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Inconsistency, like Canada's government, knows no borders

by Paul Wells on Thursday, September 2, 2010 4:25pm - 0 Comments

Two developments that make a mockery of the Harper government’s hotly-defended positions on two emotional debates this year:

• Bev Oda’s blogging from Mozambique! She’s blogging about what makes good policy in some of the poorest parts of the world. She’s blogging about how to ensure the very finest in maternal and child health. She’s learned so much about how important it is to avoid unwanted pregnancies. She’s careful to share her discoveries with readers:

“…one realizes very quickly that, in addition to facilities and equipment, maternal, nutrition and, family planning education programs are also crucial.”

Say, what’s that part about family planning? Perhaps she was only talking about “family planning education,” although she does list that, whatever it means, along with “facilities and equipment.” It’s a bit vague. So Elizabeth Payne from the Ottawa Citizen gave the minister a call.

Oda said the governments of Mozambique and Mali are both highly supportive of family planning, including abortion in some cases, and they like working with Canada, because it is considered very flexible. “We are not seen as having stipulated certain paradigms … or having any particular direction. We say ‘How can we help? What is the most effective way?’”

Oda said the controversy around Canada’s G8 initiative and abortion was largely limited to Canada and is not an issue in either Mali or Mozambique.

Abortion is legal in both countries, when a woman’s life is considered to be at risk, which, effectively, means that most women don’t have access to abortion.

Still, Oda said Canada would support abortion infrastructure if asked. “As long as it is legal within the country and it’s a legal procedure … if we were asked to help in that way, we would do that.”

That last bit is helpful, because in April, after months of heated questioning across the Commons aisle, Oda was still trying to peddle a distinction between “family planning,” which the government would fund, and abortion, which it wouldn’t. But now that the Harper government’s constant cheerleaders are looking somewhere else, Oda has gone back to the Michael Ignatieff-approved maternal health initiative of 40 years’ standing, which includes abortion.

As the inimitable Chris Selley put it, “Attention social conservatives: You’ve been had. Again.” But of course, social conservatives like being had and, now that they’ve been informed they’ve been had, will get mad at the Citizen and probably Selley and me for pointing it out. Not at the prime minister of Canada for playing them like a cheap fiddle.

Onward.

• Peter Kent’s off to the Middle East! He’s going to drop in on Shimon Peres and Avigdor Lieberman and… and… wait, this can’t be right.

Minister of State Kent will also visit the West Bank, where he will meet Riad Malki, the Palestinian Authority’s Minister of Foreign Affairs. Canada is implementing a five-year, $300 million package of assistance to the Palestinian Authority, focusing on support in the areas of security and justice.

Riad Malki? Surely that’s not the same Riyad al-Maliki who used to be the chief West Bank spokesman for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine?! (And indeed, orthographic differences aside, it is. It checks out six ways to Sunday.)

But… but the PFLP is a listed terrorist organization in Canada. I know this because my excellent friend Aurel Braun and his allies on the Rights and Democracy board got extremely upset when that agency gave a group called al-Haq $10,000 two years ago:

Al Haq’s general director, Shawan Jabarin, has been denied exit visas by Israel and Jordan because of his ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). The PFLP is a listed terrorist organization in Canada. In 2007, the Supreme Court of Israel rejected Mr. Jabarin’s petition to have his travel ban lifted because “he is an activist in a terrorist organization.” It should come as no surprise that the board reacted with shock when it found Mr. Jabarin’s own signature on the paperwork accepting this grant from Rights & Democracy.

So here we have a member of the Harper government cavorting with a known PFLP associate, as Max Bernier did two years ago, and giving this known PFLP associate thirty thousand times as much money as R&D gave al-Haq in 2008.

Whatever will my excellent friend Aurel Braun think?

In October Andrew Coyne and I will be in Vancouver for one of our occasional CPAC town hall events. The subject we’ll discuss is the Harper government as it nears five years in power. One of the questions we’ll bat around is whether the prime minister has a strategy he is pursuing or whether his political career has been reduced essentially to high-priced performance art. Nobody who reads us will be surprised to learn that Andrew will take the latter position, while I had hoped to argue that Harper has a strategy and a reason for being in public life. The prime minister is not making my side of the argument any easier to defend.

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  • Crit_Reasoning

    I look forward to watching the Vancouver town hall on CPAC next month. Are there going to be any more Coyne v. Wells podcasts?

  • Emily

    I suggest the Pinball Defence:

    Pinball is a type of arcade game, usually coin-operated, where a player attempts to score points by manipulating one or more metal balls on a playfield inside a glass-covered case called a pinball machine. The primary objective of the game is to score as many points as possible. Secondary objectives are to maximize the time spent playing (by earning extra balls and keeping the ball in play as long as possible) and to earn free games (known as replays).

    • Olaf

      Guaranteed that's word for word from wikipedia. Emily is very busy and hasn't the time to make sense.

      • Emily

        Think of Cons as the 'little metal balls'….you'll catch on.

      • schoner

        Actually it makes perfect sense in the context of the column.

        Harper is no longer trying to win i.e. attain the highest score, he's looking to draw the game out as long as possible. Power is the be all and end all and he will do whatever it takes to maintain it.

        • Olaf

          Ok, so because he can't possibly accomplish the primary objective, he's given up trying to accomplish the primary objective and instead he's attempting to accomplish the secondary objective, which is only useful as a means of accomplishing the primary objective which he can't accomplish, and you can't accomplish the secondary objective without coming closer to accomplishing the primary objective, a primary objective which he has given up on. Got it. I agree that the term "perfect sense" is applicable.

          But what does any of that have to do with Cons being the "little metal balls"?

          • schoner

            That I can't answer. I was just sticking with the pinball analogy. You're on your own.

          • Emily

            You were right in the first place. Olaf just like messing around. He's retired.

          • Olaf

            He's retired.

            You spelled it wrong. And that's offensive to Canada's less-abled community.

        • Out and About

          In other words, he's saying, "Death is too easy for you, b***h. I want you to suffer."

    • Reverend_Blair

      Well, Harper does tend to think like a pinball millionaire.

  • PeteTong

    I think an end of summer/beginning of Fall session podcast is in order!

    I think those CPAC events should be exclusivly in Toronto.

  • Holly Stick

    Wrong, Paul. First the social conservatives will attack the woman who faces facts even though she is a Conservative Minister. Then they will attack the messengers. But always the woman first, because that's how they are.
    http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/Septem…

    • BCer in Mtl

      Maybe she should pose with some Drag queens to make it easier

  • Mulletaur

    "… or whether his political career has been reduced essentially to high-priced performance art."

    LOL, nice. Anyway, I'm on your side in this argument, Wells, but I see Coyne has been trying to get the jump on your by testing his arguments.

    • Mulletaur

      On you, rather.

      • tobyornotoby

        Mulletaur, break down and get an Intense Debate profile already! You can correct typos and you don't need to divulge ANY personal information except for how many bathrooms you own … no wait that's the other guys

        • Mulletaur

          I know you're right, but I just can't do it. It's the social libertarian in me. Sorry.

  • Standing By

    The Bev Oda piece is interesting, and important, but well within the range of human imagination. It could be a sign that Bev is trying to find her independent voice, but that seem unlikely at this late stage. Maybe this is her idea of a policy finesse. I fear she will soon be appearing before microphones clarifying that the whole discussion was taken out of context, and there's been no change in policy, just ask Dmitri, here's his number.

    The Peter Kent story looks like blockbuster, but maybe that's just me.

    • Jan

      She has now done exactly what you predicted – almost word for word.

  • Dave F

    I guess the words "used to be" in the phrase "who used to be the chief West Bank spokesman for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine" escaped Paul, which is odd considering that he is the one that wrote it.

    • David_M.

      "used to be" – is that like used to be on the no fly list?

    • Jenn_

      That didn't take long at all!

    • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

      …the words "used to be" in the phrase "who used to be the chief West Bank spokesman for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine" escaped Paul …

      I suppose Dave would insist upon appending the phrase "who used to be a Taliban militant" to the name "Omar Khadr" as well. How magnanimous of him.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Of course, in the case of Shawan Jabarin there are only CLAIMS (that he denies) that he is a member of PFLP. Riad Malki's ties to PFLP on the other hand aren't claims being made that he denies, they're just a fact. He was a leading member of PFLP and he used to be one of their chief spokespeople.

      • burlivespipe

        Ah, but like a good number of quebec separatists who once clung to federalism under a deceitful conservative banner, common sense prevailed. From where they crawled out of to where they currently stand, the service is better…

    • Inkless

      This would be where I tell Dave when Jabarin's and Malki's (purported) associations with the PFLP happened, so he could see which one "used to be" associated with the group more recently. But this is an excellent opportunity for folks to do some of their own research. Fun!

  • Style

    Paul, the Canadian policy hasn't changed – the maternal health funding announced at the G8 doesn't include abvortion, but the overall policy is the same as it's ever been: silent about abortion. And it's silent about abortion because social conservatives in the *Liberal* party don't want to fund abortion. Why was it okay for Liberal governments to play these people for dupes for fourty years but now it's a big issue? Is Ignatieff about to propose a better abortion funding policy than his Liberal predecessors or are you just having fun stirring up an abortion debate that will hurt women?

    • Mike T.

      that's a bit of a stretch, I think.

      • Style

        Yes, I thought you might. But feel free to check howtheyvoted to see how the Liberals vote, or avoid voting, on abortion. I don't know why people think the Liberal party is a defender of abortion access.

        • Emily

          It's part of their party policy, but every now and then they get stuck with some socon MPs.

          Part of politics.

          • Style

            It isn't part of either the Liberal or the Conservative's party policy. And how many social conservatives does a party get to have before we accuse it of a hidden agenda to roll back women's rights?

        • burlivespipe

          Please make sure that this corrected info from the exhalted so-called leader Harper is included in their next exaggerated plea for funding…

    • Blacktop

      The problem is when abortion is used as a contraceprive. I do not wish to have my tax dollars used for expensive aginceptives when inexpensive ones are available to those who would keep their respective zippers closed or legs crossed for an extra 5 minutes or so. Surely there are enough condom dispensers, pills and whatnots that two young people (or middle age or old, if you will, or one young and one old, can get it together without the need of considering the pregnancy lottery. But maybe there are more impromptu, licentious, or hot-blooded meetings, some of which are no fault of the female and are called rape or whatever.. That is the one where she must have the option of a trip to the hospital with immediate rectification when medically appropriate and necessary counselling at uis taxpayer's expense. .

      However, it often happens in normal society (what happens, happens) and the decision is between a woman and her doctor, assuming the guy doesn't have an interest in assuming any responsibility other than the cost.. So first, let's have the RC church and miscellanous evangelistic churches butt out of other person's business. Likewise, politicians, likewise conservatives with steel ones.

      But now comes the bitter bit. Sometimes, but rarely, this procedure is a medical emergency. If that is the case then the Canadian health system should pick up the tab. But if it is not an emergency, then the guy should pick up the tab. That's called natural justice. Somewhere in the sex education system perhaps there should be another lesson, called "crossing one's legs for reasons other than having to use the john." The next lesson after that would be "how to accept responsibility for the life you have creates by not observing lesson 1."

      As for the govt, there should be enough tips in my screed above to give guidance. Now, obviously the only ones needing help are not in Africa.

      • Emily

        Why should I pay for your heart bypass, or hip replacement….or viagra?

        What if I didn't believe in heart bypass surgery….and you couldn't have one, because of my belief?

        MYOB about other people's lives

      • Dubh

        You don't seem to allow for the failure of contraceptives.

        • Emily

          Assuming his religion even allows contraceptives.

  • wascally wabbit

    Forget th pinball defence.
    Just enjoy Stephen Harper dancing…on the head of a pin!

  • Tim

    Hear is another good example related especially to BC politics. Both major political parties have had longstanding policies in favor if sales harmonization although I doubt most voters where aware of them. Now that harmonization is a reality both parties and Harper in particular are publically running away from it as fast as possible. Except Harper and Flaherty send out former Reform/Alliance MP Randy White and current MP John Cummins out to tell Bill Vander Zalm and various forces against harmonization that if they continue to oppose it they will have no futures in Federal Conservative politics and in private Harper and his emissaries will work against Bill Vander Zalm until eternity.

    • Blacktop

      Being nowhere else to put this, here it is from the Vamncouver Sun a very few hours ago:

      "The president of a B.C. Liberal cabinet minister's riding association today called for the resignation of Finance Minister Colin Hansen, saying recent revelations over the HST have severely damaged Hansen's reputation."

      • Emily

        He has already apologized for that.

  • Holly Stick

    You should change the question from whether Harper has a strategy to "Who will win the pool on when Harper has his first chair-kicking public tantrum?" And what will it be about? His self-contradictions over the F-35s?
    http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2010/09/st…

    Or over Oda?

    Or maybe when the "private members bill" agains the long-gun registry fails?

    Or maybe when he is forced to turn tail over the long-form census and people still complain because he's wasted taxpayers money on fixing the mess he made?

    Stay tuned…

    • wellwell

      I'm beginning to wonder if the prime minister is medicated. Is it possible that this kind of catatonic mendacity is natural in a human being?

      • Holly Stick

        I heard rumours about that for years, but have no idea if there is any basis to them.

      • Dubh

        Could be just simple sociopathy.

  • DBM

    The Prime Minister isn't making your argument any harder, Paul. His Ministers are.

    Semantics, I know…

    The obvious answer is that he has to control his people more thoroughly, and increase his efforts to prevent all those Liberal friendly bureaucrats advising them from influencing policy while he's not looking.

    • Jenn_

      When you are right, Paul, you are right. It's eerie, really.

    • NoNameCS

      Controlling his people more thoroughly would involve forms of treatment usually associated with criminal activity or seriously kinky stuff. The man is a control freak, to be sure, but I don't think he'll go that far.

      The "liberal-friendly" bureaucrats you speak of don't really exist. They are a bogeyman. But the fear of the "liberal-friendly" bureaucrat is what has derailed most, if not all Conservative governments since the beginning of the 20th century. It usually goes like this: upon taking power, Conservative governments are instantly mistrustful of the advice given by public servants, who they see as liberal-friendly. Meanwhile, public servants are hopeful that the new government will finally fix the issues long ignored by the Liberals, only to find that their new masters are not interested in what they have to say. The civil service gets sidelined, the government ignores their advice and soon finds itself in trouble. The government blames the civil service. The mood of the civil service changes: if it's going to be ignored and then blamed for the government's mistakes, it will find ways to protect itself. That's when the leaks begin.

      You think I'm wrong? Go ask Brian Mulroney.

      • Blacktop

        Good call. But after a while they realize the civil servants are their best friend, but by then it is too late; they have alienated everybody.

      • DBM

        I should have made my attempt at sarcasm more clear.

        • NoNameCS

          LOL !!! Or it could be me. I am notoriously obtuse.

          I guess the resemblance to some of the arguments regularly being made on this and other boards was a little too true to stand out as sarcasm. That's a sad statement, isn't it ?

          • Jenn_

            I was hoodwinked also. DBM, that wasn't even slightly overdone, no fair!

          • DBM

            In hindsight, an exclamation mark or an interrobang (or two) was clearly called for.

          • DBM

            Upon further investigation (checking the spelling of 'interrobang') I've learned that there is also such a thing as an 'irony mark' – proposed as a means of communicating that a sentence is to be understood on a 'second level', conveying irony or sarcasm.

            ؟

            I'm left wondering how this hasn't caught on…

  • TJCook

    Huh. Well as I understand the rules in Canada, Peter Kent must be known from now on as "Peter Kent, who has ties to Middle East terrorist organizations…"

    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

    • Olaf

      I don't mean to be a stickler, but you might want to check your rule book. That provision clearly only applies to latte sipping, Taliban-loving, book-reading, Canada-leaving, international socialist types. It's right after the clause which clearly states that Conservative patriotism is beyond reproach while the patriotism of members of all other parties is suspect until proven otherwise.

      • TJCook

        Shoot, you're right! I totally forgot about the "It's ok if you're a Conservative" clause.

        Silly of me.

        • Olaf

          It's no problem. Just educate yourself on the rules before you comment next time. It will save me the trouble of correcting you on mundane procedural matters.

      • brooster

        A sub-clause of that provision: all other parties are assumed to hate the troops, while Conservative party members (especially cabinet members) get to dress up in real fatigues.

    • PeteTong

      Lock'em up and throw away the key!

    • Sigh

      i hope they get pictures.

    • tobyornotoby

      Are we letting him back in to Canada?

  • bergkamp

    "But of course, social conservatives like being had …. "

    Not only SoCons. Any conservative who votes Con is being had and has been played like a fiddle since Dief admin. I don't know what happens to Cons when they go into government but they do seem to completely lose their minds/values and start behaving a lot like Liberals.

    I subscribe to Yes, Minister view of government – pols are the puppets and bureaucracy is puppeteer. It is just less obvious when Libs are in power because they like bureaucracy and want to increase it just like bureaucrats do.

    "One of the questions we’ll bat around is whether the prime minister has a strategy he is pursuing or whether his political career has been reduced essentially to high-priced performance art."

    Not being flippant but I think Harper's strategy is to behave like "high performance art". Since the free trade election of '88, I think all PMs have been all about marketing themselves but not really doing anything substantial. Pols focus on image so much everything is now a pose.

    I also wonder if Harper feels any embarrassment/shame for abandoning his beliefs all for a few shiny accoutrements of power. What's the point of being PM if you don't create a lasting legacy for yourself? Chretien, Martin and Harper have done nothing substantial for almost 20 years so they will be insignificant in history's judgment.

    • McC_

      "What's the point of being PM if you don't create a lasting legacy for yourself?"
      How many jobs are there in this country where a guy with a résumé like the one Harper had in 2004 can be the runner-up for a job with all the perks that the PM of Canada gets: the manor house on the Ottawa, the cottage on Harrington lake, the personal chef, the jet, the car and driver, the entourage, globe trotting, adulation, make-up? not to mention a pretty good salary and pension to come. it's a pretty good gig if you can get it.

  • westmalle

    I wish PW et al out focus on the real stuff, not the tripe about so-cons versus lefties blah blah that is so Toronto Star.

    What a scene we had this week! A fomer Reform MP now Conservative Prime Minister awards the CF-18 maintenance contract to…..a Quebec company! When Mulroey did the same thing it destroyed the PC party in the West for good.

    PW has already speculated on Harper's "coalition" strategy but he is looking at it from the wrong angle. His target is not Ignatieff. It's Duceppe.

    Harper has little to worry from Ignatieff and the Liberals. In the last election the Conservatives beat the Liberals in RoC by more the 16 points (43.29% to 27.13%). Ignatieff is not going to make up that gap by bus tours, especially now that he has written off the West and rural Ontario by supporting the now-doomed long-gun registry. Harper's strategy will be to say the Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition will wreck the economy and raise taxes.

    No, Harper's target is Duceppe. In 2008 election in Quebec the BQ (38.1%) beat the Liberals by almost 15 points (23.7%) and the Conservatives (16.4%) by more than 16 points. The game is in Quebec. With CF-18 announcement along with the "national parks" riposte, Harper is obviously playing that game. Where is Ignatieff and the Liberals? They are still obsessing over the census!

    You and Andrew should tell the people in BC that the only federal political game in town is in Quebec.

    • westmalle

      Sorry. Conservatives got 21.7% in Quebec in 2008.

      • McC_

        you do realize that the current polls have the CPC sliding towards single-digit support in QC, right? This isn't a partisan point, just some data that might want to consider when testing your hypothesis.

        • Jenn_

          He didn't say Harper was doing it successfully.

          But it is an interesting premise. Toronto boy goes to Alberta to be "one of them" then when he has them completely convinced he's a Western boy, he does what Albertans have mosted hated in Prime Ministers–pander to Quebec. Instead of kicking the bum out as they always have done, they simply turn a blind eye. I don't know what the moral to the story is, but it is interesting.

          • Holly Stick

            They don't actually turn a blind eye; they are merely storing it up as a lasting source of resentment. After all, the NEP is beginning to fade in many people's memories.

  • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

    Not cause they really believe him but rather because they like the sound of his voice.

    Mais non, Stewart. It shall be because Harper is so much better than the alternative, even though he's not meaningfully different from the alternative.

    And, anyway–what do you know? Have you ever written an MA thesis?

    • Stewart_Smith

      back to front

      I know quite a bit but no, I have never written an MA thesis.

      I assume that you are rejecting the premise that the policies are the same, otherwise the obvious interpretation is that you believe that in the execution of two equivalent government policies the bureaucracy will execute the policy better if it is first mislead wrt direction along with all other stakeholders and then asked to implement a half-baken plan for executing the policy on-the-fly without having time to sequester appropriate resources. One of the advantages of doing what you claim you will do, is that it makes it a lot easier for others to help you.

      An alternative suggestion is that you believe that being a good leader is about more than good governance. The personality of the PM is more important than the massive machinery of government. We need leadership, inspirational oratory, strong moral guidance et. et. , fair enough but really "like the sound of his voice" captures the same essence.

      • Olaf

        Stewart, meet Sir Francis. Sir Francis, Stewart. Also, you're on the same team.

        • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

          …you're on the same team…

          Yeah, but I’m only pinch hitting.

          • Olaf

            Yeah, but I’m only pinch hitting.

            I've always considered you more of a hired assassin whose troop was decimated in the 60s. A true patriot with no party to defend.

            Either that or a latte sipping, Taliban-loving, book-reading, Canada-leaving, hardcore Liberal partisan type. It's a toss up.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            Can't I be both?

          • Stewart_Smith

            It depends on which side of the plate you stand when you pinch hit, or perhaps you swing both ways.

      • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

        An alternative suggestion is that…[t]he personality of the PM is more important than the massive machinery of government…

        I think the suggestion would be that the Albertaness of the PM is more important than the massive machinery of government.

        • Olaf

          For the record, we're a tight knit group. Harper's "Albertaness" is only as strong as his ability and willingness to represent Alberta's interests. We know he's a Toronto-boy (we can smell 'em from a mile off), and won't fully accept him as a result. He'll be turfed as soon as a suitable alternative comes along, and we won't give him the sympathetic leeway afforded to a real Albertan. Like King Ralph. We'd keep him around as premier well into his senile years if he wanted. As evidenced by the 2000-2006 period.

          • Stewart_Smith

            As Olaf notes, he can't ride, can't skate and smirks = Toronto

            Her Albertaness should be reserved for its proper place as an honorific for the amazing & very Western Lauren Harper.

          • ahm

            Truly, she embodies a Wild Rose…maybe I won't finish that thought.

    • Blacktop

      Yes it is thesis for a Master's; dissertation for a doctorate. Incidentally, there are other Master other than Arts, the easiest is said to be a MEd.

      • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

        I believe the easiest Masters degree is the MDiv. The comprehensive exam consists of a single multiple-choice question:

        "Indicate the correct response to the assertion, 'God exists':

        a) Yes He does;

        b) No 'he' doesn't;

        c) Maybe he does;

        d) None of the above"

        The correct answer is, of course, d).

        • TedTylerEzro

          Hah! You got that about right.

      • Sigh

        Except in the UK, where dissertation is for the Master's and thesis for the doctorate.

  • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

    So here we have a member of the Harper government cavorting with a known PFLP associate, as Max Bernier did two years ago…

    Meh. That's nothing. Jason Kenney, in his role as Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, once gave a barn-burner of a speech to an Iranian (and socialist!) terrorist group in 2006, to no public rebuke from the prime minister.

    As they say down on the farm—all terrorist groups are equal, but some terrorist groups are more equal than others.

    • Crit_Reasoning

      Here's how I imagine it went down:

      Kenney: OK, I've got the speech for the Association of Chinese Canadian Professionals at ten, the Ukrainian Canadian Congress at 11:30, the Mongolian Curling Club at 1:15, and… what's this at 2:30? Something called the "Committee for Human Rights in Iran".

      Assistant: A group of Iranian-Canadians are rallying in front of Parliament to "condemn the clerical regime's plan to execute political prisoners in Iran."

      Kenney: Did you check them out?

      Assistant: Yeah, I googled them. Something about resisting Ahmadinejad.

      Kenney: Sounds good. I'll show up, shake a few hands, and tell them that the new Canadian government will work hard to establish fundamental freedoms in Iran. What could possibly go wrong?

      • Olaf

        What could possibly go wrong?

        Personally, I admire his Alfred E. Neumanesque nonchalance when it comes to public endorsements. But you forgot to mention the part where he ordered his assistant "disappeared".

      • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

        You forgot the sotto voce parts of the transcript. To wit:

        Assistant: "Now, sir—this is the thing: this group of socialist-Islamist insurgents is on our terror list because of its wanton disregard for the lives of innocents, its long-standing jihad against "Western imperialism", and its alliance with ex-Baathist insurgent groups in Iraq. Your thoughts?"

        Kenney: "Jeez Louise, boy! You worry too much. I'm, like, totally inoculated against pro-terrorist allegations, son, 'cause I'm a member of Canada's official anti-terrorist party. The Star could publish a snapshot of Stephen Harper playing shuffleboard with Mullah Omar without doing even negligible damage to our rep as the go-to guys for red-meat hajji-hating. So don't sweat it."

        Assistant: "If I may be so bold, sir: you rock!"

        Kenney: "Yes. Yes, I do".

        • TedTylerEzro

          You completely missed the part where Crit is pointing out that you shouldn't blame on malice what can be blamed on stupidity or incompetence.

          • Holly Stick

            No, he's suggesting that arrogance can also be part of the mix.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            Except that CR clearly believes Kenney to be neither malicious nor stupid.

            Whether CR believes Kenney to still be a virgin is a matter for another, and far more interesting, thread.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            TedTylerEzro got it right. It was most likely an honest mistake, but it was still a mistake. Either Kenney messed up, or someone on his staff did. One for the blooper reel.

            As for the second part of the comment, you're the first person who has ever asked my opinion about whether a minister of the Crown is a virgin. Honestly, I have no idea.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            It was most likely an honest mistake.

            "Mistake"! Love it! CR, do you have a background in PR (or, as it's now ironically called, “communications”)?

            Deliberately failing to spend a minute with Google in order to inform yourself about the nature of a group to whom you, acting as aide-de-camp of the leader of government, deliver a laudatory speech is not a mistake. It is arrant, pristine idiocy. But let us just agree to disagree, shall we? My snark ducts are drying up, fast.

            … you're the first person who has ever asked my opinion about whether a minister of the Crown is a virgin.

            As bitter an indictment of the level of discourse around here as one can expect to hear.

            CR, Jason Kenney was the first Member of Parliament to volunteer the intelligence that he is a virgin—without solicitation, needless to add.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            CR, do you have a background in PR (or, as it's now ironically called, “communications”)?

            Good heavens, no!

            deliver a laudatory speech

            Have you any evidence that the speech was "laudatory", or is this just a rhetorical flight of fancy?

            But let us just agree to disagree, shall we? My snark ducts are drying up, fast.

            Agreed. It's fundamentally a matter of opinion, and I can't believe we've already devoted so many words to this utterly inconsequential nonevent from four years ago.

            CR, Jason Kenney was the first Member of Parliament to volunteer the intelligence that he is a virgin—without solicitation, needless to add.

            Ah, thanks for that bit of trivia. Good to know.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            …thanks for that bit of trivia.

            "Trivia"! Heh. Yes, something tells me that even Jason's hottest dates use that word when spilling to the gals the day after.

            Seriously, he mentioned it once to a journalist in his old Reform days in the Catholic context of "waiting for marriage" being something that even men should do—a rather admirable sentiment, actually, but altogether too much information (for my delicate sensibilities!).

          • Crit_Reasoning

            Yes, something tells me that even Jason's hottest dates use that word when spilling to the gals the day after.

            Are you suggesting that the good minister has since been deflowered?

            but altogether too much information (for my delicate sensibilities!).

            Yes, for mine too. That information definitely belongs in the "don't ask, don't tell" category.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            Are you suggesting that the good minister has since been deflowered?

            The synapses that I would need to engage in order to think about that issue have informed me through their union that they are prepared to strike immediately upon receiving a signal to do so—a threat that management is delighted to have received.

          • Holly Stick

            Debudded?

        • Crit_Reasoning

          I'm still trying to wrap my head around your Foghorn Leghorn version of Kenney. ("Jeez Louise, boy!") It's like a bad impression at a cocktail party. ;-)

          Come now, Sir Francis. Do you seriously think that Kenney knew about this group's affiliations when he spoke to them?

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            It's like a bad impression at a cocktail party.

            Are you referring to my dialogue or to Jason Kenney?

            Do you seriously think that Kenney knew about this group's affiliations when he spoke to them?

            I certainly hope he did—because the thought of a minister of the Crown and parliamentary secretary to the prime minister lending the implicit endorsement of the government to a group about which he is content to know absolutely nothing is quite a bit more nauseating than the thought of the same minister ignoring the repugnant aspects of a group of thugs for the sake of celebrating their so-far-fruitless campaign of vexation against a regime he doesn't like.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            lending the implicit endorsement of the government to a group about which he is content to know absolutely nothing

            Meeting people is not the same thing as endorsing them.

            It's not an "implicit endorsement" when a Minister of the Crown (or any other Parliamentarian for that matter) spends five minutes talking to a group of Canadian citizens who are rallying in front of Parliament.

            Kenney meets with hundreds of cultural associations, ethnic organizations, special interest groups, councils, charities, community socials and glee clubs representing immigrants from almost every country in the world. This one happened to be with an innocuously named group of Canadians of Iranian origin, which had indirect associations with another group that is the political wing of an Iranian socialist resistance movement, which (like everything else in Iran) is linked to human rights abuses of its own dissident members.

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            …an innocuously named group of Canadians of Iranian origin, which had indirect associations with another group that is the political wing of an Iranian socialist resistance movement…

            What a quaint way of saying "front group for thugs who kill people and blow stuff up"! Sinn Fein and Hamas should cut and paste that onto their business cards.

            Kenney meets with hundreds of cultural associations, ethnic organizations, special interest groups…[etc]

            Kenney didn't just meet with these violent cranks; he gifted them with a cheer-leading speech.

            I think we're both above the need to debate this, CR. When you are promoted from mere MP to government member, and then beyond that to parliamentary secretary to the prime minister, you are always a representative of the government, and your every public act is a government act. When Kenny stood up, unbidden, and gave a congratulatory speech to this group, he implicitly endorsed it, and thus so did the government of which he is a senior member. This fact would be clearer to you, of course, if, in the twilight of the Martin regime, Stephane Dion had given a rousing speech in front of the Ottawa branch of the Friends of Hezbollah. I doubt if you would have worked quite so hard to tease out every quibbling extenuating strand of exculpatory special pleading had he done so.

            Trust me. Putting aside your obvious admiration for Kenney for just long enough to admit that he did something dreadfully stupid and irresponsible will not kill you. Try it; you'll see.

          • Holly Stick

            This summer I had to arrange for a municipal politician to attend a non-profit group's function and I had to fill out a form explaining what it was all about and who would be there to meet the politician, and who would perform introductions, etc., etc. I probably would not have mentioned any terrorist connections if we had happened to have any, but I'm sure the councillor's staff would have googled us to make sure we were not planning a city hall coup. That's part of their job.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            Kenney didn't just meet with these violent cranks; he gifted them with a cheer-leading speech.

            Have you any evidence that it was a "cheer-leading speech"? I doubt it. From the article you linked to: ""(Kenney) started his speech by welcoming participants to the rally on his own behalf as well as the Prime Minister and stressed that the new Canadian government would work hard to establish fundamental freedoms in Iran".

            I think we're both above the need to debate this, CR.

            Well, naturally. ;-)

            if, in the twilight of the Martin regime, Stephane Dion had given a rousing speech in front of the Ottawa branch of the Friends of Hezbollah. I doubt if you would have worked quite so hard to tease out every quibbling extenuating strand of exculpatory special pleading had he done so.

            If they called themselves "Friends of Hezbollah", the group's unsavory affiliations would have been crystal clear. In this case, Kenney was "completely unaware of the context as it presented here, even though we had done our due diligence.''

            Trust me. Putting aside your obvious admiration for Kenney for just long enough to admit that he did something dreadfully stupid and irresponsible will not kill you. Try it; you'll see.

            Kenney made a mistake four years ago. To say that he "did something dreadfully stupid and irresponsible" is altogether too hyperbolic for my delicate sensibilities. :)

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            Have you any evidence that it was a "cheer-leading speech"?

            Admittedly, I find myself unpossessed of an official transcript, but I believe it defensible to proceed on the assumption that a speech that begins with a "welcome" is not going to be followed by a scolding injunction to stop killing folks.

            If they called themselves "Friends of Hezbollah", the group's unsavory[sic] affiliations would have been crystal clear.

            Whereas the "People's Mujahedin of Iran" leaves entirely ambiguous the questions of whether "People's" is being used in the Marxist sense and whether "Mujahedin" is being used in the violent, Islamist sense. These days, after all, words are so often used ironically. The word "conservative", for instance.

            In this case, Kenney was "completely unaware of the context as it presented here, even though we had done our due diligence…''

            …a due diligence that, while failing to include a thirty-second Google search, no doubt included the thorough questioning of a ouija board.

            Kenney made a mistake four years ago.

            I liked this sentence better when, before filtering through your id, it left from your superego as, "Kenny committed an act of puerile cretinism four years ago".

            To say that he "did something dreadfully stupid and irresponsible" is altogether too hyperbolic for my delicate sensibilities…

            …and perhaps too brutally accurate for your partisan sympathies. But I won't hold that against you. ;)

            I'm actually glad that we're not above debating this issue. Writing this comment was bloody good fun!

          • Crit_Reasoning

            Once again, Sir Francis, I am left dazed and reeling by your relentless barrage of gleeful hyperbole.

            Let's not allow this minor hiccup to distract us from the fact that Kenney is a talented, dedicated public servant, quite possibly the best Immigration Minister that Canada has been graced with in the last few decades.

            Surely, fair-minded gentlemen like ourselves can agree that this all-but-forgotten four-year old gaffe is merely the tiniest of bumps on Kenney's well-paved road to success! ;-)

          • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

            Let's not allow this minor hiccup to distract us from the fact that Kenney is quite possibly… the best Immigration Minister Canada has been graced with in the last few decades…

            …in a field where the competition was been particularly gruelling!

            Indeed, Jason will forever stand with Homeric splendour in the immigration annals of the Western world. We can agree on that, at least.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            I'll drink to that! (Faint praise being better than none.) Not for nothing did his fellow Argonauts vote him "Parliamentarian of the Year" in 2009.

            It's been a pleasure debating with you, sir–as always. Have a wonderful long weekend!

          • AJR79

            I agree whole heartedly that Minister Kenney is the best Immigration Minister of my lifetime.

            However, he is also a severe so-con that has a history of being caught in lies he has no buisness being caught in, At least three by my count.

            Kenneys road to glory, would be the CPCs road to doom. (I did catch the sarcasm BTW)
            Have a great long-weekend.

          • Crit_Reasoning

            Kenney is a faithful Catholic, which I suppose is enough to make him a "severe so-con" by Canuck standards.

            KAIROS is undoubtedly one of the three lies you mentioned (and to my mind, that incident was more serious than the Iranian gaffe).

            Kindly refresh my memory: What were the other two?

          • AJR79

            One was the claim that he had no input on striking a mention of SSM in the new immigration guide (a wonderful document BTW).

            The third strike was… it slips my mind to be honest, but there was one. I'll get back to you.

          • AJR79

            Oh yes George Galloway (a man I despise) not being let into the country.

            Kenney claimed to have nothing to do with it, and it turned out he did. Go figure.

          • AJR79

            To be fair my, definition of so-con may be broad, but I don't consider you one; although I suspect that you my be a pro-life Catholic. Keep reasoning.

      • tobyornotoby

        There is still a department that might already know about the group that he could call and ask right?

      • Omar

        Assuming dumb ignorance would be giving Kenney far too much credit. The Iranian group in question, the MEK, are a perennial darling of the exact same cluster of US right-wingers that Jason aspires to be like when he grows up. Kenney knew perfectly well who he was meeting, and didn't give a…hoot. This is Wells' theory epitomized.

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    Not only but chiefly to be contrary…

    That the items Mr. Wells lists are evidence of inconsistency is at least partly a function of how broadly one looks for consistency. I'd suggest that this government from at least 2007 has attempted to be all things to all voter blocks: alternately doing something stupid for every taste and political predilection. For example, on stimulus: recession deniers at the outset quickly evolved into to drunken sailors.

    The only plan is to hold on to the power they have and to, at nearly any cost to the country, get more. Everything else is a tactic. They are being perfectly consistent in that respect.

  • Observant

    In the next election, there will only be two issues … the economy and stable gov't. All the other stuff wll be fluff and blow away.

    On the economy, Harper will put up his 4 year record of responsible economic policies to lower taxes and to protect Canada from the global recession attacking our shores.

    On stable gov't, PM Harper is already asking Canadians for a stable majority Conservative gov't .. as opposed to an unstable majority Coalition Junta gov't with unpalatable economic policies.

    Basically, Canadians will be choosing between All-Canadian Stephen Harper and "we Americans" Iggnatieff. The failing NDP with ailing Jack Layton may get badly squeezed out as Canadians polarize between the Conservatives and Liberals to achieve electoral peace and quiet for the next 4 years..!!!

    • Holly Stick

      And then the Conservatives will sprinkle fairy dust on everyone and we will all fly to Disneyworld.

      • Emily

        LOL some Cons are already there!

    • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

      Hey Dimitri! The mail is really piling up in the box, dude. Time to go home.

  • NorthernPoV

    @un-Observant
    "Harper will put up his 4 year record of responsible economic policies"
    LOL, keep up the sarcasm, we love it

    Sound fiscal management ala Con:
    * GST reduction instead of income tax reduction
    * HST expansion at a time it will hurt the economy (attempted by stealth)
    * Income Trust debacle (all by itself a major disaster)
    * F18 purchase
    * $9B prison expansion while (reported ;-) crime is dropping
    * spending an extra $30M to get useless census data
    * installing some thugs at R&D that blow big bucks on useless witch hunts
    * largest deficit/biggest spending gov't in history
    * _________________________
    * _________________________ (some extra space for the kids at home to fill in with more examples)

    Yes Harper will put up his 4 year record of irresponsible economic disasters up against 13 years of Liberal surpluses,
    and (if the media tell the truth for a change) be found wanting.

    • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

      I wish you luck you are going to need it.

      Let me know when your party can afford to run Television Ads, as Radio and Youtube won't cut it. Can you link how much it costs to run a National Campaign.
      http://harpergovtaccomplishments.wordpress.com/20…

      • NorthernPoV

        I have no idea if the Liberal Party (I am not at present a member) can afford to engage in a "who's got the most cash we can hypnotize Canadians with" contest, at the moment.
        I do note that you avoided responding to the substance of my comment.

        • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

          Your post consists of talking points from the Liberal Party. There is no substance in the party that whips 30 MPs to miss votes to avoid triggering an election.

          I don't need to defend the Conservative Agenda or policies, this is a minority parliament and without the support of the Liberals on over 100 votes Royal Assent was impossible.

          To the credit of the PM he has been able to also secure the support of the Separatists and Democrats on specific policies when the Liberals were unavailable.

          NPOV, it costs twenty million to run a national campaign. That said, your party is unable to defend their leader. They failed with Dion and now Ignatieff. They were unable to buy television ads to refute the framing of Just Visiting. Estimates are ten million for national television buys.

          In the US Obama out raised McCain as was able to dominate the airwaves, television, robo calls, it takes organization and money to win a campaign. Can you provide any links the Liberals have fixed their problems and closed the substantial gap from the Conservatives?

          In 2009 the Liberals failed in all four contests including two in Quebec. Their vote went down in every contest.

          You suggest the Liberals will be able to control the narrative of the next campaign without any evidence of the Liberals being in control of anything since losing in 2006.

          This is not a two party race. The Democrats and Separatists are competing for Liberal seats. Ignatieff is a rookie leader with very little experience. Liberals can't fathom another drop in the October 14, 2008 election results of 26.3% of 1-2% to 25%.

          • NorthernPoV

            "Liberal talking points" ?? – that would imply a functioning Liberal Party – sorry just us rubes out here calling it like we see it.
            You insist on responding to things I did not say.
            This I will say: If the media lets the Cons get away with answering points of substance with your type of non sequitur rebuttal, then yes, your cash may win you another election. Have fun ruining the place.

          • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

            We have had a minority parliament since 2004. Two years for Martin and currently four+ with our current PM.

            The opposition are responsible to remove their confidence if they don't support the policy or agenda. The PM asks the GG to dissolve parliament and we get a six week campaign. Works rather well, no civil war or bloodshed.

            The noise you posted are partisan talking points. Every party tries to create and use wedge politics for political advantage.

            You believe this minority government is responsible for ruining this country. Those are partisan talking points from opposition. You can examine the specific legislation passed and examine what party supported it. The Liberals under Dion and Ignatieff have voted in excess of over one hundred times to keep the confidence of this minority government.

            Most Canadians do not follow politics and don't accept the talking points from any party. Your party has failed to rally Canadians under your banner including making donations since losing power in 2006.

            The media has done a very poor job of fact checking and raising issues in an unbiased manner for a number of years in covering all political parties.

          • Holly Stick

            "…Most Canadians do not follow politics and don't accept the talking points from any party…"

            Much to Stockwell Day's chagrin:

            "…"When I say that our tax plan is regarded as the most competitive in the G7 countries and I ask people that, hardly any of them are aware," Day said.

            "Those are called talking points and we believe they’re important," the minister added…."
            http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100805/nationa…

          • captcold

            partisans are idiots. Stand up as a citizen, not as a sock puppet. Free your mind. Think for yourself.

      • Jenn_

        If you mean who can afford to buy the election, it is the Conservatives, hands down.

        You should use that as an election slogan. "Conservatives. We buy votes, we don't need to earn them."

        • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

          Interesting analysis. What political party was responsible in making unilateral changes in finance reform?

          When did Television become so important? What political parties are unable to raise funds to produce and run national ads? Do we hold the political party responsible for a poor organization, a poor platform or blame the voters who refuse to open their wallets?

          (Looks like you blame the voters for not opening their wallets on behalf of your party) I would think the fact that Canadians are willing to open their wallets would be a clear sign of earning their support.

          Which political party benefits the most with small donations from a very large base? Which political parties rely on the unilateral changes made by the Liberals for the majority of their revenue?

  • Blacktop

    Actually, the problem goes back into history when Reformers were an undisciplined lot an said whatever they wished, embarrassing the then leader all to hell.
    A few, myself among them, pointed out that greater discipline should be exercised over what dumb-ass comments were being made by members who actually thought it was a free country. That later was extended to Ministers. Now it includes everyone except Mr. Harper.

  • TedTylerEzro

    "But of course, social conservatives like being had and, now that they’ve been informed they’ve been had, will get mad at the Citizen and probably Selley and me for pointing it out. Not at the prime minister of Canada for playing them like a cheap fiddle."

    I am very angry, but what can I do about it? Who else can I vote for? The only thing I can do is look to the next protest party.

    The urban left get their way 99% of the time, so this isn't a huge surprise.

    • NiceGuy

      I would prefer if the Federal government did nothing but deliver the mail and fund the military…but that isn't going to happen unfortunately. The PM has to do an incredible balancing act and he's done it superbly for 5 years.

      • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir_Francis

        Why let the government deliver the mail and fund the military? Don't those services deserve to benefit from the efficiency that submitting to market discipline would provide?

        • Thwim

          Oh please, if he went that far he'd cease being a hypocrite. How would he face himself in the mornings?

      • McC_

        imagine the efficiencies we'd find if 10 provinces and 3 territories were responsible for foreign policy, monetary policy, maintaining the fisheries and oceans, citizenship and immigration, customs and border protection, regulating interprovincial and international transportation, etc. Note to Nice Guy the federal government does a lot of things, not because it's the realization of some lefty-bureaucratic conspiracy, but because it's the most efficient level of administration on that issue. (I know you can list a lot of complete redundancies, where there is no 'natural' or constitutional federal role, but clearly there are many more federal responsibilities than mail and militia)

  • TedTylerEzro

    Who is standing in the way of any of those? Other lefties.

    • Emily

      'Leftie' = anyone you disagree with.

      • TedTylerEzro

        Nope, the cohtrols of raw milk and local beer and wine are a bureaucratic concern. I couldn't care less about a government monopoly on regulating milk production or selling booze.

        Also, given that Montreal and Toronto have a tax base of millions of people, they certainly should be able to raise the funds necessary to build the transportation infrastructure to serve their communities. However, the system of taxation, governance, and bureaucracy is conspiring against you. That, and the overly large size of the bureacracy means that there is less money for infrastructure.

        • McC_

          so even when I lose, I win? yay!

          • TedTylerEzro

            My point is, that whenever conservative (social, fiscal, rural) and liberal interests clash, the liberals win. If anyone has the power to get in your way, its usually another type of liberal, especially if the liberal is part of an entrenched bureaucratic interest.

    • McC_

      the Mrs Lovejoy "won't somebody think of the children" archetype doesn't really fit an easy left-right classification, both the Harrises of the right and the McGuintys of the wherever-the-hell-you-put-a-McGuinty-on-the-spectrum do their best to court their vote with nanny regulations/positions on things like raw milk and beer in the corner store etc.

      • TedTylerEzro

        Yeah, but the Mrs. Lovejoy isn't the one who really gets things done. Bureaucrats do, and there are many government jobs at stake if we deregulate food production (which I'd love btw) and alcohol.

  • NiceGuy

    Ohhhh Wells & Coyne?!?! Live and in person?!?!? Is it too late to exchange my Dog Whisperer tickets??

  • auntie_em_m

    Puke!

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