Canada is a French country

COYNE: Stephen Harper has been playing up the province’s role in Canadian history

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, July 19, 2010 11:05am - 0 Comments

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The most striking passage in David Johnston’s speech on being named Canada’s next governor general, apart from the reference to the Queen as “our head of state” (there seemed to be some doubt on his predecessor’s part), was his lengthy encomium to Samuel de Champlain, “Canada’s first governor.” In case anyone did not catch his drift, he ended by invoking the example of his predecessors, “from Samuel de Champlain to Michaëlle Jean.”

But wait a minute. Johnston is, as he says, the representative of the Queen of Canada, Elizabeth II, great-great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom, granddaughter of George III, the first monarch to rule over what was then called British North America. Champlain served a different king, from an altogether different royal house: Louis XIII of France.

Yet Johnston seemed to be saying the two dynasties, British and French, were one, part of the same story. Just as he is the 71st in a line of governors going back to Champlain, so Elizabeth is not the sixth monarch to reign over Canada (since Confederation), or even the ninth (since the British Conquest), but the 18th, going back to Francis I, the king in whose name Jacques Cartier first landed in Canada in 1534.

I don’t know whether Johnston wrote his own speech, or whether someone in the Prime Minister’s Office wrote it for him. But it is certainly very much in keeping with a rhetorical strategy Stephen Harper has been deploying for some time: that is of speaking of Canada as if it were, at least in part, a French country. (Which, of course, it is.) He’s reaching back to a French heritage that predates Confederation, predates the Conquest, emphasizing that our roots were first planted in the soil of New France.

Just days before, at the Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill, the Prime Minister had spoken glowingly of “the steadfast determination and continental ambition of our French pioneers, who were the first to call themselves ‘Canadians.’ ” At other times he has spoken of Canada as having been “born in French,” of French as “Canada’s first language,” and, most famously, of Quebec City as “Canada’s first city,” its founding in 1608 as marking “the founding of the Canadian state.”

Harper is not the first to have taken this line—the “Champlain as first governor” theme seems to have been inspired by a portrait identifying him as such in Rideau Hall—but I can’t recall any prime minister placing such heavy emphasis, deliberate and repeated, on it. While the sentiment may seen anodyne, moreover, the implications are radical.

For 50 years we have been debating whether Quebec would remain a part of Canada. Harper’s formulation turns this on its head: Canada is, in a sense, a part of Quebec. By fusing Quebec’s history with Canada’s, both emanations of the same French colonial experience, it makes pride in Quebec coterminous with pride in Canada. Quebecers could no more reject Canada, on this reading, than they could their own French heritage: the one grew out of the other.

This is not a repudiation of Quebec nationalism so much as a subversion of it. Nationalist mythology has long emphasized the Conquest as the decisive break point in Canadian history, the trauma from which French-speaking Quebecers have never fully recovered, and never will unless “liberated” by secession. The psychiatrist and Péquiste minister Camille Laurin used to talk about Quebec as if it were quite literally a patient on his couch.

The nationalists’ conquêtisme, of course, was but a mirror to that of an earlier tradition of Anglo triumphalists, who also emphasized the Conquest (“Wolfe the dauntless hero came”) as the locus generis of the British ascendancy. As, in their own way, did a later generation of Canadian nationalists, for whom the British connection was a yoke to be thrown off, together with such colonial “relics” as the Crown, not merely to mollify Quebec but for the sake of our own psychological maturation as a people. You still hear a lot of that.

But if the history of Canada is an unbroken chain of sovereignty, Francis to Elizabeth, Champlain to Johnston; if what is important about it is not the change from French to British rule but the continuity between them—if we are not a British monarchy, or even a French monarchy and then a British one, but simply a monarchy, throughout—then the Conquest is not the pivotal event in our history: it is just an event. The effect, in turn, is to deracinate the British inheritance. What is valuable is the inheritance—Crown, Parliament, the common law, the Constitution—not its Britishness.

If that sounds like a lot to load onto a few words, it certainly didn’t strike Quebec nationalists that way. When Harper first started talking about Quebec City as the birthplace of Canada, around the time of the 400th anniversary, the nationalists were fairly purple with rage, accusing him in the most acrid terms of rewriting history for political ends.

But then, they should know. The nationalist project, notably in the use of the neologism “Québécois” in place of “French-Canadian,” was a conscious attempt to shunt the history of Quebec off onto a siding, separate and apart from the history of Canada, whose logical terminus was a separate Quebec. The logic of Harper’s language is to wrench it back on to the same track as the rest of us: while Champlain could hardly have known he was founding Canada, it is certainly true that the history of present-day Canada leads inexorably back to him.

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  • Larry Hudon

    Agree with Harper's approach. Never understood why Canadien was not better celebrated in Quebec. Canadiens were quite proudly distinct from their French cousins by the 2nd generation in North America.

    • MBToday

      Exactly!

  • http://hudsonvillage.blog.com Jeff Casselman

    While this is a worthwhile sentiment, I don't see this flying among the french population. What Mr. Harper and Mr.Johnston don't seem to realize is that Quebec sovereignty is no longer an issue about restoring New France; but one of simply opting out of Canada, as Quebec (optically, and otherwise) too often finds itself at odds with it.

    Another thing to remember, that up until very recent history the ruling class in Quebec were largely Anglo. While this changed after the election of Rene Levesque and the subsequent exodus of much business in the ensuing referendums – But the memory of this will always be perceived by many as a diktat of anglophone Canada, and Bil 101 is a direct child of that inherent rebellion against English Canada; French Quebec's perceived polar opposite.

  • http://tigeronpolitics.wordpress.com Ben (The Tiger)

    Coyne — Have you ever seen a coffee-table history book put out in the late 1970s as a joint venture between Reader's Digest Canada and the Canadian Automobile Association? It was called "Heritage of Canada", and over a few hundred pages of beautiful photos and prints, and lively chapters and extra articles, told the very story of Canadian history that it looks like this government is now trying to retell.

    A man named Hugh Durnford edited it, a man named Jacques Lavigne designed it, and Pierre Berton and H.M. MacDougall cowrote the foreword as vice chair and chair of Heritage Canada. It runs from a short chapter on the Vikings to the end of the First World War, with an epilogue about Canada as an independent nation — "The Canadian Way, Something to Cherish".

    With that book in mind, I would argue that this history is a restoration of that interpretation — a pushback against the nationalists…

  • http://farnwide.blogspot.com/ Steve v

    "accusing him in the most acrid terms of rewriting history for political ends."

    Sort of like how Quebec intellectuals LITERALLY engaged in revisionist history during the Quiet Revolution, ensuring future generations would learn of economic victimization at the hands of the British, rather than an honest account of circumstance.

    • MBToday

      Very little history is not history is not revisionist especially the 'official version' Take a look the history of Manitoba. A manual written in the 1920 would draw a portrait that the Wossely expedition in 1870 was a grand affair and that it imposed order after a 'wild' rebellion led by the murderous Louis Riel . Since then historians have discovered that the Red River colony was more disorderly once Wossely 'soldiers' were in charge than when Louis Riel and his Metis council ran the show.

  • http://twitter.com/ishmaeldaro @ishmaeldaro

    This is indeed a big shift of the Quebec-Canada narrative. I certainly can't imagine a Canada without Quebec, and it seems Harper and Johnston want to make people view the opposite, a Quebec without Canada, as equally impossible.

    Thanks for an interesting read.

  • http://twitter.com/hellohellomike @hellohellomike

    Not only is this really interesting to think about, but it makes me think that my idea of picking history as my major when I go back and finally get a degree is the right one. Historiography can really have an impact on modern thought!

    I hope, whichever office the speech came from, that we're able to have an intelligent debate about all of this. It seems like a much more potent maturation for the country to accept the full stretch of history from 1534 (that's 476 years!) than to pretend like we were born fully-formed from the forehead of North America in 1867. And, to me, it feels like it deals with the "yoke" problem much more neatly — if we acknowledge a much longer and continuous heritage, then maybe we can put aside the adolescent urge to throw away established tradition.

  • Lord Kitchener's Own

    Je me souviens que né sous le lys, je croîs sous la rose.

    • Andre

      I was going to quote the exact same thing.

      I personally vouch for the "unbroken chain of sovereignty" postulation as it is the fairer choice. However, there are still English speaking Canadians who think Canada's history starts under British rule, so it's only fair to have Quebec sovereignists to balance the ignorance.

  • Joseph Couture

    Interesting read.
    I used to be a French Canadian now it seems that I am a Québecois. I was born in St-Antoine de Pont-Briand now my Birth Certificate states that I was born in Leeds East. I left Québec in 1954 when I joined the RCAF and now live in Ontario. However, I am a Canadian and very proud of that. Because of the Bill 101 I can't really live in Québec because my wife does not speak French and would be uncomfortable living in Québec. I am very happy to live in Ontario. It seem to me that Ontario is Canada because we never hear of Ontario trying to separate Itself form Canada. Although the People of Québec were the first to call themselves Canadiens, I don't see what their problem is.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/kenttellis kenttellis

      The problem is that the Quebecois suffer from an inferiority complex a mile high. With such a complex it is nigh impossible to cure it. They just cannot be whom they should be, so the situation become worse.

    • MBToday

      The 'Problem' is too many Anglophones have called themselves 'Canadians' without acknowledging that the 'Canadiens' came first.

  • hosertohoosier

    Where do native Canadians fit, exactly, in a deux nations narrative?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/andrewcoyne Andrew Coyne

      Just so we're clear: what i'm describing here is the very opposite of "deux nations." it's a single continuous national narrative.

      • Ryan

        Do you think this reconciles with the thesis of John Raulston Saul's "A Fair Country" – that Canada is more native Canadian in its disposition, and less European? I realize your point and his aim at different elements of Canada, but I see similarities in seeing Canada's historiography as an amalgam of its three founding cultures and not a pastiche.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Babbler Babbler

          But is that really the case?

          If you take a pan-American prospective, then Canada comes out a petty much one of the continent's more European nations in both demographics and culture. We're certainly not Mexico or Paraguay, that's for sure.

      • Loraine Lamontagne

        Et la nation québécoise?

        A Franco-Ontarian, I am now being called a Québécoise because of my accent and my name. We are told that we know who we are. Well, Canadienne, as far as I am concerned – and I would respond Canadienne in English too.

        • PCJ

          At least you get that… I'm franco-Ontarienne purelaine and was always told (by my Québécoise teachers) that I was too "Anglaise" to call myself a francophone.

          I'm with you, though. I'm Canadienne through and through, who just happens to have French as a mother tongue.

          • Andre

            Did you, by chance, attend la Cité Collégiale?

            Despite teaching in an Ontario college, the Quebecois teachers were desperately brutal to Ontarian students.

          • RagingRanter

            My girlfriend went there – she's franco-onterienne, and she hated the teachers there for that exact reason. They arogantly dismissed much of the idioms and word usage of Ontario students as slang, yet often spoke in the most egregious Quebecois slang themselves, to the point where she sometimes wasn't sure what they were saying.

          • PCJ

            I always found it hilarious that they would call me "l'anglaise" and yet they were most guilty of using anglicisms.

            I know that when we are not being sloppy, here in Ontario we are more sensitive to words being borrowed from the English and so make an effort to use the "proper" French word: stationnement instead of parking, rôties instead of toasts, magasinage instead of shopping, arrêter instead of stopper… all of these instances I've heard come from the mouths of my intense Québécoise teachers in the same breath that they would accuse me of being too English…. say what?

          • RagingRanter

            Not to mention that most brutal anglicism 'char' (car), instead of 'auto' or 'voiture', used on both sides of the river here in the NCR. :)

            In Gatineau in particular, it seems they can take any English verb, add an 'er', then conjugate it accordingly. You've already mentioned 'shopper'. I hear 'chiller' (chill or chilling) and 'booker' (to book or to reserve), and their various conjugated forms, all the time. And that's the DJs on the radio, who speak French for a living!!!

            Mind you, the English-speaking rural Manitoba community where I grew up managed to butcher the English language in equally spectacular fahsion. 'Threshing' is pronounced 'trashing', swathing is 'swatting', garage is 'gradge', and on it goes. I still catch myself on the 'gradge' sometimes.

          • Andre

            My wife was the one who went to Cité. She studied architecture but her Quebecois teach focused mostly on her french, good or bad. The last straw was when she was docted a point on a Building Code exam on a completely irrelevant but grammatically correct word, with the correction being an anglicism.

            I see subtle differences in syntax and sentence structure and that's where I think quebecers give themselves the right to correct us. Whenever I'm being told I sound english I simply say I'm 75% "bleuet".

          • PCJ

            No, I grew up in Northern Ontario… a small town maybe 30kms away from the border. Couples lived in the little hamlets on the border, often with one working in Ontario and the other working in Québec.

      • hosertohoosier

        I realized that after I posted the comment. I guess the issue is where natives fit into a narrative of an unbroken chain of sovereignty.

        • Andre

          Or how the Governor General lost its administrative status from 1665 to 1760.

    • bonneau

      And I'm from le Manitoba, and very content as a franco-manitobain / canadien / canadien-français. I am not québécois since it is not my place of origin although I did reside in that province for fifteen years. En toué cas….

  • Tom Shanahan

    The first language of Canada was neither French nor English…it was an aboriginal language. French was the first EUROPEAN language spoken in Canada. The word " Kanata ", which became " Canada ", was first heard by French ears. What a rich heritage we all share. Vive le Canada !
    Tom Shanahan
    Pickering, ON.

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      My understanding is that the first group to be called Canadiens were those who lived in an area called Canada, on the North shore of the river also called Canada (St.Lawrence). Canada was part of New France, as was Acadia, Louisianna, etc…

    • ColdStanding

      OK, so what. The point that David Johnston was making in his speech is that he is the latest in a continum of governorship that stretches back to Samuel de Champlain. The fact of language change and filialty to a specific sovergin is being de-emphasized.

      Let's stretch it out some more… a major constancy in Canadian history is the governorship.

  • moderateGuy

    "Where do native Canadians fit…", well it seems that everyone born in Canada (as well as those naturalized to it) is part of the "from-de-Champlain" continuum, n'cest-pa?

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/tigerinexile Ben (The Tiger)

    As the scuttlers of Meech Lake?

    Actually, this:
    The folks who got swindled.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/amherstvw amherstvw

    Our anglo leaders often have the annoying habit of looking elsewhere for our national "validation". Before, they looked to Britain, today they get most of their "ideas" and manly confidence-building imperial wars from the US. Many franco-Canadians can't see the difference between the culture of a Torontonian and that of most Americans. Newfoundlanders and northerners, like franco-Canadians, are distinctly different … for now. They'll never get into the NYT !

    It would be nice if more Canadian leaders spent their time actually studying Canadian history … that's how we got here and that's who we are. Instead they obtain their "wise historical insights" from speechwriters because history is boring bunk … well, except for hockey stories.

    As long as we can make an easy buck by throwing something into the back of a truck, or into a pipeline, and sell it to other English speakers to the south … let's not challenge ourselves too much with book learnin' or foreign languages like French … Eh?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/chrimartel chrimartel

      nice irony at the end amherstvw… loved it

  • Samoset II

    I think because somebody could do nothing more, then sail up the St Lawrence, hear the word sounding like Kanada, surviving because of the Indians, having no other accomplishment to brag about, is a bit of a stretch, again. Separatists scaring you onto your knees again? Odd that Samoset spoke English and not french in 1621.

  • Greg Benton

    ''Crown, Parliament, the common law, the Constitution—not its Britishness"
    Good grief Mr. Coyne: If the Crown, Parliamentary Democracy, the Common Law and the basis of our written and unwritten Constitution are not British where do you suppose they came from? It was the British who created and built Canada as country into existence long after the battle of Quebec. The institutions you highlihgt are certainly not French or of any other culture as far as that goes. This ridiculous notion of a country existing before it existed is not history but a revisionist mythology built upon a neo-nationalist fiction to satisfy an ideology built upon ahistorical invention. It's a convoluted shell game that guts the facts of Canadian institutional reality and puts them into a politically-correct straightjacket. The first scholarly record of all this nonsense and its' origin can be found in the recent and timely publication by C.P. Chapman, Ph.D. 'The strange demise of British Canada' (McGill-Queen's University Press) Once the notion and fact of confederation as the founding of our country was eliminated, our CanLit & Political elite have applied their own version of things that permits the erasure of living memory and recorded history (at least the British part since 1867), and could logically go so far as to pretend that all things 'Canadian' began with the beaver up the St. Lawrence River. What disgraceful rubbish this is. No credible university student in Canadian history (if there remains any) would get away with this.

    • J.S. Robinson

      It is well-established that history can begin before official Confederation. By your rules, the histories of Germany and Italy both begin in the 19th century.

    • ColdStanding

      Albatross! Albatross!! Get your Albatross.

      You have a tough sell there, pal. Samuel de Champlain was the founding governor of Canada. That fact is indisputable. What is at play is an interpretation, which you clearly have invested a lot in (how are those student loans coming?), that might suddenly not be relevant.

      Ask yourself this: Just how much history is now between us and the British. I say quite a bit.
      Are we to carry about this British pumpkin you would have us wear so as to justify a script you so dearly bought?

      • Samoset II

        Champlain was NEVER governor of Canada. A great man and leader and could have made the country a french possession for ever but the high class french from the mommy country ruined that by their, as usual make believe sophistication. We will always be a part of the British, simply because it means prosperity, instead of french corruption. As if it all makes a difference since the french were defeated, again.

        • ColdStanding

          Righty-O. How's about you make a call on Mr. Johnston and up-braid him for us all. I'm sure they will let you pass right through the front gate. Make sure you find a lily to stomp on.

          I would also recommend to you relocating to Britian, if you are not already there. I hear there is even a new party that coincides with your kind of politics and things are looking positively wonderful over there these days. I will look you up on my next visit to France. You'll know it is me, because I will be the one pointing at you and laughing hysterically. Do me a favour and post the name of the village you get a job as idiot in.

        • Stephan

          To Samoset, you should get educated, New France indeed only had 60,000 inabitants whle your "English" colonies had over 1 mllion, yet New France was defended by the most Brave,Couragous, determined, fierce CANADIENS our history would know. It took almost 2 centuries for the British to take New France as the brave tough FRENCH defenders were always outnumbered 10-1. Yet we remain a tough determined race in Canada since 1608! France did sign the traety in 1763, but we are CANADIENS from our ancestors who came here in 1600s,1700s. we've been here for 400 years! We were brave & determined to fight to the last man, last drop of blood as we have in Canada's history, maybe you need to be reminded of that fact. Champlain was Governor, & more so the the Father of New France (CANADA) IN 1608, BESIDES JACQUES CARTIER who discovered New France in 1534, where were your English on Canadian soil in these centuries? not here, the French were here in this wilderness of a country that was too dangerous for your English! New France occuppied 3/4 of this continent from 1608-1763, you should learn about that some time, it might change your arrogant, ignorant inferior atitiude.

    • bonneau

      Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. The French and English are the founders of Canada for the reasons stated by Coyne. However we must not downplay the role of the First Nations in this grand venture, as the latter's contribution was huge. Had the Hurons, Algonquins and other affiliated tribes not had an alliance with the Franco-English 'coalition', we may have had a much more difficult time defeating the American Patriots, who if you recall were strongly backed by the Iroquois nation, Mohawks, etc. It appears there are still some wasps buzzing about, however it seems they have lost some of their bite.

      • Samoset II

        "The French and English are the founders of Canada " is a statement for little minds. The number of "others" who spent time on these shores and waters of America, named after the Amerigo Vespucci in 1507, would fill this page. And many other nationalities held power in the Acadia area besides French or English. Until the french, in the 1970's, took over in quebec, very little was ever heard from them. And now you bandwaggoners pile on with your readers digest knowledge, for pacification, in your fright. lol

    • Andre

      After the Treaty of Utrecht, New France began to prosper. Industries, such as fishing and farming, that had failed under Talon began to flourish. A "King’s Highway" (Chemin du Roy) was built between Montreal and Quebec to encourage faster trade. The shipping industry also flourished as new ports were built and old ones were upgraded. The number of colonists greatly increased, and, by 1720, Canada had become a self-sufficient colony with a population of 24,594 people. The Church, although now less powerful than it had originally been, controlled education and social welfare. These years of peace are often referred to by French Canadians as New France's "Golden Age".
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_france#Military_…

  • Samoset II

    Thanks Geg Benton. Why anyone would listen to a politition in Canada, about our History is beyond me. There was 1 million English in the new Country and only 60,000 french. Obviously the french would have faded without British accomidation. They certainly would get none frome france, considering by that time they would be already interbred with the Indians, repulsing France!

    • bonneau

      You're gross man.

      • Samoset II

        You want to discus french history, its gross everywhere, Read Capt Cook. Then I have another 100 books about them. The fact is all acadian and most french took Indian women, many times as slaves.

    • Andre

      Surely you mean this line: "New France now had over 70,000 inhabitants, a massive increase from earlier in the century, but the British American colonies greatly outnumbered them, with over one million people"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_france#Fall_and_…

      So tell me, how many of these British American Colonists made it to Upper Canada before 1776?

      Population in 1806

      Upper(English) Canada: 70,718 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Canada
      Lower(French) Canada: 250,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Canada

      • Samoset II

        Enough times to defeat the french at quebec city 4 times. If it had been Dutch, or Spanish, that would have been the end of the french. The french were very lucky, and still are. With everybody fawning over them, for what ever reason. You not read much either? At least read Champlain and Frontenac's chronicles. Its free.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/chrimartel chrimartel

          Yes Samoset II, I agree with you that I am lucky to be from French heritage. This is a great gift history gave me two cultural and political traditions.

          I am grateful from history and my fellow ancestors but I don't think I have to thank 21st century Candians from British decent for that :)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    "What is valuable is the inheritance—Crown, Parliament, the common law, the Constitution—not its Britishness."

    I certainly agree that the ideological founding principles of our country are more important than its culture, but I would disagree that the "Britishness" isn't a valuable part.

    Canadian culture is a unique combination of French, British, and North American Aboriginal. It is doubly rare because we have embraced all three rather than letting one dominate to the exclusion of the others. It's very awkward sometimes but in my opinion the final result is unutterably beautiful.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

      It is to history, what jazz is to music.

    • TedTylerEzro

      Surely it depends on where you are in Canada. There is a little bit of french culture in Saskatchewan for example, but Aboriginal, German and Ukranian are far more dominant. The only real English cultural sensibilities are from the fact that everyone was forced to speak the language.

      • Gaunilon

        Certainly there are pockets of almost every ethnicity in Canada, and those pockets preserve their own culture (and more power to them). But I wouldn't say that those are part of the overall Canadian identity the way French, British, and Aboriginal are. We are all culturally heirs to those three elements simply by virtue of being Canadian, whereas we are not all heirs to the various other cultures that have provided us with immigrants over the years.

  • Samoset II

    Yes just like Belgium and a host of growing pacificating fading states.
    Maurice Strong and his every body is equal crap has hit the wall.

  • Samoset II

    I also doubt that Harper is so uninformed to not know of the discovery of the west coast of Canada and the North west passage, and Eastern Canada, by Francis Drake claiming it for the King plus leaving some of the sailors on shore, after he lost a ship. This was in 1579. Why has our real history been suppressed, ignored or denied?

    • J.S. Robinson

      Eastern Canada joined onto a Confederation led by Central Canada. While it is true that the East (and British Columbia) have separate British origins, it was the Franco-British development in the centre that built the Canada we now live in.

      Of course the Aboriginals have an important role in that history, but Canada before the French and British was not Canada; Coyne is right to suggest that Canada's truest starting date is 1608, with the first permanent, royally assented settlement at Quebec.

      • Samoset II

        it was the Franco-British development in the centre that built the Canada we now live in.
        LOL, In a pigs —–. Some of you best get reading. No wonder this country in a mess. The french took over Quebec, after the Scots and others build the place. You will search hard to find something the french built!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/kenttellis kenttellis

    Canada is certainly not a French country no matter what Stephen Harper wants to erronously believe.

    Samuel de Champlain was the first governor of NEW FRANCE, which was conquered and surrendered to General Jeffrey Amherst of the British army at Montreal on September 8, 1760, that was the day NEW FRANCE ceased to exist.

    Canada, was wyether the Quebecois like it or not was created by the British, who 1783 signed the AngloAmerican Treaty of Versailles, which demarcated the borders diving Canada and the young Republic of the United States of AMERICA. Case closed.

    Tell Mr.Stephen Harper and his cronies to take some lessons in history before speaking out in public and showing his ignorance of Canadian history.

    • bonneau

      Yeah, but you forgot to mention that the French and Brits kind of teamed up together against the American Patriots.
      It was their 'alliance' that prevented Canada from becoming the 51st state.

      • Samoset II

        In fact, the french teamed up with the Americans, and the wabanaki against the british and the Iroquois. Don't bother with any more help!

        • bonneau

          The Canadiens did indeed fight alongside the Brits against the Americans. Reread your history books, you don't know what you're talking about.

          • Samoset II

            France's formal entry into the war meant that British naval superiority was now contested. The Franco-American alliance began poorly, however, with failed operations at Rhode Island in 1778 and Savannah, Georgia, in 1779. Part of the problem was that France and the United States had different military priorities: France hoped to capture British possessions in the West Indies before helping to secure American independence. While French financial assistance to the American war effort was already of critical importance, French military aid to the Americans would not show positive results until the arrival in July 1780 of a large force of soldiers led by the Comte de Rochambeau.

            lol, I have. Many times. In actuality, how could anyone determine whose side the French were on? I have found out. Their own. Remember that. Learn your real history, and cry.

          • Charles

            You are mixing up French Canadians and French from France. The French from France sided with the Americans, but the French Canadians sided with the British, in part because the Americans made it pretty clear that they would abolish French law in Canada, while the British would not (for the most part).

    • Andre

      "Canada was the name of the French colony that once stretched along the St. Lawrence River; the other colonies of New France were Acadia, Louisiana and Newfoundland."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada,_New_France

      Canada was a French colony way before the British even dreamed of taking over Hudson bay. Even after the Treaty of Paris in 1763 New France existed in Louisianne until it was sold to the Americans.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/kenttellis kenttellis

        Stop dreaming in colour, the 66,000 Habitants were a Metis people not French, that is why the French government of Nicolas Sarkozy refused to grant them French citizenship, when they asked for it. Yes! The government of France after Governor Vaudreuil surrendered to Major-General Jeffrey Amherst on September 8, 1760, took back all it FRENCH citizens leaving behind only those who were not considered French. Thus any claim by the present day Quebecois/Quebecoise to being French is without any merit. Because a mule cannot claim to be a HORSE. Case closed.

        • bonneau

          Your tone seems to indicate that you're a trifle racist. Would you consider yourself a francophobe perhaps?

        • Andre

          Still, Canada was a colony in New France, a French province. It existed as such for almost 200 years before before the British used it as a name. To say that the British are entirely responsible for the creation of Canada is impossibly narrow minded.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/kenttellis kenttellis

        On December 2, 1762, France ceded her colony of Louisiana to Spain, rather then hand it over to Great Britain. Canada was nrever a French colony, the only territory in this part of North America that France had in 1759 was New France and its capital of Quebec City fell to the Anglo-American forces under Major-General James Wolfe on September 15, 1759. Major-General Jeffrey Amherst surrounded the French army and Metis Militia of Vaudreuil in Montreal and he saw no choice but surrender as the only option and did so on September 8, 1760.

        The colony of Louisiana was part of French North America, and not part of NEW FRANCE at all. So stop confusing yourself on the history of Louisiana.

        • Andre

          The Spanish handed back Louisiana to France in the 1800s and Napoleon sold it to the Americans. That marked the end of colonial France in America, but not the end of New France. It still exists today in St-Pierre et Miquelon.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/kenttellis kenttellis

        New France was literally given up by the French as there was no more money to be made in furs. Poor Montcalm held out without supples and died trying tofend what France no longer wanted.

        Governor Vaudreuil was of French parentage, and was able to leave New France after he had surrendered it on September 8, 1760. Other people also of French INLY origins were permitted to leave. The Habitant (Metis) had no choice but to stay as France did not want them. Better for the present day Quebecois (Metis) to reach out to their North American Indian Native half brothers and accept their fate. When you the Quebecois )Metis) denied your Native heritage to claim to be French, you alienated yourselves from your REAL family

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      Further to Andre's response I would like to add that it was the English who first used the word Quebec to designate what the French had called Canada. Quebec City was the main city of Canada, a part of New France.

      In 1763 what we now call Canada (and then some) was called British North America.

  • bonneau

    VIVE L'ALBERTA, VIVE L'ALBERTA LIBRE !!!

  • delford t. louis

    andrew coyne…disagree completely on all counts… canuck land is a chinese and immigrant republic…

    • http://hendrop06.student.ipb.ac.id ndrew

      yeah, i agree with you..

  • EFL

    Excellent piece. Hope it's widely read.

    • EFL

      Also meant to mention I liked the one about negative liberty vs. racial discrimination in employment a while back. I'm probably more open to measures furthering positive liberties, but I always enjoy a quietly principled argument, and rebuttal of fake, or confused, libertarianism. (I'm not sure the quiet pieces aren't usually the best. But then, I don't have to sell a magazine).

  • ColdStanding

    So, for Quebecois to leave on the grounds of what they believe was lost, they would really be leaving what they never actually lost?
    Hmm… maybe. Does this fortell an internally directed GG'ship by Mr. Johnston? Will he be spending the majority of his time (the GG does anyways) pressing the flesh in the under-appreaciated corners of Canada, in order to get us to put aside our differences and stop voting for the Bloc?
    How does the recent visit of HRH fit into all of this? Did Mr. Harper & Mr. Johnston have a tete-a-tete with Her Maj to flesh-out some new game plan using the GG office in a more robust way? Will Harper move to finally reform the Senate?
    Has running the country for awhile convinced Mr. Harper that he might actually be the leader of an actual country with some worth while attributes that could be put to some servicable use?

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/vangrungy vangrungy

    There is no moral footing to subjugate the population of a region, of course, although there may always be resort to force — whether it be outright occupation, as by Israel in the West Bank
    =============

    Nice try… Israel is an oasis of freedom in a sea of SHARIA… muslims are occupying their own land…
    When they give up muhammad and sharia law, integration MAY be possible…

    you are a useful idiot…

    • bonneau

      Whatever, Israel is still occupying the West Bank.

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