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Scott Reid Maverick Watch

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:52pm - 0 Comments

On at least a couple of occasions over the last 15 years, the census has been a subject of debate in the House. In 1996, Deborah Grey moved a motion that sought to make “Canadian” a recognized ethnic origin—see here, here and here. In 2005, Bill S-18, which dealt with the release of census records, was debated and passed—see here and here. During debate on the latter, Conservative MP Scott Reid offered the following observation.

Mr. Speaker, I want to follow up on the suggestion that the long form be made voluntary. One concern I would have if that were to be done would be that people would exclude themselves on a non-random basis, which means that the data collected, while still true of those who filled it out, might not actually be representative any more of the population as a whole.

People are selected right now on a random basis for the long form. Given the very large number of Canadians and given that these forms are intended primarily for the purposes of data that is aggregated into very large areas–provincial levels, whole metropolitan areas, or national data–I wonder if we could simply reduce the number of people who are required to fill out the long form.

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  • Kevin

    He will be sent to a re-education facility.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

    Scott Reid has ABSOLUTELY no credibility, he is just visiting and attacking Harper to gain power . We know he neglects his job as MP after all, he has suthored and published TWO books! He is a flippin air-headed academic with a MASTERS degree. In what …. RUSSIAN HISTORY!!!!

    He hasn't a clue about how democracy works… from his web site
    Scott Reid has held five Constituency Referendums, in which the voters of his riding
    indicate how they would like him to vote on important pieces of legislation.

    Also from his web site:

    Scott Reid: TRUE Conservative for HONEST Government

    Would it be possible for him to take a more direct shot at Harper?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

      "In what …. RUSSIAN HISTORY!!!!"

      LOL!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

        Scott Reid: Just Visiting
        Scott Reid: Not a Follower
        Scott Reid: Puffin Poo on his suit

    • hosertohoosier

      Wow, Scott Reid is a unitarian AND a vegan. So he hates Jesus and farmers. You've got to be suspicious about the whole best dressed thing too.

      • hosertohoosier

        Oh wait, he was second place in worst dressed. He's okay on that front.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/doug_rogers doug_rogers

    Mr Reid: stay away from crowded bus stops.

  • Olaf

    How did this expert-hugging, basic-statistics-understanding, elitist hack weasle his way into the party?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

      He wore overalls to the nomination meeting.

      • Olaf

        Subterfuge or dress code?

      • CAPS

        Which he bought from Giant Tiger.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

          We call it the GT Boutique

  • Dave

    Hey look! Scott's neighbour Cheryl supports the census changes, citing the protection of personal information and privacy concerns.

    That's a refreshing change. She must have passed with flying colours at the re-education facility.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

      Actually, I really am becoming very nervous that those two stories are connected. As bergkamp said five hours ago, "The name is almost Orwellian, can there be such an office as privacy commissioner and who's interests are it protecting." Yesterday, it was "All these departments and their privacy laws are just a good way to increase bureaucracy because no one is allowed to know what others are doing."

      See, without privacy laws, Cheryl Gallant and every government department can share data for Conservative fundraising and anything else. You all remember this, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4LtYMNl4yw

      • hosertohoosier

        Here is to hoping that Harper backs down on privacy laws, and makes Tony Clement into Goldstein.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Open_Democracy Open_Democracy

    Why is it then that national political surveys taken of less than 2000 households are considered to be generally accurate to within less than 5 percentage points 19 times out of 20? While the households selected are random, those who take the time to actually answer the pollster's questions are likely the same people that will take the time to fill out the long form census voluntarily which should give statisticians results that are no less accurate or am I missing something here?

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    • practical mom

      Here is a really good explanation:
      http://www.ottawacitizen.com/columnists/trust+cen…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok Sean

        Excellent piece. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

    • Chris B

      Option B (you are missing something) – the pollsters have statistical techniques to (a) weight data and (b) compensate for selection bias.

      However, we cannot apply this technique to an 8 page questionnaire, since much of the technique actually derives from the aggregate long form data.

    • John D

      You can better examine response bias if you have census data to compare it to.

      • harrylimelives

        great article. Now i can see why Harper prefers to produce unreliable data — it proves his point about stats that go against 'his gut feeling/ie. the party's pet peeves' and it will limit the ability to track his results. Apparently he likes playing chess against blind people.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    Now Helena Geurgis will have someone to play cribbage with

  • Anon 001

    This is a 5-year old comment. Given that Scott Reid would be first in line for the Jay Hill job or the Speakers job, you can be sure that he'll support any and all Harperian brainwaves.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    I predict the next initiative of the Harper government is to wipe clean Hansard, citing privacy concerns, of course.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

      I think smearing Sheila Fraser and/or discrediting, undermining and slashing the budget of the Auditor Generals's office has a higher priority

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Halo_Override Halo_Override

        Eating kittens is for the encore. I've underestimated Harper's showmanship all this time.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    And not far behind – telling the public the names of the General Officers commanding the Armed Forces will be an invasion of their privacy – and the locations of the wars that this government will wage in future will be withheld on national security grounds!

  • Krojac

    Reid, whose family owns Giant Tiger is known as the "invisible MP" in the Frontenac and Lennox and Addington part of the constituency. If the issue is not Senate reform he is out to lunch.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MostlyCivil MostlyCivil

      Or buying container loads of Pheonix Coyotes beachtowels and weird coloured solar lawn lights…

  • Dee

    Cheeky.

  • Sara Mayo

    Mr. Reid is WRONG when he says that census data is primarily aggregated into large numbers (national, provincial or CMA statistics). In fact, the most useful and widely used census data is at the micro-level, neighbourhoods, wards, census tracts, even dissemination areas (which are often just 3-10 city blocks). The fact that census data is available at such low levels of geography is what makes census data so unique and can't be replaced by polling data.

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