If we’re cutting useless things in Ottawa

WELLS: It’s time to fire half the cabinet

by Paul Wells on Friday, July 23, 2010 9:00am - 0 Comments

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Finally, the serious business of tearing down the Canadian federal state has begun.

The opening shots in these great battles are always so nondescript. Mighty oaks from tiny acorns grow. And in much the same way, the business of cramming the mighty oak of overgrown government back into an acorn starts with a little hedge trimming. And so it is the long-form census questionnaire that forms the first beachhead of the Harper government’s assault on big government.

It took a while. Federal program spending grew from $175 billion in 2005 to $229 billion in 2009. Truly, this is liberty’s darkest hour. But in the fight for freedom, one lonely soldier has never budged from his foxhole, except sometimes to chase foxes, but that’s another story.

Two years ago I was told, by a senior public servant and by a former employee in Maxime Bernier’s political office, that the randy MP from the Beauce had taken a particular dislike to the work of Statistics Canada when he was named industry minister in 2006. It’s StatsCan, after all, that asks citizens prying questions. It’s census data that are used as a basis for program design. And, too often, it’s census data that are used to judge the success of government programs against observable fact instead of random guesswork.

If you’re like me and Max Bernier, you’re not afraid to call all this by its real name: Communism. “Fundamentally,” Bernier wrote the other day on the Western Standard’s Shotgun Blog, “my position is that whatever the presumed usefulness of these data, I don’t believe it justifies forcing people to answer intrusive questions about their lives, under threat from a fine or jail time if they don’t.”

Sometimes the future is so shiny and new we hardly dare gaze upon its face. But here was the brave new world in all its freedom-loving glory: a deposed former cabinet minister, writing on the website of a defunct magazine, about a soon-to-be-discredited federal program. Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs! I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

But here’s the thing: the revolution must not end here. Once we’re done gutting the census—sorry, I mean scattering the quinquennial bean-counting armies of tyranny—it will be time to move on to the next hill. What on Earth can the Harper government do for an encore?
At first I thought we could eliminate the penny. Do you have spare change in your bedroom? I knew it! The state will get in there any way they can! But once again, that’s small change. Forgive the pun. It’s time to think bigger. It’s time to fire half the cabinet.

Fundamentally, my position is that whatever the presumed usefulness of these people, I don’t believe it justifies forcing people to pay for their chauffeured cars and putting up with their really bad imitations of competent administrators. When we roll back the state, let’s roll it right over this crew:

Josée Verner. Who? Precisely. She’s the minister of intergovernmental affairs, president of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and minister for La Francophonie. Already that title is way too long. And yet teams of scientists working in underground caverns with sensitive instruments can find no evidence that she works for a living. Her website shows that the minister responsible for federal-provincial relations has visited two provincial capitals, Quebec City and Toronto, in 2010, and that she has given no speech worth preserving since 2009. If she were fired tomorrow nobody would never notice. Don’t believe me? Let’s find out.

John Baird. The minister of transport. Have you flown in an airplane lately? After emptying your briefcase, displaying your lotions and ointments to a line of uniformed strangers, and enduring a random pat-down at the hands of security agents who flunked out of charm school, filling out a long-form census questionnaire starts to look like a monastery retreat in comparison.

Jason Kenney, Vic Toews and Peter MacKay. The ministers of immigration, public safety and defence. Because if you think a questionnaire is an invasion of your privacy, just try to imagine what a refugee-board hearing, a jailhouse or an infantry battalion could do.

Jim Prentice. The minister of the environment. Because who is he kidding?

Lawrence Cannon. The minister of foreign affairs. Because how do we keep track of all those teeny countries? We ask them. And we have no right to pry like that.

Tony Clement. The minister of industry. Because (a) he still administers the agricultural long-form census, which is as bad as the general long-form census, plus it has cows; (b) since Max Bernier is able to set policy from the backbenches, how hard can it be?; (c) just look at the guy. He’s dying up there.

Jim Flaherty. The minister of finance. Taxes. Spends. No good can come of this.
When it’s over, and the jackboot of the state has finally been pried from the neck of the law-abiding taxpayer, we’ll wonder how we ever put up with such pervasive tyranny. We’ll be 33 million people living in liberty. Give or take a few million.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

    Crikey. Just read a Harper-themed Wells post from the Martin era and compare it to this one. Harper's lost Wells, Coyne and practically every centre-right journalist who was prepared to cut him significant slack in the early days of his tenure.

    Harper's corner is slowly depopulating. Soon he'll be left with Kathy Shaidle, Lorne Gunter, and Ted Byfield. I don't know whom to feel more sorry for—him or them.

    • McC

      I linked to it in another post, but anyway, he's also appears to be losing Kelly McPharland at the Post: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/07/22/ke…

      • Anon 001

        Well, you know, even the most devoted sycophant, at some point, discovers a self-respect threshold that (s)he's not willing to cross. For KoryT and his merry band of goons at SunMedia, that point has not come yet, but it will.

    • Brian

      And the irony is, he's done more to offend the likes of Shaidle, Gunter and Byfield than he has to offend us reasonable peeps.

    • Holly Stick

      Lorne Gun ter had a column today on Ignatieff's bus breakdown a while ago. Lorne's next column will be about Stanfield dropping the football.

    • jarrid

      Too funny! Paul Wells is, and has always been a lefty. To say that he was ever in Harper's corner is simply delusional.

      Coyne's got more connections to the Liberal Party establishment than you can shake a stick at. He has a bit of a libertarian streak but a conservative he is not.

      Sir Francis, perspective's in order.

  • Oliver

    Isn't the Wildrose poised to take over?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      Wildrose is basically a rogue wing of the PC's, comprising disgruntled ex-members of Stelmach's party.

      • s_c_f

        Parties only count as parties when Sir Francis has given them his seal of existence.

        The 65% of non-Conservatives voters do form a party, of no known name or platform. Shall we call them the "should-all-be-Liberals" party? Not sure the BQ supporters would like that name.

        The 28% of Wild Rose supporters do not form a party (they are simply members of the "should-not-be-Liberals" party of Alberta).

        • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

          It's almost offensive to be challenged so limply. Please…please try to do better than this.

          If you can get a grown-up to read my original comment to you, slowly, you’ll discover that I said that 65% of Canadians would vote for candidates other than the CPC's, not that those voters form a single party, as I've explained to you in the other thread. Let me know if I need to break out the hand puppets and brightly coloured chalk in order to make things clearer for you.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            Suddenly you've become so literal.

            Well, you lumped those 65% all together as a single unified non-Conservative block.

            Meanwhile, here you've lumped the two leading Alberta parties into a single unified Conservative block.

            It's a rather simple concept really. It's all right if you still don't understand, you're not as smart as you think.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            There are times, s_c_f, when it's really better to just admit that you were confused and to take clarifying responses graciously rather than embarrass yourself by committing the double offence of continuing an obnoxious heckling and receiving more indulgent attention and patience than you deserve. For the record, I hope you one day learn the difference between voters and political parties: voters do not “form” parties and do not become members of a party by virtue of their vote. Thus I would never state that "the 65% of non-Conservatives voters do form a party", because that would be absurd for reasons of which you're clearly unaware.

            I'll try again, and I'll type as slowly as I can. I said explicitly that the anti-Harper vote does not represent a single party; it is a non-ideological block with a differentiated structure. All that unifies it is its opposition to Harper, which is not in itself an ideology.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Meanwhile, the Albertan PC's and Wildrose do share an ideology (in fact they are virtually ideologically identical) as well as a significant chunk of personnel. Their rivalry represents two leaders fighting for the soul of the same ideological block in order to more vigorously pursue an ideological vision they both share. Hence their underlying unity.

            The fact remains that most of the country opposes Harper, for a variety of ideological reasons. This simple mathematical reality was my original point, which smart readers grasped instantly. I do apologise for making things harder than necessary for you.

          • s_c_f

            I understand what you're saying. It doesn't debunk what I'm saying. And the Albertan PC's and Wildrose do not share an ideology. The Wild Rose exists because of dissatisfaction with PC policies. Their platforms differ.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Their platforms differ.

            I can't say I've detected meaningful differences between their platforms.

            Do you really think the Wildrose Alliance would even exist if the PC's were still led by Klein or if Stelmach just lowered the royalty rate?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            You're probably right they would not exist if Klein were still in charge.

  • Tony

    Step out the Ottawa-bubble for a breath of fresh air. It's summer time! ;)

  • Jan

    Is this what Tony Clement is trying to tell us? God, he needs to work on his communication strategy.

    • shouldIsellyourwheat

      The government are blind ignorant fools. The opposition partys are blind ignorant fools. And the press gallery are blind ignorant fools.

      When 99.999% of the people agree on something, they are probably wrong. One should look for the contrarian argument.

      Wells chooses to stay in the echo chamber (on the census issue) rather than think. He learnt nothing at Perimeter.

      • McC

        while I can't seem to disagree with you, that sure is a pessimistic outlook, and leaves me wondering how on earth such a population could manage its collective interests and responsibilities (whether we call this management "government" or otherwise)…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

        They're not actually, we just remember the few times they are wrong because when they're right it's just par for the course.

        Unless you're saying we really should start believing the flat-earthers.

  • Mulletaur

    The Conservative trolls are out in force, PMO must be nervous.

  • CLN

    Let's do away with formal government. We will rule ourselves and settle differences like the cowboy days. When will Harper make my dream come true?

  • Incredible

    Paul, it seems nobody realizes you were just joking or the fact you were talking about the person, not the office.

    You may want to clear up the confusion.

    • wilson

      It's Well's answer to Cons wanting 'smaller government'

  • Incredible

    Being a Minister of the Crown, how is Stock able to spend so much time in the tanning booth?

    He's starting to turn a bit yellow and beginning to resemble a chuck steak…medium rare, I might add.

    • shouldIsellyourwheat

      Day is a marathoner. i.e. He runs outdoors, in the sun, a lot.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        Let's hope Day runs marathons better than he ran his party. [badda bing!]

      • Anon 001

        That's because John Baird is always chasing him.

  • PAL

    i'm just wondering, when is anyone going to organize a coup? seriously, this is a disgrace.

    • Orson Bean

      Why a coup? Surely if this Tory government is as awful as you think it is, the opposition could handily win an election. Or do you have something against elections?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        …the opposition could handily win an election.

        I think PAL is talking about an election. Remember that an opposition win would still be a coup, according to the CPC.

        The Opposition (as a whole) did win the last election, but when they hatched a plan to govern, the Harperoids screamed "coup" in catastrophic ignorance of our parliamentary system. The CPC seems unable to think of legitimate dissent from their widely unpopular agenda in anything else but banana-republic terms, which is somehow sadly appropriate, given Harper's method of governance.

        • Orson Bean

          It's clear that you think Harper & Co are awful. It's still not clear to me what you want done about it. Do you want an election or not? Assassination? Alien invasion and takeover? Please advise.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            It's still not clear to me what you want done about it…Please advise.

            Well, all the politicians I would be willing to vote for are dead. I have gone to Notre Dame Basilica, though, and lit a vigil candle in order to propitiate my prayer that SaskAlbertans someday snap out of their Pavlovian habit of voting for whichever lobby-group-spawned Albertan does the best cheap impersonation of a populist. I suggest you run to your nearest basilica or cathedral and do likewise. Don't worry if you're not a Catholic. God will still listen to your prayers: he's a broad-minded chap.

            Alien invasion and takeover?

            That has already happened. Hence our dilemma.

          • Orson Bean

            "…my prayer that SaskAlbertans someday snap out of their Pavlovian habit of voting for whichever lobby-group-spawned Albertan does the best cheap impersonation of a populist."

            Oh, I see — people from Alberta and Saskatchewan are stupid Pavlovian fools, and it's their fault we don't have a better government.

            Thanks for comin' out.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            …people from Alberta and Saskatchewan are stupid Pavlovian fools, and it's their fault we don't have a better government.

            Yeah. It's ridiculous, isn't it? It reminds me of something I used to hear Albertans say during the Chrétien/Martin era. What was it again? Oh yes—it went something like this: "People from Ontario and Québéc are stupid Pavlovian fools, and it's their fault we don't have a better government".

            Payback's a bitch.

          • Orson Bean

            You're a regular champion of national unity aren't you?

        • wilson

          Why did the coalition of losers back down? Harper couldn't stop them, just delay a confidence vote.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Why did the coalition of losers back down?

            Because Harper ran away from Parliament too fast.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

            Because, if you care to remember, he caved to the coalition's demands. You see, if what you're interested in is good governance rather than simple power, the important bit is getting your ideas into policy. Well.. it took the coalition to do that, but it got the job done.

    • McC

      Yeah, let's empower the military to protect our governments from themselves like in Thailand, or Turkey, or Pakistan… Wheeee!

    • Brian

      They tried that already, remember?

  • Captain Canada…lol

    Wow I thought Maclean's was a true Canadian magazine but it is clearly a stooge for the Liberals and their supporters.
    All the replies that were remotely pro conservative were put down and voted against. This may be news to the east of Canada but western Canada has capable people that can run companies, corporations and even countries as well and quite probably better than any Francophone liberal Prime Ministers have done in the past.
    At least Harper hasn't sold any companies or hotels to his supporters in dubious manners as writing a contract on the back of a napkin. Hell that one was unbelievable especially by a lawyer.
    Even This hour has 22 minutes as biased as they are have not hated western Canadians as much as this magazine and the liberal readers.
    Wow lets give this Government a chance, they have done a decent job in the face of unprecedented worldwide problems.
    What the hell would the liberals have done that could have been better?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      And yet another Liberal sock puppet trying to make Albertan CPC lemmings look like effortlessly dismissible carny barkers.

      Could some brave soul on the Express please take that Blackberry away from Iggy? He's got no time for sock puppetry. He's got a nation to bore…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      You're right in that we do have capable people. Unfortunately, most of them have enough strength of character that they wouldn't submit to being Steve's whipping boy.

      And we've given this government lots of chances.
      We gave him a chance to succeed with softwood lumber, it was nearly there, after all. And instead he gives away a billion dollars for an agreement which is already in front of the trade commissions again.

      We gave him a chance to show principle by not appointing any unelected senators. And within his first week in office, he'd appointed Michael Fortier — a man who had been definitively rejected in every election he'd run in.

      We gave him a chance to show principles by not taxing income trusts. He turned around and taxed them.

      We gave him a chance to recognize the dire straits of the economy. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to that realization, almost losing power and having to shut down parliament in the process.

      We gave him a chance to make elections better in Canada. He passed a law to do so, and then ignored it and called an election anyway.

      How many chances should he be given?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        Relax, Thwim. You're replying to either Iggy or Donolo. I think it's Iggy, because it takes finely honed literary skills to mimic the hysterical tones of delusional prairie martyrdom as brilliantly as "Captain Canada" does whilst remaining (though just barely) within the realm of plausibility.

        • Tony

          You should put down your quill pen, have the servants equip the carriage, and head out to Albertkewan.

      • Captain Canada…lol

        That was a good week for the Chretin and Trudeau governments.
        I was pissed at them for the about face on the income trusts but the rest of the items listed were tough to do with a minority ..they had to get some support on the liberal controlled senate
        I still can't believe that any other leaders of any of the parties are or would be better than Harper…kind of a sorry state at the present and that is sad.
        They weren't the only countries leaders to realize the rest of the world was in trouble even the ones that were, did you see Paulson trying to convince the democrats how dire the situation was?

    • wilson

      ''All the replies that were remotely pro conservative were put down and voted against''

      It's actually rather friendly here,
      have you suffered the 'progressive hospitality' at Wherry's place?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/prescott prescott

      "Wow I thought Maclean's was a true Canadian magazine but it is clearly a stooge for the Liberals and their supporters"
      ___________________
      Wow? Wow? What are you? in grade school? I would gather that in your clouded lenses, the one true Canadian magazine would be the Western Standard (oh, wait, is it still in print?). Come to think of it, I would suspect that the only 'real' Canadians must be those in Alberta, the province with more Americans per capita than any other province. Lol.

  • Dee

    Re: "Those arguing for the census, are arguing for the dark ages."

    Yeah, because an accurate, reliable, comprehensive and secure census data source on the Canadian population is so easy to find on the web, as opposed to from StatsCan. Speed kills, shouldIsellyourwheat.

    • SirJohn_Eh

      Didn't you read?!?!? shouldlsellyourwheat says that the Harper giganto-budget actually contains iPods for everyone, superfast internet everywhere for all, and regular pm's from the PM for policy deciding time – in the NEAR FUTURE!!!!! Census-schmensus!! Stats are worse than lies and damn lies anywhoo.

  • bonneau

    You're absolutely right Paul. Let's go further, what we do need is another Mao.

  • bonneau

    Sounds like a great chapter in the ongoing Harper saga, "Why does the world hate me?" But the truth is he is as thick-skinned as a boar, is oblivioius to critique and frankly doesn't give a sh!t.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      But the truth is he is…oblivioius to critique.

      Yeah, like he still refuses to abolish income trusts, and he still refuses to accept floor-crossers, and he still denies the legitimacy of an unelected Senate, and he still endorses the invasion of Iraq, and he still insists on an indefinite Canadian mission in Afghanistan, and he still plans to abolish the public funding of political parties, and he's still against deficit spending….

  • bonneau

    I've got my antennas out and am receiving strong signals that we're on the verge of something big happening on the domestic political scene. Although I can't put my finger on it. Can you not sense the build up that is occurring? And it will happen sooner than we think. Stay tuned.

  • bonneau

    Maybe that 'something big' will be the next elections. The silent majority is absolutely fed up and will come up with some sort of effective strategy to oust this neanderthal one-man show.

  • CndnRschr

    Where is the yardstick for comparison and validation of an improvement if its predecessor has been prematurely and abruptly dismantled? Of course new approaches and ways of doing things are continuously being developed but most progress builds on the work of others (standing on the shoulders of giants). Occasionally, there is transformative change, but the government is not using that as its justification for eliminating the long form of the census. Their proffered raison d'etre (this week) is that its an unacceptable invasion of privacy. Someone does not understand how the information is used and aggregated. Sure, people are worried about privacy (especially through social media and other "transforming technologies) but conflating this with the long form census questionnaire is manipulative and deceptive.

    I'm sure Wells was inspired by his time at the PI and he'd also have met a slew of mathematicians who actually understand and rely upon the fundamental concepts of statistical science. Methinks it’s the apparent revolt against the scientific method illustrated by this last move that has gotten under his skin?

    As an aside, increasingly stringent privacy laws are interfering with legitimate data collection making reputable datasets even more valuable. There will be extrapolative methods developed that are based on social behaviour (financial transactions, etc) but these will require anchoring in solid demographic information, without which their utility will be like a house without a foundation.

    • shouldIsellyourwheat

      //Where is the yardstick for comparison and validation of an improvement if its predecessor has been prematurely and abruptly dismantled? Of course new approaches and ways of doing things are continuously being developed but most progress builds on the work of others (standing on the shoulders of giants). Occasionally, there is transformative change, but the government is not using that as its justification for eliminating the long form of the census.//

      Recommended reading: Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions".

      Mobile technology, Web 2.0, Search, private media(blogs/twitter), social networking are creatively destroying and remaking industries. Most activities involving information are experiencing transformative paradigm shifts. The census and the "industry" above it is an information industry. To believe that the information revolution in terms of the quantity and quality of near real time information will not utterly creatively destroy and transform that industry is somebody who is not paying close attention. For all these journalists who are in the midst of their own industry being transformed by it to believe that the "census industry" is going to escape it is just mind-boggling. If you are young and in university are planning to have a career as a policy wonk using the census as the anchor of your information, I think you are seriously deluded.

      One would have hoped that Statscan would have used this change as a wakeup call to realize that the future of information is going to be vastly different than the past. From the reaction, it is clear nobody at Statscan is thinking about the future and the effect of the new mobile and information technologies on what they should be doing.

      //I'm sure Wells was inspired by his time at the PI and he'd also have met a slew of mathematicians who actually understand and rely upon the fundamental concepts of statistical science.//

      I guarentee you they aren't using Newton's laws anymore.

      • Holly Stick

        "creative dcestruction" Sounds like Naomi Klein is right.

      • Dee

        Re: "I guarentee you they aren't using Newton's laws anymore."

        Whaaaa??! Tony Clement, is that you?

  • bonneau

    Nice personal rant, Wheat, but pretty flaky at best. So you know better about census than mathematicians and statisticians with PhD's. You know Dick Tracy.

  • orval

    If census-gate is ideological (which I greatly doubt), then it can only be a trial balloon for the real thing later on.

    Here's the plan: (1) Census form decision – (2) central Canadian media, opposition parties and superannuated "experts" and talking head pundits go ballistic – (3) Authoritarian Ottawa bureaucrat resigns because he can no longer put people in jail for ignoring him – (4) the sky is falling! the end of democracy! soldiers in the streets! cry the pundits – (5) nothing happens – (6) public yawns – (7) a week later all is forgotten – (8) new faux-scandal appears – (9) lather, rinse, repeat.

    Now watch for the real thing —-when the Conservative Government goes after the really big authoritarian money-wasters – Department of Indian Affairs….Canadian Wheat Board….the CBC…you get the idea.

    I wait in anticipation for Max Bernier's next speech.

    The real news today is that the federal deficit is down 41% from last year. Why? Because GST revenues are way up! Reducing the GST was such bad policy according to the experts. I guess the people don't listen to the experts!

    • bonneau

      Why Bernier? He's so full of it his eyes are brown.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      … the federal deficit is down 41% from last year.

      And the bad news: it's still around 4.4 billion, and the surplus is gone.

      I think the real news today is that the Bank of Canada is predicting another economic downturn with a grave impact on jobs and federal revenue. Funny how you weren't so interested in sharing that with us, Orval.

      • orval

        Predictions are not something that has happened.

    • wilson

      Department of Indian Affairs….Canadian Wheat Board….the CBC..

      quit teasing!
      Liberals still insist that farmers must be tossed in jail if they sell their own wheat ,
      but only in Western Canada.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      So coming off our biggest deficit ever, having had a surpluse not too many years ago, we now crow about how the federal deficit is only 41% down yet we're already through more than half the year?

      Sounds like somebody's cracked before it's time to count chickens.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PeteTong PeteTong

    Scrapping the penny would be the most useful thing the federal government has done in years.

  • DianeG

    Fire "Tony Clement. The minister of industry. Because (a) he still administers the agricultural long-form census, which is as bad as the general long-form census, plus it has cows; " best chuckle in the article. Watch out for those cows, they're dangerous critters and they don't support our troops.

  • jannx

    Let me introduce myself .. you've heard of the "Lord of the Flies", I am the most powerful of all, the "Lord of Stupid"

    So far Canada has been lucky to avoid my plague. Putting people like Flaherty, Baird and yes Harper into public office has stymied all my efforts to bring this country down with "Stupidity". In public view and office they can't do my work out of sight of the media and questioning civil service or public.

    Just wait until you vote this party out, then the real party will begin!

    Impatiently,
    "Lord of Stupid"

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      Appropriate moniker.

  • NiceGuy

    It's rather amusing watching the pinko commie Ottawa media come completely unglued lol. Speaking of useless things in Ottawa, how about 98% of the press corps??

    What on Earth can the Harper government do for an encore?

    Hopefully bring back the death penalty…then we'll really be talkin'!!

    • Tony

      Maybe we can start burning witches ;)

      • NiceGuy

        That would be fun! It could bridge the time between the end of hockey and the start of the NFL.

    • wilson

      Never gonna happen NG,
      too many of us ex-Liberals on board with the CPC now.
      Same with abortion and ssm, only seen in the rear view mirror.

      • NiceGuy

        Soon, your help won't be required. The west is growing and serious conservatism is taking root once again in Canada.

        • DerekPearce

          The West ain't growing that fast. More people live within a 50K radius of my front door than all of Alb-Sask-Man combined.

        • Holly Stick

          A bit of reality for you, "NiceGuy": the west has limits to growth, of which the most important is water. My own city of Calgary has slightly more than 1 million people in it. Will it ever reach the size of Toronto, about 2.5 million? Unlikely, since we do not have enough water for 2.5 million people, unless it is severely rationed.

          And of course the reality of global warming, which you ignorant Conservatives keep denying, means that we will probably have less water in the future and what water there is may come all at once in floods. Kind of like a desert environment. Dry with occasional flash floods.

          • Tony

            Oh look! the conversation is already moving towards the mother of all socialist schemes.

          • Holly Stick

            Oh look! Another ignorant Conservative denialist! What'll you do when the well runs dry?

          • NiceGuy

            Probably get my water from a lake…or a river…or a different well..etc etc etc

          • Holly Stick

            Whoosh! Right over your head…

          • NiceGuy

            You mean the fraud of man made global warming??

          • Halo_Override

            The Climategate "scandal" was actually demonstrated to be the manufactured fraud, not the theory of global warming itself. Do expand your reading a little, sir.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/prescott prescott

      "It's rather amusing watching the pinko commie Ottawa media"

      You must be an old American draft dodger from the '60s. That's Yankee talk that Sen Joe McCarthy encouraged. Canada was not as paranoid.

  • Margaret

    Meanwhile, who's been hired to tune up the PMO pitchfork, set up pots for burning brimstone, and wafting the scent of sulphur around?

    "Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste . . . "

    • bonneau

      I killed the czar and his ministers…

  • Peef

    "..lotions and ointments…" Hahahaa! The minister of closeted faggotry.

  • Reverend Blair

    Excellent, Wells. Some days you are a credit to your profession.

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