Want degree, will travel

Getting into into med school abroad may be easier, but it’s tough to come back

by Josh Dehaas on Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:00am - 0 Comments

But the greatest equalizer, say both Dmytryshyn and Ko, is the final two years of the St. George’s program, called a clerkship, which takes place in U.S. hospitals alongside Ivy League students from Cornell University. The source of Ko’s degree was never an issue in training, though Dmytryshyn can remember one time when a supervisor inquired as to her alma mater. That was after a cardiologist passed around an electrocardiogram print-out and she was the only resident to recognize the rare case of Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome. “Where did you go to school?” he asked, obviously impressed.

In fact, researchers have studied whether IMGs (both Canadian and immigrant) have different patient outcomes. In a 2005 study of 130,000 heart attack victims treated in Ontario over an eight-year period, those treated by IMGs had identical rates of survival after one month and one year as patients treated by Canadian-trained colleagues.

Plus, international medical schools mean international experience. Dmytryshyn realized this when she started her clerkship at New York Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn. “In the Caribbean we’d serve the local population, who are more than happy to have med students doing breast exams and blood pressure,” she recalls. The Cornell students didn’t appear to have had any such hands-on experience. She also realized that because of different laws, she had gotten more practice with cadavers than her North American colleagues. “The school practically has keys to the morgue,” she says, with a laugh. She also saw more knife and gun wounds than she would have seen at any Canadian hospital—a thrill, she says.

Vakil concurs. He says that experience in international hospitals was the best surprise about studying abroad. RCSI has placed him at hospitals in Ireland, Jordan and across America. Soon he’ll try a South African hospital. “My friends who got into medical school in Canada say they get maybe one chance to study abroad,” says Vakil.

But in some ways, RCSI is more like Dalhousie than Vakil had expected. There was another student from his hometown of Victoria in his first semester, one of 700 fellow Canadians studying medicine in Ireland right now. There are also annual Canadian-themed parties. During the men’s gold medal hockey game at the Vancouver Olympics, Vakil felt especially close to home. Dozens of fellow Canucks packed into a pub near the university in Dublin and clanked pints of Moosehead to celebrate Sidney Crosby’s winning goal.

Although Vakil wants to come home, he says his chances of landing an internal medicine residency in B.C. are so unlikely that, like Ko, he probably won’t even apply. He says Ontario’s return of service agreement program has made it much easier for IMGs to return than it used to be, but it’s not the right choice for him. “Let’s say I bring my girlfriend so I can do a residency in Toronto. That becomes our life. Then after that’s done, if I’m asked to move to Thunder Bay, Ont., for five years, do I leave my girlfriend behind?” asks Vakil. On top of that, Vakil plans to be an internist and IMGs have more trouble getting into specialty programs like internal medicine, where the competition is fierce. He says he’s resolved himself to working in the U.S. where he’s already made contacts.

It’s Canada’s loss. Vakil says he’d much rather work in the Canadian medical system because it’s a system he supports. But as he prepares for a minimum of five years of training in the U.S., it’s difficult for him to say when, if ever, he’ll return to Canada.

That’s a shame, but it’s nothing new, says Ah Yin Eng, the head of the Association of International Physicians of Canada and a veteran GP in Pembroke, Ont. “Governments complain of a medical brain drain,” says Eng. “But with IMGs, year after year, we lose them to the States.” In the case of Quebec, Health Minister Yves Bolduc says that while the doctor shortage is a problem, he has no fears that Quebec is losing doctors to the U.S. “I think we will have enough family doctors in four or five years,” says Bolduc, who says equivalency processes and allotment of spots are fair. Eng says there’s another reason health ministers aren’t accommodating IMGs who want to come home. “I think they have a hidden agenda,” says Eng. “In Ontario, they’re trying to use nurses and pharmacists to replace doctors. They’re hoping to save money that way, but it won’t work.” With both doctors and patients aging, Canadians are going to demand more doctors, says Eng. In other words, it’s only a matter of time before they try to lure IMGs back from the U.S.

In the meantime, the increasing number of ambitious young Canadians studying medicine abroad can only hope he’s right. Dmytryshyn says she will encourage applicants who don’t get into Canadians schools to apply for training abroad like she did. Being a doctor has been as rewarding as she expected. One recent patient reminded her why she had worked so hard. A 10-year-old boy who had spent much of his life on dialysis recently received a kidney transplant. “When he came to from surgery, he was able to pass urine for the first time,” says Dmytryshyn. She saw the look of amazement and relief at the yellow liquid he’d produced. He cried. “It’s amazing to see someone so happy just to do something we all take for granted every day.” On days like that, she’s glad she didn’t take getting into a Canadian med school for granted.

Top five destinations for Canadians studying medicine abroad

Ireland: Roughly 700 Canadians are currently studying at Ireland’s six medical schools, including the prestigious Trinity College and the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland.

Grenada: Canadian students—over 620 of them this fall—get to snorkel, sail and barbeque lobster on the beach after exams. The first two years of their program are spent on the island, where students help out at local medical clinics. The second two years are spent at hospitals in the U.S.

Australia: There are 232 Canadians at several Australian medical schools.
Students who hold a bachelor’s degree from Canada usually take a four-year graduate program with clinical experience mixed in with coursework throughout the entire four years.
Poland: There were roughly 61 Canadians studying at Poland’s seven English-language medical schools in 2006.

Netherlands Antilles: Dozens of Canadians study medicine at six campuses spread out across the three former Dutch dependencies of Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao, just north of Venezuela.

Sources: Peter Nealon of Atlantic Bridge, Bob Ryan of St. George’s, the Australian Trade Commission, Sandra Banner in CMAJ (2007)

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  • Justin Chen

    Thank you for this article. The issue has been largely been unnoticed by the Canadian public and relegated to a few article in CMAJ. There are other matters that would be great to mention: foreign resident training in Canadian Universities paid by their home governments, recent changes in the CaRMS match procedures for IMGs, grassroots repatriation initiatives in British Columbia, Healthforce Ontario's efforts to bring Ontarian IMGs home, etc.

    Given the already retiring physician workforce and growing elderly population, increasing seats in Canadian medical schools cannot meet with this lag nor prevent brain drain to Canada's large urban centres and the U.S. It is unfortunate that physicians with the clear intention of staying in Canada are being overlooked.

  • Proud Parent

    This is a really good overview of the situation. My McGill educated daughter is at St. Georges. The school is really good. I think that if you did the numbers again, you would find that St. Georges has the largest number of Canadian students outside of Canada because they have two intakes per year and there are 4 years worth of students studying at any one time. The term my daughter enrolled in, out of an entry class of 500, there were over 200 Canadians.

    The cost is horrendous but how else do you get to follow your dreams!

    • brady8

      Lots down in Oz too: I'm just finishing up my 2nd year of medicine at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, and there are just under 100 Canadians in my year, and about 120 in the year behind me.

      Definitely horrendous trying to head home, but Australia is a fine country to live in :)

  • Daniel Palladini

    The Order of Physicians have got our politicians by the cohones and they are not letting go any time soon. The politicians won't push back either.

    We are in need of a minimum of 15,000 doctors. 15,000! And if this great country called Canada wants to attain the average doctor/patient ratio of all the countries that make up the OEDC – we would need 25,000 medical doctors.

    Pity. Wake up Canada.
    100918

    • Daniel Palladini

      (I omitted the following which should be read before the current comment I made).

      When oh when will Canadians wake up?
      No, when will the real journalist of this country step up to the plate and tell it all like it really is?
      No, no. When will our politicians stop taking us folks for granted and begin to really and truly represent us citizens?

      Is the advertising revenue of related industries (read pharmaceutical) so significant – or the subscription to this magazine and other publications by doctors for their w a i t i n g r o o m s so influential, that little is written about the significant shortage of doctors in Canada?

      Our shortage of doctors throughout Canada is the equivalent of the provinces of Alberta and British Columbia without one doctor. H e l l o.

  • +ki

    As a Canadian student from Ontario currently studying at St. George's University (I'm about to finish my first year!!!) I'm truly honoured and excited to see this article!! My sincere gratitude for bringing awareness to our current situation! I too want to come home and practise medicine in our health care system. Your article helps strengthen my hope that although it's currently difficult to return home, the climate of the future may indeed be more welcoming!! Things are changing in Canada and I believe our people will work together to build a stronger, healthier nation!!

  • Dr. Antonio Belda

    As a IMG physician working in ontario I see so ironic that my Canadian born son had to leave the country to study medicine in Grenada. Going directly to the point. A physician in a socialized country like Canada is seen as an expense, as a liability, so to control the expenses physicians are not allowed to have a licence despite the fact that 5 MILLION canadians don't have a family Doctor. We already we have over thousand of physicians in Ontario with all their qualifications and not allowed to have their residency position. WHY? The government and the regulatory agencies are the neck of the bottle. The public MUST know that the lack of physicians is a direct result of government policies. Our present government spent billions in other branches of the government and ignore at the same time the health of the people.

    • Daniel Palladini

      Cuba, a country that has produced such a surplus of medical doctors (meeting the WHO standards) has 65,000 doctors working abroad today in return for needed petroleum and other products. Canada could solve their shortage of doctors rather quickly – if it was the choice of politicians and provincial Order of Physicians to do so.

      Every IMG practising in Canada saves Canadians the cost of their education estimated to be a minimum of $500,000. Doctors from Cuba could satisfy the severe shortage area of Northern Canada and elsewhere with experienced multilingual doctors. Their salaries could be negotiated and paid in part to the Cuban government in the form of medical supplies which Cuba is in dire need of.

      I guess this sounds oh so logical that our politicians are not about to acknowledge such a simple solution to a significant problem. Our journalists are also partially responsible for not exposing the need today for 15 to 25,000 medical doctors in Canada.

      This is not what Tommy Douglas PC, CC, SOM envisaged. Pity.

  • Daniel Palladini

    Dr. Belda, I truly admire your courage for speaking the truth about your very own profession. I wish more doctors would dare to speak out about this atrocity. Frankly I am in the later stages of my life and I have been writing about the shortage of medical doctors in Canada since 1999. I have no children to be concerned about in the future nevertheless I fail to understand why so few Canadians have failed to express their concern about such an important issue – until it effects them and their family.

    The pharmaceutical industry lobbyists play a significant role in keeping the politicians in line and scheduling trips abroad for doctors (and wives) to attend international medical conferences scheduled annually, no quarterly, and usually in distant countries where the climate is just fine, although that country is likely in need of doctors too.

    to be continued

  • Daniel Palladini

    Cuba, a country that has produced such a surplus of medical doctors (meeting the WHO standards) has 65,000 doctors working abroad today in return for needed petroleum and other products. Canada could solve their shortage of doctors rather quickly – if it was the choice of politicians and provincial Order of Physicians to do so.

    Every IMG practising in Canada saves Canadians the cost of their education estimated to be a minimum of $500,000. Doctors from Cuba could satisfy the severe shortage area of Northern Canada and elsewhere with experienced multilingual doctors. Their salaries could be negotiated and paid in part to the Cuban government in the form of medical supplies which Cuba is in dire need of.

    I guess this sounds oh so logical that our politicians are not about to acknowledge such a simple solution to a significant problem. Our journalists are also partially responsible for not exposing the need today for 15 to 25,000 medical doctors in Canada.

    This is not what Tommy Douglas PC, CC, SOM envisaged. Pity.

  • Canadian IMG

    I'm also a Canadian medical student studying in an international school, frustrated at the barriers we face to return to a country desperate for physicians. I just ranked in the top 10% on the first US medical licensing exam, but Canadian schools wouldn't even give that a second glance. The US is glad to take IMGs who have proven their worth, so that is where I'll likely be heading like many others.

  • marika H

    Excellent article! The significant increase in the IMGs registered with the College Of Physicians & Surgeons year over year is proof that Ontario is willing to license more and more Canadian students studying medicine abroad. The problem is with the government….yesterdays news reported McGuinty is spending $31 mil on foreign student to study in Canada. Definately a screw up in priorities here!

  • jerry

    Like Dr Belda, our son is in Grenada as well. He and several of his friends had impressive GPAs and MCAT scores from top Ontario universities. These students did not even bother to apply with Ontario medical schools.
    They will all be fine doctors one day…..what a loss to this country! Wake up McGuinty!

  • WTF

    As a graduate of a Canadian medical school who had to pick up scraps in the second-round of the residency match, I find it frustrating to know that Saudi Arabian residents can buy a position in the residency I wanted, only to go back to Saudi Arabia to practice after they're done!

  • Mike T.

    …Bet y'all wish you'd got into U of T….. :)

  • JHenry

    I just wanted to make a correction to the stats listed at the bottom of this article regarding the number of Canadian students in the Caribbean schools. I currently attend Saba University and in my class of 100, we had 70 Canadian students. I think we have close to 200 on the island at this time. And that is just one school! I'm not sure where these stats came from, but there are certainly more than a dozen of us down here!

  • A.E.A.

    Canadian medical schools are a nightmare to get into…! Having met Dr. Dmytryshyn and seeing what a brilliant, outgoing, and knowledgable person she is, I know that the admission committe at UBC is now kicking itself for not taking her in, 'cause I'm sure she's going to go on and achieve great things, and UBC doesn't get to take any of the credit for it.

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