Ottawa’s stimulus fiasco

A circus school, a ferry to nowhere, lawn-bowling greens. This is vital infrastructure?

by Jason Kirby with Josh Dehaas, Philippe Gohier and Jane Switzer on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:51am - 0 Comments

With such meagre government largesse early on, the Fraser Institute argues the stimulus did almost nothing to prompt the recovery. In a March report, the conservative think tank analyzed StatsCan data and determined government consumption and spending made a negligible contribution to GDP growth in the last two quarters of 2009. Instead, it attributed the rebound to rising exports. While other economists questioned the institute’s analysis, Prime Minister Harper was livid. He slammed the report as “shabby,” and said economic theory shows governments must ensure funds are put to good use to create jobs. (Never mind that in his 1991 University of Calgary master’s thesis, Harper took a swipe at the Keynesian economic policy of deficit spending to fight recessions.)

In the eyes of conservative economists like Mark Milke, director of research at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, every taxpayer dollar now going to jump-start the economy is being wasted. “It takes great gall to claim credit for ending a recession by spending stimulus money when that money was spent after the recession had already ended,” he says. “It’s kind of an Alice in Wonderland approach to finance, which one rarely saw under [former finance minister] Paul Martin.”

Yet the government’s position on the question of timing is simple—the recession never ended. “Statisticians may think the recession is over but the recovery remains very fragile, and ultimately people getting their jobs back is a key factor in determining when the recession is over,” says Soudas from the PMO. On this point, the government enjoys some support from Kevin Page, the parliamentary budget chief who has criticized the lack of transparency surrounding the stimulus plan. In an interview, Page said the Canadian economy is still operating well below potential.

Soudas also points out infrastructure was not the only part of the stimulus plan. At the federal level it includes tax breaks for individuals and businesses, reforms to Employment Insurance, a home-renovation tax credit and incentives for home buyers. Those non-infrastructure measures, worth roughly $30 billion—including $9.7 billion to bail out the auto sector—were put in place right away, says Soudas, and contributed to the rebound.

“There’s something to be said for that argument, given the stunning rebound in house prices over the last year. On the other hand, government intervention and record low interest rates from the Bank of Canada prompted Canadian households to gorge themselves on mortgage and consumer debt, setting themselves up for trouble. This week the Bank of Canada raised rates again in order to cool down the economy. Now there’s a very real risk the flood of infrastructure money being pumped into the economy this summer could fuel the fire, forcing the bank to tighten even further and squeeze over-leveraged households.”

Questionable infrastructure spending isn’t the only part of the stimulus plan critics have serious problems with. Ottawa has also used the opportunity to pump millions into private businesses and industries through grants and loans. When in opposition, the Conservatives accused the Liberals of trying to pick winners and losers in the private sector. Yet that is exactly what the Harper government is doing now, with almost no disclosure about the terms of the funding arrangements.

Scan through the action-plan website, and taxpayers might wonder whether Ottawa fancies itself a bank or even a venture capital fund. In one transaction, Ottawa provided $2 million in funding to Canada Bread Company Ltd., to “engineer and design” a new plant—even though the company generates $1.7 billion in revenue and has $60 million in cash.

Meanwhile, several stimulus projects involve “start-up” companies, such as $199,000 for a new organic health-food company in Quebec, $120,000 for another Quebec company that plans to make work clothes, and $450,000 for HD Petroleum, a company launched by a former cellphone salesman near Winnipeg to convert waste oil and plastic bags to diesel fuel. (In a recent newspaper interview, company president Todd Habicht boasted HD has attracted 25 inquiries from investors in Africa and the Middle East, which begs the question why government funding was needed in the first place.)

In fact, Ottawa is intent on promoting particular industries, even when there’s already too much capacity to keep existing businesses busy. Consider the market for wood pellets, which are burned to produce power. Under the stimulus plan, at least $7.5 million has gone to build or convert four wood-pellet plants in struggling forestry communities across the country. Yet in May, an industry official told a Senate committee there is already excess supply, while the collapse of the euro has decimated wood-pellet exports to the crucial European market. It’s a similar story in the slaughterhouse industry, where Ottawa is spending $50 million over three years to expand capacity.

For Kevin Grier, a senior market analyst at the George Morris Centre, an agri-food think tank, the rush of money for slaughterhouses smacks of the interventionist spending policies seen during the Trudeau era. “This government money gets [companies] into a market when they wouldn’t be there any other way, because nobody in their right mind would give them the money,” he says. Nobody, that is, except the government of Canada.

In the end what the Great Stimulus Spending Spree of 2009 and 2010 will be remembered for is its legacy of infrastructure projects. The truth is no one knows for sure what, if any, impact these projects have had, says Page. That’s why his office is currently surveying 1,000 Infrastructure Stimulus Fund recipients about whether the money actually stimulated output and created jobs, with the report due out in the fall. “This is an opportunity to promote transparency,” he says. More importantly, if there is another recession, at least there will be some solid, independent analysis about which types of projects are worth pursuing. And which ones equate to shovelling taxpayer money down a deep, dark hole.

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  • ChrisInKW

    The lack of long-term thinking, this miserable myopia, in a period of great upheaval is worrisome. The only common denominator seen in these projects is self interest; to hell with the future. Tell me now, who's just in it for themselves?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

      That would be Premiers and Municipalities that agreed to spend 1/3 equally. Funny how you ignore the coalition of the willing. Need a few links of David Miller, Dalton McGuinty, Jean Charest praising their partnership?

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    A circus school, a ferry to nowhere, lawn-bowling greens. This is vital infrastructure?

    No, it's business as usual for the Federal government of Canada. Except when they do a whole bunch of stupid, expensive things at once, they call it stimulus. But 'stimulus' is merely a change in intensity, not a change in direction.

  • Ryan

    Blame the liberals, they were the ones screaming spend or election.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Raging_Ranter Raging_Ranter

      Worse, it was "spend or coalition".

    • come again

      This article is about HOW the money was spent, not whether or not it should be. Please keep up.

  • Barcs

    Who said that the stimulus was about "vital infrastructure"??

    I thought it was about job creation, purchase of building materials from a resource based economy keeping them going, keeping the manufacturer's going… etc.

    ………..
    “It’s kind of an Alice in Wonderland approach to finance, which one rarely saw under [former finance minister] Paul Martin.” —– Apparently you don't remember "Prime Minister Martin"…

  • P Ingram

    If the government wasting our money by giving it to friends and business associates surprises anyone they must have spent the last few decades living in a cave.
    Watch:" Oh Canada our bought and sold out land" on youtube. If you haven't seen it take the time, you wont regret it

    [youtube eVBDwAuCdPw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBDwAuCdPw youtube]

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

      Funny you bring this up because the Liberals were NOT interested in providing any ideas for the budget.

      [youtube BBxM8dw72Ls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBxM8dw72Ls youtube]

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    I will read this report and all the comments sometime this week, I promise. But the headline and the few initial comments are very cute. It's almost like this is an unexpected surprise? People, the faster you want to throw money around because the sole purpose is to throw money around, the more you must expect EXACTLY this sort of thing. Now, off to read the gory details…

  • My Name is

    Ahh. $1.5m extra for what is Canada's leading circus school (The National Circus School)
    A circus school which also happens to be an official post secondary education, and which is internationally coveted. A circus school which is mainly funded by Cirque Du Soleil, one of Quebec's larger companies: a company that makes millions in tax revenu unto itself.
    Yes, let's harp on that circus school.
    I mean, I pretty much hate Harper, but what I hate more is mob lynching.

    • TedTylerEzro

      I think I'll concede that you have a good point here.

      Of course, I generally don't approve of subsidizing industry in general, including arts and culture industries. The circus school, while it may provide a post-secondary education, seems to largely a place to train and recruit for a non-essential and specific part of the economy. I mean, why shouldn't the Cirque de Solei fund it, since that is where most of the people will go to work?

      But I will concede that it is no worse than any other arts spending, and a better use of arts funds than a lot of it.

  • Don'tGetFooledAgin!

    Wow. Thanks to Maclean Magazine. Anybody with half a brain in their head knew that the Harper thugs were lying through their teeth. What a complete mismanagement and blatant pay off to bolster support in conservative ridings….this government took 60 billion bucks…and what…after the Summit Security Budget…of a Billion plus…this is not hard to believe at all…

  • Sushi

    Interesting that the Fraser Institute critique of Harper's spending was based on StasCan data. No suprise that Harper now wants to undermine StatsCan reporting.

  • NiceGuy

    Wow, your hands must hurt…quick economic lesson for you. BORROWING money to create these 'pools' takes a bad situation and makes it a thousand times worse. Once these borrowed 'pools' dry up, not only do you not have anything to support your economy, but you now have more DEBT… this debt means taxes go up on any of the businesses and workers left standing…spiralling things downward. Don't believe me? Just wait 6-12 months after the 'stimulus' is over. Oh and BTW owing this money to your primary rival in the world (Chinese) means that they have a say in what you do spend money on.

    • Thwim

      Well, if you spend it like the Conservatives have, on gazebos and trails for snow-mobile clubs, then yes, you have no additional benefits to support your economy, which means you need a much larger stimulus in order for your economy to really start performing better.

      However, economies can be (and often are) self supporting, with increases in business activity providing the necessary increase revenue to the government which enables them to pay back the loans without tax increases.. or are you saying you think Flaherty's budgets are full of crap (as that's the strategy he's specifically said he's relying on)? I tend to agree with that idea actually, but more because I think the stimulus that was provided was done poorly and so was not enough to really get our economy back to self-sustaining levels (mostly because of its dependency on the US).

      At any rate this gets into the part I was talking about earlier.. you know how you pay that money back ideally? You increase taxes on the highest class of investors.. those who have the biggest pools of money left over and who are the most likely to "invest" in ideas that promise returns while fulfilling no real need — which is what got us into the problem in the first place. In short, you pay them back with their own money.

  • parnel

    You continue to contrive history in a way that is almost libelous to others and say nothing about reformatort garbage. The tories are self destructing with stupid moves, tinkering with wikipedia stuff and generally giving Canadians the worst government ever with 70% of the population wanting them gone.

    That's the bottom line to your revionist history of meaningless trash.

    • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

      Liberals should not use the term self-destruct. Martin, Dion and Ignatieff all self-inflicted wounds. From policy flip flops, leadership debts, to unresolved fundraising problems to aborted leadership contest.

      Zero links to correct those pesky facts. Truth is a defence. An anonymous internet alias can not sue for damages regarding Libel.

      • parnel

        Self destruct is what Tories always do because they cannot help themselves with the ideological crap they throw at us.
        The real fact is that Chretien was in a similar position to Iggy a year before he slaughtered the cons and Harper was ten points behind Martin and unpopular but won. He cannot get a majority because he is a rabid dog ideologue and also because 70% of this Country is not conservative or stupid enough to ever give Harper a majority. Those are the facts. Now go back and play with your deficits and census excuses and sole source fighter jet contracts. Oh and don't forget to look in on Wikipedia in case you need to alter some more facts.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

          You are Liberal because you have cognitive dissonance. Chretien beat Brian Mulroney's replacement promising to scrap GST and Free Trade (Red Book). The Liberals have become a regional party compliments of the October Crisis in Quebec and NEP out West. The progressive vote has left the Liberals in 2000 with NDP at 8.5% and Greens at 0.5%. The rural, medium cities, social conservatives, visible minorities, Catholic have LEFT the liberals as the default party- its over.
          2006 the Liberals(30.23%, 103 seats) under Martin were rejected at the ballot after their non-confidence motion in parliament. In 2008 the Liberals achieved another low point not repeated since Confederation (77 seats, 26.3%) under Dion, votes are not fungible. NDP, Bloc and Green voters reject the Liberal Party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_ele…
          2009 in four contest the Liberals sucked failing to improve their vote (except Casey's riding because Liberals did not run against May in 2008). The CPC won 50% of the seats taking a long held Bloc seat 16 years.

          "Your time is up." Classic Liberal line. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/09/01/ignatie…

          Only one political party has failed in GOTV since 2000, their financials tell the real story.

          Replay the hidden agenda, scary right wing Republican Christian 'rapture' theory, Canadians have tuned out the Liberals. The Liberal friendly media in Toronto is carrying the remnants of the party and they are failing to bring them above 30% in 2010.

          Just showing up and being anti Harper is not enough. BTW Ignatieff has the 307th worst attendance rate in parliament (Just Visiting Ads seem fair) http://howdtheyvote.ca/

          • parnel

            Harper beat martin because of a scandal and the promise of open government. He has hidden scandals and has been repressive in his governance style. Why else do you think Canadians detest the man? He is a proficient liar.

            You keep resonating facts that don't mean squat. The Tories got shut out in NFLD and so are not truly national either if you want to be that precise.

            Libs will replay the lack of transparenccy the incredible dishonesty of this givvcernment and the dirty tricks agenda they thrive on.

            The polls do not indicate a Tory win next time out and at best show a much reduced minority. this after almost 5 years of governance against a supposedly weak opposition.

            I am not just anti Harper but he is the only target as he continues to operate as a dictator.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Revisionist history making excuses for Liberals being rejected at the ballot.

            Coming out of the 2000 federal election, Liberal dominance seemed assured. For the
            Liberals to lose, two things had to happen: the right would have to re-unite and short-term factors would have to be strongly against the Liberals. Both conditions were in place by the time of the 2004 election. The right had re-united in 2003 when the Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives merged to form the new Conservative Party of Canada and the sponsorship scandal had angered many Canadians. In the 2004 election, the Liberals managed to hang on to power. In the 2006 election, they did not. And in 2008, they suffered a crushing defeat. Indeed, the party long considered Canada’s “natural governing party” recorded its lowest ever share of the vote. In this paper, we examine why the Liberals’ fortunes changed so dramatically over so short a time span. http://ces-eec.org/pdf/Anatomy%20of%20a%20Liberal…

            The FACTS don't back up your fairytale. Denial and entitlement to power is the major problem for Liberals and you provide proof positive in your rants.

          • parnel
          • parnel

            There is no denial; there is a conscious effort to address the problem in the left and unite it under a liberal umbrella. it is still fledgling but is gorwing as the people come to detest harper more and more. Having a brain dead industry doesn't help the cause either. Clement is now as big a joke as Stockwell day.

            here's the facts:

            Modern liberalism prides itself in its ability to self-organize, to put the very self-advancement of the individual in service of the greater good. But its greatest challenge at present isn’t Stephen Harper or ideological conservatism; it’s their own inability to permit their inherent liberal temperament and outlook to pull them together. The Conservative government knows this and rides on the crest of numerous broken waves.

            These dedicated and liberally-minded citizens have become the disconnected – unable or unwilling to draw together to break the present ideological conservative influence that survives not so much by power as by default. The comfortable won’t enter the fray, and that leaves only these active citizens to unite their voice politically and become the change they seek.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Checkmate. You need to link to a Liberal MPs blog for validation of your worldview.

            Liberalism has died and Liberals killed it, they adopted a Central Planning society and Ottawa knows best culture.

            Both of you invoke the scary Republican right wing mantra for the loss of Liberal votes. You blamed RCMP and scary TV ads defining the Liberals Martin-Ignatieff.

            The Liberals can't afford to run TV ads, they are reduced to a few radio spots and Youtube spots.

            The grassroots have never replaced the Bay Street donors and the power of the Liberal friendly media has lost it capacity to install a new liberal PM.

            It sucks to be a Liberal, the glory days are over and Janine Krieber was correct in her Facebook analysis.

            The Liberal party is in a free fall, and it won't recover. Like all the liberal parties in Europe, it will become a poor little thing at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions.
            I don't want to give my voice to a party that risks winding up in the dustbin of history. I'm looking around and there are certain things that please me. Like a dedicated party, one that doesn't challenge its leader with every dip in the polls. A party where the order of the day is happiness, and not assassination. A party where work ethic and competence are respected and where the smiles aren't phony. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/729113

            As always you mock religion because it does not suit your political agenda. Those social conservatives have moved away from the Liberals.

            Push SSM, state funded abortion and disrespect the views of social conservatives.

          • parnel

            I don't push anything and there is a constitution that had to be followed.
            Screw social conservatism. It is followed by about 10% of the population. The facts are, and you cannot deny them with your BS, that Harper is despised and distrusted by 70% of the population and once again the Libs will have to clean up the dirty mess left behind by these rank amateurs.

            Your crap about Liberalism being dead is just so much baloney pure and simple. There is a swelling demand for change in the western world that is not being met because the Luddites who call themselves Consefrvatives are in reality a cave man mentality and simply try and drag the whole population into their den of stupidity with no science or facts to guide them. Democracy demand things like PR and more transparency something the Tories not only fail at but try to bury. Luddites are you. Look in the mirror and don't bother with your luddite stats that mean nothing with a population in a mood for change.

            I think you maybe the crazy person who rides around 905 ridings on his bike shouting obscenities at Liberla or NDP functions.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Do you have any clue what it social conservatism is? You than make up a number of ten per cent.

            Your flawed logic:
            In 2000 the last Liberal majority it was 38.46% that means 61.54% rejected the Liberals. In 2006 Liberals earned 30.23% 69.77% under Martin. Dion earned 26.26% was rejected by 73.74%

            ‘If you want to have your way in Quebec, you just have to bypass the Quebec officials in the party, going instead to the inner circle from Toronto," Coderre said Monday at a news conference in his Montreal riding.

            Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/a…

          • parnel

            How's your Tory logic working since the latest polls:

            With this poll, the national projection is now:

            Conservatives – 33.9%
            Liberals – 28.2%
            New Democrats – 16.4%
            Bloc Québécois – 9.7%
            Greens – 9.1%

            That translates into:
            120 seats for Harpo
            92 seats for Iggy
            41 for Jack the ripper
            55 for the bloc

            Your logic is flawed as usual as the trend is against the reformatorts

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            You keep referring to voluntary Polls and I have cited actual election results. Can you tell the difference?

            More troubling news for you.
            As of 2001, 77% of Canadians claim adherence to Christianity, followed by no religion at 16%, and Islam at 2%. (Census 2001)

            Since 2001 has immigration increased, are those coming non-believers?

            Facts and figures 2009 – Immigration overview:
            Permanent and temporary residents
            http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics…

            Do you think these immigrants are more or less religious?

            Scared yet?

            The majority are moving to largest urban centre the remaining Liberal strongholds Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal suburbs.

            They are social conservatives!

          • parnel

            Wrong again.
            Immigrants have moslty always been social conservatives but not the type that voted Tory. They are unlike the western social conservatives whose ties to born again christianity are the drivers. My parents were immigrants who were conservative and voted liberal all their lives. That will not, and is not, changing because the Libs are moving their center ground to meet those needs just as they always do since they are not driven by some phony ideology based on hearsay as opposed to evidence based facts.

            cont'd………

          • parnel

            ……….cont'd.
            Why are your sacred reformatorts running the country so poorly? They are close to losing their lead in the polls. 70% don't like them and that is growing. My prediction based on past elections when change was "in the air" is that the sacred reformatorts are trending towards 25 or 26% again. People are sensing that change is needed. My only uncertainty is where those votes will go which will determine if Iggy can win a majority first time out. I believe Duceppe has a soft underbelly that can be exploited by the left only and not the Harpercrites for sure. Ontario is coming out of its funk and starting to see harper for what he is and don't like it.
            I know my trends are better barometers than your phony so called stats that are meaningless in today's environment.

            Keep up the charade.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Link refute your rant. As I said it sucks to be a Liberal in denial.

            Even controlling for a variety of social background characteristics, the loss of visible minority support is evident (see Table 1). According to our estimations, the probability of voting Liberal in 2000 was 26 points higher among visible minority voters than among other voters; in 2008, the probability of a Liberal vote was only 12 points higher. The net contribution to the Liberal vote share was less than one percentage point. http://ces-eec.org/pdf/Anatomy%20of%20a%20Liberal…

          • parnel

            2000 and 2010 are a decade apart and there are new people in the party who fully understand the dynamics of the population. the ones who don't are the Tories who keep on playing to their red enck religious base that will never ever see them get a majority and is shrinking as Martin stated in his G&M column the other day. They have no other constituency is the real fact you cannot face up to. Once agian your phony stats deny you the truth of the matter

            Keep up the wet dream scenario; we love it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            You religious intolerance is evident. You forget the fallout and deny the loss of religious support for Liberals.

            Sadly for Liberals they even deny the Good News in Canada.

            "It's the economy stupid". Voters sent the CPC back in 2008 with a larger mandate. Only Atlantic Canada rewarded the Liberals in 2008. They lost Ontario in seats and popular vote.

            The Canadian economic juggernaut roared into June, creating a staggering 93,200 jobs and pulling down the unemployment rate to 7.9 per cent.
            http://www.thestar.com/business/article/833996–j…

            Ontario's employment was up 60,000 in June, the sixth consecutive monthly gain. This brings employment increases in the province to 187,000 (+2.9%) since July 2009. With these gains, Ontario's employment is slightly below its pre-recession level. In June, the unemployment rate fell 0.6 percentage points to 8.3%, the lowest since January 2009.

            In June, employment increased by 30,000 in Quebec and the unemployment rate dipped 0.2 percentage points to 7.8%. Since July 2009, employment growth in Quebec has been the fastest of all provinces at 3.0% (+117,000).
            http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100709/d…

            Your personal attacks and desperation is evident by the pattern in your attacks.

            No links, insult and scream Christian "rapture" fear mongering. Nothing has changed from Manning and Stockwell days.

          • parnel

            My insults are to your stupidity and poor use of what you assume to be meaningful and truthful when in reality thye form your wet dream.

            I'm done with this version of your looney right nonsense. I think you are Clement in drag.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Exposing your religious intolerance and now you express a bigotry towards cross dressers?

            Are you keeping a secret?

          • parnel

            here's a stat for you to chew your bone on:

            "Typically, in Canada, the federal government's approval ratings go up in summer, when the HOC has been shuttered . But Prime Minister Harper treats the whole season as a kind of leash-free dog-park for his back benchers"

          • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

            You copy a sentence from an opinion piece that you are afraid to link?

            Your refer to Allan Gregg Harris Decima Research for your talking points?
            http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/2…

            What place did Harris Decima place in 2008 General Elections?

            Harris Decima finished 5th, ahead of Strategic Counsel 7th (Peter Donolo), behind Ekos Research (Frank Graves) 2nd.

            Angus Reid came in first place in polling election popular support.

            Harris Decima last poll before the election under polled the CPC by 3.7% over polled the Green by 4%.
            http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/2010/04/harris-…

          • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

            Since you are a FAN of Harris Decima Research here is a gem from A.G. on your leader from May 18, 2009

            Here is their Polling for 2009. Enjoy. http://canadanewsdesk.com/polls/?p=Harris-Decima&…

            In the last 15 Polls by Harris Decima the Liberals only lead in 3.

            Harris-Decima chairman Allan Gregg said Ignatieff’s continuing poor leadership numbers help explain why Harper’s Conservatives have managed to maintain their lead in the overall polls despite recent controversies over disgraced cabinet minister Helena Guergis, the treatment of Afghan detainees and abortion policy.

            Indeed, Harris-Decima found national support levels essentially unchanged, with the Tories at 32 per cent, the Liberals at 28, the NDP at 17 and the Greens at 11.

            “You really have to ask yourself if there isn’t an Ignatieff drag problem that is plaguing the Liberals,” Gregg said in an interview.

            “When you have as much disapproval, unfavourable impressions, it isn’t indifference. It’s something deeper than that.”

            Gregg said it may be that the Tory portrayal of Ignatieff — as an “out of touch, effete, Central Canadian snob” — has taken hold among voters.

            Whatever the reason, he said it’s not normal for an opposition leader to be viewed more negatively than a sitting prime minister, particularly when that prime minister is not hugely popular himself.

            “Opposition leaders usually do not evoke strong negative feelings, so it’s very unusual,” he said.

            The poll suggest the Tories were statistically tied with the Liberals in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces and leading everywhere else, except Quebec.
            http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/810968…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            You ignore your party is in damage control after SSM, pushing state funded abortion for the Congo.

            The Pope denied Pelosi, Martin. Chretien any photo ops to help with the Catholic vote?

            THE LEADER of Canada's official opposition has been striving to cultivate better communication with people of faith.

            For close to a year, John McKay — a Toronto-area Liberal MP with longstanding evangelical Christian connections — has been acting as Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff's entrŽe into various sectors of the Canadian Christian community
            http://www.canadianchristianity.com/nationalupdat…

          • parnel

            As they should…the dynamics of the population are changing, the center has moved and the party is changing with them. Too bad the reformatorts can't get past the dinasour age.
            When is their majority coming? 2025!!! After the next Liberal expires from 14/15 years in power which is the trend for them.

          • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

            You use a single poll and a projection from an undisclosed website.

            I link election results, financial statements from wiki, Elections Canada, Census about Liberals and Immigration.

            I introduce, link actual EVIDENCE as FACTS and you are stuck with 90's Liberal attack lines.

            It must suck to be an apologist for a party that can't field any star candidates or afford to buy television ads.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            Clearly the truth is upsetting you.

            Canadians support a wide range of charitable and nonprofit organizations, but they focus that support preferentially on a few causes.8 As Chart 1.3 shows, religious organizations were the biggest beneficiaries of charitable giving, receiving 46% of the total dollar value of donations.9 Health organizations followed, with 15% of the total value of donations. Nine percent of all donor dollars went to social services organizations, while international organizations and hospitals each received 6% of the total value of donations. These figures are essentially unchanged since 2004.
            http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/71-542-x/71-542-x200…

          • parnel
          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

            You keep referring to a partisan website for your facts, can you tell the difference?

            [youtube RUYlj7XMIyM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUYlj7XMIyM youtube]

          • parnel

            No can you………it seems the Tory war room has bought the rights to publish all their garbage in the newly managed SUN newspapers.
            Heres one of your heores:
            This is the same Brian Lilley who, yesterday morning, implied that Iggy had spoken falsely about receiving a public education in Canada, and who seems to have spent the hours since rewriting the piece so he could maintain its sneering tone in the face of contradictory evidence. Being QMI, we'll never get a retraction out of him. But if anyone has the dough to threaten legal action, looks the Channel Ezra will be ripe for plucking. Gross factual errors here there and everywhere.

          • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

            You keep introducing different subjects after denying evidence and facts. This pattern of yours is tragic.

            Did you refute any points with links outside Liberal partisan websites? No

            Clearly you have consumed the kool-aid and talking points are yours.
            You deny Statscan and Census links on religion, immigration. Too funny.
            You deny a non-partisan study about the Anatomy of Liberal Defeat.

            You refer to a Liberal MP blog and the official Liberal website for your evidence as fact.

          • parnel

            No koolaid here………I see Harper for what he is as do 70% of the population. That's consistent and you cannpt fac ethat so you hide behind the ignorance that you call stats. You'd be a great candidate for the Troy censu job.

  • JFlemelin

    Yup. And in the mean time, non vital infrastructure like municipal potable water infrastructure, healthcare, highways, bridges, etc., are all falling apart… Add to that the destruction of the long form census, the restriction of media access to federal employees, unprecedented restriction to information access, a complete refusal to protect Canadians abroad (I'm not talking about Khadr here, although I'm more than uncomfortable with his situation), and a refusal to be a leader in green tech which the large majority of economist (if not the totality) expect to be the one of the highest growing economic area worldwide in the coming future with China, the US, and Europe investing billions and eventually trillions in green tech… We are looking at one on the most incompetent (and dangerous) government in Canadian history. And if we held elections tomorrow hey would still win!!!! Granted, Ignatieff doesn't inspire confidence, but anything is better than this…. We need to wake up.

  • Blacktop

    ""truly fiscal" and "hands off". You sure as hell aren't talking about politics. Masybe that's the way the PTA work.

  • Paper Chase

    Arenas and other recreational venues are not infrastructure. Money would have been better spent on updating the energy grid. This government does not think things through, that's pretty obvious. Not knowing the details of these recreational facilities, who can bet that it is certain riding's and more affluent neighborhoods?

  • HMMR

    First, I am not a conservative, but i need to defend the spending on rec. I remember back in the Lib's day, when they spent infrastructure money fixing up the Saddledome in Calgary. Even as a liberal I was stunned at this. If they are going to spend the money on sports infrastrucure at least do it on amateur sports, where the payback in a healthier society may be realized. There is always going to be extreme pork in all of these types of programs and unfortunately it will not matter which party is governing. All one can hope for is not too much, and some benefit longterm for the buck.

  • Erik

    While in general I not against some spending on public projects like highways, water treatment plants and other public infrastructure. My gripe is the $223 million tagged for so called develop of broad band services in many areas. First off the industry is fanatically busy and very competitive, so why millions have to spent to cover a few area's that will be covered by private funding in the next few years is beyond me. Simply put there is no down turn in this part of the economy. The federal government all ready spent millions a few years ago for the B.R.A.N.D projects to do the same thing. Saskatchewan will not receive funding because it was determined that satellite service was adequate and the province was covered. This is the same service that is available any where in Canada! So the question is if the service is available nationally and is considered good enough to eliminate funding then why should anyone receive any funding?

    While our company has expanded rapidly with private financing the applicant in MB is on their 3 trip to the public trough. The rush to spend the money that in most cases is not needed has created a feeding frenzy to get “free” money. To make matter worse, in the rush to spend the money, the rules for funding have changed on the fly several times. This does not even being to address the issues with over charging, manufacture kick backs and the fact that millions will be spent to build private networks for the winner of the hand outs.

    If the Feds what to improve service simply have Industry Canada provide some low cost licensed frequencies that the industry can use so they can provide a better quality service then is possible with the present unlicensed frequency most suppliers are forced to use.

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