Advice for parents of “big kids with even bigger problems”

Gail Parent on boomer parents and how to kick a 28-year-old out of the nest

by Kate Fillion on Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:20pm - 0 Comments

Q: Why do parents feel impotent in these situations?
A:
The basic line is, “I can’t kick my kid out.” They want to, they just don’t have the guts to do it. When I talk to my friends on the phone, it’s, “My son moved back home, and I’m going crazy.” This is why you have to discuss a timeline before the kid moves in, and age is relevant. For a younger adult who’s just graduated, six months is a reasonable length of time to get a job and a place. If the child is 28, though, it should be, “In a month, you’ll have to leave.”

Q: In 2004, some U.S. researchers looked at what kind of support parents give their children aged 18 to 34 and found that, on average, parents contribute $2,200 a year over that 17-year period, to cover education, housing and other costs. That’s a lot more than in any previous generation. What’s going on here?
A:
The kids feel entitled and the parents feel obligated. Often there isn’t a clear separation—this is my money, you have your money—even if they’re living in separate places. This is a big change, I think. When I finished college, I wanted to be out on my own, alone. My parents didn’t want me to have an apartment in a bad neighbourhood, and so they offered to pay part of the rent for a better apartment. I refused—it seemed too babyish. But today kids expect help and the reality is that they don’t have the opportunities we did. It’s maybe the first time in history when your kids will likely not have the same standard of living that you do. Of course, we want that for them and feel guilty they won’t get it, so a lot of parents wind up giving their kids money. They want to rescue their kids from economic reality.

Q: You think it’s a mistake, full stop, to loan money to your adult kid. Why?
A:
If they need it in the first place, they’re going to have trouble paying it back, and there will be resentment on your side, that you haven’t been repaid, and on theirs, that you’re expecting repayment. Resentment rips families apart. If you can afford to, give the money as a gift, don’t loan it.

Q: That same study I mentioned earlier on 18- to 34-year-olds found that about half were receiving a huge amount of time assistance from parents: averaging nine weeks of full-time, 40-hours-per-week help a year. What kinds of time-consuming demands do adult children make?
A:
Often they want child care help, and sometimes the grandparents aren’t the backup in case a babysitter quits or gets sick—they’re on the front line, because of the economy.

Q: What kinds of problems occur then?
A:
You do have a different point of view on how to raise a child than your parents do, and this can lead to conflict: you drop them at your parents’ house and then are upset to find out they’ve made them say prayers, for example. I just heard last night from somebody who sent her darling daughter to stay with her grandparents for a week, and they cut her hair, which she considers a total violation. I agree that when you get your kid back, she should have all her hair on her. But you don’t want to yell at the grandparents, who might then say, “Well, get somebody else, then.” So there are power struggles. You really can’t have two alpha females trying to be the boss of one child, and this is what can happen when children depend really heavily on their parents to provide child care. Of course, some grandparents are dying to be asked. I have a friend who won’t go out on the weekend, on the off chance that her children will ask her to babysit.

Q: What other kinds of unpaid work do adult children expect?
A:
Many male adult children go through a divorce and because they never learned how to do things for themselves, their mothers act as surrogate wives, fixing up their apartments and so forth, right down to the silverware. Other adult children want help with errands. I know an adult child who’s left home and is working very hard, whose mother picks up prescriptions, takes clothes to the cleaners—and pays when she picks it up, too.

Q: So essentially she’s a personal assistant who’s paying her employer?
A:
Exactly. The mother’s attitude is, “I can do these little things for her,” but it’s time-consuming. The adult child feels entitled because her mother doesn’t have a job and seems to have time on her hands. If the mom has never worked, she’s essentially been a personal assistant the child’s whole life. I think in some cases it’s a two-way street: the mother still wants her job, she doesn’t want to be fired as the personal assistant.

Q: Do you think this generation is more selfish than yours was?
A:
I know they are. In my generation, once you left home, you just did not expect or often even accept money from your parents. Today, that’s the norm.

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  • New Generation!!

    Our generation are people who grew up in the recessions of the 80s and 90s – many in the factory towns that got hit the hardest, like me. You grew up in the biggest boom in world history – you didn't even have to graduate highschool for a decent job. And then you have the nerve to call us spoiled,selfish, feeling entitled, and lazy when we're floundering in debt and struggling to get on our feet. Its like putting salt on a wound.

  • Sheena

    Nice to say today's generation is "selfish". I wonder where they could've possibly gotten that from? Possibly the generation that raised them. =/ Kids learn from their parents.

    • RobAnthony

      My beef with these inter-generational arguements is that they often just turn into finger-pointing, blame-shifting mindsets. (not you in particular Sheena, but the general attitude is bubbling up)

      My Dad has complaints about his parents generation, my generation complains about his, and chances are my kids will have all sorts of complaints about me and my generation. The way I see it, the preceeding generations screwed many things up but they also got many things right. When I look into the situation the boomers grew up in, I'm not so sure my generation would have reacted any differently.

      (continued…)

      • RobAnthony

        A while back I was listening to a podcast where Michael Enright read an essay where he essentially said "my boomer generation has left a mess of a society behind, but look at all these bright young faces, it's up to you to clean it up and I think there's hope because you're all so smart". Does he plan on dying tomorrow, or is it just too hard to make a change when you're older? …An older generation saying "you'll have to fix our mistakes", and a younger generation saying "we are weak because you raised us this way".

        Taking the long view, the generational lines start to blur and it looks like this society is simply ours to make of it what we will. Us being anyone who's living in it.

  • Alternatives?

    Although if you have a child at home at 28, you're going to have a cycle of dependency there some how. Seek help for both parties. One of my friends lives at home at 26 for several reasons: 1) doesn't want to waste money renting, would rather save then buy. 2) Parents have addictions and appear to be unable to function without some help by the child. 3) Child is reluctant to leave them on their own. Those reasons are very different. Perhaps sometimes the free food wins out over the dependency issues. But it is not always laziness, incompetence or greediness that keeps a child at home. Even if it may appear like those are the reasons, the child may have his or her own narrative and stories (reasons) that justify their presence at home.

  • Alternatives?

    Continued.. "There are many psychological, financial, physical and social dynamics that keep kids at home longer than expected. Perhaps too there's a cultural expectation that the parents will take care of the kids and their kids, but that someday, the kids will repay this. We have that expectation too: we are launched by our parents, and then pay taxes for the rest of our employed lives (probably the next 45 for me) to support those who are older than us. And as the system becomes more strained, I suspect more and more of us children of boomers will be caring for our parents in 20 years. So to the "newly married for the second time" woman who replied on Macleans online, I say "well, your very educated 23 year old is having trouble coping. She'll come round eventually if you've done your parenting job right, If she doesn't and you have to kick her out, she'll be fine and launch well, but don't be surprised if she's reluctant to support you later on without at least making it very clear the sacrifice for 25 years that she'll be making to support you later on." I have little patience for selfish parents who failed previously to ensure a little toughness in their kids…but parents also have to recognize that 16 years of school does little to help us survive in the "real world"; there's a culture shock period. Yes the Boomers created our world. We have no choice but to live in it.

    • RobAnthony

      On the topic of kids not being prepared to move out on their own, I would just like to add that after a few years of living on my own I had learned the lessons of household and financial management pretty well. Now whenever I'm living with roommates I feel like I'm finishing the job their parents didn't do. So many fellow 20-somethings don't seem to have ever had to clean up after themselves or not wake the house up at 2AM on a workday, and a thousand other thoughtless habits. I think I'll have a headstart when it comes to raising a child of my own, having had to raise so many other peoples grown children, heh. (to be fair I was once just as clueless)

      • RobAnthony

        (continued)
        I think that my parents sort of went along with the materialistic flow of the times and wound up spending most of their time working so there just wasn't a lot of time or energy to teach us much. I think we learned more from the TV, unfortunately. Though now my Dad seems to want to teach us a bit about cooking, hindsight perhaps has him feeling under-involved. I believe that if we didn't get an ideal situation, we must simply take matters into our own hands. To get stuck on the shortcoming of our parenting can often just foster a sort of victim-mentality which so often only keeps one stuck in a rut. Our parents were human, so why not forgive their shortcomings and get on with it?

        • hosertohoosier

          The census has some interesting data on the regional distribution of this phenomena by city: http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/a…

          A lot of the cities at the top of the list are in Southern Ontario (Toronto, Oshawa, and Hamilton are the top 3). My unscientific ogling of the data suggests a few factors that tend to make cities higher on the list. I think economic growth is a big one – people in areas that have undergone a slump (for instance, auto/steel industry towns) seem to do poorly. More prosperous parts of the country – like Alberta, Saskatoon and Edmonton, have done comparatively well. Real estate prices may be important – Toronto and Vancouver certainly rank high, but there are other places that don't fit that trend. For instance, Victoria is actually low on the list despite being (I believe) Canada's most expensive city. Immigration is probably another contributor, since they are more likely to embrace extended family structures.

          It will be interesting to see what the data shows in the 2010 census… certain government decisions pending.

  • Guest

    Well Baby boomers have only themselves to blame as to why their adult children either can't leave home or
    move back home…..it was that Baby boomer generation who didn't care as the cost of buying a house
    outstripped the average wage AND when college tuition went up so high it is ridiculous.
    What is happening is that we are now in a new model of families of all ages and stages living together for
    years like people do in India and China and other places where a family together has a higher standard of
    living than each one owning their own place (even if this were possible financially.)
    Baby boomers have to remember that until it is cheap to own a house and cheap to go to college that
    THEY have helped create this new way of all generations living together. Maybe it won't be so bad when the
    Baby boomer parents need their 'kids' to care for them in old age and then the kids inherit the house.
    For the ones without a house to inherit they are screwed big time..
    Poor families have lived together for years so what? Baby boomers helped create this new poverty
    model because of collective decisions governmentally, economically, and socially that have resulted in
    over priced real estate and college prices. Suck it back Boomers because you are
    reaping what you sowed. Your kids aren't moving out any time soon. Live with it.

  • SpenBC

    We are the sandwich generation. Aging parents needing care on one side and adult children who refuse to grow up on the other. It sucks to be 50! Thank goodness for a decent paying job to keep up. But my retirement needs attention as well. Who will look after us when our government pensions go under!

    • Guest

      No one is going to look after you except yourself. New reality coming down the pikes.
      Gen Y knows this already.

      • Scott in Nanaimo

        These are things that many parents have tried to tell their children. The problem is the children not caring as it is "just dad talking about hard his life was. Blah Blah blah. Leave me alone, I have almost hit level 97 on my video game."

        As you said, we may not remember it all now but chances are our parents did try to impart this knowledge to us, many times we were just too silly to listen.

        • Patrick Flannery

          No one gets the job he wants out of university. University dictates how far you might go in a career, not where you start. LJ needs to man up and put his time in washing cars before he gets to sit in a cubicle and watch YouTube all day. Why would anyone hire LJ when he has not shown he can hold down a full time job for any longer than a summer, if that? You have nothing to offer, LJ. There is no reason why any contributing member of society would have any respect for you at all.

          Boo hoo, housing is expensive. Ya, well, so are the vodka Red Bulls LJ is throwing back out with his friends every night. If LJ can't afford the rent where he is, he should move somewhere cheaper. I'm in London, which is not a small town, and there are lots of places here a person could afford with a minimum wage job. Yes, they suck and they are in crappy parts of town. That is where people live when they are young. That is why they want to work hard and move somewhere better. At least they do if Mommy and Daddy aren't fluffing their pillows every night.

          • yyzlgacdg

            I agree with much of what the author has written, and I do in part think the reason many young adults aren’t ready to leave the nest is a result of their “helicopter” parents who raised them. However, we can’t just throw around the word recession and not take a deeper look at how it’s affected their behavior and the environment they’re living in.

            There are a lot of bright and well-educated twenty somethings eager to start their careers but due to a lack of well-paid entry jobs, it’s difficult for them to get their feet off the ground. Companies are cutting back more than ever and all they have to offer are three month unpaid internships. These internships barely provide any insight or training, and entail more administrative work than anything else.

            I think poor parenting has something to do with it, but the onus should also be put on CEOs as well as the government who hasn't done anything to stop them.

            For more on unpaid internships, check out this article in the Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/business/03inte…

  • One2work

    The article is good, but the comments are better, more insightful!

  • Maureen

    Parents need to take a close look at what they are actually doing to the children they allow to live at home. I have two friends – single women after divorces – each with a 26/27 year old son living at home. The sons are working – kind of – but they spend a lot of their earned income on toys (video games, new computers, iPhones, etc.), eating out and their cars. The mothers like to have them around, but at the end of the day the sons are really just surrogate husbands. They can pretend all they want that the sons are contributing to the household (very little and very irregularly), but they enjoy having a male around without having to deal with a husband. I don't know if it is sick or not, but I don't think in the end it will do any of them any good. At some point, the sons will find a girlfriend and will move out quickly or move her in (and that will not work); and the mothers will be left to deal with 'alone' issues on their own.

  • Johathan

    If you raise an a$$ don't be surprised when he stinks.
    Parents who don't raise their kids to be self-sufficient end up with kids who are not self-sufficient. Is that a surprise? No, just common sense. BTW: A collage degree will not confer self-sufficiency. You cant buy education, it takes personal effort on the part of the parent to instill pride and work ethic into their offspring.

  • jessica

    This article upsets me and offends me. I do not believe I am entitled at all. I hate taking money from my parents. It's not a pride thing for me, it's a respect thing. My parents are in their own debt. They are not responsible for helping me get out of mine, OR am I looking for help.
    I am a fulltime university student. A mature student, a little older at 25 years. Even in the spring/summer term I have chosen to take on a full course load. I have two part-time jobs. I rent an apartment where 80% of my income is spent (then there are bills- internet, phone-no tv, hydro, and with whatever is left, groceries which I wish I could say were a healthy array of items in canada's daily food guide).
    If the university I'm attending was closer to my parent's home I would rent out my old bedroom. I would much rather have my income go to my parents to help them out. Currently, I am in $35 000 in debt. This will grow as I go into my final year, and then go on to my goal of an M. A.

  • Elrick74

    OK……….. Well she is talking about dual income educated people not the majority of people here, that said she is a ignorant selfish @#$%. I left school and home at 15 and when I did come back I paid rent, my mother was a single parent. The boomers had all the breaks and all the opportunities my uncle lived at home and my grandparents paid his tuition and living expenses for 7 years of engineering school. My mother had a grade 11 education she started at $1/hour in 1973 by 1985 she was making $16/hour that's 16 times starting wage in 12 years. I started at$6/hour in 1993 I would be making $96/hour with same wage growth!!!! Sure they paid 21% interest in 1982 but their house is worth between 8 and 20 times what they paid for it!!! So you resent us for being lazy and selfish(LOL) fine when you finally retire in 15-20 years and want us to support you with 75% of are taxes for health care and CCP, guess what? YOU CAN GO @#$% YOUR SELVES. As for having kids it takes money to do that and we have none so SURPRISE!!! WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM SO STOP ASKING WHY WE NEED ALL THESE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE WE WILL STILL BE WORKING FOR MINIMUM WAGE OR UNEMPLOYED BY THEN AND SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE AND RETIREMENT!!!!

  • Dreamfilm

    Are you a parent with your kids back home (or maybe they never left)? Are you an adult choosing to return to your parents' home? We'd love to speak with you and hear your stories for an upcoming documentary. Please email dreamfilm1@gmail.com

  • Patrick Flannery

    Some people in this comments thread really aren't getting it. Here's some excuses I'm seeing thrown around.

    1. Little Johnny isn't working because he can't get the job he wants.
    2. LJ is living at home because he can't afford rent.
    3. LJ is living at home because that is what people used to do before World War II and still do in many parts of the world.
    4. LJ is living at home because he never learned how to take care of himself independently.

    Not one of these passes the laugh test as a reasonable excuse for anyone over the age of majority living with their parents like a giant, swollen baby.

  • Patrick Flannery

    This isn't the early 20th century, nor is it Saudia Arabia. Who cares what people do elsewhere, much less in the distant past? In North America, kids move out and get their own places once they grow up. We built the best countries in the world using that system, so I see no reason to go backwards. Especially since the theory that kids can't make money or afford housing is completely bogus and at all odds with the real costs of labour and housing.

    Grown kids live at home because they can't take care of themselves and they can't take care of themselves because they never leave home. Where does the circle end? LJ is a young man with nothing but energy, no matter how cleverly he hides it when he is hung over. He needs obstacles, not assistance. Yes, he is liable to do stupid things and yes, he is liable to get hurt and into various kinds of trouble. What he will probably not do is die from being forced to look after himself the same way everyone over the age of 40 was.

  • http://www.willmatheson.com William Matheson

    Man alive, where do we begin?

    Even making one's bed is a little ridiculous: http://www.cracked.com/article_18595_6-slacker-be…
    … you should only make it after you change it.

    Education is more expensive than ever. Everything's more expensive than ever.

    You know our generation is more selfish than yours? Really?

  • YoungandIndependent

    It is really irritating hearing this woman speak so poorly about young adults moving back home. She wrote in such a biased manner, and honestly, it was offensive, rude, and closed-minded… and I'm not even a parent with a young adult at home or an adult living at home! She forgets that sometimes, it is for the best. That people have different situations and nothing is wrong with that. I just hope in her old age, she isn't a poor, helpless lady living on the street since obviously, my young generation will be paying for her health-care, pension, ect with OUR tax money, yet she seems terrible reluctant on people helping eachother.

  • Andy

    Yeah, back in the day it never happened.

    Riiiiiiiight

    I think that, if anything, this has to do with people marrying later. Anyone heard of couples living with oarents?

    Besides, I hope the article will appear on how to make mother-in-law NOT to move in

  • Lisa

    Actually, pre-WWII, and still today in many non-Western-European cultures, many couples and families do live with their parents. I think a part of the reason couples are marrying later is that it takes so much longer to get stable enough to be ready to begin one's own family, whether or not that involves children.

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    On the ride home today, I was listening to CFRA and they were interviewing a mother who had been in line at the Apple Store in Rideau Shopping Centre since 4:30 this morning, waiting to buy the new iPhone 4. Why? Here's her answer: "My 14-year-old-son has had an iPhone for three years and he loves it, and he really wants this new phone for the video capabilities."

    Got that? 14-year-old-kid wants a new iPhone, and he wants it NOW!!!

    Twenty years from now MacLeans will probably be doing a story on that same mother, and how she makes her 34-year-old son's oatmeal and butters his toast each morning before he heads to the rec room to smoke dope and watch cartoons. It will make for a nice feature article on the "new reality" of extending adolescence past the age of 30. And of course, she'll still be paying the monthly bill on his new iPhone28.

  • hosertohoosier

    Hey, the boomers wanted to make 60 the new 30, and it looks like it happened. Be careful what you wish for!

  • MTB

    Accepting help from parents is not necessarily a sign of immaturity and dependence. Sometimes, it's the opposite. For me, the feelings of entitlement existed when I was younger and resented my parents for not having been there for me the way I felt they should've been. Back then, I refused everything from them, because their persistent offers of money felt like (and in all likelihood were) efforts to buy their way out of guilt—and dammit, they deserved to feel guilty for what they did to me (sarcasm). It was when I grew up and realized that nobody has perfect parents and that I had to take responsibility for my own life that I developed the humility to accept a small amount of money from my parents–just enough to help me go back to school. I don't feel entitled to that money–except in the sense that all my siblings have received much more so I do feel on some level that "it's only fair." I feel grateful to come from a family that has the money to help, and I hope that I may one day end up with enough financial security that I can pay it forward to somebody else. Yes, I could be bloody minded and make more sacrifices than I already have and go it alone, but what's the point?

  • Kate E

    Love the idea of a finance class.

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