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The Commons: Delighting in the missteps of one’s opponent

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 6:03pm - 0 Comments

The Scene. The politician draws confidence not only from real or perceived demonstrations of his own righteousness, but from the real or perceived missteps of his opponent. The former may carry one forward, but it is often the latter that gets one through the day.

And so whatever the Photoshop shame of the day before, Michael Ignatieff was not ready this afternoon to let rest this matter of the sick and elderly. Indeed, he seemed only emboldened.

“Mr. Speaker,” he began en francais, “yesterday when I announced the Liberal plan for family care, the Conservatives said these families could use their holidays to care for their families.”

“Shame!” called out a voice from the Liberal side.

“They have no holidays,” Mr. Ignatieff explained. “They sacrificed their holidays.”

Why, he wondered, did the government so misunderstand?

The Prime Minister stood, buttoned and straightened his jacket and proceeded with a series of shrugs. This was, he figured, the fifth time the Liberals had promised such help, the first four times without success. The Liberals, he reckoned, were eager to raise taxes that would negatively impact the economy. “That is why,” he concluded, “this government can not support something so irresponsible as that.”

Mr. Ignatieff stood and wondered aloud if the Prime Minister was suggesting it was irresponsible to help these families. “C’est incroyable,” he exclaimed.

The Liberal leader attempted then to do the math. “This is a government that in 72 hours spent $1.3 billion on a photo op for the Prime Minister,” he recalled. “That sum of money, if spent to help families in need of care, would have aided more than 600,000 family caregivers.”

How, he wondered, could the government justify its “reckless and irresponsible” priorities?

The Liberals jumped up to applaud their leader, but Mr. Harper stood ready to respond. “Mr. Speaker, if this was such a responsible policy, I do not know why the Liberal Party would have broken its commitment to Canadians on it four times already before making a promise a fifth time,” he snapped back.

With that retort registered, the Prime Minister then ventured into his own understanding of reality. “The reality is this,” he testified, a bit more animated now. “What the leader of the Liberal Party promised yesterday was billions and billions of dollars of tax hikes on ordinary Canadians and on job creators in this country. This would have devastating effects on our economic recovery. That is why the policies are irresponsible. That is why on this side we do things that are real, affordable and when we promise them, we do them.”

“You’re fibbing!” came a cry from the Liberal side.

The House had now a clear difference of opinion.

Mr. Ignatieff was moved to repeat himself. “Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister is saying it is irresponsible and reckless to help families dealing with the burden of ALS or dealing with the burden of looking after somebody dealing with cancer for four years,” he relayed. “He will have to explain to those families why it is that the only thing the government can say back to them is that they should take some vacations to look after those they care for.”

There were groans from the government side, the Conservative members perhaps disappointed to see that Mr. Ignatieff now seems willing to engage in a game they have owned for some years.

The Liberal leader was now bringing his fingers together to pinpoint the precise nature of the problem. ”Why does he not understand the needs of these families,” Mr. Ignatieff pleaded of the Prime Minister, “why does he characterize their needs as reckless and when will he start to do something for them?”

He leaned his upper body forward over the desk in front of him and nearly spat these words across the aisle.

The Prime Minister returned to his feet, first to assert his government’s efforts in this regard. “Mr. Speaker, this government has taken measures, whether it is on compassionate leave or EI, a number of measures to help our seniors to make real, measurable progress in the lives of people,” he reported.

Then he moved to entertain a new variation on his reading of reality. “That is a very different approach than on the other side,” he proclaimed, “where they promise billions and billions of dollars that would damage the Canadian economy in terms of tax hikes and then turn around and break those promises.”

It was unclear whether this was meant to raise or assuage fears, but before anything could be clarified, Mr. Harper was moving to a quip he was no doubt eager to table.

“Fool me once, shame on me,” he offered, wagging his finger at the other side, “fool me five times, it must be a Liberal.”

The Conservative side howled with delight at this and leapt up to applaud their leader’s phrasing.

Still, it was Mr. Ignatieff who was only too happy to walk out into the foyer afterwards with some advice for reporters huddled around the designated microphone. ”In Question Period, the Prime Minister said it was irresponsible and imprudent to help family caregivers,” he reported. “And I just think people ought to notice that.”

The Stats. Ethics, 12 questions. Foreign investment, four questions. Home care, three questions. The census, natural resources, Nigel Wright, the military, infrastructure, prisons, employment and foreign affairs, two questions each. Taxation, seniors, product safety, Gilles Duceppe, aboriginal affairs and privacy, one question each.

Stephen Harper, eight answers. John Baird and Rona Ambrose, six answers each. Christian Paradis, four answers. Tony Clement, three answers. Peter MacKay, Dave MacKenzie, Diane Finley, Chuck Strahl and Peter Van Loan, two answers each. Denis Lebel, Lawrence Cannon, Bev Oda and Stockwell Day, one answer each.

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  • Orson Bean

    Notwithstanding my ususal pro-free-speech sentiments, I would be quite pleased if they would ban the use of the word "shame" (especially followed by an exclamation mark) in the House of Commons. Maybe even ban it from Canadian political discourse altogether (cf. Warren Kinsella's website, which has that equally chessy variant "for shame"). It's become quite possibly the biggest head-smacking cliche out there.

    • tedbetts

      Shame! Shame on you for such a shameful suggestion.

      Don’t get me wrong: I like the environmental aspect of this proposal, cutting Hansard down by a quarter.

      But this is draconian.

      You should ashamed!

  • bill_y

    Well, I see a trend here…. Harper's conservatives continue to look really bad on this.

  • Ariadne

    They should change the name from Question period to Shame your Opponent period. This exercise sames a waste of time. Can't they do something to make this period productive and helpful?

  • Emily

    Harper….going downhill fast.

    • Claudia Lemire

      Oh, Emily is wishful thinking, he is not going anywhere!

  • knick

    Bushism: "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again"

    Harperism: "Fool me once, shame on me …”

    What is it about the old adage, 'fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me' that escapes these brilliant and insightful world leaders?

    • ColdStanding

      Really? You are questioning this? Variation on a common place is a time tested debating tactic.

      • MostlyCivil

        Even when the variation completely reverses the point of the original?

        A bird in the bush is worth 2 in the hand?
        A stitch in 9 saves time?
        A car in every pot, and a chicken in every driveway?

        • ColdStanding

          Every car on pot, and drive away every chicken.
          A hand in the bush is worth the two birds.
          9 saves in time a stitch.

          See. Very effective.

          • Richard_S_Argent

            wonder how you snuck that smut past the censors ;)

          • ColdStanding

            The double entendre became apparent only after I published it. Oops.

            And yes, I do believe that variation on a commonplace is entirely acceptable even when it reverses the original meaning or changes it completely.

        • ColdStanding

          Now that I think about it, just how does Harper's variation completely reverse the point of the original? The use of variation doesn't mean that you will just randomly re-arrange a given adage, as I did, but that you have some reasonable motive for altering it to make a point.

          So, variation of adages is permissible in debate, when the variation serves to make a point germaine to the debate.

      • knick

        No doubt this explanation applies as well to those who spell 'they're' as 'their', or who say 'literally' when their meaning is 'actually'?

        • ColdStanding

          It does not. You have conflated an error in spelling and/or grammar with variation on a theme. Completely different. The first demonstrates a lack of command of a skill (spelling/grammar) the second demonstrates a degree of artistic grasp and wit, when done well.

          • knick

            "the second demonstrates a degree of artistic grasp and wit, when done well"

            The operative wording being 'when well done'. Otherwise (as in these two examples) it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the meaning of the adage not unlike a lack of command of a skill such as spelling/grammar.

          • ColdStanding

            Bush's, from the generally held viewpoint is a malapropism. Excepting that it might actually be a variation based on regional references that do not translate well to the national stage. Harper's is a conscious attempt at variation on a widely held commonplace. Good or bad, you should recognize it for what it is – an attempt at variation.

            That you don't is likely due to some unacknowledged prejudice on your part.

          • knick

            Not unacknowledged – it annoys the heck out of me when people who should know better say/write things like, 'they towed the party line', or 'for all intents in purposes'. World leaders should know better, regardless (not 'irregardless') of regional references or conscious attempts at variation.

            Bush at least got the first part of the adage right after a bit of a struggle. If Harper intended a variation of 'fool me once, shame on you', then he would have said that – the intention of the adage is to show the speaker's own responsibility for being fooled by the same person more than once. Harper's 'variation' shows no responsibility for being fooled by the same person five times. How does that make it a debating tactic?

          • ColdStanding

            Your errors:
            1)He isn't a world leader, he is the Prime Minister of Canada. That office commands a degree of respect and diplomatic privilege, but he isn't per se a leader of the world, as there isn't really a one world wide government. As I happen to be familar with the commonly used term "World leaders" I was able to grasp the gist of your meaning, despite the incorrect usage.
            2) He was speaking in the HoC, not on the street in a conversation with an aquaintance. It is a specific context in which certain usages, while wrong in other contexts, stand as proper or germaine in that specific context. It would be different if he was making a speech in another setting, but he was not.

          • ColdStanding

            3) Bringing Bush into the converstation – he wasn't mentioned at all in the article, so, I don't see how Bush's malaproprisms are relevant to what Harper says. They are of similar political persuasion, but that hardly makes one responsible for what the other says. Now, in the context of this informal debating site, yes, there is some degree of appropriatness in attempting to tar Harper with the same Bush.
            4) Harper is making a statement of responsibility in his variation, you just can't grasp it.
            5) Harper's variation uses two meanings of fooling. If you read it with those two meanings in mind, then it makes perfect sense. Re-read it as if it wasn't spoken by Harper, that way you can put aside the anger you feel towards the man as your anger is blocking your ability to understand the point he is making with his turn of phrase.

          • knick

            While I appreciate the thoroughness of your point of view, I cannot agree with any of your arguments.
            1) Regardless of your familiarity with the commonly used term "World leaders", Harper has demonstrated that he does think of himself as one.
            2) What matters is that his comment was made in public, in the House, in answer to a question from the Opposition.
            3) I brought Bush into the conversation because he, too, mangled the adage.
            4) If Harper was making a statement of his responsibility, it was so obscure as to be unrecognizable.
            5) to fool: to deceive or trick; dupe; confound or prove wrong; surprise; to speak or act facetiously; to behave comically; to engage in idle or frivolous activity; to toy, tinker, or mess. Which other meaning of fooling did you have in mind?

            Your assertion that I'm unable to think rationally because of the anger you allege I feel towards Harper is a failed attempt to discredit my valid point that he, like Bush, mangled a well-known adage in order to make a partisan point.

          • ColdStanding

            1) You are the one that is calling out people for very minor errors of usage, yet you slough it off when you do it.
            2) What matters is that you don`t understand the difference between an error of usage and a variation on an adage.
            3) I can reasonably assume you have mangled an adage or two in your time.
            4) I had no problem recognizing it
            5) Harper`s first use of fool in a sentance: I have failed in my personal and public responsibilities if I am fooled or duped by the Liberals. Harper`s second use of fool in a sentance: If you fool me 5 times you must be a Liberal engaged in idle or frivolous activity and are not really serious about it even though you are now pretending to be serious.

            While I am sure that, when you come to review your own thoughts on the matter at hand, you will feel that your case has been presented with calm and cool reason. However, in writing you are coming across as pedantic and predisposed to a negative judgement.

          • knick

            1) relevance to Harper's assumption that he is a world leader?
            2) relevance of saying it in public and the difference between an error of usage and a variation?
            3) you can assume whatever you wish, reasonably however is another matter
            4) good for you
            5) the point of the adage is that the speaker is not responsible the first time he or she is fooled, but is for any subsequent times

            pot…kettle

  • Holly Stick

    Another thing for the Government of Harper to be ashamed of, trying to shut down Insite:
    http://www.christianweek.org/stories.php?id=1156

    • James

      I applaud Meera Bai's compassionate approach and desire to help people with her time and abilities. Yet as a person who has also spent time helping street-involved people on Vancouver's DTES and a graduate of Regent College (the graduate theological school where Meera Bai is studying), I question the wisdom or helping street-involved people to find the best vein so that they can shoot up as Meera does. I don't find it shameful that compassionate people on both sides are wrestling with the issue to find the best solutions.

      James

  • chet

    Iggy engages in cheap melodrama, latching on to an old sick woman and using her as a prop,

    and the partisan liberals here once again think they have the next "gotcha" moment that will bring Harper down.

    Average Canadians don't jump to their feet in praise every time a Liberal makes these graniose have their cake and eat it too promises.

    Iggy actually believes that if it sounds too good to be true, the average Canadian will think it isn't.

    Perhaps if Iggy was in Canada (or even thinking about Canada) when the gun registry debacle came to be, he might have a clue.

    • gottabesaid

      Are you seriously criticizing the Liberals for being too partisan? Seriously? The most PARTISAN government of all time is in power, and you're criticizing the Liberals for being too partisan? Seriously? Too rich. Wow.

      • MostlyCivil

        No, no, let him have his point. If there's one thing the current government hs expertise in, it's props… http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/201008…

      • chet

        Liberals generally are about as partisan as a group can be. So desperate they are to get back into their "rightful" place in power, everything Harper does becomes devil like.

        My god, whether he ate a wafer was earth shattering stuff.

        Blog's like these where virtually every utterance by Harper brings out hysterics by the left…truly a sight to behold.

        The sad thing is, the leadership of the Liberals is so taken by it, that they've lost touch with the average Canadian. They truly believe that something as mundane (and sensicle) as shortening a FORTY page census will move the electorate in outrage. That they have an equally out of touch and partisan media whispering support over their shoulders doesn't help either.

        Word of advice: if you think everything your political opponent does is outrageous, your likely a hyper partisan. That pretty much describes every anti-Harper commenter on this blog, including the blog author himself.

        • Jan

          The rest of us can only strive to be as fair and balanced as you, chet. You truly are an inspiration.
          FYI – the 40 page census will now be reduced to a survey, and will still be forty pages. And will be costing us an estimated 30 million more dollars to administer.

        • gottabesaid

          "Word of advice: if you think everything your political opponent does is outrageous, your likely a hyper partisan."

          I agree with you 100 per cent… but the suggestion that the Liberals have the market cornered on hyperpartisanship is about the most hyperpartisan statement I've ever read. I hope you don't write off all criticism of your infallible leader as party-based, or even from the nebulous 'left' — there are a few of us who have voted Conservative, who hold small-c conservative beliefs, who have legitimate, non-partisan concerns about Harper.

    • Richard_S_Argent

      Am I understanding you right, are you suggesting that that Ignatieff doesn't really care about homecare?

      • chet

        Are you suggesting this is anything but a political move?

        You thing Iggy "really cares" about home care do you? Completely unrelated to the political benefits?

        I'd love to see his published works on the subject, or his having taken the cause…at any time before he decided to use this woman as a prop.

        As an aside I find it remarkable that there are people here who think only conservatives are capable of political calculation, while Liberals just must be pure of heart.

        • Jan

          Cue the theme song fron Casablanca – chet is shocked there's politics going on in Ottawa.

        • Richard_S_Argent

          Oh man, are you ever gonna feel like a jerk:

          "It’s also a program near and dear to the Liberal leader personally. Whenever he has been asked about the home-care issue in his cross-country travels, Ignatieff tells the story of his own family’s experience with caring for his mother, Alison, who died in 1992 after a 10-year battle with Alzheimer’s.

          'I speak with a certain amount of authority and passion here. I lost my mother to Alzheimer’s,' Ignatieff said in a major speech in Toronto earlier this year. “Millions of families in this country go through the same anguish that my brother and I did. Our party must be there for those families.”
          http://www.thespec.com/print/article/264699

          • burlivespipe

            Unfortunately, Chet and a good many of the koolaide-brand CONs have long had any self-sense of jerkiness removed and replaced by a high horse. No ladder is tall enough to help extricate them, either.

        • burlivespipe

          Sort of like Harper and tax cutting? or his past life being against deficits? C'mon Chet, if its satire you're chasing, try to add humour to your lies. It will at least look like you're trying beyond the talking points.

    • tedbetts

      If this is a "gotcha" moment then either everything – every question, every policy, every priority – must be a "gotcha" moment or you don't quite have a grasp on the meaning of the term.

    • hollinm

      Chet…..Harper could have taken the time to remind Ignatieff how many times the Liberal party promised a national childcare program while he was out of the country.

  • madeyoulook

    “You’re fibbing!” came a cry from the Liberal side.

    When did that stop being unparliamentary language worthy of sanction from the Speaker?

    • Silly_Walks

      The truth is an excellent defense against defamation.

      • madeyoulook

        Perhaps you misunderstood my question.

    • Richard_S_Argent

      I'm guessing it's the same thing as saying "Lies!" instead of "Liar:"…technically you're not calling *them* a "fibber", just that in this case they're "fibbing".

      (incidentally, I don't think I've heard anybody use the word fib since my Dutch Baptist babysitter :)

      • Kathryn_C

        Did they actually use "fibbing" – I thought that was meant to be humourous. Next they'll be accusing each other of having cooties.

  • subversible

    Mr. Wherry

    I hope you are aware of the dichotomy of having the the main body of your blogs under the header "the scene" and the bottom bit of actual information under "the stats". You must be incredibly bored reporting on the events of the house of commons, driving you to blog about it as if it were a serialized novel. I can't blame you for that, as watching politicians debate is much like watching children fight over the television.

    I would like to suggest an exercise for you. Remove all the adjectives and adverbs from your writing. Analyze the meaning of the remaining poorly formed sentences. Maybe then you'll realize why your writing is so painful for us to read.

    • MostlyCivil

      And yet…you read it, time and time again, and then comment. Did you wander in from the CBC comment boards?

  • DBM

    Ironically, 'Shame' was most likely adopted by the authors of hansard as a catch all stand in for all kinds of more colourful invective.

  • Blacktop

    Moderator: I would appreciate knowing why every single post I have made on this thread has been removed.

  • Ariadne

    Even elementary classes has not been this childish.

    • Kathryn_C

      Luckily they are prohibited (one assumes) from shooting actual spit-balls across the floor.

      Although providing glue, construction paper and safety scissors might actually occupy enough of them to make adult debate possible?

      • Ariadne

        Probably provide some foods during these sessions, to gag them.

  • Placentia Bay Ex-Pat

    Who in this country is foolish or dumb enough to take anything that comes from a liberal as fact and who i ask is dumb enough to vote for a liberal based on what they promise, well i guess we know the answer to these questions the good people of TO and Van,but those people too seem to be finally seeing the light, liberals lie, steal, cheat and only help themselves and thier friends to your money, well i guess they do use some of our money to buy Que votes.Iggy will never be the PM of my country, he is an outsider brought here by loser liberals in hopes of fooling the people of this country one more time and it is not working and it will never work.Should the liberals with thier commie friends every try to take power through the back door this country will nolonger be a country,you can expect civil war and don't be surprised when the cops show up to take your guns because thanks to the liberals they got your adress but not mine.

    • Jan

      Living the Unabomber lifestyle are we?

  • http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ Open_Democracy

    It would be nice if they actually did something measurable for the $157,731 plus that taxpayers put into their pockets every year. When you watch QP on CPAC, it becomes readily apparent that most of us have seen better behaviour on an elementary school playground.

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

  • theintellectual

    now, this may seem very off topic, but has anyone ever noticed how harper sounds almost exactly like james woods?

  • hollinm

    Once again if Ignatieff thinks he is going to be able to keep spending the same $6 billion in tax cut savings he is in for a rude awakening. The fact is if we enhance EI benefits somebody is going to pay those increased costs and it is the ordinary joe and the employers of this country. When Ignatieff is forced to reverse the corp. tax reduction taking place in Jan. he will be increasing taxes and he will also be increasing EI premiums on individuals and employers.
    Once again the nanny state lives within the Liberal party.

  • Jeff Jedras

    Yes I recall the Conservatives made this same point when they proposed extending parental leave EI benefits for the self-employed, right? It was just those nanny state Conservatives at it again!

  • Richard_S_Argent

    I'm curious, how is keeping corporate tax rates at their current level actually a tax increase?

    (a current level that is below the United States I might add – remember how great our corporate tax rate was when it was luring Tim Horton's back north of the border? I seem to recall a big to-do about that…do you?)

  • chet

    It's a matter of degree.

    One only has to look at the multitude of Iggy's promises to see that if you add them up, it would bankrupt Canada.

    Point to this or that spending by Harper which you dissaggree with. But while driving 125 k/hr may be too fast and a bit wreckless, driving 200 k/hr is deadly.

    While the partisans here cry blue murder every time Harper drives over 100 k/hr in spending, they're quiet as little church mice while Iggy proposes to push the pedal well past 200.

  • Jan

    I notice he's been he's been using his small voice this term – most of the time.

  • Kathryn_C

    "The Prime Minister stood, buttoned and straightened his jacket and proceeded with a series of shrugs"

    I thought he was doing Rodney Dangerfield.

  • Jan

    Harper doesn't have any fiscal credibility when it comes to spending. He's got to go with keeping the nation secure – heard Toews with new talking point today – apparently the government's first responsibility is keeping us suckers safe – presumably at any cost. Another idea stolen from the Americans.

  • hollinm

    Richard_S_Argent……there is a scheduled tax reduction in Jan which by the way was supported by the Libs. Assuming no election between now and Jan. the tax reduction will take place. If and that is a big if Ignatieff wins the next election he will have to reverse that reduction to get his money for his grandiose plans. Hence a tax increase. I would also point out that because he eliminates the corporate tax reduction does not mean he gets the equivalent in new revenue. He only has the revenue that is being generated at the time he assumes power. There is no new money in the coffers. Even if all the corporate tax reductions are in place reversing them will be a massive corporate tax increase which will impact jobs. As well he will not get the equivalent in new money. He should learn economics or stop misleading the public.
    The program seems pretty modest i.e. $100.00 per month and for six months. To me that is a drop in the bucket and really does nothing to solve the problem that he claims he wants to solve. It deserves discussion and Ignatieff needs to come clean with the details (the devil is always in the details), the real costs and how those costs are going to be funded.

  • Richard_S_Argent

    I'm sorry, you're still not explaining how keeping taxes at their current levels is an increase.

  • hollinm

    Richard_S_Argent…..once again….are you living in a time warp? Corporate taxes are not staying the same. The budget has passed and there are scheduled decreases to take place over the next couple of years. So taxes are not going to stay the same. Time does not stand still even for Liberals.
    Without an election and a new government those reductions will take place. So Ignatieff has no choice if he wants to regain some of that revenue but to increase corporate taxes should his party achieve government. He has no option because this is the only way he is proposing to fund his social programs. If he maintains the tax reductions then it is higher taxes all around or increase the deficit. Its not rocket science.

  • Richard_S_Argent

    Sorry, Ignatieff is proposing to keep taxes at the level they are now, 19%. That's not an increase – that's stasis.

    The tax rate is scheduled to decrease to 15% by 2012. Now I'm not a rocket scientist, but by my calculations, that's two years away.

  • burlivespipe

    Probably should point out to the toolshed types like Adhominem and Chester that Harper's own tax increase, while reduced, remains a tax increase on payrolls. Of course it still won't be enough to cover all the elaborate spending he's been going on, increasing his office's own budget by what, 30%? Partisan gov't advertising by 40%? Never mind taking a 13$ B rainy day fund and reducing it to a huge money-sucking hole with a 54$ deficit…
    Yes, argue away. Wipe the koolaide off your faces, tho.

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