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Standing up to imagined tyranny

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:45pm - 0 Comments

Yesterday’s House debate on the census starts here. The following is the first government interjection and the response from Liberal Marc Garneau.

Mr. Steven Blaney (Lévis—Bellechasse, CPC):  Madam Speaker, I have a question for the member from Westmount—Ville-Marie. I was very interested in what he had to say, and one word in particular struck me, the word “ridiculous” . I am sure that the member opposite will agree with me when I say that it is ridiculous to put honest citizens in jail for refusing to say how many bedrooms they have in their houses or even what kind of cereal they eat in the morning. That is the issue before the House. How can we collect useful data without infringing on individual freedoms? I would like to know whether the hon. member is ready to work with the government, as he has done in the past. Two questions have been added to the short form to collect information for validation purposes, information that will be useful to all Canadians. Is he ready to propose real solutions and to acknowledge that society and individual freedoms have evolved?

Mr. Marc Garneau:  Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the member from Lévis—Bellechasse. I hardly know where to begin. It makes me laugh to hear the Conservative government keep talking about prison sentences. Was my Conservative Party colleague asleep under a rock all summer long? Did he not hear the opposition parties say that they were ready to get rid of prison sentences? In fact, that is in today’s motion. I do not know why he always has to make it all about prison sentences. On the radio this summer, I remember hearing him say to listeners that the census asked people what kind of cereal they ate for breakfast. That is disinformation. It simply is not true. The 2006 census did not ask people what kind of cereal they ate for breakfast or how many toilets they had in their houses. But that did not stop the government from waging a disinformation campaign to promote its ideology. I would suggest that the member read the census. That way, he will know what questions are in it and will understand that those questions are important for policy-making in our country, and for helping people in Canada, including the residents of Lévis—Bellechasse.

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  • TJCook

    "Imagined tyranny?"

    Stockwell Day would prefer to call it "unreported tyranny."

    • Sigh

      Hence the need to build more guillotines.

    • Reverend_Blair

      As he rides around on his unregistered tyrannosaurus, of course.

  • burlivespipe

    This government wants us to be a nation of the 'unreported'… from unreported bathroom counts to unreported crimes; just as long as we all know there are private prisons on the docket to be built to house the unreported criminals and …

    • tedbetts

      And yet they want to greatly expand the power of the state to spy on us, to detain us without a warrant, to collect information about us without a warrant and to be able to use that information to prosecute us.

  • Emily

    Cons seem to have a collective real phobia about jail time. Maybe it's a guilty conscience?

    • TJCook

      Retirement planning?

    • Trudeau lover

      As a Liberal i say we don't put anyone in jail, that would fix those Cons. Free Paul Bernardo now, he has been rehabilitated.

  • L.Lea

    CPC = Misinformation R Us.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

    I own one toilet, eat mostly Shreddies (prefer the diamond-shaped ones), Honey Bunches of Oats and Froot Loops for breakfast and leave for work at 8:00 a.m. Those are my census bonus-round answers.

    Yes, I eat Froot Loops for breakfast, which explains why I support an invasive and coercive mandatory long-form census.

    • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

      I eat oatmeal. Where does that leave me?

      • Charles H.

        It depends: do you put anything on it? Sugar? Milk? Nuts? Fruit? Organic fruit?

        • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

          Calcium-fortified yoghurt.Osteoarthritis prevention can never begin too soon. Plus yoghurt helps regulate your digestive tract. Too much information? I guess that answers the original question, then.

          • DBM

            You were going strong with Oatmeal, but I think the moment you said 'Calcium-fortified' you became a member of the hated elite.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

        Probably a supporter of the Quakers.

      • danby

        It probably leaves you in the same place Mr Blarney's conservative talking point belongs

        • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

          Yes. Oatmeal is an excellent source of fibre.

    • Patchouli

      Just don't let 'em know you're cuckoo for cocoa puffs…they'll put you away in one of those new prisons we're all going to pitch in and build.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

        Ever since Count Chocula went on record as saying 'I want to eat your cereal!' the government has wanted him behind bars as well.

        • MostlyCivil

          Jail is the only place for Cereal Killers.

          • Sigh

            It had to be said.

  • John

    Blaney v. Astronaut. Gee, I wonder who is going to win this argument?

    • ahm

      Cavemen, of course. No need to get all shirty about it.

      • MostlyCivil

        Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

        Wait…ah, crap.

  • gottabesaid

    Can someone answer me this: if government is being tyrannical in having a mandatory long-form census, wouldn't it follow that a census of any kind is tyrannical? Why is it OK to coerce information in one instance, and not in others? I'd love an sound, reasoned answer to that question.

    I'm gonna start holding my breath………now.

    • Trudeau lover

      Cons just don't get it, we need to get back to power so we can ask Canadians whatever we want, who cares whether they don't like it. Liberal/Separatists know whats best for everyone, and Cons just don't get that.

      • Doris Day lover

        Yes we get it! Those LIEberal Toronto elites want to ask you to fill out some forms in order to make sound evidence based policy! FORMS GODDAMMIT IT! You know what evidence leads to? The ability to refute fallacious arguments, and we couldn't have that in Canadian politics. Besides, the census asks when you cleaned your gutters last which is an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

  • gottabesaid

    Actually, I think this is one of the more reasonable boards around, regardless your political persuasion. Plus, I want a good answer to that question because I haven't heard one yet (…but, no, I'm not really expecting one…)

    • Mike T.

      The answer is yes, but the conservatives don't care about making coherent arguments anymore, and are willing to gamble that Canadians don't want them.

      • gottabesaid

        Well, it's been three hours now… nobody's touched the question. I thought some brave Conservative supporter would come forth and set me straight…

  • Patchouli

    Evil Marc Garneau, who only POSES as a Canadian hero…

    • MostlyCivil

      Well, he did spend time outside of Canada. And outside the atmosphere. Were there Russians on the space station!? Coalition!

      • Stewart_Smith

        Indeed, if we should consider weighing the unCanadianness of our MPs not just by the time away from Canada but also the distance, then Garneau is way out there.

        • tobyornotoby

          And the weightlessness, don't forget the weightlessness. Time free of the restrictions of earth's atmosphere changes a person, makes them less able to contemplate the gravity of the government's position.

  • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

    Standing up to imagined tyranny

    Hasn't that been what the left has been doing for the last four years now? Isn't it what Wherry's blog is all about?

    • TJCook

      From the whining and griping I hear around this place, it's not just the left who's imagining tyranny.

      • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

        lol, Wherry might be a knee-jerk leftist, but he's no tyrant — imagined or otherwise.

    • Trudeau lover

      Tyranny from the left is a good thing!

  • madeyoulook

    CPC: We don't want to be jailing people who really value their privacy.
    Lib: We want to start not jailing people who really value their privacy.
    Current state: No one has ever been jailed if they really valued their privacy.

    Oh my, but this is turning into a very long week.

    • tobyornotoby

      Something about your post makes me want to say "there, there, myl, there, there."

  • trudeau lover

    Mr.Garneau is the greatest person that has ever lived, except Pierre, and not just because he's a Liberal. he's a hero and stuff.

    • MostlyCivil

      You really need to work on your delivery. And your timing. Your material ould use some work, too.

  • Trudeau lover

    I say if Canadians don't vote Liberal/Separatist, than they should be thrown in jail. This is the most important issue on the planet, and someone like Marc Garneau understands that because he's a hero who's been to outer space, and thats super important. Cons just don't get that!

    • brooster

      I see that the Con loser is back to his dirty tricks.

  • chet

    Quick question:

    How long is the long form census?

    I actually don't know that. And I suspect the reason I don't know that, is its because its well over a single page, and the sheer volume of questioning would intimidate the average Canadian, and in and of itself be an emblem of Government over reach into our lives,

    and so the leftist media simply omits the very salient point as to how "long" the long form census is.

    I'm going to go look it up now and will report back with the answer.

  • chet

    40 PAGES?

    Our citizenry is subjected to mandatory reporting of…..

    FORTY PAGES

    worth of probing questions.

    So good to see our "balanced" media not bothering to mention it's gargantuan length, in the debate as to whether it should be long or short.

    I wonder also how many of their push polls fail to mention this little tidbit when their seeking out polling support for their preconcieved "correct" positions.

  • chet

    Oh and where did Google lead me to to get the answer:

    The Frasure Insitute

    Damn those evil "right wing" think tanks daring to disclose highly relevant information and such.

    • tobyornotoby

      How about if we make it less pages than the mortage agreement we sign with a bank, or the insurance agreeemnt we have on our house or the burial plan with the funeral home? Or the contract with our employer …

  • danby

    There seems to be a typo in the spelling of the last name of the Member from Lévis—Bellechasse. Allow me to correct it:

    Mr. Steven Blarney

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