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The Harper government and the Insite flim-flam

by Paul Wells on Monday, August 23, 2010 8:47am - 0 Comments

Many of the comments under John Geddes’ astonishing story about the RCMP’s protracted attempts to make up new “facts” about Vancouver’s Insite safe-injection centre suggest readers are having trouble understanding what, precisely, went on here. And the reaction from other news organizations — there’s been none — suggests our colleagues prefer to believe there’s nothing new in the story.

And yet Geddes lays it out with crystal clarity. What’s at stake is not a simple matter of opinion about whether injection sites are a good idea. It is (1) an exhaustively-documented attempt by elements in Canada’s national police force to create a bogus “academic” argument against Insite. Then (2) an attempt by senior RCMP officers to reverse course and atone for that burst of academic vandalism. And finally, (3) a decision from the RCMP’s highest echelons — or from someone in government outside the RCMP — to stifle the belated atonement, instead letting the sham record stand. The first part of that story has been told before. The rest is new, and devastating. Let me try to walk you through it.

• Since Insite’s opening in 2003, Health Canada bankrolled a bunch of research into the centre’s effectiveness. The research, appearing in top peer-reviewed international journals, showed the benefits of Insite: users of the facility were more likely to go into detox than other addicts; the number of deadly dirty needles in the neighbourhood declined; Insite nurses were able to treat infections that normally go untreated.

• But those conclusions didn’t match the new Conservative government’s rhetoric. Tony Clement called the place “an abomination.” And somebody in the RCMP went on a fishing expedition for research that would reach conclusions closer to the government’s version. This wasn’t easy. The RCMP bought and paid for four studies. The first two confirmed the peer-reviewed conclusions that Insite provides “positive impacts.” The second two, which were never published in a peer-reviewed journal, simply critiqued existing studies and offered no original research.

• The fact that the RCMP bought and paid for this un-original, non-peer-reviewed “research” was something the RCMP was at pains to hide from Canadians.  “Dr. Mangham’s report has now been published,” one internal email from an RCMP drug enforcement officer said. “As per our request, the report has no reference to the RCMP.” (These emails, and the RCMP funding of the non-study studies, have been previously reported.)

• At some point, people higher up the RCMP food chain had second thoughts about the whole bogus fishing expedition. Bob Harriman, the RCMP officer in charge of fighting the drug war in Vancouver, sent a memo proposing the wording that would be used at a joint news conference with the group that has led in peer-reviewed research of Insite’s effects. At the news conference, the RCMP would acknowledge “an extensive body of Canadian and international peer-reviewed research reporting the benefits of supervised injection sites and no objective peer-reviewed studies demonstrating harms.”

• Harriman’s proposed messaging also admits that the first two RCMP-funded studies supported Insite and the second two, which didn’t, “did not meet conventional academic standards.”

• But two days before the event, Deputy Commissioner Gary Bass, the top RCMP officer in the province, called to cancel. Julio Montaner, director of the UBC-affiliated research group that was going to hold the news conference in conjunction with the RCMP, says Bass said he had been ordered not to go ahead with the joint news conference.

The public security minister’s office now claims to have no knowledge of any of this, and the RCMP is not talking. But come on: Geddes’ story makes it clear that two deputy commissioners on current active duty know every bit of this tale.

And what the tale suggests is devastating. The only “research” the Harper government is prepared to rely on, as it fights Insite all the way to the Supreme Court, was not research; was secretly bought and paid for with federal tax dollars; contradicts the actual research; has been disowned internally by the police force that bankrolled it; and would have been disowned publicly by that police force if somebody at the RCMP’s highest ranks or outside it hadn’t put the kibosh on.

This is not mere disregard for reliable data. It is an attempt by the state to put falsehood in the place of reliable data. George Orwell wrote books about this sort of thing. Go read John’s story.

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  • Emily

    Margaret Thatcher was in favour of this kind of drug program, because it saved a ton of health-cost money.

    Our present day Canadian Cons aren't very practical.

    • Olaf

      Our present day Canadian Cons aren't very practical.

      Are you arguing Thatcher was very practical? Some how I wouldn't have pegged you as a card carrying member of the Iron Lady fanclub.

    • ex-canuck

      ask the Amersterdam city fathers. They have experience, don't they?

  • Mulletaur

    Again, the Harper government is exploiting fear without deigning to govern. They want to reduce harm reduction programs like Insite, but how many new beds in addiction treatment facilities have they funded since they came to power ? It's all very well for the Conservatives to carp about facilitating addiction, but what are they doing to help people get off drugs ? Law enforcement can't do it alone. As usual, when you cut through the noise, it's all smoke and mirrors with the Harper Conservatives.

    • BGLong

      They're all in favour of expanding treatment facilities. They're just calling them prisons. Semantics.

      • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

        Yup. They want bigger and more jails to put these addicts in. Perhaps like the Republicans, they've got corporate friends in the prison/security industry.

        • Mulletaur

          So, I'm supposed to pay taxes so Harper can build jails for addicts ? Really ? What happened to the 'party of fiscal restraint' ? This isn't the Conservative Party I know.

          • JSC

            Addicts? Plus anyone growing more then a couple of pot plants get minimum 9 months in jail.

  • s_c_f

    I don't see the big deal. Health Canada does research. RCMP is not fond of the studies. RCMP commissions their own research.

    Paul Wells calls Health Canada studies "research" and RCMP studies "fishing expeditions". Internal RCMP struggle whether to continue with research or not (one thing is for sure, cops should not be doing research, they don't know how, you cannot change direction based on the outcome, unless perhaps the outcome was simply inconclusive).

    In the end, my only conclusion is that it's really not appropriate for either the RCMP or Health Canada to be conducting this type of research study. Both should be relying on impartial research produced elsewhere, like say, in universities.

    Even if the Health Canada research showed benefits, that doesn't mean it justifies the cost. And it's also debatable what you call a benefit. Supporting the drug-addict lifestyle is not what I call a benefit or a proper use of taxpayer money.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      I don't see the big deal. Health Canada does research. RCMP is not fond of the studies. RCMP commissions their own research.

      Isn't the big deal actually somewhere around steps four and five? i.e. "RCMP attempts to make public announcement that the research they commissioned to challenge the Health Canada research actually, it turns out, BACKS UP the Health Canada research. Someone tells the RCMP to STFU about that fact".

      Also, my understanding is that some of the studies were FUNDED by Health Canada, not "done" by Health Canada. I believe most of the studies are impartial studies produced in universities. At the very least some of them are.

      • s_c_f

        I don't think the RCMP should have gone ahead with any sort of public announcement.

        It's not for the RCMP to decide what is the law of the land in the first place, their job is to enforce the law. They should not even be involved at all, in the first place. I don't care if someone told them to stop – someone should have done that from the very beginning. I think it's absurd that Wells is arguing we should have let the RCMP turn themselves into a research think-tank and make public service announcements on contentious topics. Do we have a police force or do we have another political party?

        • Jenn_

          You are correct, I think, except that since they had already sort of publicly announced one thing (through the funding of these four–particularly two studies), by not making another public announcement they are leaving that out there. If they'd never done anything in the first place, they most certainly should not speak out now. But while two wrong's don't make a right, leaving one wrong to stand for eternity in spite of knowledge to the contrary is still wrong.

          Or, in other words, why is it only wrong to correct the record, and the wrong of muddying the record in the first place can be forgiven, excused and ignored?

          • s_c_f

            I would not ignore the muddying of the record. I would, if I were the government, inform the RCMP that they will not conduct further studies (or hire others to conduct further studies), and I would prevent the announcement or publishing of any other studies currently in existence.

            I would also put the brakes on Health Canada. I think they have an agenda as well, and this is an issue of public policy which extends beyond their mandate.

          • Jenn_

            If you include in there some kind of announcement about the RCMP conducted the first studies and they shouldn't have and the studies should be dismissed because they weren't objective, and then went on to say they will not conduct further studies or make any announcements (as you've said), I think that is an entirely sensible position. Or, how did you intend to not ignore muddying the record?

          • s_c_f

            I'm a little lost on that comment, but I think it agrees with my position. I'm ambivalent about whether there is an announcement from the government about the RCMP or not.

            My position is that the RCMP should stop doing studies, and they should not finish any studies they have started, nor report on any studies they have started, nor any other activity involving studies.

          • Jenn_

            If you are ambivalent about whether there is an announcement from the government about the RCMP now, how are you not ignoring muddying the record?

            To clarify if I can, the RCMP has already released a study–or I should say a study they secretly funded with our money has been released. If you don't make some kind of public comment on that, you are leaving it in the public domain as is. By which I mean secretly funding reports until they found one (or two) that supported the RCMPs ideological position. You say you would not ignore it–what would you do if not a public "outing"?

            I agree with your position moving forward; I'm just interested in how you would deal with the past.

          • s_c_f

            As far as I can tell, there have been two studies released, as you say. They are in the public domain, and AFAIK they support Insite. What do you want to happen? The studies are public. What else is there to say?

          • Jenn_

            I believe you are mistaken. As far as I know, there were four studies–two that supported the previous research (i.e., support Insite) and two that do not. At least one of the two that does not has been released–I don't know about the other three. The reason for commissioning the second two studies was that the RCMP didn't like the result of the first two, so if it was up to them I'm sure they were not published. In any case, Clement referred to the one critical study in his 2007 comments about Insite. According to Geddes Clement also commissioned a study, and again the results were favourable to Insite. So, they've got the one critique to hang their hat on, as far as I can see. And that was done by an organization we both agree has no business commissioning studies, and done in secret. And not peer-reviewed or using "conventional academic standards".

            That is what they are leaving out on the table if somebody doesn't comment on it now.

            It really would have been helpful if you'd read Geddes piece, as linked by Paul above.

          • s_c_f

            Well, I've only read Wells' piece. Maybe I'll get to Geddes' piece eventually.

            I don't really care whether the studies are favourable to Insite or not. In fact, I think that for the most part the most important arguments for and against Insite are political and not scientific at all. I would just like the RCMP to stop.

    • wsam

      What kind of lifestyles should we be funding? Lifestyles of the rich and famous?

      How about lifestyles of the middle class and angry?

      • McC_

        "How about lifestyles of the middle class and angry?"
        SOCIAL CREDIT!

        • wsam

          That is their base.

  • s_c_f

    I would also say that Health Canada should stay out of the debate as well. Why? Because this goes beyond health, this is a public policy issue. We all know drugs are not healthy. We all know that there are additional dangers such as transmission of HIV and other diseases. The health aspect of the issue is clear.

    Whether we should be funding a government run needle giveaway is not about health, it's about treatment, and using the word "treatment' is a stretch, it's really "harm reduction". This goes way beyond "health" and Into the realm of politics. Therefore, a government run civil service department should not be getting involved.

    • McC_

      "Therefore, a government run civil service department should not be getting involved" do you have any idea how public policy is made in this country? The civil service researches and presents ministers with analysis, conlusions and advice on issues that impact, touch on or cut accross their mandates, ministers make decisions (politics!) then the civil service implements those decisions. That an issue is bigger than one department's mandate is no reason for that department not to look into it and advise it's minister, just the opposite… oh never mind, I give up.

      • s_c_f

        So you would advocate that the armed forces should be conducting research on Indian affairs? And that the RCMP should be conducting research on home care for MS patients? And that transport canada should be conducting research on heritage projects?

        Liberals like you think that there is nothing the government should not do. The government should be wall-papering our living rooms if they're in the mood, according to you.

        • RunningGag

          Liberals like you think that there is nothing the government should not do. The government should be wall-papering our living rooms if they're in the mood, according to you.

          Do you support banning drugs that the government deems to be a health risk to its citizens?

          • s_c_f

            Like heroin? Or nicotine?

            No, I don't. I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money, and I also think the war on smokers is a waste of time and money.

            I think we should leave it to the health professionals and others to inform people about what is healthy and what isn't. After that, if people want to ignore the advice and snort cocaine or smoke cigars, let 'em, it's a free country, and they're not harming anybody else. If they are harming others, then leave it to the municipalities to enforce their own no-smoking zones and bans on drug trading.

          • wsam

            Or emissions from automobiles? Or from extracting oil from dirt? What if those things harm people? What if they are burning up the planet?

            Should we just inform people that they are killing the planet and then hope municipalities will, say, ban the tar sands. I don't think that will work.

            Because we've already done that and we are no closer to having repsonisble policy on global warming.

          • s_c_f

            I'm at a complete loss as to what your comment has to do with anything said before it. Anyway, whatever, I'll respond to it anyway.

            There is no such thing as anthropomorphic global warming. So we don't need a policy on it. The earth has remained the same average temperature for a over a decade now.

            People don't want carbon taxes or cap and trade. That is why there is no policy. Simple as that. Because most people don't want it. It's called democracy.

            We have laws for murder and we have laws for not harming your fellow citizens. If we ever need a law for carbon emissions, we'll get one. But we don't, so we don't have one.

            Heaven knows what the heck this has to do with Insite.

          • Holly Stick

            "…There is no such thing as anthropomorphic global warming…" That's because it's ANTHROPOGENIC global warming, global warming that is caused by humans. It's simple physics; human activities emit CO2 which acts as a GHG to retain more heat from the sun, and the temperature of the globe goes up.

            "…The earth has remained the same average temperature for a over a decade now. .." That statement is false; it is in fact getting warmer.

            "…Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than
            the decade before it, with each one setting a new and
            significant record for the highest global temperature. At
            the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record.
            But in the 1990s, every year was warmer than the
            average of the previous decade, and the 2000s were
            warmer still…" http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/bams-sotc/…

          • Be_rad

            After posting an interesting note, scm follows up with an off topic reply to your question. An on-topic reply might have been an observation that the difference between his list and yours is that the simple consumption of drugs affects only the consumer. When that consumption affects others – second hand smoke, driving or working while intoxicated, etc… – then law has a place. Your list includes activities where the objectionable effect is what you are noting, not the activity itself. In other words, extracting oil from oil sands isn't the issue, the pollution is.

        • McC_

          "Liberals like you" it's like you looked through the words I wrote straight into my soul, clearly you know me and my politics so well, afterall, who else but a Liberal would be interested in how governments make decisions? And yes SCF, in my experience, all government-hugging Liberals believe that the ways investigating harm reduction policies/programming cut accross the mandates of both public health and law enforcement agencies is exactly like the RCMP studying home care for MS patients, they are exactly the same thing! I'll tell you a few more secrets: Transport Canada has responsibility for legislation for Navigable Waters that has environmental impacts! Furthermore, because the transport sector accounts for over a third of Canada's pollution emissions, Transport Canada does quite a bit of research, policy and programming on the environment, imagine that? when there's already a whole other department for the environment?! but as you you clearly saw through my earlier post, only a Liberal would want to know about these things so that they can make government bigger and badder and more in your face and pocket than ever, there's no other reason to understand how these things work in the present, and how they could work differently!

    • wsam

      Yes. Health Canada should not be involved in public policy. Especially not in matters which relate to keeping the population healthy. That is policy and should be dealt with by private think tanks like the Fraser Institute .?!?!?@@?@#

      Which is why this winter Preston Manning and Mike Harris will each be riding an oversized motorbikes across this great nation in order to more spectacularly distribute the flu vaccine.

  • wsam

    Why is it a problem that the RCMP is fabricating evidence in order to discredit a government program?

    That's their role, isn't it? That's what the RCMP does. It's not just musical rides and spreading lies about cabinet ministers.

    The RCMP are the sixth estate.

    • Holly Stick

      Why is it a problem? Why is it a problem that the Sun lies about polls? If enough people believe the Sun, won't their lies magically turn into truth?

  • burlivespipe

    I suppose the only acceptable 'statistical report' the Harper Cons will agree to is a Kory-Sun-o-gram poll, cooked up in some dank lab…

    • McC_

      that close to the levers of power and the poor buggers can't afford a dehumidifyer, eh? sad.

  • McC_

    you missed a step in your lettered bullets, they should go something more like:
    (a) There is research showing positive impacts from Insite, and it is peer-reviewed.
    (b) The RCMP comissioned research which found the methods and conclusions of the research (a) to be sound
    (c) Someone was unsatisfied with the conclusions of research (b) so the RCMP comissioned more research, which it is claimed, was little more than a hatchet job. The most critical elements of this research were not published in peer-reviewed journals.
    (d) The RCMP was set to admit this publicly alongside Montaner, but then backed out due to orders from some top echelon figure.

    • wsam

      Why do you hate the musical ride?

      • McC_

        horses make me sneeze, I've been lobbying for years to get Dalton McGuinty to ban everything that I'm alergic to, but so far, to no avail.

        • Olaf

          He's lacking the capacity, not the desire.

        • wsam

          My problem is I'm allergic to everything but peanuts and baked Alaska. For me personally, therefore, making all buildings peanut free has been a problem. It is hard to fit a nice Baked Alaska into your tote bag.

          • wsam

            wsam. You are a genius.

          • madeyoulook

            Your genius is only eclipsed by your modesty.

          • wsam

            No. wsam's geniousity overwhelms his considerable modesty

  • Sean

    I just don't see this as a story about the state of safe injection site research, so much as a government picking and choosing what gets shared with the citizenry. Which can sometimes be a matter of fair partisan spin, but not when it involves muzzling officials on the matter of research commissioned by those same officials. And paid for with tax dollars.

    I have no problem with a government saying their moral position on this matter is not going to be swayed by research suggesting potential beneficial outcomes from a safe injection site. But they're not doing that, and there's good evidence that lines are being crossed in their desire to see a moral stance bolstered by research. Those lines are pretty serious, in my opinion.

    • Gaunilon

      I agree with you that this is not about Insite, but rather about the government. I also agree that it's one thing for the government to make a decision on principle unaffected by statistics, and quite another to try to lie about the statistics.

      And finally, I agree with you that if the government is doing what Wells describes, that's a huge problem.

      Where we disagree is that there is "good evidence" that lines are being crossed at the level of government. I realize my comment was long-winded and not conducive to a careful read, but the overall point was merely that I don't think either Wells or Geddes have established (a) that the government was involved in this, or (b) that the criticism in the reports commissioned by the RCMP are less valid than Montaner's published papers.

      • Sean

        I should think the government would be trumpeting the contrary reports from every rooftop if they could withstand scrutiny. Aside from them being assessments of existing research (as opposed to providing fresh evidence), there are apparently a few outright errors and oversights to be found. Peer review is not a perfect process, and all journals are not created equal, but I'm more inclined to treat a Lancet article as credible than something posted on an anti-drug website. Put another way, the imperfection of peer review does not discredit the process outright, and it does not lend any additional credibility to non peer reviewed works.

        At this point, the onus lies on the government to explain what the heck has happened. Until then, ministerial involvement seems the only reasonable conclusion. If they stay silent on this, the stink will only get worse (because you'd assume they'd be just as bothered by the RCMP mucking about as they have on this file, no?).

        • Gaunilon

          " should think the government would be trumpeting the contrary reports from every rooftop if they could withstand scrutiny…." …. unless, as the government is claiming, they had no knowledge of this fiasco. In that case they'd currently be trying to figure out what the hell went on here and whether they should get involved publicly or deal with it quietly.

          "Put another way, the imperfection of peer review does not discredit the process outright, and it does not lend any additional credibility to non peer reviewed works. "

          Of course, and I completely agree that an article in the Lancet (or even a less prestigious journal) holds far more weight than something published on a website. I don't mean to suggest that the peer-review process is worthless. All I claim is that Montaner's work being published in the Lancet does not ipso facto mean that the RCMP-commissioned critiques are faulty, particularly given that this issue holds social policy consequences and is therefore subject to political bias. Wells's conclusion about "academic vandalism" is premature.

          • LynnTO

            It does not make sense to me that a department that reports to the Ministry of Public Safety and receives its annual operating budget from the Treasury Board would not inform the powers that be that a research project of this nature had been contracted and/or tendered. In particular, if such research were as politically important as what the RCMP walked into.

            But then again, that's assuming that government departments would talk to one another, which is a dubious logic at best.

          • Gaunilon

            yep, very dubious. In general, I assume that in government not only does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing, but the left hand also doesn't even know that there are two hands.

          • Mangham Hack

            http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/03/Nonprofi…

            Nonprofit Injection Site Claims Canadian Mounties Ordered Up a Defamatory Report
            By DARRYL GREER
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            VANCOUVER, B.C. (CN) – The nonprofit group that runs Insite,
            Vancouver's supervised injection site, claims the Royal Canadian
            Mounted Police commissioned a defamatory report that discredited more
            than a dozen peer-reviewed studies showing the site's public health
            benefits.
            The PHS Community Services Society claims the study written by
            defendant Dr. Colin Mangham, a critic of Vancouver's harm-reduction
            drug policy, "seriously injured its character, credit and reputation."
            The article, "A Critique of Canada's Insite Injection Site and
            its Parent Philosophy: Implications and Recommendations for Policy
            Planning," was published online by the Drug Free America Foundation in
            2007. It was republished this summer, according to the complaint in
            B.C. Supreme Court.
            The society also sued Chuck Doucette, a former member of the RCMP
            and a board member of the Drug Prevention Network of Canada. That
            organization was founded by former parliamentarian Randy White, a
            member of Canada's governing Conservative Party, which has repeatedly
            tried to pull the plug on the controversial injection site. Dr.
            Mangham also sits on the board of the DPNC.
            "Defendant Doucette slandered the reputation of Insite and the
            plaintiff by actively promoting [Mangham's article], when he knew, or
            ought to have known, it was defamatory and inaccurate," the complaint
            states.
            The society is represented by H. Nina Purewal of Pivot Legal LLP.

          • Brick Wall

            Is the political connection clear enough now, G? The Tories got one of their buddies, Randy White, to hire one of his buddies, Colin Mangham, to smear InSite

      • Jenn_

        One thing I don't think you've grasped in your otherwise fairly good rebuttal is that the second round of "research" paid for by the RCMP did not include any actual research. All they did was look at the studies already done and provide a critique of it. Which might be valuable in it's own right, but it can hardly override the research itself. I mean, since the first round of RCMP research actually researched and came to the same conclusions as all the other studies, it's a bit of a red flag that the ONLY studies that come to a different conclusion is that of studies who can't afford to let research get in the way of supporting their mandated conclusion.

        • Gaunilon

          There are different kinds of papers in scientific journals: some present new data, some present data and draw conclusions from it, and some merely draw conclusions from other pre-published data.

          There is nothing wrong with looking at data collected in a prior study and drawing new conclusions from it, and there is also nothing wrong with looking at the conclusions of a prior paper and publishing a rebuttal to the author's conclusions. Both are routinely done, which is why authors are supposed to be willing and able to disseminate the raw data on which their paper was based if so requested.

          • Jenn_

            "Which might be valuable in it's own right"

            Very true and why I said the quoted bit. The Red Flag comes when that is the only rebuttal of the research. No research rebuts prior research.

            Are you suggesting that all the prior research did not provide the raw data? If you are and you have evidence of same, that would put a different light on things.

          • Gaunilon

            "No research rebuts prior research. "

            Research rebuts prior research all the time. Just because something is published doesn't mean it was correct. The analysis could be faulty, or the conclusions could be unwarranted by the analysis, or the data itself could be wrong. All of these happen regularly.

            What I am suggesting is that there is one source for data and analysis supporting Insite: Montaner's group. There are two sources of published criticism of that analysis: Davies and Mangham (or that may only be one source, if their critiques were actually just hit-jobs purchased by the RCMP as Wells asserts). It is not clear to me that Montaner's conclusions are valid while those of Davies and Mangham are "academic vandalism" as Wells has claimed. Neither he nor Geddes provided much in the way of evidence for that claim.

          • Jenn_

            No, you misunderstand me. I'd hate to think intentionally, but I did think I was clear in context.

            Research rebuts prior research all the time! That is part of my point. Except in this case, no research could be found that would do such a thing, and when they (they being the RCMP) tried they only ended up confirming the prior studies. I can't tell from Geddes and Wells whether that research was never published because there was no point, it was published but ignored, or what.

            Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that only Mantaner's group was researching this stuff. Although, to be fair I've been concentrating myself on the cost-effectiveness of Insite, where at least one study has been conducted by other than Montaner (and, interestingly, critiqued by someone else as well. And that someone else takes issue with some of the underlying assumptions–but seems to come out with, if anything, an even more cost effective thumbs up for Insite in some cases in spite of lowering the lives saved numbers.)

          • Gaunilon

            "Except in this case, no research could be found that would do such a thing, and when they (they being the RCMP) tried they only ended up confirming the prior studies."

            On the contrary, two of the four reports, according to Geddes, were "sharply critical".

            "Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that only Mantaner's group was researching this stuff. "

            Also according to Geddes: "Health Canada provided funding to evaluate it as a sort of pilot project in harm reduction. Montaner’s centre took on the bulk of that research."

            "No, you misunderstand me. I'd hate to think intentionally, but I did think I was clear in context."

            Not only am I obtuse, but dishonest as well. Got it.

          • Jenn_

            Two of the four reports did not contain any research. Those were the ones "sharply critical". The other two, the ones that did contain research, confirmed the research conducted by Montaner (and possibly others). This is kind of the secondary major point in both Geddes and Wells posts, in my opinion, which gives rise to the assertion that either the RCMP, the government, or both are deliberately misleading the Canadian population. I can see how you've completely missed it.

            The bulk of the research equals all of the research in your world. In spite of my providing a link earlier which takes you to links of 30 or more studies, at least one of which was conducted by other than Montaner (because that's the one I've been reading).

            Yeah, I have to say you are obtuse, and/or perhaps dishonest.

          • Gaunilon

            "Two of the four reports did not contain any research. "

            Again, not containing new data is not the same thing as not containing any research. Data analysis of prior data is research and is often published as such.

            "In spite of my providing a link earlier which takes you to links of 30 or more studies…"

            If you provided a link, it wasn't in this thread. I don't know what link you're talking about.

            "Yeah, I have to say you are obtuse, and/or perhaps dishonest."

            Well then I suppose there's not much point in continuing the discussion. On the upside, you can be confident that remarks like this are a surefire way to win people over to the Liberal side.

          • mhiggins

            Why oh why does it have to be the "Liberal" side?

          • Gaunilon

            Because I was being addressed by a self-described partisan Liberal. I rarely find myself persuaded by the allure of the "you're obtuse and dishonest" argument I often encounter. Granted, it's at least half true in my case, but somehow it just isn't very compelling as a "join our cause" sort of appeal.

          • Jenn_

            No, I guess there isn't. I will, however, admit to using the word "research" when I really meant "raw data".

            I'm saddened that I can't win people over to the Liberal side (although this is nothing new), but if you think I expected to win Conservatives who have read both of Geddes and Wells's posts and STILL don't get it, you must think I'm deluded. I'm not. I'm partisan, but not so far gone that I don't operate in reality.

          • Holly Stick

            Gaunilon's ability to write well often obscures the faults in his thinking. My opinion is that he is dishonest, but it is possible that he is just too prejudiced for one side to admit what is obvious to most of us.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            My opinion is that Gaunilon is honest, and he makes some very good points here. I would suggest that just because something seems "obvious" to you and others, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Perhaps it just seems "obvious" because it reinforces your core beliefs.

          • Holly Stick

            Someon who uses the "Climategate" fraud as an illustration of problems with peer review is either dishonest or too prejudiced to have good judgment.

          • madeyoulook

            What a magnificent demonstration of Crit's point.

          • s_c_f

            My opinion is that Gaunilon is extremely honest. I also agree with Crit about what is "obvious" and what isn't. I also think Jenn is honest. In this case she has accused Gaunilon of being obtuse or dishonest, and I simply don't agree with that.

          • Holly Stick

            Yeah, but you think AGW is not happening, so you have poor judgment as well.

          • Be_rad

            Gaunilon, CR and Olaf have all demonstrated a remarkable degree of fair mindedness on many issues that reflect poorly on the CPC. In the case of this current thread, I find Gaunilon's line of reasoning perfectly correct, if a bit tenuous. I don't think he has been either dishonest or obtuse as was suggested by a partisan above. While a bit prickly, Gaunilon has never struck me as being any more susceptible to confirmation bias than those on other sides of the spectrum and has always had a defensible, logical and consistent approach.

          • Gaunilon

            CR, S_c_f, Be_rad, thanks for the kind words.

            I think that everyone on the thread can agree that honestly, Gaunilon is kind of obtuse.

          • wsam

            … And some are written in Chinese ..??!?!?!!

          • LynnTO

            there is also nothing wrong with looking at the conclusions of a prior paper and publishing a rebuttal to the author's conclusions

            I routinely did this throughout my undergraduate career. Sometimes I had a leg to stand on and other times I didn't. One professor scribbled on a paper of this latter sort that I had written: "eloquent, original, and entirely wrong." Rebutting academic arguments, I would learn, isn't just about asserting that someone's conclusions are wrong because you can find a hair to split in one place in their process. It's also about proving your point with your own rigorous analysis, and then making a cohesive and reasoned argument about why your analysis is superior.

            Along this vein, (no pun intended), I'd think it reasonable to criticize Insite and the studies supporting its existence if there were a solid foundation on which to do so – failure to account for intersecting factors, reliance on a skewed sample, etc – but we've got to set a standard. That the RCMP didn't even want their name on the critiquing studies that they paid for doesn't only suggest cover-up to me, it also suggests that maybe they don't want to be associated with work that won't stand up.

      • ex-canuck

        Your words on Peer Review were a useful contribution to what has been at times a debate worthy of the current leader of the Green Party. Those who rely on peer reviewed research must really consider whether they are truly immature dupes or plain fools. Peer review was invented by the academic/socialist/liberal crowd to enable their offspring to get published, given that the number of publications to one's credit is the main measure of an ac/soc/lib's success in life. Trust me, I know whereof I speak.

        • mhiggins

          Clearly you know nothing whereof you speak, or you do and you're an intellectually dishonest partisan conspiracy nut. If I am to follow along with your logic, I must come to the conclusion that the only good research is the research that has never been publicly scrutinized. And apparently this is because all scientists and researchers who submit their research to peer reviewed journals are partisan liberals.

          Full-frontal lobotomies for everyone!

          • Jenn_

            It is worse than that. The only good research is the research that has never been done, is what he really seems to be saying.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            This actually makes a lot of things make more sense.

            Perhaps the Tories are going to punish the perpetrators of unreported crimes because undone research says they should.

        • wsam

          You figured it out!!!! Guys, ex-Canuk has figured everything out. Literally.

          Per review is nothing but a conspiracy to litter Canadawith safe injection sites. That, and thgovenment wanting to know how many toilets I have represents a gross violation of my sexual rights and freedoms.

  • BC Blue

    So rich Paul Wells admonishing other news organizations for not picking up what HE considers news…how about Wells report on Liberal MP Judy Sgro's repayment of $100,000 in an illegal rent scheme she collected?

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      I'm trying to figure out if that thick irony was intentional.

    • McC_

      Liberals: still worse times eleventy billion

      • McC_

        dangit, sorry Paul, I did it again; that should say "times twelvety jillion"

    • Inkless

      Hush, everyone. BC Blue has a point. I haven't written about Judy Sgro's office budget, so nobody is required to pay any attention to anything Maclean's finds interesting. Because that's the test.

      • BC Blue

        "Maclean's finds interesting"…Oh my, that is just slightly arrogant isn't it?

        Maybe we could use another dozen "interesting" articles on Rights and Democracy from you?

        • DerekPearce

          Depending on how further twisted that situation gets, another dozen might not be enough.

          • Holly Stick

            What a shame Paul Wells isn't a woman (you know, a member of what Haroper calls a leftwing fringe group); then BC Blue could tell her to STFU.

          • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

            Oy Holly, we don't need to go there. I remember your rant. I supported what you were generally saying, but it was a rant nonetheless.

          • Holly Stick

            Just a reminder that this is how the Government of Harper operates. They want everyone who disagrees with the to shut up and they will take whatever measures they have to to make them shut up. And when 99.9 percent of the world tells them are making a mistake, they will still be yelling "Shut up! I'm right!"

          • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

            LOL – I agree Holly.

        • wsam

          Waaaa!!! Write stories about my enemies or I’m going to cry Waaa! again!

          Hey Big Blue. Unfortunately the Judy Sgro story will only become relevant after Peter McKay publishes his ghostwritten, steamy tell-all memoir about potatoes, the neighbour’s dog and Belinda Stronach’s $Fke B@@@ies. For that I would trade ten stories about how Canadian diplomacy is being bent to support a foreign country’s agenda.

          • BC Blue

            …quite the impressive fan base you now draw Paul

          • wsam

            More earth tones please.

          • Holly Stick

            You must be a hippie spy.

          • wsam

            You also are spy.

    • DerekPearce

      Also, have you heard Mariah might be the new American Idol judge? Why isn't Wells covering THAT?!

      • danby

        Mariah?
        Dang! I was hoping Stephen Tyler Harper would land that gig!

    • Oliver

      What does this have to do with anything that's being discussed here.
      We're talking about the RCMP, what does Sgro have to do with this issue?
      Please do try to follow a discussion, it's not that hard.

      • BC Blue

        oh my… *slaps forehead*

        • Oliver

          Listen it's not that complicated: if people are talking about an issue don't change the subject just because you don't like the issue being discussed.
          Paul is right you do have a point but that doesn't mean it's alright to behave like a child.

  • wsam

    How do you get to post such long replies? Do you work for McLean's?

    How in any way is this like the Climategate fiasco?

    Do you mean how Conservative-led groups have been fabricating evidence to discredit global warming? I agree with you that it's a travesty that pro-global warming groups and their allies, funded by private interests such as oil companies, have been making up and disseminating total crap in order to disprove scientifically-derived analysis they find inconvenient – harming the public good to advance their private interest.

    • Gaunilon

      No, I do not work for Macleans.

      It is not at all like the Climategate fiasco. I brought that up as part of the peer-review background to illustrate how the judgment of journal editors is not immune to peer pressure, and therefore can't be taken as a reliable guide for the relative worth of publications.

      • Holly Stick

        Your longwinded explanation of peer review is crap. Climategate shows that opposing views are censored? Liar. It's just a pompously phrased dog-whistle for Stupid Conservative denialists.

        "…In short, peer review is never as good an indicator of a report's quality as simply reading the report…" Bull. Then you get ignoarant blog 'scientists' misinterpreting the data to fit their partisan political agendas.

        What experience do youhave with peer review, if any, and in what field?

        • Be_rad

          Unwarranted, abusive reply with no substantive value whatsoever. On balance, between Gaunilon and Wells, my gut twells me that Wells is probably right, but Gaunilon is technically correct in what he says about the leaps Wells made.

      • wsam

        Then how do you get to post such long replies.

        I think you work for Macleans.

        It's exactly like ClimateGate because in both evidence is being fabricated to support right wing beliefs.

        • RunningGag

          If you have an IntenseDebate account, you get to post longer replies. I believe that there is a character limit to `guest` accounts.

          • Be_rad

            I still have problems getting more than three modest paragraphs in, and only wih soem fancy manipulating. That said, I find most replies over three paragraphs undisciplined, off topic and boring. Most, not all.

        • jdude

          Why does it matter if he works for Macleans or not?

    • McC_

      Regarding your first question: see Sean's reply to me on the previous page

      • Gaunilon

        Actually I posted it all in one giant, vomitous torrent of verbiage. Why the site didn't refuse it I have no idea.

        • wsam

          It's beause you work for Macleans.

          I think you are a spy.

  • wsam

    At least the RCMP used government money in their attempt to discredit government policy. If you follow the money it all leads back to the same place. Ourselves. The Canadian taxpayer. By funding attacks by one government agency on the work of another government agency, the RCMP managed to create a hermetically sealed economy. We should study the phenomena. We could learn a lot about how economies function. Publish the results in a peer-reviewed journal.

    In this scandal individual Canadians are like the two billionaire brothers behind Koch Industries, funders of the tea party and hundreds or other anti-government, anti-environment think tanks and grassroots initiatives. Stephen Harper is creating a Canada Republicans can be proud of.

    • ex-canuck

      So who says it's a scandal? You?

      • mhiggins

        Yes, him. That's why he said it.

      • wsam

        You also are a spy.

  • JamesHalifax

    Paul Noted:
    "Hush, everyone. BC Blue has a point. I haven't written about Judy Sgro's office budget, so nobody is required to pay any attention to anything Maclean's finds interest"

    To which I reply:

    Why write about something that most people take for granted. Liberals are corrupt…….

    It's not really a new story now is it?

    Same old same old…

    • wsam

      spy

  • PoliticalPundit

    Why has it taken journalists so long to blow this craziness out of the water along with the RCMP's role as well as the incessant micro-managing role of Prime Minister Harper and PMO?
    Harper has always despised intellectuals, academic, or savvy journalists who question his personal beliefs and his determination to govern by instincts (Harris called it Common Sense but it was anything but Common Sense so Harper opted to abandon the Harris slogan) rather than formulate policies and programs based on credible evidence.
    If this sort of story had emerged in the US, the media would have launched a plethora of investigative journalists to get to the bottom of the story immediately.
    I guess, it is better late than never. But – and Harper knows this all too well — the voting public has now come to side with the Harper government's spin because it requires far less critical thinking to support the government's decision to close down the site rather than having to grapple with the academic arguments and evidence demonstrating the effectiveness of the site.
    Ideologically-driven governments on the far right or the far left usually obtain and hold power by appealing largely to the uneducated or under-educated voters. Harper has long been convinced that rank and file Reformers will virtually believe in or do anything that he wants them to believe in or do – they are largely human sheep being taken to the political slaughter!
    For Harper control over mass communications is central to him and his government remaking Canada in the image of his New Right Conservative Movement. He has accomplished this control in spades thanks to the emergence of powerful the Sun Media complex.
    The Liberal Party and the NDP have no hope whatsoever in toppling the Harper minority government and taking power. Unless, that is, the leaders and supporters of these two parties craft a new centre-left "Canada Party" that uses rationalism and evidence to gain the support of a majority of Canadian voters.
    I will not be holding my breath waiting for this to happen. T'is a pity!

  • mhiggins

    Damn it, Paul! Why can't you write just one article where the comments aren't about Judy Sgro? How about a little balance?

  • NorthernPoV

    Ah, I remember well, reading Wells to the effect that Stephen Harper "should" become the next Conservative leader and that Stephan Dion "should" become his Liberal opponent.
    (The quotes around the shoulds indicate I am aware that Wells stopped short of unequivocal endorsements.)

    Well, Wells, how are you now feeling about your picks. ;-)
    not meant as admonishment, btw (I supported Dion, lol)

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

      This goes to show Paul's credence; that he isn't blindly following the CPC for the sake of following a so-called conservative ideology. He's willing to call a spade a spade; same with Andrew Coyne.

  • ErikGo

    Good old Conservatives. Can't let facts get in the way of your ideology –or you'd be liberals.

  • Holly Stick

    Paul, this story is not a new one to people who follow the governments failure to deal well with climate change.

    Remember Joanne Gelinas?
    "Canada's Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development was replaced on Tuesday amidst allegations that she was too critical of Canada's performance on climate change…" http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2007/2007-01-3…

    Remember Arthur Carty?
    "…Brison raised the matter in Parliament. "Dr. Carty was a voice of reason on climate change, stem cell research, resource management and the environment," he said. "Does the Prime Minister not realize that his attack on science is making Canada look like the Flat Earth Society?" …" http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/301904

  • Stewart_Smith

    Inspired by Gaulion's musings, I have done some background.

    The RCMP's hired gun Mangham has about 10 publications in peer reviewed journals. I say about, because the one that is most relevant to the question at hand turned out to be consider an editorial contribution i.e. it was published but it was not peer reviewed. One of Mangham's studies from 1996 has attracted significant attention with 166 citations from other peer reviewed articles. (It is a study on bone, done while Mangham was on the hospital staff there. note: it may not be the same Mangham but it looks like it is) There are two published conference proceedings on this topic from about the same time and a followup in 2009.

    Mangham's other 6 works have been published in journals such as Canadian Journal of Public Health and have attracted a total of 3 citations in aggregate.

    Montaner clearly has a large research effort. He is currently attracting about 1500 citations for his work each year and has a total of 14,000 citations. He won a prestigious (and profitable) $1mil prize as the Distinguished Researcher Award in HIV in 2002 and is currently the President of the International Aids Society.
    He is passionate about protecting vulnerable segments of society from Aids, which comes through in a 2008 interview at the Globe. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article704486…

    I trust this helps both sides since 1) it is clear that Montaner is a highly decorated, world leading researcher while Mangham is someone trained in an entirely different area of medical research who happens to have some political views on the subject. and that
    2) Montaner is an ELITE researcher, whose work is only published because his latte sipping friends are on the editorial board of every freakin major medical journal whereas Mangham's brilliant insights have been ignored by EVERYONE simply because they are brilliant and go against the medical research establishment.

    • Holly Stick

      Very well done.

    • Stewart_Smith
    • danby

      Thanks for clearing that up.
      Montaner is clearly a
      democracy,
      troop
      fact hating, interloping charlatan.

    • BGLong

      Many thanks to Stewart_Smith for a long and thoughtful rebuttal to Gaunilon and for
      generally keeping the tone up around here :)

      • Be_rad

        Hear, hear. (Here? Here?)

        • Holly Stick

          This link that Brickwall posted has some revealing emails, like the last one which talks about MPs pushing for a change in the federal drug policy: "…As we know, with a minority government, it isn't going to change overnight; but, at least we know this is what they will be pushing for when they can…"
          http://www.pivotlegal.org/pdfs/RCMPsecretlyfunded…

          Another argument against ever allowing the Harper Conservatives to have a majority government; they hate the idea of harm reduction and much prefer top increase the harm done to everyone.

          • Holly Stick

            The main thing that the Conservatives seem to object to is the idea of harm reduction:

            "…Critics, such as Drug Free America Foundation and other members of network International Task Force on Strategic Drug Policy, state that a risk posed by Harm Reduction is by creating the perception that certain behaviors can be partaken safely, such as illicit drug use, that it may lead to an increase in that behavior by people who would otherwise be deterred. There is no empirical evidence or peer-reviewed literature to support these arguments, and much to refute them.[52] Little anecdotal evidence supports them beyond the arguments and claims put forth by anti-harm reduction groups themselves…"
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_reduction

  • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

    Paul, thank you for pointing out what John Geddes was trying to in his earlier article on this topic. It's too bad that John only got 88 comments, and your supportive article only hours after it being posted has received almost 300.

    I'm glad to see the Macleans team supporting each other especially on important issues like our RCMP and government's mishandling of information.

  • http://www.increationwetrust.org Marc Boyer

    THIS STORY IS ALL ABOUT CREATING CONTROVERSY the RCMP have no jurisdiction in the City of Vancouver. Their opinion is to protect a police sate under CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT [which is the exact opposite of civilians over-seeing police] The WAR on DRUGS has no one to negotiate peace with. Its objective is never-ending unCIVIL WAR on our minorities for their job security.

  • Russell Barth

    fascism looks so much softer without the uniforms, though, dontchya think…..?

    • McC_

      "without uniforms"… don't mean to alarm you, but have you seen these? http://tinyurl.com/3xoyczc

    • mhiggins

      You realize that calling the Canadian government fascists is a type of reckless propaganda in its own right, yes? You are reacting in an extreme way that debases the potential virtues inherent in the dialectic nature of democratic politics. Your team will inevitably be in office someday (note: free, non-corrupt elections are not ususally held by fascist governments), and when they are, all kinds of stupid folks will be calling your side fascist. Don't be a sheep.

      • s_c_f

        well said.

    • Blue

      Russell Barth is representative of signifigant portion of downtown Toronto that are very comfortable in the LPC.

      • brooster

        Your point being??

      • DerekPearce

        and that kind of hyperbole shows you didn't understand the post you replied to.

      • Blue

        Until you guys understand that the leftist extremism of Russell Barth only encourages people to vote Conservative, then you will continue to be governed by Conservatives.

        • brooster

          Not that I'm from Toronto (I'm not), WTF does any of this have to do with "signifigant [sic] portion of downtown Toronto"?

  • Pele

    Did wells get his journalism degree at Carleton? Just wondering.

    Fact is, neither J. Geddes or P. Wells have any idea who ordered D.C. Gary Bass to cancel the media event. (or why, for that matter) They just fill in the blanks with their hyper biased innuendo.

    If anyone in any other occupation were to produce such crass amateurism, they'd have been canned a long time ago.

    • DerekPearce

      So what's your hunch, then? Just curious. Is Santa Claus pulling the Mounties' strings behind the scenes?

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/ Janice Rose

      Yes Pele, who else would be pulling the mounties' strings behind the scenes?

  • scissorpaws

    Garbage In. Garbage out.

  • Wayne Phillips

    To the Editor,

    Regarding The Harper government and the Insite flim-flam of Monday, August 23, 2010.

    It is interesting to note the reference to George Orwell in relation to this article because the proximity of Orwell's life coincides precisely with when the Canadian governments' drug law modus operandi first took root.

    Not surprisingly, in Panic and Indifference (by P.J. Giffen, Shirley Endicott & Sylvia Lambert,) the authors point out that "an examination of the evolution of narcotics legislation is, among other things, a study of criminalization in an extreme form." One has only to realize that "the pattern was well developed by 1929 and continued thereafter with only minor exceptions."

    In 1923 the Minister of Health announced "there was a new drug in the Schedule". There was no explaination given to parliament of what that drug was, why it was included, nor was any explanation asked for by any Member of either the House of Commons or the Senate. This enactment remained "a solution without a problem for many years after" and remains both unique (in terms of Parliamentary decorum) and highly questionable to this day. That substance was cannabis.

    Canada's drug laws originate in a climate of racism. Canada's cannabis laws originate from God knows what; it certainly wasn't based on any thing to do with Parliamentary decorum. The origins of Canada's drug laws explain much about the current governments stance on Insite. Could the manner in which cannabis was initially made a crime explain why there is so much disdain and disregard today?

    I think so.

    • wsam

      According to a 1985 article in 'Scientific America' prohibition of cannabis (in the form of a special, unavailable customs stamp you had to have to possess the plant) and enforcement of that prohibition in the US resulted from anti-Mexican migrant workers. Prohibition began to be enforced in the 1930s, during the Great Depression, as a way for local law enforcement to harass migrant Mexican farm labourers, many of whom regularly smoked cannabis. Similarly the article found racism behind many of the US’s drug prohibitions.

      Opium became outlawed in 1880s San Francisco after that city’s upper-class youth started spending time with local immigrant Chinese in order to smoke the opiate, alarming city elders concerned about race mixing. The article also mentions earlier East Coast examples.

      No idea what prompted Canadian prohibition – though it would not be the first time we copied bad policy.

      • wsam

        anti-Mexican migrant workers should read anti-Mexican migrant worker sentiment. Though even that reads clunky.

      • Oliver

        From what I know opium was banned in 1904 (I believe) in all of Canada (first country to nationally ban a substance) after McKenzie King was sent to Vancouver to find out why Chinatown had been sacked. He basically said "get rid of opium, get rid of the tension". Chinatown had been sacked for the same reasons as you exposed: women spending too much time at the opium dens.

  • Holly Stick

    More about Insite and research in 2008:
    http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2008/10/whats…

    • Holly Stick

      Oops, meant to put this in Geddes' comments.

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