Bonhomme strikes back

A veteran Quebec sovereignist accuses Maclean’s of ‘constructive xenophobia’

by Jean-François Lisée on Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:20am - 0 Comments

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I was more amused than shocked by Maclean’s cover naming Quebec “the most corrupt province in Canada.” It certainly feels that way these days, and Martin Patriquin’s only challenge was to cram in a single story all the strands of allegations and shady shenanigans surrounding Quebec’s current Jean Charest government. All the facts in the story are public knowledge, and for the most part brought to light by an aggressive Quebec media and no less insistent opposition parties.

Granted, the blow—being named most corrupt province—was not as painful for me to take as for most of my brethren, since I am aware of Maclean’s penchant for take-no-prisoners covers. Thanks to the weekly’s headline writers, I have been informed these past few months that Lawyers are Rats, Hitler is Back, Toronto Sucks, New York is a Land of Constant Terror, Hillary Adopted an Alien Baby, and Bush was a new Saddam.

No wait! Maybe one of those titles came from another magazine. No matter. Having been a journalist for a couple of decades, I did try to find in last week’s issue the methodology used to grant Quebec its number one spot on the corruption scale. I was curious to know who was number two, and how wide the margin was—as in Maclean’s yearly university rankings. Did the writers use the number of corruption convictions of elected officials in each province since 2000? The cash amount proven to have changed hands illegally? Or, since no conviction is to be found in Quebec (yet?), the number of police inquiries in play? I was disappointed. Maclean’s has no comparison metrics whatsoever. The whole cover is based on opinion and perception alone. Hopes for a Pulitzer on this one are dim.

So, what is the fuss about? A screaming headline loosely based on facts? They’re a dime a dozen. They sell. And Maclean’s is in the selling business. So all would be forgiven, if it were not for Andrew Coyne’s scoop that Quebecer’s are impervious to “constructive criticism.” Let’s try.

Coyne to Quebec: I have some constructive criticism for you.

Quebec: Great, let’s hear it

Coyne: You are pathologically corrupt.

Quebec: Gee, thanks!

The story is not about the trifecta of: 1) alleged and probably rampant political-donation-for-contracts schemes of the current Quebec government; 2) alleged and demonstrably occurring strong-arm tactics and graft culture of one major element of one of many Quebec unions; and of 3) alleged and probably rife bidding-rigging system of a group of contractors (dubbed «the fabulous fourteen») in the Montreal area since earlier in the decade. That would have been sufficient for a cover.

No, Maclean’s writers purport to show—and clearly affirm—that Quebecers as a people are inherently, historically and systemically corrupt. “Deeply entrenched,” “inevitable” lack of ethics, with “roots of corruption [that] run deep,” “a pattern.” “A peculiar set of pathologies,” writes Coyne. “A long line of made-in-Quebec corruption that has affected the province’s political culture at every level,” writes Patriquin. (Yes, “every” level!)

Two arguments are marshaled to explain why Quebec stands “in a league of its own” in the corruption sweepstakes. The first is the size of government. The second is the corrupting impact of a nationalist culture intent on getting “loot” or “booty” from Ottawa.

Let’s deal with the voodoo economics first. According to Maclean’s, the bigger the size of government in the economy, the badder, and the sleazier. Quebec being the most left-of-centre government on the continent it should, of course, be the most corrupt. Am I allowed to use comparative figures in this rebuttal? Transparency International tracks corruption in world. People are asked if they had to pay a bribe or if they feel that private companies have to. The last report, like the previous ones, does show correlation between size of government and graft: reverse correlation. European governments and the greatest spenders, Scandinavian governments, are deemed significantly cleaner than North American governments, who leave more of the economy to the private sector. Haliburton, anyone ? (A contender in my “best quote ever” file is from David Frum’s recent report on a major Republican consultant commenting on the last small-government Republican administration: “I thought we would get more done before becoming completely corrupt!”)

Then there is the “booty” paradigm. Here Quebec’s incessant requests combine with Canada’s victimization as the benevolent provider faced with ingrates. Pierre Trudeau can be thanked for having conceived and pushed this narrative. In 1950 he wrote that Quebecers “are turning into a disgusting bunch of blackmailers.” Ripping into the Meech Lake Accord 42 years later, he revisited the quote, in Maclean’s: “Things have changed since then, but for the worse.”

The “bidding war” tenet is now entrenched into the Canadian psyche. It will stay there, I am sure. But let me explain why it is wrong. Equalization: yes, Quebec gets more in the aggregate—and less per person—than any other province. But newsflash: for decades we told Ottawa that we would rather have jobs than dole. And we tired of explaining that if the federal investment in the economy (capital, purchases, research, grants) were distributed in proportion to the population, Quebec would instantaneously knock off one point of unemployment off the chart, more so over the years, and get less equalization.

Take energy, for instance. According to Stéphane Dion’s count, the federal purse sank $40 billion into Alberta’s tar sands industry. Fourteen of these billions came from Quebec. Add in the billions for Ontario’s CANDUs and Newfoundland’s sweet deal on Hibernia and you get quite a tab, a quarter of which was paid by the booty-hunters. Now let’s compare that with federal investment in Quebec’s hydro-power in the last, say, hundred years. The answer is zilch. (But we got Mirabel. Don’t get me started.)

There is an impact on Quebec. Call it blowback. According to a recent university study (not from a Quebec university), the loonie’s overvaluation, driven by oil gushing from Alberta and Newfoudland, has destroyed 55,000 jobs in Quebec manufacturing in just five years. A sign of things to come. But, not to worry, equalization growth has been capped for the future, so future oil damage to Quebec (and Ontario’s) manufacturing base will hardly be offset anymore.

The narrative is most entertaining when it comes to “buying” votes in Quebec. The Mulroney government will never shake the very political decision to grant Quebec’s Canadair, rather than Manitoba’s Bristol, the 1986 CF-18 maintenance contract. But does that reflect the whole picture? In November 1991, anti-booty nastiness in Parliament reached unprecedented heights. Then-Treasury Board President Gilles Loiselle, charts in hand, felt compelled to admit to MPs that transfers to other provinces had grown 7 to 10% in the last 15 years, but only 4% for Quebec. Only in Ottawa would a Quebec politician have to pledge to be stingy towards his home province.

Figures are clear for the referendum period. Yes, Ottawa illegally funded shady pro-Canada outfits during the campaign—that much has been proven. But the sums were paltry. Let’s look at the real figures. From its 1994 high point to the 1998 low point, federal capital investment—Ottawa’s most direct input—was reduced, overall, by 31 per cent in Canada. These were the dark days of deficit reduction. In Ontario, the reduction was 19 per cent. In Québec, 33 per cent. That makes Bonhomme Carnaval a pretty inept booty hunter.

But we’ve still got the dole, right? Consider this: In the same period, Ottawa moved to rein-in the financial flow to Quebec, over and above the severe across-the-board cuts in health, education and welfare funding. Respected economist Pierre Fortin figures that the EI reforms added a $100 million per year burden on Quebec. And the 1999 surprise reform of transfers wiped-out Quebec’s (and Newfoundland’s) redistributive advantage and reduced Quebec’s expected share of new funding by $1.8 billion over five years. And forget about compensation for GST harmonization or for the ice storm damage, where other provinces in strangely similar circumstances, and whose characters are not sullied on front pages, fared way, way better.

I lived these days from the inside (full disclosure: I was an adviser to Lucien Bouchard). We didn’t find no booty. We found a stubborn willingness on the part of the Chretien government to make things as hard as they could and to impede our (in the end successful) attempt at balancing our own books. Their take was that separatist politics hurt our economy—and they tried to make that happen. Our take was that a fiscally sound Quebec would be in better shape to become independent.

Among the Maclean’s issue’s most preposterous assertions is that Chrétien’s sponsorship scandal is a sign of Quebecers’ intrinsic black soul. Shouldn’t it be remembered that the Chrétien government was never elected by Quebecers? That was Ontario’s doing. We voted for something called the Bloc. For a long while, Chrétien’s only Quebec MPs were elected in non-francophone ridings, Chrétien himself having trouble keeping his own. When the sponsorship scandal broke, we coalesced around candidates whose slogan was “A clean party for Quebec,” and that was not the Liberals. In fact, in 2005, Quebeckers were so incensed about this scandalous Ottawa-based attempt at buying their loyalty, and grease the wheels of the rejected federal Liberal party in the process, that 55% were willing to secede from the corrupting machine then and there. (Sadly, separatists were not in power in Quebec City at that point to make it happen.)

I have a great idea for a Maclean’s cover. Picture a Bonhomme Carnaval with a halo. No, better yet, a crowd of such Bonhommes as far as the eye can see. The title: Quebecers: Canada’s resilient corruption-busters.

The story would go like this. Eliot Ness-type figures battling corruption are a staple of Quebec culture. It seems to be in the national Quebec genome to rise up against graft and sleaze. Not that they haven’t been duped. In the forties, they loved Maurice Duplessis because he denounced and ridiculed the corruption of the preceding Liberal government. But he then became as a great corrupter himself. In the 1950s, they turned to the incorruptible inspector Pax Plante and crusader Jean Drapeau, who cleaned-up Montreal’s Mob and brothels with a vengeance. Drapeau became a hero, then an autocratic, visionary, and at times inept—but never corrupt—mayor. In the 1960s, the new white knight was René Lévesque, who championed procurement reform in a Liberal “équipe du tonnerre” that equipped Quebec for the modern world. The decade nearly was scandal-free. In the early 1970s collusion between a mob-related union, the FTQ-Construction, and the Quebec Liberal government saw the rise of new corruption-busters in a commission that was followed more closely than hockey night. Brian Mulroney and Lucien Bouchard’s careers take their roots in this largely successful cleansing effort. (One of those lost his way on the road to power and large envelopes with cash. The other did not and remains a symbol of integrity, even stinginess.)

In 1976, scandal odours polluted Robert Bourassa’s government. That factor contributed to his being named Quebec’s most despised politician (he would recover). He was replaced by Quebec’s most revered (to this day) politician, René Lévesque, who would shield Quebec politics from graft with the then-tightest financing law on the continent. In time, both France and Canada would copy its path-charting vision. It would take 15 years for the corrupt to find ways around it, which they did.

But from 1976 to the early 2000s, the ingrained, visceral, culturally nurtured aversion of Quebecers to graft prevailed, and only low-level, small-scale lobbying mischief was to be reported from Quebec City or Montreal. This quarter-century of relative cleanliness must have weakened the collective antibodies of honest Quebecers. They have been reawakened by the new slew of corruption described above. How are Quebecers reacting? They are angry as hell. Over 80 per cent want a full inquiry, 58 per cent want Charest out, and fast. Engineers, policemen, attorneys associations, the Montreal city council, all scream for an inquiry and a robust clean-up. Journalists are all on the prowl, cheered ahead by readers and viewers. Like an endless crowd of furious holy Bonhommes, Quebecers can’t wait to throw the rascals out, and the corrupt in jail. If elections had been held any time in the last 18 months, they would have had their wish. It is only a question of time before the long history of integrity of Quebec prevails, once again.

In reacting to the corrupt-Bonhomme cover, Gilles Duceppe quoted a definition of xenophobia from the European Council: “a systematic or irrational hostility towards one or many individuals, mainly motivated by their nationality, culture, gender, religion, ideology or geographic origin.” So. Let’s address the core question. Are Maclean’s writers, Coyne in particular, and its editors who have published his piece as sound journalism and commentary, xenophobic about Quebec? The answer lies in this question: Had Coyne written that Jews were pathologically greedy, Blacks pathologically lazy or Newfoundlanders pathologically goofy, the copy would have been thrown out the window.

I will not win this argument in the English Canadian media because the standard for anti-Quebec writing has been lowered since 1990 to make Quebecers fair game for wholesale put-downs.

Jan Wong famously wrote in The Globe and Mail that the Dawson and Polytechnique killings found their roots in Quebec’s language laws. That prejudiced nonsense was backed by The Globe’s editors (to Jean Charest’s very great chagrin). Lawrence Martin based part of his book demonizing Lucien Bouchard on a psychologist’s opinion that the separatist leader was mentally deranged. (Wait—aren’t those synonyms: separatist and deranged?) Mordecai Richler’s book about Quebec, at 85,000 copies sold the most widely read treatise on Quebec in the ROC, asserted that 66 per cent of my fellow tribesmen were “highly anti-semitic.” More than in Germany in the early 1930s. Even Peter Gzowski defended him. Diane Francis lamented that separatist leaders couldn’t be arrested and hanged. She was named Woman of The Year by Chatelaine.

These are not rednecks mumbling about the devilish threat of bilingualism and of the metric system in farms out west. These are mainstream, respected writers in Canada’s major media. And they jumped in, earlier this month, denouncing Quebec for attempting to blackmail the Harper government for a stake in a sports arena. The request is debatable—I criticized it on my blog—but the knee-jerk and accepted reaction in the Canadian press and political elites is not to reject the claim on its merits, but to insult Quebecers’ character as a whole.

This is where we are. This is xenophobia. This is what Maclean’s salesmanship rides on and perpetuates as we speak. Yes, I am in favour of the independence of Quebec. Like about half of my fellow francophones these days, I want my nation to be fully responsible for its successes and failures—equalization payments be damned. But on the too-long road towards that day, I sometimes tire. Then, I simply pick up the Toronto press and smell the now run-of-the-mill disdain and contempt routinely showered upon Quebec, to remember another reason why I want out. I dream of living in a country that respects me. That, I do not have.

*****

Jean-François Lisée has been the executive director of the International Studies Center of the Université de Montréal since its inception in 2004. Apart from having been an advisor to the Antichrist (Jacques Parizeau) and to the equally devilish Lucien Bouchard, he is a journalist and author. His last book is entitled Imaginer l’après-crise. Although written by a mere Quebecer, the book features a good number of long words. Not only has Lisée received Quebec journalism awards—awarded for, to quote Jeffrey Simpson “what passes for journalism in Quebec”—but sure-fire Canadian ones, too, like the Governor General’s award for non-fiction and a number of Canadian magazine awards, including a silver award this past year for excellence in column writing for, among others, a column on corruption in Quebec. He actually wrote this rebuttal himself, in English. Hard to believe!

His other rantings (in French) are available on his blog at L’actualité.

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  • New separatist

    As Trudeau once said of Nixon's xenophobic harangue (look it up in the dictionary you dimwitted low brow) "I've been insulted by better people".

  • Sylva

    I know may comment wont make a difference in a country that is brainwashing itself denying a realité; there,s to nation in Canada. That's it That's all. It,s a fact. Stop the xenophobic crap so you can denye the reality. It's interesting to notice that the only culture that is bashed down and fought against all the time is the only true non-naitve CANADIEN culture.
    Il english canadians would have made room for Québec's canadian dream, there would be no seperatis movement today.
    The real separatists are the english canadian who ejected Québec from there Canadian fairytale symbolic identity world since the referendum.
    I dont want to be in a country were my so called compatriots keep bullying me for defending and promoting who I am and who I am is a product of the canadian land.
    Continue to blind yoursefl in your canadian religion!!!!

    • liminator

      "Il english canadians would have made room for Québec's canadian dream, there would be no seperatis movement today."
      lolol, Do I need to remind you that in the treaty of Paris, no one would take you but us! That every other immigrant were just thankful to come here, begin a new life and prospered, on their own! Why not try it?

  • Pascval-Simon Houle

    Quebec IS the most corrupt province in Canada. It's been that way forever and a day. I should know I live in Quebec, Quebec City more precisely, and we need to clean up our act real soon now because at this rate not only will we be bankrupt and depending even more on Canada's wealth to live and afford our life style but we'll be proving that we do only 2 things right: corruption and whining.

    • Joël

      You're lost

      • Joël

        et un gros colon, as we say

  • claude Martel

    After 20 years in the field of communication, I'm still amazed that reputable magazines and newspapers can publish BS articles solely based on someone's opinion and no facts. Lisee is right about his description of Coyne’s position.

    I would expect this from tabloid magazines, or is it what MacLean's has become, no facts all …. (I will refrain from commenting further).

    But I suggest that people speak with their wallets and stop supporting such things that want to be called Journalism.

    • Joël

      Maclean's have been tabloid for a few years now… have you missed how often they make "shock" headlines in big bold red characters on the front page?

  • liminator

    Canada is proud of its British tradition of open and freedom of speech and opinion, which was actually won for us by the Empire. Reminds me of how difficult it was for Britain and United States to get the french to end its slave trade of Africans and Haitians. And its transporting of prisoners to far Islands. Yes, we are lucky to have a magazine and real journalists not afraid of the boogy home man!

    • Joël

      Newfie, you pretend to have read some history… but the voices in your head don't count as "reading"

  • Bilingual Quebecker

    Dear disappointed, perhaps if you bothered to learn French and speak it well, you'd find that your chances of employment in this province is even greater, because then you'd be bilingual? Just a thought…

    Quebec employment laws, in keeping with Bill 101, required public employees to be fluent in French. Oh my God! The discriminiation! Someone call the constitution police! Puh-lease. There are incompetent, unqualified people in Quebec, and there are incompetent, unqualified people in equal proportions in each one of the English-speaking provinces. Guess what? There are incompetent, unqualified people abroad, too! Two wrongs do not make a right. Shame on you for suggesting it might.

  • quebecdom

    Canada should be proud of it's British past what with the genocidal Deportation of the Acadians, the first nation ever to use chemical warfare by forcing smallpox on the native First Nations, the burning, looting and raping of whole Quebec villages during the 1760 war.
    Wow liminator how lucky we really are and proud to be a Brit and read the rag Maclean's with a cup of tea under the portrait of our Queen!

    • liminator

      HEY, not a bad Idea. I can see we needed a napoleon. We will not let the compassionate British clean up, the next time. What a lousy job they did.

      • Joël

        Just a reminder, you are now incorporated into the Canadian Federation.

        Please act as a Canadian, not a British Subject already.

  • Daniel Lapointe

    I wish we could follow your advice. We got close in 1995 (No: 50.58%, Yeas: 49.42%), but corrupted Chrétien used public money to cheat. In 1995, tens of thousands of Canadians came to Montreal to tell us how much the love us. Where are they now?

  • Rue Notre Dame

    Explain to me why it's only the LIBERALS who are corrupt. The party exists in the Province since the 50's. But corruption, graft , under the table deals and outright payoffs have been the daily routine in Québec for generations. To suggest that it's only the LIBERALS is the reason Quebec is drowning in debt and scandal. Duplessis was NOT a Liberal and is considered the way things were done in Quebec.
    Spare us the cheap PQ and Bloc tactics. When the PQ were in power the last time ,they were ALWAYS in the presence of union leaders. So much so you could ask if they were body guards or "really close friends". Does the Laval subway @ 343 Millions that untimately cost over a billion ring a bell, no , how about the " Biblioteque national" @ 134 millions that cost over 300 .Al this while Pauline Marois was sending home 5000 health care workers. Should I go on.
    Québec resorts to corruption because it's a closed market. Open up ALL projects to out-of-province bidding using their workers and I guarantee you corruption in quebec will come to a halt.

  • jim

    Well done M. Lisée. A passionate and well-defended response to the cheap form of journalism that McLeans practices. Bravo!

  • Paul Monroe

    M. Lisée has written an excellent piece airing his opinion of the Bonhomme cover and the article on Québec's corruption.
    As a Permanent Resident living in Montréal I agree that it reeks of sensationalist journalist aimed at selling more magazines. At the same time the examples of corruption portrayed in the article are all too real.
    I really liked the fact that M. Lisée criticizes the tone of the article and not the facts. Quebecers despise corruption.
    I think it was a proper response to the article and I believe it is laudable the fact that Maclean's as published it (even though we all know it wouldn't have the same impact as the original article – the damage was already done).

  • glen

    well Quebec wants to seperate, i don't know why we don't say OK!

    look at all the new countries that are happening in europe.each province should be it's own country, under one flag if everyone agree's , why not?

    i'm sick of putting up with crap from Ontario, why should everyone just fall inline with what Ontario dictates.

    i for one would like more independence.

    • echo sierra

      Hear, Hear

    • Cormack Aroni

      I agree, we need a real confederation with a really smal central governement that will stop spending money like crazy and create anger between its members. In fact each province should have its "Bloc" at the commons.

    • yves

      Glen congradulations you are ahead of your time . Soon we will see Canada disintegrate . I mean the federation as we know it . Every part will be independant and will do like Europe and group up , negociate and share some

    • candy canuck

      What do you think will happen with the maritimes? Will we tell them to leave as well because we now have to go through either Quebec or the U.S. to get there? How will we handle the shipping business coming down the St. Lawrence? Which provinces should be part of the country and which ones can just go?

      People here talked about countries in Europe finding independence? Have you also looked at their financial status? As far as the separatists—look long and hard at those countries and figure out how long you would be trying to get back to the present standard of living? Almost everyone who has spoken here sounds like an idiot—so maybe we could do this another way. Find a place –maybe north of Whitehorse or something–and all the English idiots and all the French idiots can all go up there–we'll give you territory status and give you some money–and you guys can fight it out. Send the rest of us, the sane people who still maintain some common sense, a letter and tell us how it went.

      • cory b

        nice one, best thing i've read so far.

  • Molari

    I say that Jean-Francois Lisee is wasting his breath writing this and trying to reason with the unreasonable xenophobic English media and RoC.

    English Canadians are bigots and will never change. ;)

  • Gilles de NDH

    Vous avez parfaitement raison Molari. Le texte générateur de cette réplique en est une illustration idoine. Et c'est bien la preuve que nous ne sommse pas canadiens. Et quant à moi ne le serons jamais.

  • ron

    wow pretty wide ranging statement don't you think. English Canadians are bigots what did that just make you.
    Again I say you are listening to a loud minority unfortunately most of us do not have a platform to show our
    appreciation of not only Quebec but the West and East as well, I am Canadian and proud and that includes all
    Provinces and territories

  • Michael

    Je ne suis pas un bigot. Your post reeks of ignorance and cockiness. I (from Ontario) happen to like having Quebec as part of Canada, even if it is reported that it is a net receiver of funds from our federal government. (Why should that be?) The people of Quebec add a beautiful cultural contribution to that which is Canada, just as the people of Newfoundland, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and every single other province and territory do. I couldn't imagine Canada without any one of these and anyone who does is acting as a Carcinogen. Let the damned politicians sort it out. Demonstrate a depth of character will you. (Yes, even behind the protection offered by a discussion forum)

    Your post here adds creedance to the fact there is good and bad everywhere.

    Merci beaucoup pour your enlightening contribution.

    Salut.

  • yves

    And i agree completely with you knowing them for 45 years ans still traveling throuh this country called Canada i have quit hoping . Nobody changes we are what we are for the better or the worst, that's it that's all…

  • QCmom

    We would have but Federalist dishonesty and big money would not let us !

  • jacques noel

    Bourassa 1 and the rotten meat sold by the Mafia in pizzerias
    Bourassa 11 and Beaver construction own by Senetor Rizzuto
    Chrétien, Gagliano, Morselli and the sponsorship's scandal
    Mulroney and Airbus
    Maire Tremblay and Accurso
    Charest, Tomassi and the daycare center
    Charest, Fava and the juges

    What all those scandals have in commun?
    1) Just Federalists are involved (not a single big scandal in 40 years in Québec with a Sovereignist)
    2) Almost all the time there is a big Italian connection in the scandal. No Chinese. No Haitians. No Portugueses. Always Italians and Ultra-Federalist!

  • seb

    Bouh. a raciste, raciste et demi.

  • jacques noel

    Because underlining that ALL scandals in Québec involve FEDS is racist while Maclean's blame nationalists?
    Underlining than ALL scandals in Québec involve some Italians is racist while Chineses, Haitians or Portugueses are never involved?

  • Claude Lapointe

    Easy and cheap shot on Italo-Québécois. Majority of them are hard workers, federalists and Liberal Party voters, but they are part of US. Some of them are corrupters and mafia members, but any ethnic group have their bad people.

    Claude Lapointe

  • liminator

    I live in Vancouver and am perfect. I love all my neighbours!. lol What a hillarious joke! Some of us have lived there you know and its about as backward and a hateful place I ever been to. We will trade you 50 french for every Asian! That pass the CIA test. lol Then we would feel more like its home!

  • liminator

    What do you use for knee pads?

  • Mario B.

    You said that, Michael, but, as a French-speaking Québécois, I'm always surprised how much your english radio stations always ignore the french-language songs. If you would love us really, you would try to hear a bit from our culture. In fact, many Canadian English-speaking singers are known in Québec, but who knows the Québec artists in ROC?
    Mario B.

  • candy canuck

    I actually thought only Americans wrote things as stupid as some of the things I have read on here–from both sides.
    McLeans was a dying magazine not that long ago. Now they put the most inflammatory covers they can get away with to sell magazines. And you all buy into it. I am expecting an issue to soon show 'the woman who had the three-headed baby', ala The Enquirer.
    Some of the comments made here are intolerable. What would happen to Canada without Quebec? What will happen to Quebec without Canada? The ramifications would not benefit anyone. Quebecers should try to look ahead and not back so much—-English Canada should look back and learn its history and understand some of the anger. This is an excellent country no matter which province one lives in and Canadians are respected no matter where in this world one travels. Don't mess with a good thing. McLeans has done itself more harm than having one issue sell. I, for one, a resident of Kingston, Ont., is cancelling my McLeans subscription and I challenge the rest of you to do the same.

  • Le séparatiste 2

    HA HA HA, rien de plus marrant que de voir la chicane pogner sur la question nationale.
    Un jour on s'ennuiera de nos bons vieux boomers enragés, ça c'est moi qui vous le dit.
    Tous ceux qui ont le moindre jugement savent que l'article du mac clean était d'une malhonnêteté intellectuel digne de la réputation de ce magazine, rien de nouveau en tout cas.
    Tous ceux qui ont le moindre jugement savent que si la dynamique confédérale était respectée, le Canada serait peu être un pays respectable. Mais un gouvernement fédéral centralisateur et bailloneur à ce point ne mérite pas d'avoir le pouvoir sur ce grand pays.
    Donc, même si la vie m'aurait donné naissance ailleurs au Canada, je serais sécessioniste. Seulement, dans une autre langue, et avec d'autres idéaux pour l'après.
    La structure parlementaire canadienne était bien au 18e siècle mais là… On est dû pour la suite des choses…
    Pour être libre la gouvernance doit se faire le plus près possible du peuple.
    Et vraisemblablement, Ottawa ne suivra pas l'évolution.

    Alors je dit OUI !
    Et vivre le Québec libre !

  • H.D.Brockstein

    they should take their share of Canada's debt and shove off. Canada would be better off.

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