John Parisella

John Parisella

John Parisella writes about U.S. politics from his vantage point as the former Delegate-General in New York City for Quebec. Follow John on Twitter:  @JohnParisella

On the ‘mosque’ at Ground Zero

by John Parisella on Monday, August 23, 2010 12:38pm - 0 Comments

Wanting to grasp a firsthand understanding of the debate surrounding the Park51 Muslim community centre (a much more accurate term than a mosque), I visited the site and was greeted by two young pro-mosque demonstrators arguing in favour of religious tolerance and First Amendment rights. They were articulate, passionate, and answered all my questions. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a leading supporter of the project, would have been proud. Gradually, opponents began to show and peacefully voiced their displeasure with the project. Meanwhile, some of the faithful were praying inside the existing building.

I then made the two-block walk from the Park51 site to Ground Zero. Let me point out that, from the site itself, there is no direct view of Ground Zero. Even once constructed, there would be no direct view of Ground Zero, even from the roof. When you walk to the closest intersection, heading west to Barclay street, you arrive at a corner where you can see construction cranes at Ground Zero. It is at this point that you grasp the proximity of the proposed project and you can better comprehend the opposition to the project. But you can also readily understand the dilemma facing not only New York City, but all of America. The issue is no longer local and it may even have global ramifications, as people everywhere have come to be interested in how the battle plays out.

The debate has heated up recently with Barack Obama rightly intervening in defense of constitutional principles and values, New York Governor David Paterson trying to find a compromise between constitutional rights and the sensitivities of 9/11 victims, and politicians from both major parties trying to seek political advantage or political cover. The spectre of Islamophobia is now the subject of numerous newspaper articles and magazines covers. Polls are showing growing opposition to the community centre, both in the country and in the city, and some individual construction workers have voiced their reluctance to work on the site. Union leaders, dealing with an anemic economic recovery, are avoiding all comment, but there’s a clear discomfort.

The promoters of the project have every right to move ahead, but their opponents seem to have the edge in organizing a resistance that may not be in the spirit of the constitution, yet is legitimate in its own way. Supporters are correct to argue that the War on Terror is not meant to be a war against Islam and it was not Islam that destroyed the twin towers—it was Al Qaeda, using Islam to justify terror. But having spoken with those who lived through 9/11, it is clear the wounds have not healed. To many who lost loved ones (and some were of the Muslim faith ), Ground Zero is sacred shrine. Some remains were never found.

Obama, Bloomberg, Republican Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, and many others including prominent local faith leaders are on the right side of this issue. The U.S. has gone to war and lost so many loved ones in the defense of liberty and the values that emanate from their Constitution. But sometimes time has a way to lessen the pain and open the way to a reasonable accommodation—a familiar term to Canadians—or, better still, understanding and acceptance. A recent article in the New Yorker related how some American Muslims feel about the growing controversy. The views were not unanimous. Some fear the controversy is being used to prevent the building of other mosques elsewhere in the United States, while others are concerned about extreme statements by mainstream opponents like Newt Gingrich, who clumsily compared Islam to Nazism. Many see it as a test of acceptance and integration within the American mainstream of life.

Maybe it is time for an old-fashioned time out. The solution should ultimately be local and possibly incremental. For instance, the project could be repositioned as an interfaith community center with a mosque included and construction could be delayed until the memorial at Ground Zero is completed on the 10th anniversary of the attack. Such a proposal would be consistent with the basic Constitutional principles that allow the project to go forward and may help solve the dilemma at Ground Zero.

[John Parisella is currently serving as Quebec's Delegate General in New York City]

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  • nickisuz

    This Quebec Delegate should keep his Canadian opinions to himself. Besides, who asked you?

  • nickisuz

    "Islamophobia" ………Mr. Parisella, did you just invent that word?

  • PreachJohn

    Far more incendiary posts than MrPitch wrote are here for any to read. I read and reread his post carefully. He lived for a time in Muslim lands. What did he promote but a concept that he perceives as truth, as do most of us.
    On what possible grounds is MrPitch's post expunged?
    Perhaps I'm missing something in terms of your rules and regs?

  • MrPitch

    Why did you remove my comment Mr. Administrator? Did I assume wrong when I thought McLeans promoted freedom of speech. Are you afraid that such a comment on a McLeans website would draw retaliation from muslims? I don't think I said anything vulgar about anything or anyone in my comment. I simply stated what I thought about islam, the way islam views the West and vice-versa and what I think americans ought to do in response to the muslim threat.
    You could at least have the decency and courage of stating why you removed my comment.

    • PreachJohn

      Tho' your 1st post is expunged, please see my Reply to it, which still exists. And please see my post in full support of your very erudite and piercing comments.

  • Latino

    I believe this mosque should not be allowed anywhere in the country. Do Muslims let other faiths to openly practice on their countries? Other religions are suppressed. We should stop being stupid and open our eyes. Educate yourself about the danger of Islam. There is no place in this world where these people are and chaos they bring to those countries. This is not about racism; this is a national security issue. I am not American and I don’t care what happens there but the danger Islam brings to the world is clear. Read the Koran and the atrocities taught there and only after that you people should comment.

    • Aberhart

      "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.It's saying they will feel better upon getting vengeance, doing the same that was done to them: killing their babies by dashing them on the stones."
      Psalms 137:9

      • A_READER_

        Good example to point out, during these times Aberhart, see this is from the 'old testament' and since Christianity went through it's reformation a while back, well they don't believe or do this stuff anymore. It's considered old teachings not in keeping with the modern world.

        But perhaps they can be a big help for the Muslims to reform the koran, seeing how they've done it already be great experience to draw from.
        Glad to have helped.

        • Style

          Is that why Christians are so cool with homosexuality now? Because it's only condemned in the old teachings?

          • A_READER_

            Doesn't seem so;
            However they are not hanging in the streets like in Iran.
            Or like beheadings in Saudi Arabia.

    • John D

      Yeah I bet you read the Koran…

  • A_READER_

    So why do you have such an interest in furthering the interest of this particular mosque?
    It was largly an attack on America and Americans.
    Americans of many stripes died that day as well as Canadians – 26 I beleive.

    No one has ever claimed 'it was just Christians or just American Christians' where'd you get that from?

    The mosque is not a symbol of peace IF Americans are not comfortable with it there.

    • Amit

      A_reader_ I dont believe I claimed that anyone said is was just christians either I simply wanted to open the eyes of the few who don't realise that other religions and were attacked. These extremists of religion are in all religions, and use religion as a tool for their mass murders. belonging to islam, or any other religious group and wanting to practice your religion in a holy place is not a crime neither is building a mosque. If you think by stopping these muslims from building there mosque is gonna be a great step in stopping the war on terrorism and extremism, then you should wake up!

      • A_READER_

        Oh please, stop trying to be the victim or deliberately obtuse in this.
        YOU stated in your comment ... during .the 911 attacks it wasn't just American Christians killed that day…
        HELLO – This is what you started your comment WITH -??

        ok, if you can't follow that try this:

        It's not about any "other" religions being attack – really that's just warped to think so IMHO.

        It's about an attack on American soil against Americans and in two other places as well as in New York.
        Americans were attacked that day, it was an attack on America by Islamic extremists.
        Since that day, islamic extremist have attacked in Spain, London, Balix2, Beslin, India and etc.

        Islamic extremists kill anyone they can, that we all know that so why are you just addressing "the few who might not know" in a sub thread? Think they're reading this far in?
        Islamic extremism declared war on us, which camp are you in?
        Note: NO OTHER religion is killing in mass, globally like Islamic terrorists are doing today.

  • JamesHalifax

    Amit wrote:
    "A mosque is a symbol of peace, a haven to pray, relax, and wish good upon others."

    Actually, Amit….mosques outside of the United States are more often than not used as a good place to store weapons, hide terrorists, and utilize as high ground for Islamic snipers and gunman.

    A symbol is just that….a symbol.

    Unfortunately, the reality is far different.

    • Amit

      James where are you getting this from?

  • http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ Open_Democracy

    In George Orwell's 1984, Big Brother constantly bombarded both Party Members and the proles with propaganda that distracted them from the real issues of the day. Is it possible that elected officials in the United States are using this story to distract the masses from the fact that their economy is on the verge of collapse?

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

  • John D

    Anti-"mosque" protesters converge on a black man (who is not Muslim), one tries to start a fight, and others yell "Mohamed is a pig:"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4&fe…

    • PreachJohn

      Thanks for posting the link. I watched it. Yes, one low life tried to 'start a fight'. But you conveniently left off mention of the two individuals, plus the tall security type who also intervened. And the friendly conversations he was engaged in later in the clip. And that the black man, wearing headgear worn by certain Muslim denominations, himself said, 'No, nothing happened!'.
      Sounds like sensationalizing, muck raking to post this video, without a balanced comment.

  • http://www.lethbridgerealestateblog.com lethbridge realtor

    I really don't care personally about this issue, but one would think that those behind this idea are really not using common sense or actually inviting controversy and trouble upon themselves.

  • Jack, Hamilton

    Dear Mr. Parisella,
    I'm not sure exaclty how ignorant you are but if you know anything at all about Islamic history and how this faith was spread by the sword, and how non-Muslims are 2nd class citizens (at best) in almost every majority-Muslim country, you would understand why people aren't too enthusiastic about Muslim victory shrines going up near ground zero.

    The people protesting against the mosque are on the right side of the issue. The onus is on you to justify why you would gamble with the lives or our children and grandchildren and help curse them to an Islam-dominated future by pretending there's nothing wrong with this religion.

    Islamaphobia? Sure, anything else? Is there cancerphobia? If they are successful in taking over, little collaborators like you who like to affect an air of tolerance towards that intolerant creed will likely be the first one amputated when they bring in Shariah law.

  • R. Craig

    Two points:

    1)-what would the reaction be if the National Rifle Association held its annual convention in the auditorium of Columbine High School? It seems to me to be the same scenario with the WTC "mosque"; while not all Muslims are terrorists, not all hand guns, etc. are used to murder people.

    2)-the entire issue may be moot, as according to an article in the Daily Telegraph, the group wanting to build the mosque has less than $20,000 thus far; whilst they may obtain more money from other sources, it is not an encouraging start for would be developers.

    • MarkA

      Also they only own half the site.

    • Style

      Watch the Daily Show from last Wednesday or Thursday. It runs Charlton Heston's speech from the weeks before the NRA held its annual convention a short distance from Columbine High School.

  • MarkA

    Nice try, the cartoons were not published by MS media in the US. And comedy central censored south park. Thanks for dropping in though.

  • Gibbs

    The assumption that all Muslims are terrorists is absurd.
    It's similar to assuming that all Catholics are child molesters.
    Or that all Germans are genocidal anti-semites.

    Just because an item belongs to a group does mean that the group is defined by that item. This is called reason.

    • A_READER_

      In the world today not all muslims are terrorists
      BUT
      All terrorists are muslims.
      Just a small or tiny portion they say to me…

      GIven the 1.5 billion Muslims globally – if only 1% of that is radical – do the math.
      Islam needs a reformation in it's teachings as the Christians did.

      • Gibbs

        All terrorists are muslims? Really? what about Maoists, ETA, Chechen seperatists, LTTE, just off the top of my not so formidable head.

        Sounds to me like you may be equating the word "Terrorist" in your head as "Muslim".

        That, I think, is the underlying problem that has been brought to the forefront with this whole Mosque debate.

        Islam is not the problem here. Ignorance is. Ignorance on the side of Islamic extremists and ignorance on the side of narrow minded xenophobes – the likes of whom try to compare an entire religion with the nazis.

        • A_READER_

          Googly the words – was written by an Arab Muslim

          The groups you mentioned above primarily target a certain group within their vicinity, or their 'government' or the country next door, not world wide.
          You know this.

          IRA and LTTE do not attack the rest of the world – randomly nor as excessively as islamic terrorism does.
          I do equate terrorists with the muslim belief system, as I know this by their actions and their words.
          Never say ALL Muslims, that's usually the readers assumption.
          I usually use the wording 'muslim terrorists' or 'muslim extremists/radicals/fundamentalists'.

          GIve me all the labels you like won't make the facts any different, ignorance within and about Islam is the problem here.

          • Gibbs

            My xenophobe comment was aimed at the many of the people I've seen at the protest site with signs like "Mosque = Hamas" etc. not at you.

            And i do agree that ignorance within and about Islam is the problem. (not just Islam though..)

  • Canadian in US

    I agree that they have a constitutional right to build the center there.

    But don't tell me that this center is meant to be a 'peace symbol'.

    Any person with common sense would understand that it is a provocative move to build a symbol close to a site that was demolished because of a terrorist act that was so-called inspired by the same symbol. If the builders REALLY intended to reach out to the community to broker trust/peace/tolerance/faith, they would move that building ASAP regardless of their right. People who want to build bridges reach out by refusing to offend, being empathetic, and being conciliatory.

    But they have not moved and are stubbornly staying there despite causing more re-offense to the original victims of 9/11. (And yes, we are talking about some Muslim victims who also have written to voice their opposition to this project). Which leads me to believe that this is more of a symbol of triumph and poke in the eye than it is a gesture of building trust between communities.

    They can definitely build their mosque there. But it symbolizes anything but peace and building bridges.

    • Guest

      Most sensible thing I have read so far.

  • Nickisuz

    Democracy……a concept envisioned by idealists……but it is an experiment that will never work. Excessive tolerance and political correctness will be our downfall.

  • Nickisuz

    We've got cartoonists and writers deathly afraid to express themselves for fear of offending those who practice Islam, while resistence to a Mosque being built on this site is seen as racism.

  • Marina

    911 was very emotional for everybody, especially family members. Therefore don't build the mosque. Would a Japanese Shinto shrine be built beside Pearl Harbour? Would Westeners build a church near ground zero in Hiroshima?
    It's not about religion, otherwise no mosques would ever be built in the US. It's about consideration of the feelings of those who lost their families and friends. Common sense. That's all.

  • estelle

    Wanting to build a mosque at or near Ground Zero is insensitive to say the least. While I realize that the bombing was an Al Qaeda operation., a lot of people associate it with Islam & the Muslim faith. While the two are not the same, the Al Qaeda fanatics practiced the Muslim religion & professed their deed was in the name of Allah. There must be other locations in New York equally suitable for the location of a Mosque.

    • tommyJoe

      So stupid . Forgot the constitution estelle ?Get a life .

      • Guest

        Tommy, I don't believe that Estelle said it was unconstitutional to be insensitive, just – insensitive. And considering the violence that is routinely unleashed by Muslims across the globe when they feel that Islam or Mohammed is being treated insensitively, I think posts such as yours are more than a little disingenuous. Look it up, stupid.

        • tommyJoe

          It is time to stand up for what is right . Guest,you are being an apologist .

  • Tomwindsor

    Let them build it with all the crazies and fanatics in the US they should be standing in line to blow it up.

  • Karim Walman

    I find it quite amusing that ALL religions think that they are the "right" religion and the other religions are "wrong." There are extremists in ALL religions. All this propaganda of falsehood in the news and soon every stupid person on the street will be believing all the propaganda being (intentionally?) spread by few. If you think YOUR religion is so good, please go and dig into your scripture and see what it says about the non-believers. We human beings are the worst animal – emotions that controls the prefrontal cortex is a very dangerous is a very dangerous weapon – it can cause great harm just like it did in Germany, Zaire, Bosnia, etc.

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  • at school

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  • Independent Thinker

    Muslims were made scape Goats . May ALMIGHTY GOD punish those who created enmity with Islam & created 9/11 massacre to defame Islam.
    Watch out for perils from GOD : Thunders, Lightening,earthquake.
    Thank You

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