • tgilbert

      I once had a teacher named William Williams – we called him Bill squared….

  • Nicole

    There was a Genuine Ho at my high school and I also knew a Patty Cates. :(

  • Alex McEddon

    You think these guys are bad? In the xenophobic country of Greece, they only allow you to choose from a list of names that are approved by the Greek chuch/government (as they are very closely intertwined), which are considered 'pure Greek Christian names'. Anyone not wanting one of those names will either not be allowed to have their child baptised or registered, and then of course you can get in even more trouble. That also goes for those who are not even Christians.

    This is supposed to work in theory, as the official Greek government stance is that there are NO 'minorities' living in Greece, the ONLY country in the world that supposedly has a 0% minority rate, and is 100% 'ethnically pure'. Even though hundreds of thousands of Macedonians, Turks, Albanians and other minorities live there, the government refuses to recognise them and give them rights, so they remain persecuted from birth.

    But as the Greeks see it, if every single citizen in the country is 'pure Greek' anyway, then nobody should have a problem, right? Unfortunately for all those that are not Greek, it's a huge problem.

    • Athenian Gal

      I was born in Greece and what you claim is simply not true. What you're referring to is the military dictatorship of 1968-73, which promoted a nationalistic, Christian identity. Needless to say, Christian/Biblical names are often of Hebrew decent, and not Greek at all. Greek names would be the ones used by the ancient Greeks, prior to Christianity. So what on earth are 'pure Greek Christian names'?

      I also question where you get your statistics from ('0% minority rate', etc.) – are these from some reputable source, or do you just have a hate on for Greece? I met a lot of Albanians, Filipinos, Nigerians, Iraqis and Afghans that live in Greece as I used to volunteer at the Greek Council for Refugees in Athens. I have not heard of any of them complaining about having to change their name, not being recognized or persecuted, or what-not. In fact, many of them own successful businesses and prosper, their children go to school, and they enjoy their lives.

      I don't think Greece is any more or less xenophobic than any other country…I had my name changed by Immigration Canada when I moved here as a child – is that any better?

      • Athenian Gal

        Apologies, no idea why is shows up twice…

  • DuchessRN

    When I worked in a clerical setting and had to file cards alphabetized in cabinets (It's all computerized now) there were a family of GAINs . They named their first a 'normal A. ' name, their second child Yetta, their third Watta , their fourth (and presumably last) Nevara. Those parents sent out a 'loud' message that their children weren't cherished, even as far as making it sound like the whole thing was a joke and a chore. Sad.

  • cza

    Sigh! Don't these people who name their kids these strange names realize they come accross as trash? They should tattoo them as well–tattoos are so original these days (sarcasm absolutely intended)!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

      Dude, are you saying that getting barbed-wire tattooed on my bicep wasn't original?! Damn!

  • Mac

    I went to school with a guy named Micheal Hunt. Named after his dad. Everyone called him by Mike Hunt. Both words, everytime. I don't know what his parents were thinking. You would expect the dad had heard it enough times so he wouldn't subject his son to the same thing.

    Apparently, this name is part of a joke in the movie Porky's which is older than Mike Hunt Jr. so even if the dad didn't catch on in his own life you would think he would have seen this movie and reconsidered the wisdom of hitching his kid with that name.

    My pet peeve is people naming their kids after cars. Porche, Mercedes, Sierra, Sienna, Montana blah blah blah.

    Don't even get me started on Jaime Oliver's idiotic name choices…

    • Kelvin

      *removes face from palms* Mercedes is a car brand named after a girl.

      • Mac

        Maybe so but do you think the majority of people who name their daughters Mercedes, Mersadez, Mercediez et cetera are naming them after a luxury car or their great grandmothers? The few people I know who did this named them after the car.
        And yes, I realize the people choosing the name Montana are not naming them after the mini-van

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sourstud sourstud

    Parents should be able to (and in Canada thankfully still are) name their children whatever the hell they want. At the same time, parents shouldn't be idiots. At no point should we ever limit what an individual can be named, it's xenophobic and has no place in a free society.

    • trixster

      thats the problem though-people are idiots-they continue to smoke in cars with their children, etc. how to determine who is ian idiot? how do you legislate idiosy????

  • V J D

    One could do as my parents did – listen to the priest! They wanted to name me after a great-grandfather, John, but the priest said "No, he was born on St. Vincent's day, and that's what you'll name him". He gave them the option of using John as a middle name. Given that our surname begins with D, this gave me the initials of VD. Never been too keen on those initials – nor, once I could think for myself, on the Church !

    • ali0105

      Sorry to hear about the initials. Kids can be mean. I thought of all those thigns before naming my daugther, Alivia. Something easy and not to many ways of twisting that name up. Hopefully.

  • J H G

    You should be able to name your kid whatever you want within reason. Like if you're gonna give your kid a joke name you shouldn't even be a parent at all. That's just terrible. How could you put your kid through that!?!? some people are just really stupid..

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

      Like if you're gonna give your kid a joke name you shouldn't even be a parent at all.

      Agreed. If you try to name your kid something that falls outside of the traditional Anglo-saxon / Biblical naming convention, your parenting rights should be terminated immediately. No right of appeal either. Get it right the first time stupid!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

        You do realize the poster said a joke name, right? Not "something that falls outside of the traditional Anglo-saxon / Biblical naming convention".

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

          Ah, I see. So the requirement is not so much that it fall within what society deems to be a 'normal' name. Rather, naming authorization should be conditional upon earnestness.

          Question: How would we measure earnestness?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/beta1 beta1

            Well if the name request is truly earnest, then the new parents would in fact be thankful if someone – be a friend or a registrar official, informed them of the potential ridicule their child would suffer in the future.

            If the parents are informed of the likelihood, even if small, that their child would suffer alienation, ridicule or hardship due to his/her name and decides to go ahead with the chosen name, is in itself a measure of earnestness.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/RunningGag RunningGag

            Ah, but here you are talking about applying social pressure. There is a huge difference between asking someone if they are sure, and government regulated names.

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