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Calling London

by Aaron Wherry on Sunday, August 8, 2010 11:27am - 0 Comments

Last night, he drew a crowd of perhaps 400 to the market square in downtown London. After an eight-hour bus ride from Ottawa he was not quite electric on the stage, but he waded in before and afterwards and shook hands and posed for pictures and marvelled at a bobblehead likeness of himself that someone had brought for him to autograph. Inside the market he talked garlic imports with two gentlemen from the agriculture federation. Before boarding the bus he stopped to talk with a group of pensioners who wore matching t-shirts calling for changes to the Bankruptcy Insolvency Act.

This morning he is on the back deck of a handsome house in a well-appointed suburb near the university for a lucrative fundraiser ($250 per person, $400 per couple). The men are in button-up shirts and slacks, the women almost all in pearls.

After dinner out last night with his wife and a night’s sleep, he was slightly smoother here, despite a little light rain that started to fall just as he started to speak and a sound system that was subsequently spotty. Finally ditching the microphone, he was compelled to carry the words himself and seemed to find a flow, maneuvering between the census, education, skills training, unemployment, the renegotiation of public health accords in 2014, home care for the elderly and pharmaceutical coverage.

He took the scene and the setting—”The life on this deck is not possible in other parts of the world.”—to call out for equality, unity and diversity. And from there it was a contrast between division and discord on the other side, compassion and common cause on his. Canadians, he said, are sick of the strife. “They want something bigger. They want something wider. They want something more compassionate,” he ventured. “Let’s get this ceiling off—this lowered ceiling that Stephen Harper has put over the country.”

Then it was back to brunch. And now the bus is being loaded. The Comber Fair beckons.

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  • Silly_Walks

    If this backyard belongs to a former president of the Liberal party, I've been there!

    • Mike Moffatt

      Me too.

      In fact, oddly enough I passed the Lib bus on my drive to work this morning.

    • Crit_Reasoning

      Doug Ferguson, I assume?

    • London Liberal

      No…not Doug's house. It was someone else's place…

  • TheFreeTrader

    Its too bad the commentator does not identify who he is talking about. I found it honeyed up making it an obvious political discourse pro Liberal, anti anything successful, as in stable government.

    • xxxx

      Agreed. You never know who is going to come across your posts – you should probably mention who you are writing about.

      • Stewart_Smith

        its in the tags, kinda like a scavenger hunt

    • criselis

      I thought the booblehead gave it away.

  • Emily

    I like what he said at the end….the lead-up, and then '“Let’s get this ceiling off—this lowered ceiling that Stephen Harper has put over the country.”'

    Absolutely! I'm tired of being told we're hewers of wood, and drawers of water….and that the fanciest thing we ever do is to frequent Timmies.

    • hollinm

      Emily…..like Wherry you must be drinking his bath water. If you think he is winning everybody in the crowd then you are living with rose coloured glasses on. Of course unless the crowd is only made up of Liberals.

      What policy did he announce? What vision of the country did he espouse. Lifting the ceiling? What does that mean in practical terms. It sounds great but obviously you ate it up. What does he propose on taxation? What does he propose on foreign policy (other than bromides)? How would he manage the environment? Cap and trade? Carbon tax?

      In other words he is doing what other politicians do. Talking in general terms and of course bashing the other guy.

      • Emily

        Why do you read in things that aren't there?

        I said I liked what he said. I'm allowed to do that you know.

        And why on earth would you think a bus tour where he's meeting people and attending BBQs etc would be any kind of place to announce detailed tax policy?? Or foreign policy?? Or environmental policy??

        We can't even get that stuff out of Harper right in Parliament!

        • hollinm

          Emily……Ignatieff is supposedly trying to connect with the "people". He needs to tell those that he meets what his position is on a variety of issues. That is what they vote on. Not rhetoric that means nothing. Bashing the Conservatives maybe good for the Liberal base but for those who came out to listen to him and who do not support the Liberal party they are interested in substance.
          He can travel the country and go to all the flea markets he wants but when the election comes they will be no further ahead on knowing Ignatieff and what the country would look like under his leadership.
          You are perfectly entitled to like what he said just as I am entitled to disagree with you and him.
          If you don't know where Harper stands on taxation, foreign policy and the environment you are not listening. Try it sometime rather than attacking him personally in every post. Try focusing Emily on policy.

          • Emily

            He's doing so, in a casual way and with talking to people or answering questions….but it's no place for detailed policy statements. He'd do that in a speech at the Canadian Club or something. He's given policy speechs before.

            Please stop claiming this falls short of your high standards. Harper did exactly the same thing. LOL

            And after four years, nobody in the country knows where Harper stands on anything….he seems to make it up as he goes along.

          • OntarioTown

            Why the double-standard? Harper didn't announce policies until the 2005/6 campaign was well underway.

            Harper never, ever came into my town to meet the people. Why the double-standard?

          • hollinm

            OntarioTown…..never let it said that a Liberal has a short memory. Still talking about the 05, 06 campaign are we.

            Since I dont know where you live I have no idea whether what you said is fact or fiction. However, it does seem during a campaign the parties do go cross country.

          • frobisher

            Perhaps, then, we should flash back to the snapper of ought 8, where there was no policy from the CPC at all. Instead there was a lot of denial of reality (see Recession, "if we were going to have one it would have happened already", or Investment, "I hear it's a good time to do so"). Of course, that seems to the the 'going-in' position with which the party faithful will man the barricades next time out: "Facts! We don't need no stinkin' facts."

            Assured decisions from an ever expanding gut.

          • OntarioTown

            Whoa – another double-standard. This is too funny, especially since we hear over and over and over again about 13 years blah, blah, blah.

            LOL

        • criselis

          Yeah hollinm – what do you think it is – a caucus meeting where policy and a vision for the country is where that kind of thing is expected! Get with the program.

          • hollinm

            criselis……how else do you connect with people when you have the opportunity to speak to them. Talk about things that matter to them. However, Ignatieff is terrified of his own shadow so anything he does say is filled with so many ands, ifs or buts it doesn't matter. That's why the media by and large ignore what he has to say. Typical Liberal bromides and platitudes that they have perfected over many years.

            Now perhaps it is you who should get with the program.

          • Jenn_

            Why, hollinm, I was sure you hadn't been to see him even the once!

            How many times have you been out to hear him?

          • burlivespipe

            Hollimn, Put the tinfoil back on, and add a mask while you're at it. Harper has done all the same things you knock Ignatieff for and more so, but he's your dog. Just don't mind when people crinkle their noses after getting a whiff of yours…

          • criselis

            I know this is a little late but…..

            So there is no misunderstanding – I don't see a lot of difference between Ignatieff and Harper. So I won't be voting for ether. Especially since I don't live in the ridings they represent. How I long for the day of proportional representation. I'll just have to console myself that at least my vote gets the party I support – what is it these days – $1.95 a year. But I digress.

            I know sarcasm is a tricky thing in this format. I was simple trying to point out that Harper at the recent caucus meeting had an opportunity to say something substantive to Canadians and he didn't. I was just pointing out the double standard. I mean I could have pointed out how Harper never goes out and meets with Canadians except in well managed circumstances.

      • NorthernPoV

        OK, from the disadvantaged-position of an opposition-leader-on-the-summer-circuit, there are two choices:
        1) Announce some detailed policies (that the media will ignore in favour of horse-race commentary) and wait for the Harpies to spend lots of their war chest to twist your words against you while they re-spin any ideas that might have some traction as their own….
        or
        point out the basic difference in how you approach things.

        Hey – Harper emerged from hiding this week and said NOTHING. Methinks the kettle is casting aspersions on the pot.

        • hollinm

          NorthernPoV……..As I said to Emily Ignatieff is trying to connect with people. Talking in generalities and bashing the other guy may appeal to the Liberal base but it does nothing for those that do not support him or the Liberal party. They are interested in knowing what an Ignatieff leadership would mean for the country. That requires specifics.

          Ignatieff can run and hide on policies but that will not help improve Canadians perception that he is a weak leader. He has to have the courage of his positions and convince the broad section of Canadians that he has the answers. Otherwise they will stick with the status quo. Remember Harper has the job. Ignatieff wants it.
          As I have mentioned previously I cannot understand the communications strategy of the government. Having said that, it is not Harper's fault if the media cannot organize themselves and ask serious questions. Really Oliver asking about the horse race and Akin asking about funding for a play. No wonder Harper doesn't take the media seriously.

          • Emily

            The previous has been a paid political announcement by the Con party of Canada.

          • hollinm

            Emily…..of course this would be a response from someone who has nothing meaningful to say but to personally attack the Prime Minister of the country every chance he/she gets.

          • Emily

            Oh….Harp make that illegal too did he?

          • hollinm

            Emily….no it is not illegal but it sure shows the vacuuousnees of the Liberals on this board.

          • Emily

            Well since I'm not Liberal it shows nothing of the sort.

            Being anti-Harper isn't the same as being pro-Liberal you know

          • Jan

            Do stop whining.

          • hollinm

            Yes Emily do stop whining. It is unbecoming.

          • Emily

            And dump the 'continuous campaign mode' thingy. We aren't in one.

          • hollinm

            Emily…..I have not talked about the "continuous campaign mode" thingy. I am simply suggesting that the Lib leader when he gets to speak to "ordinary" Canadians and wants them to vote for him he needs to put some meat into his speeches. Yakking about Harper does little to help his image or his credibility.

          • Emily

            You have campaigned every day I've seen you on here. And you continue to do it even now.

            He's not making speeches…he's talking to people.

            Same thing as Harper did on his bus tour.

          • hollinm

            Emily….talking to people? Its all one way. Usually a conversation is two way. He is making a stump speech in every location. Ask Wherry if you don't believe me. He is sick to death of the speech by now I am sure.

          • Emily

            No, he is talking to people, they are talking to him.

            The same thing happens on every bus tour, including Harp's.

            Why does all this have to be explained to you?

            How long have you lived in this country anyway?

          • hollinm

            Emily…..you appear to be getting angry. Mellow out. It will all work out in the end with a Conservative majority government.

            By the way I was born and raised in this country whether its any of your business or not. Were you?

          • wilson

            ''..They are interested in knowing what an Ignatieff leadership would mean for the country. That requires specifics….''

            Yes, if he was running to win government.
            But he's not, Iffy is running to win an 'alternative (coalition) government.
            Iffy and Jack will be co-leaders, should the coalition seize government.

            Most Lib supporters accept that, even welcome it.

          • Emily

            No leader of any party would run for a coalition. They run to win. Where do you come up with this stuff?

          • Jan

            From the talking point guide. Where wilson gets everything else.

          • hollinm

            Jan….deal with the substance of Wilsons point. Cat got your tongue.

          • hollinm

            Emily…..Have you been reading the news lately. Chretien said lets do it and Warren Kinsella confirmed that high level talks are taking place regardless of what is being said publicly. Try to keep up Emily.

            That is the only way Igantieff could potentially become PM. He will not and cannot do it on his own.

          • Emily

            They were talking about a merger, not a coalition….they've been talking about a merger on and off for years, but it hasn't happened.

            If they wanted a coalition they could have one right now….could have had one months ago in fact. That's been rejected.

            They each run to win on their own. Coalition-talk is just Con hokum.

          • hollinm

            Emily….they did talk about a merger but also talked about a coalition. Of course Ignatieff rejected the subject but the fact remains it is going to be a major issue in the next election.

            Canadians did not much like the last attempt and with the Conservatives "harping" in the next election that another Conservative minority will result in continued political instability, grandstanding and not much getting done it will be a powerful argument particularly if Ignatieff's leadership polls are still in the toilet come the next election.

            If there is someone who deals in hokum it is you.

            By the way if you don't support the Libs then you must be an NDPer. Why not spout the NDP rhetoric. Oh, I know nobody is interested in what Layton has to say.

          • Emily

            They had a coalition deal under Dion….because of what Harper tried to do.

            Iggy repudiated it…so it's over with. End of discussion.

            If we have another minority, it may become a topic again….but there is nothing but Con hot air involved now.

            No, I'm not an NDPer either….I dislike both the right and leftwing. They are both crazy.

          • Orson Bean

            So your political views could be summed up as "I hate Harper"?

            If that's the case, is there anything that you're actually in favour of? Or have you not really gone beyond simply hating Harper?

          • Jan

            It's encouraging to see a little realistic assessment of Harper coming from you, hollinm. I noticed you sneaking a bit into your posts lately. Harper's got to be in trouble if devotees like you are starting to have doubts.

          • hollinm

            Jan…..the communication strategy has been an issue for me since 06. However, I have to pick one of two men who wants to be PM. I have to think about their policies etc. and then decide.

            Since Igantieff flip flops from one issue to the next or simply disavows things that he has said I have to believe he really doesn't know what he is doing and therefore does not have the leadership skills to run the country. The other thing that bothers me about Ignatieff is that he was away from the country for 34 years and therefore did not contribute to helping solve any of the issues that the country faced over those years. In fact he sat on the sidelines and sniped at the flag, francophones and our peacekeeping efforts. So on that basis he is disqualified from being PM of the country in my mind.

          • Jan

            More talking points. I wish the Cons would hired some creative talent so we wouldn't have to sit through this same crap posted everywhere on the internet.

          • hollinm

            Jan….is that the only contribution you have to this board is accusing people of using talking points. Its insulting and childish. Address the comments or not accuse people of using talking points. Its silly. We all know the Libs never use talking points don't we?

          • Holly Stick

            Who cares if Ignatieff lived out of Canada for years? Harper has been living in Fantasyland for years and he's finding it more and more difficult to leave.

          • hollinm

            Holly Stick….If you don't understand the point then you are truly lost in the Liberal la la land.

          • Holly Stick

            Harper was the one who kept going to the Americans and telling them what a rotten country Canada was. Ignatieff never showed that kind of contempt for Canada.

          • OntarioTown

            Gosh, like we've never heard Harper and his bunch bashing the Liberals or Ignatieff, on a daily basis with demeaning ads, etc.

            Why the double-standard?

          • hollinm

            OntarioTown…..maybe you have seen ads on the Libs/Ignatieff recently but I certainly haven't. Like I say you are still fighting the old battles. However, I guess it is hard to dispute the effectiveness

            On the other hand the Libs have tried to create one faux scandal after the other with the vast majority of Canadians ignoring them. The Lib. leader has disappointed his party, caucus and Canadians with his lack of political skill and leadership capabilities. I suspect when Ignatiefff loses the next election the Libs will be happy to put him back on the bus back to Harvard.

          • OntarioTown

            Whoa, another double-standard – get back to your instructed notes where guy.

            Harvard? Are you not aware that it is not uncommon for employer to hold a position open when a candidate runs – the first time Ignatieff ran, if he didn't win he'd go back to his old job. He did win and that job wouldn't be open.

            Example – Shelley Glover's job is being held open for her

            Double-standard again folks.

          • Poopypants

            "Talking in generalities and bashing the other guy"(um…isn't that what politicians do?) I agree with you that he needs a solid platform if he's going to be successful, and I think his bus tour is part of that. He needs to do two things with this tour: he needs to find out what issues matter to Canadians across the country in order to build a platform that resonates; and he needs to establish a positive presence at the local level. It will take time before we can judge the success of his campaign, but he's doing a good job of keeping the message positive. He's also getting free local coverage on the evening news at every town he visits.

          • Out There

            Talking in generalities and bashing the other guy may appeal to the Liberal base but it does nothing for those that do not support him or the Liberal party. They are interested in knowing what an Ignatieff leadership would mean for the country. That requires specifics.

            Harper has never run on specifics. He's always run on "leadership". What specific policies (other than his "tough on crime" policies) have the Conservatives put forward?

            The goal of the Liberal summer tour is for Ignatieff to meet more Canadians and (presumably) get them to like him as a person. As to whether this will succeed – I don't know; I've never met the man.

            Having said that, it is not Harper's fault if the media cannot organize themselves and ask serious questions. Really Oliver asking about the horse race and Akin asking about funding for a play. No wonder Harper doesn't take the media seriously.

            The problem here is that "the media" isn't a single entity – some journalists work for pro-Conservative organizations, and some don't. Harper deliberately chose media representatives who would lob him softball questions.

            A "press conference" that is only limited to questions from friendly journalists isn't a press conference – it's elaborately staged theatre.

          • hollinm

            Out There……the conservative friendly media are certainly in the minority. Are you suggesting that Akin is in the tank for the Conservatives? Have you read any of his columns lately or seen him on TV? With a friend like that you don't need many enemies.

            The same holds true for Oliver. He is no Conservative patsie.

            Are you suggesting that never in the history of the country did a PM asks questions of "friendly" journalists. Not knowing how the reporters are picked I am not prepared to agree with your point.

            My issue was not who was asked but there was only 4 questions. Two English, two French.

          • burlivespipe

            Hollimn is a weak agent of CON-fab war room. He keeps pointing out his own leader's foibles thru lame riposts. Pass it on.

  • wascally wabbit

    As many yawns on the bus as out here?

  • hollinm

    Ignatieff….electric? Wherry must be drinking his bath water.

    • Stewart_Smith

      2 comments and no Mystery Bus comment? I would have thought it was the impostor except for the classic bathwater grammar!

  • wilson

    ''…Canadians, he said, are sick of the strife. “They want something bigger. They want something wider. They want something more compassionate,” he ventured. “Let’s get this ceiling off—this lowered ceiling that Stephen Harper has put over the country.”

    LOL, the sky's the limit, eh.
    I can't wait to see the costing of the next LibDipper election platform.

    Sounds like a Jack Layton rally, doesn't it.

    • Emily

      No, it sounds like Iggy talking to a crowd in London…and nothing was said about money.

      Visions and aspirations aren't budgetary matters.

    • Jan

      Well, with Harper we sky's the limit on no bid fighter plane purchases. Sky;s the limit on the building of prisons when crime rates are on their way down. And don't get me started on Tony Clement's spending to tart up his riding.

      • Holly Stick

        And they are still trying to buy votes in Quebec.

  • Philanthropist

    Liberals created the divide and bribe strategy with ethnic groups – is Iggy saying he wants to change that? No, he's not. That's why he wants government intrusion like the census, so they can pigeonhole a group and pay off a leader to keep that group in line to vote for more corruption.

    • Emily

      That's just absurd. If you're going to campaign on here at least TRY to stick to the truth.

    • OntarioTown

      ………sigh

  • Calgary Junkie

    So where is Iggy going with this tripe ? My best guess is that we will see a replay of Dion's announcement near the end of the last campaign–elect me and I will convene a panel of experts, who will come up with a plan after 30 days.

    It's pathetic, but what else has Iggy got ? He's prorbably too afraid of specifics, given how the Libs got burned by thegreenshift.ca

    • Anon 001

      What has Harper got to offer? You know, besides lame dimwitted talking points and people like you peddling them.

      • Holly Stick

        Be careful not to hurt Stockwell Day's feelings. He's upset that not enough Canadians are buying the Conservative talking points.

      • hollinm

        Anon 001….when you have nothing positive to say people like you resort to the old talking point line. It is stale and really childish. Try something different. Why is it with your lefties you can't accept the fact that other people might have a different point of view which comes from their own heads. Of course we all know it is only the Liberal point of view that is acceptable right?

  • Calgary Junkie

    "Advantage Canada", first introduced by Flaherty in 2007, and still a work in progress-put in place a National Securities Regulator, lower corporate taxes to 15 %, lower trade/labor barriers, etc. More free trade deals with other countries. Then there's criminal justice legislation from Nicholson. Senate reform. Just to name a few inititiatives off the top of my head.

    Rae and Brisson are supposedly developing a platform. But then one year ago, during the EI-360 kerfuffle, Iggy "told his people" to give him a platform, But I don't think we'll see one. Iggy's best stratgey, IMHO, is to offer up this kind of tripe. I think a detailed platform would be a mistake. So he's on the right track.

  • Observant

    Iggnatieff's visit to London was uneventful … but his visit the next day in Chatham-Kent down the road was explosive since his candidate Pickard withdrew from the race because he is facing criminal charges. What's significant is what Iggy told the Chatham Daily News reporter:

    "These are things that bother Canadians and they're looking for an alternative and we're going to 10 provinces and three territories to give Canadians that alternative," Ignatieff said.

    When asked how the Liberals can give Canadians an alternative without an election, Ignatieff responded: "You'll see."
    http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/ArticleDisplay.asp…

    Has Iggy let the coalition cat out of the bag with his "You'll see." remark which is suggestive of a resurrected Coalition Troika Junta come September ..???!!!!

    YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, FOLKS ….!!!!!!!!!

    • parnel

      Another nutbar dream from you.

    • Anon 001

      He's talking about what he's doing, not a coalition. Besides, if Harper is defeated in a no-confidence vote, the GG will call an election. The coalition concept only works right after an election, not two years after.

      • hollinm

        Anon 001…….yes that is true however it takes a lot of planning to try and steal an election. That is why Jack and Gilles were plotting a coalition before the last election.

        The only way a coalition will be accepted by Canadians is if Ignatieff and the Libs win more seats than the Conservatives.

        Don't ever doubt that Ignatieff is hoping beyond hope that is the result of the next election. Given his leadership polling numbers I don't think it will happen but elections are strange things and unexpected things do happen. Even a Conservative majority government could happen and that would drive the left out of their minds.

        • NorthernPoV

          Trying to re-spin this ridiculous "Observation", you just dig a deeper hole into the muck of re-writing-our-constitution-via-the headlines-and-opinion-polls. Just cause it worked once, doesn't mean it will if there ever is a next time.

          If Iggy had balls, he would today be the PM leading a coalition gov't that would likely have overcome the negative perception it started with by providing good gov't – instead of the keystone cops social-harridans we've endured since Jan 09. (It worked well for the Liberals and the people of Ontario in the eighties – and Peterson had less seats than Miller.)

  • OntarioTown

    Mercer has a knack of putting things the way they are in a few words – from his twitter:

    Harper takes 4 questions in 31 days. I have dead relatives that are more communicative
    Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:08:38

  • Richard Westgae

    I have never understood how Ontario voters could ever have elected Mike Harris twice. TWICE! Once I could forgive, but they knew what they were getting the second time around. I had similar befuddlement when the US elected George Bush twice. After reading these posts, I begin to understand how people can vote for Stephen Harper time after time. I still don't understand why, but it has something to do with simple black and white blunt policies to answer complex soul-wrenching issues. Push stuff under the carpet, don't ask the difficult questions, block your ears, throw 'em in gaol and throw away the key; culture? who needs it! On and on. It is said we get the government we deserve. Oh God I hope we don't get the government some of these comments deserve!

  • Anon 001

    The second time for Harris, they had Dalton McGuinty's first campaign. Let's just say it didn't go well. Harris was gone and done two years after this victory.

    The Democrats put up wind-surfer and bike-rider (and Iggy-lookalike) John Kerry against Bush in 2004. Even then, Bush won by about 2.5% of the popular vote, the narrowest ever for an incumbent re-elected President, with 286 EVs (required to win is 270).

    Can't blame the people when the choices are between BAD and WORSE. The Liberals put up Stephane Dion the last time — how can you blame Canadians for choosing Harper?

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