John Geddes

John Geddes

John Geddes writes on politics and policy, with occasional reporting and comment on arts and culture.

The gun registry vote: a shaken MP, an unsatisfying debate

by John Geddes on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:06pm - 0 Comments

Just before this evening’s vote on the gun registry I ran into Nova Scotia MP Peter Stoffer in the foyer of the House of Commons. He’s usually a jovial, stolid sort of guy—voted most collegial in this year’s Maclean’s survey of MPs. This evening, though, he didn’t look so good.

Stoffer is known for tirelessly attending to his Sackville-Eastern Shore riding. So since his announcement on Monday that he was switching his vote on the gun registry—from opposing it to supporting it—he’s had been working the phones just about non-stop, responding personally to angry constituents who contacted his office to lace into him.

“I don’t use the Internet so I called every single person back,” Stoffer said wearily. “There is no question fair number of people have expressed their severe disappointment in me.”

Stoffer put himself on the winning side, although he didn’t appear to feel that way. He and five other NDP MPs switched their votes to keep the registry alive in this evening’s vote. Six New Democrats sided with the government, but that wasn’t enough. The vote was 153-151 in favour of of a motion to kill Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner’s private member’s bill to scrap the registry.

The questions now are mostly electoral. Will those six NDP switchers pay a price? Will rural Liberal MPs, who were compelled to vote along their party’s pro-registry line, be punished by voters?

“I can’t tell how it’s going to go. I’ll put my name on the ballot and the people will determine if I’m worthy or not,” Stoffer said. “When you reverse a decision, a lot of people think you’ve let them down. That’s a fair comment to make.”

That’s the proper, democratic attitude, of course. Yet it unsettles me. This debate just didn’t seem coherent enough to me for voters to intelligently judge whether their MPs did the right thing or not.

From the anti-registry side, we heard mostly nonsense about how criminals won’t register their guns—as if that was ever the point of the registry. From the pro-registry side, we witnessed a heavy reliance on very broad statistics about the way police use the registry—and surprisingly little research that dug deeper to paint a persuasive picture of how the registry helps.

As for me, I think the balance of evidence supports the keeping the registry. But considering how long this debate has dragged on, it’s surprising the quality of the argument—the facts and the analysis available for fair-minded people to hash over—is still so unsatisfactory.

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  • Mary

    Not only polish off those resumes, boys and gals, but I'll be voting and hoping for a Conservative majority. The Chief of Police in Calgary was in public favor of scrapping it, as guns used in crime aren't registered. When a Calgary police chief votes for less tracking and control, there can't be much benefit.

  • dwcraig

    What was the point of the registry again? Anything that cost so much more than promised must have a point. Or does it?

  • ntombazane

    Can anyone cite a single case in which the owner of a long gun decided against shooting someone because the gun was registered?
    The Loser Coalition's decision to vote in favour of keeping the registry was pure political gamesmanship that showed complete lack of respect for taxpayers' money — more than $2 billion of our money down the drain for nothing.

  • Ntombazane

    Since the Liberals created the gun registry, I am hoping that, if elected one day, they will also create a knife registry. If they promise to do that, I'll vote for them for sure next election day.

    Here in Toronto a lot of crimes are committed with knives.
    A knife registry would be more democratic, because it would give the whole family a chance to be on a registry. It's mostly men who get on gun registries, which is not fair.

    This would be an excellent way to educate our kids, when they are not in all-day kindergarten, about using and storing knives responsibly.

    Police could easily check out how knife owners are using and storing their knives.They could simply swoop at supper time to see that everyone was using then storing their knives properly.

    Police could do this in their downtime, when they are not doing speed traps and parking tags, which is what police do in Toronto.

  • FormerPCer

    Most of the comments here are written by men. I am amazed that Canadians do not remember that 14 women were murdered in Montreal and that is the reason this registry was created. The vast majority of women who are murdered in Canada are murdered with long guns. I cannot believe that the male component of the population cannot think that Canadian lives are more important than whether they are offended as duck hunters. And that they would bring down a government because they are miffed that they cannot have things the way they they have always been on the farm is equally astonishing. We see the effects of uncontrolled firearms in the United States. Why can't more Canadian men think that Canada can do things better and safer than George Bush Harper?

  • Phil Hewkin

    STOFFER can STOFF it u-know where. Criminaliozed, for something, that wasnever a criminal act, nor warranted a criminal charge. Continuing to do something, you have done all your life, as ploitically incorrect as this may be, todaysgun ownersare subjected to a veritable modern day witch-hunt. Imagine. 7 million Canadians, instantly became criminals, because of LIBERAL GUN LAWS, the true source of the divisive drivel, because one Marc Lepine, (Gamil Gharbi) murdered14 women at the MONTREAL MASSACRE. thats right. He was a MUSLIM, MYSOGINISTIC TERRORIST, and, HE KILLEDTHOSE WOMEN, so STOP PUNISHING HONEST FARMERS AND DUCK HUNTERS for this crime that everyone damn-well knows FARMERS AND DUCK HUNTERS did not commit. Is punishing honest citizens for someone else's crime OKAY now, in Canada? Is this the UTOPIAN LIBERAL MINDSET? lock up FARMERS and HUNTERS, in PRISONS, like some godless third world country, rife with civil rights abuse victims? Awful nice of the media, to omit reporting THE TRUTH, how many Canadians must go to prison, and have their lives ruined, by these bad laws, before all the braindeads finally admit something is WRONG? anybody confiscate your CAR, because your license expired? NO. I didnt THINK so. SHUT the HELL UP.

  • Phil Hewkin

    LIBERALS authored the current gun laws. They are a"legal monument" to the Montreal Massacre, peretrated by a miysoginistic terrorist nutbar, named Marc Lepine (aka Gamil Gharbi) NOT by Canadian farmersand hunters. So, WHY maintain laws that serve ONLY to attack and punish people for that atrocity? well, lets see. Marc Lepine punishes innocent women, because of his beleifs. TheCanadian Government punishesinnocent citizens because of their beleifs. I think i get it!
    so, prisons chock full of otherwise law abiding citizens, now, political prisoners, what a swell utopian view! can anyone say;human rights abuse?

  • Phil Hewkin

    ABOUT THESE GUN LAWS….anybody here had their car confiscated, because they drivers license expired? did you get a lengthy jail sentence and/or acriminal record too? no.I didnt think so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119870861377116 ElectroPig

    "From the anti-registry side, we heard mostly nonsense about how criminals won’t register their guns—as if that was ever the point of the registry. From the pro-registry side, we witnessed a heavy reliance on very broad statistics about the way police use the registry—and surprisingly little research that dug deeper to paint a persuasive picture of how the registry helps.

    As for me, I think the balance of evidence supports the keeping the registry. But considering how long this debate has dragged on, it’s surprising the quality of the argument—the facts and the analysis available for fair-minded people to hash over—is still so unsatisfactory."

    Obviously, the author isn't well acquainted with common sense.

    How many "gun related crimes" are going to be stopped because an honest citizen registers their weapons? NONE.

    Of course, you make the point that the gun registry isn't designed for CRIMINALS to register their guns, and you're exactly right! The ONLY people who will register their guns are HONEST CITIZENS, and those people who don't want to BECOME CRIMINALS BECAUSE OF AN IDIOTIC STATUTE THAT DOES NOTHING TO PROTECT ANYONE, and that does so at horrendous and wasteful cost!

    After all, as you say, it's not about getting guns out of the hands of criminals at all…it's about making more people criminals so that they can fjustify all those billions they're pouring into prisons for all of those "unreported crimes" Stockwell Day "promises" are occurring.

    People…wake up.

  • Guest

    Philanthropist….rest assured there is some closet commie working on that now. I think the socialists read George Orwell's 1984 and figure that is the utopian dream they must strive for.

  • Walt

    I did not vote Conservative in the last election and I will not in the next. BUT those who did vote Conservative in order to have the Gun Registry abolished will do so with a vengence in the next and they will bring friends. Ignatieff and Layton were warned.

  • Bill

    I'm against the registry, but for Peter Stoffer, who though he is not my MP, ACTUALLY CALLED ME! HERE IN BC, to explain his choice and reason for switching!
    If only my Conservative MP were as interested.

  • Tom Brown

    I think before John Geddes gets his hands on a Gun, he should go back to School and take some upgrading in English Grammar!

  • ntombazane

    Since when do you need to be grammatically correct to fire a gun?

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