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'I am not a pirate'

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, October 18, 2010 12:07pm - 0 Comments

Here is the prepared text of Liberal deputy leader Ralph Goodale’s speech to the Economic Club in Ottawa this afternoon, a direct response to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s speech four weeks ago.

This was the centrepiece of a three-speech campaign—including Scott Brison in Toronto and Marc Garneau in Montreal—apparently intended to confront directly Mr. Flaherty’s economic stewardship and metaphor.

Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for coming. May I specifically express my appreciation to Fraser-Milner-Casgrain for their sponsorship of this luncheon, and to the Economic Club of Canada for hosting.

I’m grateful for this chance to talk with you today – in a serious, measured way – about how the Liberal Party sees the economic prospects facing Canada … About the growing burden on this country’s middle-class families … And about the appropriate role for government in responding to a situation that’s becoming more, not less, concerning.

I want to offer a sober, unfiltered perspective on the international economic outlook. And what that means, from a Liberal point of view, for the priorities we need to pursue here at home … To protect ourselves from international risk … To position ourselves to succeed in an economy that has grown more perilous … And to prosper in the years ahead notwithstanding trying times right now.

This examination will contrast sharply with that offered by the Harper Conservatives. Our approach is far more responsive to the real hardships taking hold of Canadian families as they struggle with this challenging time.

To underscore our commitment to a serious and sensible discussion on the economy, I am joined today in this effort by two of my colleagues.

Our Finance Critic Scott Brison is addressing an Empire Club meeting right now in Toronto. And in Montreal this noon-hour, Liberal Industry Critic Marc Garneau is meeting with the Montreal Chamber of Commerce.

As well, Mr. Ignatieff is talking about these same issues today at an “Open Mike” town-hall meeting in Guelph.

I hope our message is unmistakable: The Liberal Party regards the economy – and the concerns of middle-class families – as our nation’s top priority. We will approach this important matter with the rigour, respect and reason that we find so missing from the government.

But let me begin by breaking a cardinal rule of political communications. I am going to knowingly repeat a charge laid by our opponents – understanding that I risk reinforcing the very mis-impression they hope to leave about the Liberal Party.

As you know, some three or four weeks ago, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty unburdened himself of a most unusual speech before the Canadian Club – not about the economy, but about swashbucklers along the bounding main. One particular allegation was so clever, so subtle, so insidious that I believe it requires a direct rebuttal.

Allow me therefore to be categorical … To leave no question and no doubt: I am not a pirate!

I have no sword. No flintlock. No eye patch. This glass is filled with water, not rum. The only squawking parrot I know is Pierre Poilievre. And I would never let him sit on my shoulder.

I should also declare – before the Talking Points pour forth from the PMO – that neither am I an alien transformer, a vampire or a werewolf.

You laugh! But I joke about this to make a serious point.

Under Mr. Harper’s Conservatives, Canadians are treated to absurd rhetoric of this sort almost daily. At a time of severe financial distress, when thousands of employable Canadians are unable to find work … With the United States struggling to avoid a return to recession and currency wars casting a dark cloud over the international economy, this piracy stuff is the level of discussion we get from our government.

It’s more than a nuisance. It’s unacceptable.

I know it’s tempting to throw up your hands and say “that’s just politics”. But those who peddle only partisan pap win when the rest of us resign our search for a higher level of discourse. When something as serious as the state of Canada’s ailing economy and the effect on our families is being discussed, we should demand better.

Mr. Flaherty gave a second speech just last week. And while he managed to avoid flagrant references to Captain Jack Sparrow, it was, in its own way, equally cavalier.

He presented the government’s Fiscal Update. With less than 24 hours’ notice. On the day after Thanksgiving. Not before Parliament. But at a political luncheon. The timing was suspect – rushed, some say, to distract from Canada’s losing bid for a seat on the U.N. Security Council.

In other words, it was about politics. Not the public interest.

In substance, last week’s Update was excruciatingly superficial. A dismissive, sometimes contradictory treatment of the nation’s books and our prospects going forward.

It asserted that Canada’s economy is performing better than predicted. Yet it revealed the largest federal deficit ever recorded – $55.6 billion – nearly $2 billion higher than projected just last spring.

What’s more, according to the Update, by 2015, the red ink just disappears – poof, as though by miracle. There’s no explanation as to how this radical shift will occur. The Minister simply insists: “We’re on track.”

That’s a strange thing to suggest when you consider the “track” he’s on has taken us from a $13 billion surplus to an all-time record deficit. And that deficit began BEFORE, I repeat BEFORE, not “because of” the recession.

Mr. Flaherty’s “track” is one of missed projections, worsening results, lost jobs, and indifference to the burdens on Canadian families.

To get to the basics: The Finance Minister says his GDP growth projections are based on 15 forecasts provided by the private sector. He further says he adjusted their “average projected growth” downward, as a safeguard against the risk of an overly optimistic outlook.

The simple averaging of projections is, in current circumstances, an insufficiently prudent effort. Rarely have projections from the private sector varied so widely.

There is a huge discrepancy among those 15 private sector forecasts, from the most optimistic to the most pessimistic – a gap of nearly a $60 billion. Adopting an “average” across such a vast chasm is unrealistic, especially if your most reliable forecasters are all on the pessimistic side of the equation, and the effect of averaging is simply to dilute their caution.

Secondly, the Minister’s downward risk-adjustment is small. His discount – his safeguard against adversity – amounts to a revenue cushion, at best, of just 0.61 percent. That’s less than a rounding error in the books of the Government of Canada. Even worse, his cushion grows thinner, not thicker, as the years unfold. This is completely backwards.

Even in the best projections, beyond two years forward, the risk of error increases exponentially. The outer years are where the greatest cushion against risk is required, but that’s exactly where Mr. Flaherty sets aside the least protection. Coincidentally, that’s also when he lays his claim to a sudden return to surplus.

That fact alone renders suspect his claim of a balanced budget.

Beyond the bare numbers, the analysis in the Update – which used to be a rich survey of the best that public and private economists had to offer – is equally lacking.

There’s no assessment of the factors at play in the global economy through which Canada must find its way. For the most part, the analysis consists of selective statistics to show other countries performing worse than we are. But to be the “least bad” is hardly an assertion of strength. And to Canadians struggling to find work, it is small comfort to know there are many more like you in some other country.

A responsible Update would offer a frank assessment of the fragility in the United States and some sense of how their continued lack of growth will affect our exports. It would tell us how long American unemployment will remain close to 10% … Whether deficits will continue to gobble up 10% of their annual GDP … Whether a new round of stimulus or “quantitative easing” will come from Washington and what, if anything, that might mean for our own policy choices.

Some economists suggest the United States is headed toward a five or seven or ten year stretch of economic drift, similar to that which hobbled Japan. They see great cause for concern as consumers reach rock bottom and a new round of foreclosures depress spending and activity.

In our view, that is likely too pessimistic a perspective. But why don’t we know Jim Flaherty’s view? Why don’t we have a detailed assessment from this government?

The same must be said for the situation in Europe, where the Greek debt crisis signaled the need for substantial rebalancing in the EU. But how long will that take and how thorough will it be?

The unstated hope of much of the world is that emerging markets – especially China, India and Brazil – will fill the demand-gap left by a flagging United States. Here again, we need to know whether the purchasing power of a growing middle class in these countries is adequate. Will new BRIC domestic demand substitute for fewer exports to the US or the EU?

These are hard global realities NOT explored in an Update apparently designed to be digested quickly before dessert.

Finally, we’re seeing what some call a “currency war” among the world’s economic powers, as they rely increasingly on monetary policy to compensate for economic deficiencies. We need look no further than the jump in our own dollar to recognize that Canadian families have a direct stake in this discussion. The Update provides little insight as to how we’ll navigate these suddenly treacherous waters.

It’s not that we suspect only the worst will come to pass. Certainly, we all hope fervently for growth at home and abroad to surge ahead of current projections.

But we know the balance of risks is growing. The Governor of the Bank of Canada tells us this is so. The Minister himself grudgingly acknowledges this fact.

Is this just the customary correction in the business cycle after 15 years of unbroken expansion? Or is something more fundamental going on? Some economists see a decade or more ahead of decline and drift. Many families sense it. Let’s hope they’re wrong. But let’s also insist on getting the data and the analysis to be fully informed and fully prepared.

These are extraordinary times. Times which beg more detailed accounting, thinking and planning. Yet just when we need more, this government provides less.

And here’s why that’s so wrong:

Because unless we get a full and honest analysis from our government, Canadians cannot intelligently or responsibly assess what it means for working people and what choices government should make.

Policy decisions should not be taken in a vacuum. They should not be based on ideology or bias. They should be rooted in a transparent and open assessment of facts. This government obscures the facts. It evades that analysis, and therefore it robs Canadians of a discussion that we desperately need to have. Which, I suppose is their whole objective.

The Liberal approach is one that’s familiar to you. It is a record of genuine economic achievement – achievements that largely sustained this country through the rough times since 2008:

• A previous decade of balanced budgets;
• Explicit contingency reserves and extra prudence factors embedded in the budget-making process;
• The balanced use of surpluses to pay down debt, make tax rates competitive, and invest in vital economic and social priorities like the child tax benefit, public infrastructure, innovation, student assistance and healthcare;
• The slashing in half of Canada’s debt ratio;
• Low and stable interest rates;
• Well-controlled inflation;
• A rational Canadian housing market;
• A secure public pension system;
• Sound banks and responsible financial system regulation.
• These are the strengths that got us through. But Mr. Harper has weakened some of them and the way forward is now far from certain.

Of course, there are two ways to measure our prospects – by what economists see and say. And by what families feel.

We’ve discussed the former as best we can. Let’s turn now to the latter – to the practical challenges, the day-to-day realities that grip Canadian families, and about which the government had even less to say in last week’s Update.

The defining fact of economic life for many Canadians is anxiety.

People are worried about their jobs and their ability to pay down a level of household debt that has soared. Middle-class families in Canada are being squeezed like never before – more severely, in fact, than anywhere else in the western world.

The average Canadian family is about $96,000 in debt. We owe almost $1.50 for every single dollar of disposable income. And our cost of living keeps rising.

Credit card balances are high. Mortgages have been borrowed against. And lines of credit are full.

We can debate how we got to this point … About the need to encourage a greater culture of savings and prudence. But we also have to recognize that many families are simply doing what they have to do to get by – to manage a household budget that is stretched with costs that are growing.

A budget made even more difficult by the high cost of child care, or sending kids to university, college or CEGEP, or taking care of an aging parent. Or all these things together.

The source of household debt in Canada isn’t twice-yearly trips to fancy resorts, speedy new sports cars or other luxuries. It’s about making it through day-by-day.

And it’s not a task made any easier when the value of the family home is uncertain and your RRSPs have yet to recover.

These same middle-class families look to Ottawa and see a government that never fails to congratulate itself for its so-called “sound economic management”. But they wonder where they fit in.

This Conservative government has a “do you get it” problem.

Do you get what families are actually feeling? Do you get that risks are growing not shrinking? Do you get that demographics are set to make this challenge even greater, as the baby Boomers become the biggest generation of senior citizens in history?

Do you get that there’s a role for government in helping Canada and Canadians overcome this new era of economic risk?

The Liberal Party “gets it”. We have always recognized that a growing middle class is the cornerstone of economic prosperity. And we’ve always recognized that government has a legitimate part to play in helping the middle class to grow, prosper and keep the country strong.

So Liberals would take a different approach than we’ve seen from this government. And we would begin from a different premise.

One that recognizes the outlook for our economy is more fragile. That the balance of risks internationally is tilted toward the downside. And that our middle class is hurting and needs support.

Where does that take us in terms of priorities?

Fiscal responsibility – certainly. That’s part of our Liberal brand and, unlike Mr. Harper, we have a track record to prove it.

Our initial target will be getting his deficit down to 1-percent of GDP within two fiscal years. We’ll re-establish properly structured “fiscal shock absorbers” to protect against nasty surprises. And our platform commitments will be costed, showing how they’ll be financed without adding to the Harper deficit.

But our policy commitments – the choices we make – will demonstrate clearly how we differ from the Harper Conservatives.

First priority: Learning. Invest in the creation of affordable early learning and childcare spaces. Close the gap in Aboriginal education. Help families save for post-secondary education. Skills training for workers. Language training for immigrants. Literacy training for those who need it.

We will invest in our people to build the best-educated, most highly-skilled workforce in the world—because this is the most important thing the federal government can do to help middle-class Canadians succeed. It is also the best way we can help prepare our economy to compete and win in the years and decades to come. Productivity and competitiveness depend on the quality of our brainpower.

Second priority: Care. Two weeks ago, Michael Ignatieff announced our Liberal Family Care Plan, to help hundreds of thousands of families care for loved ones at home. These are costs that families cannot ignore. They don’t want to ignore them. And government should be there to help.

Let me add an emphasis on health care. In particular, the federal-provincial agreements that will come up for negotiation in a couple of years. The jockeying has already begun and, already, we’ve seen this government attempting to downplay its obligations.
A Liberal government will defend our public, universal healthcare system. We must preserve and protect this anchor of middle-class success. This defining aspect of what makes us Canadian.

Third priority: Pensions. We’ve proposed new measures to help Canadians save for retirement, and to protect pensions when companies go bankrupt. This is fundamental to a sense of security as we enter an era defined by an aging population and more retirees than ever before.

And we must tackle the CPP/QPP. We’ve proposed consideration of a supplementary CPP – as have many experts. This government’s answer is silence and absence.

They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the federal-provincial-territorial table to talk pensions. Since then their efforts have been a litany of missed deadlines, failed efforts and half-hearted talk. Liberals led a national consensus over a decade ago when our pension system required overhaul. We are prepared to do so again.

And to all that, let me add a final priority – one that characterizes the international nature of today’s and tomorrow’s economy: We simply must be leaders beyond our borders. For four years, Mr. Harper insulted China and ignored India. Our share of those markets failed to keep pace with the growth of their economies. We have to do better.

Can there be any question that our standing in the world community has been diminished after the embarrassing failure last week at the United Nations? Is there any doubt that such shortcomings are also a threat to our economy – at a time when so much of the weakness that puts our jobs and growth at risk comes from overseas?

These are our priorities. Job for today. Jobs for tomorrow. A learning society where every Canadian can reach their potential. Help for middle-class families. Support for seniors. And a new era of global leadership, worthy of our history.

Conservative priorities are different. A more costly, less reliable census. Untendered stealth fighters. Bigger jails. A billion-dollars of extravagance for one weekend in Toronto. But the needs of middle-class families don’t figure.

Mr. Harper dismissed support for family caregiving as “reckless” – let caregivers use up their vacation-leave, Conservatives say, or use up their savings. Yes, “let them eat cake”, Marie-Antoinette!

Instead, the Harper government is planning another tax cut for large corporations – 20-percent more, on top of the tax cuts of 35-percent which these companies have already enjoyed. They already have the second-lowest rate in the G-7. They already have a 10-point (or 25-percent) advantage over the United States. Mr. Harper would add $6 billion more every year.

Now don’t get me wrong. As a former Finance Minister, I like cutting taxes. But if you’re a responsible Minister, your tax cuts will be affordable, sustainable and consistent with your other obligations to Canadian citizens. And be especially careful when you’re already $55.6 billion in the hole.

So we will cancel these extra Conservative corporate tax cuts until the budget is balanced. We’ll utilize the $6 billion per year to reduce the deficit, and to invest in the priorities of ordinary Canadians: learning, care, and leadership in the world.

There is a clear choice here.

A choice of priorities. A choice of values. A choice between Mr. Harper’s Canada and the Liberal alternative. A choice that Canadians will have to make when the time comes.

Liberals have made our choice. We choose the priorities of middle-class families. We choose forward-looking policies to lead to a more prosperous future. We choose to pull our country together, and face together our challenges as one great people.

With these choices, we can build the future our children deserve.

Thank you.

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  • Emily

    A good speech….and a clear difference.

    Canadians will have to choose between the past and the future.

    • Jan

      Maybe it will prompt a substantial response from the government. We can hope.

      • John.K

        Pigs might fly…

        • Holly Stick

          But Ralph won't let them sit on his shoulder either.

  • JoeC

    I think "the Harper deficit" is a line we're going to be hearing a lot. If not, the Liberals are fools. I think it's a line which has a chance of sticking, which would go a long way to fighting the CPC's argument that they're the responsible stewards of the economy.

  • Mike T.

    Poppycock! If there was going to be a recession, we would have had one by now!

  • TJCook

    This is a breath of fresh air – let's hope the Liberals keep Goodale front and centre, talking like a grownup in contrast to the Cons' bitchy talking points.

    • Claudia Lemire

      Not a breath of fresh air, they need to start doing something if they want to captivate Canadians otherwise they are toast!

      • DerekPearce

        Do what? They're not the government. They can hammer away– being reasonable but relentless– in the face of constant Conservative shrillness.

        • Claudia Lemire

          Exactly, they need to show something instead of just complaining about the Government, they need to take some initiative, that they got ideas, they can turn Canada around.

          • BCer in Mtl

            Maybe try reading the speech first

          • Holly Stick

            Reading is not necessary for brainless cheerleaders.

          • Claudia Lemire

            I didn't know you were a cheerleader!

          • Holly Stick

            Ha, nice shot! And you avoided writing "LOL"!

          • Claudia Lemire

            Thanks!

          • Claudia Lemire

            Geez, you guys are not getting what I am saying, I did read the speech, I think it's good, I think it's about time, all I said that is not a breath of fresh air, they need this!

      • TJCook

        Goodale is clearly doing exactly that – laying out the groundwork for a policy alternative to the Conservatives. The second half of the speech is dedicated to what the Liberals would do differently.

        • Claudia Lemire

          I know it's good, I am just saying, it's not a breath of fresh air, it's a big gulp of air, they need it, they can't rest on their laurels until Harper screws up!

  • BCer in Mtl

    A good line, but inasmuch as I don't hold PP in high regard, in the context of this speech it seemed a bit of overkill.

    Why dignify him with any mention; as he's not a PS for an economic portfolio, it makes even less sense.

    • DBM

      I think you underestimate the personal contempt Mr. Goodale has for Mr. Poilievre.

      • BCer in Mtl

        Probably close to the contempt I (or any sane individual) have for PP

  • craigola

    Is this a new trend developing among politicians, whereby they seek to define what they are by eliminating those things that they are not? Whatserhead isn't a witch and Ralph Goodale isn't a pirate, and that's good, but I'm supposed to cast a vote later on today in Edmonton, and I still have no idea whether my choice for mayor isn't a wookie or isn't a (slightly used) microwave oven.

    • Claudia Lemire

      Hahaha, I feel lucky in Calgary we have a great guy Naheed Nenshi, I am hoping he get's it!

      • craigola

        Okaaay, but are you sure you know exactly what he isn't?

        • Claudia Lemire

          One of those macho cowboys, hahaha… Or I sure hope not!

          • RunningGag

            I want to see Nenshi in a cowboy hat. When I see that picture, it'll make my day. Especially if he does that wide-eyed thing at the same time.

          • Claudia Lemire

            It will be priceless, I hope he becomes our mayor!

          • burlivespipe

            Calgary sure loves its liberal-minded mayors. Unfortunately, it prefers its MPs to be NEP-hating zombies with helmethead…

          • Claudia Lemire

            Yeah, we will get to see him and probably it will purple, hahaha…

          • Holly Stick

            Maybe we should change the white hat ceremony to purple. :D

          • Claudia Lemire

            Ha, that will be funny,odd choice of color but it worked!

  • MaggiesFarmboy

    "I have no sword. No flintlock. No eye patch. This glass is filled with water, not rum. The only squawking parrot I know is Pierre Poilievre. And I would never let him sit on my shoulder."

    Hmmm…

    Did Feschuk play a role in the writing of this speech?

    • DBM

      A quick control F search reveals that the word 'fundamentally' does not occur once in this speech. So Imma guess no.

      Though, 'fundamental' is there twice.

      • LdKitchenersOwn

        Also, no mention of robots, nor of Scarlett Johansson. Definitely not 2010 vintage Feschuk.

        • Scott Feschuk

          It wasn't me. But I do know the person responsible, and he's quite handsome.

          • MaggiesFarmboy

            I think I can Reid between the lines….

      • Dave

        Are there any strings of "very"?

  • Tceh

    Flaherty made some blatantly incompetent and foolish mistakes early on. In October 2006 he, with consultation of Mark Carney and with the blessing of Harper decided to reverse policy on "Income Trusts" and thus depriving the Government of tax revenue now and in the future. Back in 2006 when the economy was good this almost went unnoticed but I am sure Flaherty would dearly love those tax revenues now.

    Instead of flowing cash revenue to individual Canadian investors who then pay higher marginal tax rates than any corporation, Canadians are now in a situation where foreign takeovers have ravaged former Income Trusts. A 'properly structured' foreign entity will pay NO Canadian corporate tax, and depressed valuations have ensured that these Canadian Trusts are picked up for a song. There is no benefit to Canadians but there must be to Conservative ministers who will sit on the boards of these companies in the future.

    Is it easy to shrug off this sell-off of Canadian resources to the rich foreign companies who see the bargain gained? I wonder at what point Canadians will realize the damage Flaherty has done to this country thru his incompetence.

    • McC_

      I'm no defender of Minister Flaherty, but are you sure that the Treasury lost more in personal income tax revenue due to the causes you describe than it would have in corporate income tax from the creation of the Bell Canada Income Trust and others? My understanding is that the Pointy Heads at L'Esplanade Laurier had the revenue implications of the income trust situation costed out pretty thoroughly.

      • Tceh

        Actually the pointy heads at DoF were wrong by 95%
        http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/Februa…

        Also why were the pointy heads so intent on hiding their work? If their figures were correct and could be examined why did Flaherty hide behind censored documents rather than reveal his tax leakage arguments?
        http://www.caiti.info/resources/fla_docs.pdf

        • McC_

          "The department is sharply overstating tax leakage," said Mr. Bruce, who added that there would be minimal costs associated with a 10 year phase-in of the new tax on income trust distribution payments."
          If we take this one source as the gospel, it contradicts your point that the tax on income trusts is "depriving the Government of tax revenue now and in the future."

          "Overstated leakage" and "minimal costs associated with a ten-year phase in" are arguments that income trusts weren't the problem Finance Canada (and other experts) thought they were, they are not arguments that the Treasury would be taking in far more revenues if the tax on income trusts was never implemented.

          Yeesh.

          • Tceh

            Question:
            Why is Flaherty hiding his arguments behind censorship if his arguments are so strong? http://www.caiti.info/resources/fla_docs.pdf

            Answer:
            Because his facts are fiction.

            Then there is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Flaherty#Flahert…

            Flaherty is not only incompetent. He is a coward.

          • McC_

            As I said, I'm not defending Minister Flaherty. I am only challenging your assertion that the income trust tax changes are costing the Treasury in foregone revenues, and you appear to have conceded the point, so thank you.

          • Tceh

            I concede nothing other than you don't know what you're talking about and you are in fact defending Jim Flaherty and bad policy, which are usually the same thing in most cases.

            1) When a foreign entity takes over a Income Trust with a depressed valuation (courtesy of an incompetent Finance Minister) its possible to structure the deal by borrowing funds, then writing off the interest expense for the purchase against Canadian corporate taxes. Flaherty caused tax leakage, he did not prevent it.

            The Primewest Energy Trust purchase by Abu Dhabi's government owned TAQA is an example of this: http://caiti-online-media.blogspot.com/2007/09/pr…

            Primewest unitholders were certainly paying Canadian taxes (income taxes and a higher rate, not corporate taxes at a lower rate). Now Primewest's owners are paying no taxes. Its not that difficult to understand…

            2) You haven't answered the question. Why won't Flaherty release his analysis on the Income Trust disaster. Is he a coward, a fool or both?

          • McC_

            in just 5 short paragraphs you have conclusively proven (1) that the income trust tax changes have cost the federal Treasury more in lost income than the status quo (in which a number of big corporations were considering converting to income trusts), and (2) that I am a Conservative stooge carrying water for Jim Flaherty; chapeau to you!

            *golf clap*

    • Jan

      Mark Carney – is that the same Mark Carney who used to work for Goldman Sachs?

    • DerekPearce

      No Flaherty fan either, but it's certain that the Income Trust decision was made because the government gets *more* revenue this way, not less.

      • Jan

        How do we 'know' that? Where's the evidence there's a net benefit to the Treasury?

      • Tceh

        Where's YOUR evidence? We know Flaherty is hiding his purported reasons for destroying the Income Trust sector. If you got something other than a warm and fuzzy trusty feeling about Flaherty's motives I'd be interested in seeing it.

        • DerekPearce

          Believe me dude, I lived through the Harris/Flaherty years and get no warm fuzzies from the man. Actually, I'm quite happy to see people pissed with him, but I think some of the analysis here is off.

  • MostlyCivil

    He's not a pirate. Is it safe to assume he's not a witch?

  • john g

    Delacourt had a great tweet on this. Goodale may have cost the Libs the next election by denying he's a pirate. Who doesn't love a pirate? Arrrr!

    • Jan

      He's certainly lost them the fans of Johnny Depp demographic. What was he thinking?

    • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

      That takes Captain Tractor out of the running for Ralph's campaign theme song, I guess…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G_L9tXEwmc

      • Jan

        Hilarious.

      • Anon

        It's funny because when he started talking about not being a pirate I remembered this song from long ago on Basic Black on CBC Radio.

      • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

        So…much…plaid…

  • Jenn_

    I'm glad someone brought up what to me is a complete contradiction that seems to have been generally ignored.

    It asserted that Canada’s economy is performing better than predicted. Yet it revealed the largest federal deficit ever recorded – $55.6 billion – nearly $2 billion higher than projected just last spring.

    So does anyone have any insights into how he screwed up EVEN MORE than he originally projected in spite of the bad news not being so bad? I mean, I well understand that projections and forecasts are iffy at best. The economy performing worse and hence a larger deficit, sure. The economy performing better and hence a smaller deficit, uhuh. But how do you square this circle?

    • Emily

      Well you mumble it on a day everyone is reeling from the UN fiasco, and hope it goes unnoticed.

    • LiveBloggin Junkie

      "The deficit in 2009–10 was $55.6 billion. This result was due primarily to the accrual of $5.6 billion in transitional assistance payments for recent provincial tax decisions to be paid in 2010–11 and 2011–12. In the March 2010 budget forecast, the transitional assistance payments were expensed in annual instalments over 2009–10 to 2011–12. In the process of finalizing the 2009–10 financial statements, and following discussions with the Office of the Auditor General of Canada, it was determined that the total amount of transitional assistance should be expensed in 2009–10 as the provinces had met all eligibility criteria. Absent the impact of this accounting change, the deficit in 2009–10 would have been $3.8 billion lower than forecast in the March 2010 budget. The impact of this change in accounting treatment lowers the projected budgetary deficit by $3.8 billion in 2010–11 and $1.9 billion in 2011–12 compared to the 2010 budget forecast. As a result, the budgetary deficit in 2010–11 is projected to be $3.8 billion lower than in the budget."

      • Andrew (not PorC)

        In short: it's a result of an accounting change to account for HST bribe money paid to BC/Ont in the current fiscal year rather than over several years.

        • LiveBloggin Junkie

          It does make one wonder if the 'bribe money' Chretien paid to the Atlantic provinces when they harmonized was accrued over one year or three.

          • Andrew (not PorC)

            My guess would be that it was over a number of years. But, the amount would be much smaller, seeing as BC+Ont is some 55-60% of the population of the country.

            I guess I'll also be clear: I use the word bribe because its a pretty accurate characterization, not to cast aspersions on the policy or the federal gov't's role in bringing the change about. I fully support the implementation of the HST in principle, though I might quibble with some of the decisions each BC and Ontario made. It's good tax policy.

      • Jenn_

        Thanks very much for that, LiveBloggin Junkie.

    • Style

      Turns out it was partisan claptrap – Mr. Goodale would have known the accounting change explained the variance from the forecast deficit. But then he wouldn't have been able to accuse his political opponent of economic mismanagement…

      • Jenn_

        Well, I'd suggest the partisan claptrap was trying to spread the expense over several years, not the accounting change to correct it. Just because it 'explains' the variance, doesn't mean the variance should have been there in the first place, if you see what I mean.

        But, at least we can look forward to a reduction of the projected deficit in the next years! That IS good news.

        • Style

          "So does anyone have any insights into how he screwed up EVEN MORE than he originally projected in spite of the bad news not being so bad?" was the claptrap Goodale was aiming for. How does that rest on an accounting change? The money is actually being spent over the next three years, but the AG says it has to be accrued at the time the provinces commit to the policy change. There's an okay argument for expensing it over the three years if it was contingent on some future behaviour by the provinces, which may have been the assumption when it was budgeted last year. But claiming the accrual treatment in last year's budget was some sort of political trick is more fun.

          • Jenn_

            Fair point. I didn't know the reason why when I posted that, and you are right that Goodale would have.

            They have pretty hard and fast rules on when you accrue and when you don't, I think. The same as they have rules against booking the expected profit on an asset sale when you haven't sold the asset yet, as Flaherty did in Ontario. We've had enough examples of 'creative accounting' in the last few years to know it can or does go on–both by business and by public bodies. So sure, I suppose it could be that Flaherty honestly believes he did it right in the budget, but Flaherty honestly believes a lot of stuff that turns out to be wrong, it would seem. Certainly, Flaherty would have known if "some future behaviour" was a key component of the deal with the provinces.

          • Style

            Finance Ministers Martin, Manley and Goodale were pretty comfortable breaking those hard and fast accrual rules – the AG pushed them for years to stop expensing foundations (which she argued are really long-term operating commitments) at year end, using the *surprise* surpluses generated by the forecasting method Goodale advocates reintroducing in his speech. The Conservatives brought that spending back onto the books appropriately and ended the forecasting method that fed to that abuse. The HST treatment was justifiable last year and corrected when the HST agreements were finalised and the appropriate treatment was obvious. That's a huge improvement over the behaviour of recent Liberal Finance Ministers.

          • Jenn_

            I've replied to this–twice–but it involves a link and in spite of the fact that I've seen my comment–twice–it appears not to 'stick'.

            Very annoying, because it was a good study relevant to our exact conversation.

          • Style

            If you post the title and author, google will probably lead me to it.

          • Jenn_

            Good plan. Its at fin.gc.ca, and it's called Review of Canadian Federal Fiscal Forecasting. It was requested by Goodale in 2005.

            I particularly liked this bit (she tries with fingers crossed) "Those interviewed offered two quite different reasons for the surplus surprises. The first group, comprising a large majority of those interviewed, saw the recent track record of larger-than-forecast surpluses as the logical outcome of two forces – the government’s practice of budgetary prudence (seen mainly as a by-product of its determination to stay out of deficit) and several years in which the economy grew faster than expected. The second camp, which was very small, saw them as the result of deliberate manipulation that is specifically designed to stifle a wider public debate over how to use future surpluses – tax less, spend more or reduce debt."

            I am in the first camp. You, I gather, fall in the second. :) I have only read (and only plan to read) the executive summary.

          • Style

            I don't see the difference between the two camps. You think the government used budgetary and forecasting prudence when developing its budgets. I point out that this means assuming you can deliver fewer government services at planned tax rates than you actually could. In the end, we get the government dumping a surplus that shouldn't have been a surprise into foundations at the end of the year with less policy oversight than there should have been and with the intention of charging ongoing operating costs of this new policy against one year's budget. The AG pointed out that the foundations were an abuse of the budget system. Liberal finance ministers ignored that observation for years – you can see their feeble responses at the back of every Budget plan since about 2004. Finally, the Conservatives ended both the "prudent" practices that were stifling public debate over the use of government revenue and the foundations that were hiding future spending through an accounting trick. From what I know of Pete DeVries, Scott Clark and others at the department at the time, I can tell you, this was not an unintended or unknown consequence.

          • Jenn_

            Okay, so let's decide to go back to the budgetary prudence, everything-that-can-go-wrong, forecasts AND put any 'surprise' surpluses TO THE DEBT! I don't like the foundations thing because I want the debt paid off more (I mean to say, if the Foundation wasn't a high enough priority to make it as a budget line, it isn't a high enough priority at the end of the year, either) I don't care if we pay $20 billion, $60 billion, $327 quadrillion of the debt off in one year if we have that much of a surplus–we can discuss where to go from here when we have no debt at all.

            Mind you, I don't mean right now while we are in an economic downturn. I understand right now a deficit is necessary. It's the structural deficit we got into before the recession I don't ever want to happen again.

          • Style

            Why? Why should we restrict government services just so we can repay debt? What makes our debtors our most important recipients of government funding? We should stay on a sustainable debt path over the long term based on realistic annual forecasts of government revenue. We could strengthen the PBO further to make sure the debt path is sustainable as well as providing oversight of revenue forecasts.

          • Jenn_

            Well, because if you just make your minimum payments when times are fairly good, the payments will still be there when life goes for a crap. And life almost always goes for a crap at some point. Then, the debt would stop being sustainable, and you'll have to increase the debt, very likely by far more than you decreased it. While paying it down when times are fairly good might not mean paying it off, it will get those minimum payments down, and even if they're still not at a sustainable level, the amount of debt you increase by to pay them won't be as much.

            Or, a shorter version. If you don't pay down the debt when times are good, and you increase the debt when times are bad, how do you ever get to a sustainable level of debt?

          • Style

            Did I say we should only make our minimum payments or, in a shorter version, that we shouldn't pay down the debt when times are good? I thought I said we should target a sustainable debt level over the long term based on reasonable annual forecasts of government revenue, both policed by a parliamentary budget officer. Weird.

          • Jenn_

            Yeah, but how do you do that when you don't know when bad times will come, how bad they'll be and how long they'll last? How can you possibly predict sustainable debt levels over the long term when you don't know that, or where interest rates will be in ten years, or anything else? The best that could happen is you'd get sustainable debt levels over the long term, plus a little bit extra for whatever. But the worst, and also even the likely, is you wouldn't (the likely and the worst are two different things, one is just much more severe than the other).

            Nobody ever predicts this stuff. Remember interest rates in the high 20% (and how come credit cards have never really come down?) That was unfathomable right before it happened.

          • Style

            I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about. We agree that debt should be controlled but not eliminated. This is what I think is happening – I am arguing that the government should tell people how it intends to spend its tax revenue, specifically how much is going to debt reduction and how much is going to government services. For example, if it intends to spend 90% of revenue on debt reduction and 10% on services, it should base its budget on assumptions that will practically guarantee that's what happens. In my view, you are arguing that the government should mislead people by telling them in the budget that 20% of revenue is going to programs and 80% is going to debt, but use assumptions that practically guarantee the ratio would be 90% to debt and 10% to services. I don't see the merit to that – to the extent that I worry I'm making a straw man version of your argument.

          • Jenn_

            Well, I think I'm saying that in the budget the government should say 20% of our expected revenue is going to programs and at least 80% is going to debt and we guarantee (in good times) that we won't have a deficit. And yes, that might work out to 90% to debt and 10% to services, but we guarantee we won't have a deficit. Now, what we could do is up that 20% to 30% spent on services, but I'd rather we didn't if we can avoid it. I see nothing whatsoever wrong with paying off the debt entirely, I just don't think we'll have that many extraordinarily good years.

            I wouldn't say it is misleading the public, although I can see how you can think that way, but rather ensuring the bad surprises don't derail us. Perhaps publicize that concept more?

          • Style

            Alright, I don't understand why you would want to pay off all the debt. To me, that's like saying you expect the federal government to operate without using electricity or some other input. True, electricity costs us money, but doing without it would be a lot worse. My approach could also guarantee that we wouldn't have a deficit, but it would do that by explicitly telling Canadians in the Budget how much of their taxes would go to debt and there'd be room for occasional downside surprises that still left us in surplus. That seems more honest and democratic.

          • Jenn_

            That's a really interesting viewpoint that I'll admit I'm having trouble relating to. Because to me, debt is to be avoided unless absolutely required–not to be taken lightly or as a regular income/expense stream. Now, I'll admit I have reason to be more debt afraid than most, but this idea that debt is, if not good, at least not bad, is almost like saying the sky is green, so I'll have to give that some time to percolate.

  • Philanthropist

    Corrupt Liberals could get lucky and win an election despite their incompetence, so we must think of the deficit as a cushion against their ability to start wasting billions and stealing millions if they do achieve the power over us that they so desperately want.

    • LdKitchenersOwn

      You know, the whole "the Liberals are incompetent spendthrifts" line of attack would be a lot more convincing if the Tories hadn't just missed their spring deficit targets by almost 2 billion dollars despite the economy being better than predicted.

      The Tories turned a $13 billion surplus into a $56 billion deficit. Even adscam doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to $69 billion.

      • Dave

        That's the problem with popular economics. No one understands this "billion" thing, but everyone understands a pack of gum or a $176 hammer.

  • Be_rad

    I know it’s tempting to throw up your hands and say “that’s just politics”. But those who peddle only partisan pap win when the rest of us resign our search for a higher level of discourse.

    I don't care which side you're on, these are important words.

    • Sigh

      Well said. I think we all need to be remined of that from time to time.

    • LiveBloggin Junkie

      They'd be fine words had they not been preceded by the speaker calling a colleague a squawking parrot

      • Be_rad

        No, they are important words, regardless of who spoke them or in what context. The challenge is to live by them and to demand better, not to immediately dive into the gutter with the usual suspects and wallow with them.

        Think about the 2nd sentence and ask yourself: 1) Have we been resigning our search? What do voter turnout stat trends tell us? 2) If yes, to 1), who has benefited from the electoral calculus that results?

        In most pot boilers, you either cherchez la femme or follow the money. In this case, I think we need to mine the election data.

        • Holly Stick

          In Calgary yesterday, almost 54% of eligible voters voted, and in so doing they defeated the two establishment candidates for mayor. Last election only 33% voted.

          • Erkel

            Exciting result, but is it germane?

          • Jenn_

            Well, it just reinforces the theory that low voter turnout benefits the incumbent.

  • Orson Bean

    Ok, I only had time to scan that speech quickly, but did Goodale say anywhere where and what he would actually CUT (and a specific numerical figure attached thereto) in order to bring the deficit down? He mentioned cancelling a corporate tax cut, but that alone won't do it, especially with the new spending Goodale talks about (although, like all politicians, he doesn't "spend" anymore; he "invests").

    • LdKitchenersOwn

      Fair point, but still, I don't think we should necessarily hold the opposition's feet to the fire to explain how they're going to get rid of the deficit until the currently sitting government does so. Not that I don't agree that the Liberals SHOULD lay out such a plan in fine detail, absolutely, (and, imho it would be politically smart to do so) it's just that I'm just generally less concerned that the deputy opposition leader doesn't seem to have a concrete plan for eliminating the deficit than I am about the fact that the Minister of Finance doesn't seem to have a concrete plan for eliminating the deficit.

      • Orson Bean

        "I don't think we should necessarily hold the opposition's feet to the fire to explain how they're going to get rid of the deficit until the currently sitting government does so. "

        I don't see why the opposition should get a free pass on this, when they're holding themselves out as the credible government-in-waiting. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

        • LdKitchenersOwn

          Well, not entirely. I don't think they should get a free pass, I just think it's more outrageous that the current government has no plan, than it is that the official opposition has no plan. As far as being a "government in waiting" goes, perhaps the Liberals have just been convinced by years of Tory government that having a complete dearth of plans or policies is what the government is supposed to do!

  • RunningGag

    Of course he's not a pirate, the 'Last Saskatchewan Pirate' is Captain Jack (* gasp * Layton?).

    What makes it even better is that Mr. Goodale is the Member for Wascana.

  • Canuck237503

    It also continues to be a huge mystery to me why it is that the public has bought the whole "Conservatives are better on the economy" nonsense (as they have in the US w/r/t Republicans). There are simply no facts that could even begin to support that assertion; the "Liberals want to tax and spend" completely belies history.

    I'm not sure what's more depressing, however: that the Conservatives make the argument, or that the public believes it.

    • LdKitchenersOwn

      I always say, the Liberals campaign like drunken sailors and govern like responsible citizens, while the Tories campaign as though they're going to be responsible citizens and then spend like drunken sailors.

      • danby

        Sailors? Ahem.
        Pirates

  • Dave

    Damn. It's a month late for Talk Like a Pirate Day.

    Aaarr.

  • sourstud

    Especially hilarious coming right after saying "We will approach this important matter with the rigour, respect and reason that we find so missing from the government."

  • Calgary Junkie

    No, Ralph's not a pirate, Just a career politician.

  • DerekPearce

    And Flaherty, and especially Harper, aren't?

  • Dave

    You say that like there's something wrong with that.

  • burlivespipe

    Coming from a stooge who worships the cold lies of a career politician, I find your point bizarre. Unless you are back on about the pirates.

  • Canuck237503

    Moreover, what on earth is wrong with career politicians? I know it's one of the poisons that infects American politics down here (the "I'd rather some guy with no experience become president because at least he's not a career politician" thing). Why would we not want someone with lots of experience in government?

    I really don't buy the "career politicians are just lazy sods who do nothing but get fat on taxpayer dollars, let's boot them out and replace them with inexperienced rubes" thing. I think it quite a strength of our system that by the time a politician becomes PM or a senior minister, s/he will probably have had a variety of other portfolios in the government (Harper aside).

  • tedbetts

    The thing is, there's enough career politicians in the place and you are always going to have a ton of career politicians. When your leader and all of the key cabinet ministers are career politicians, like with the Conservatives, you are at risk of trading experience for connection, status quo for innovation, politics for policy. When you are surrounded by politics and politicians and political advisors, and (worse) politicians and political advisors all batting for the same team, you lose something significant pretty quickly.

    It is not, for me at least, that career politicians are lazy sods, but that they are working and living in a bubble that is so alien to the rest of us. They lose all sense of what is important and relevant to ordinary Canadians.

    I think that is what has happened with Harper. It is certainly what happened to Chretien and Trudeau. Martin and Mulroney were not career politicians but by the time Martin got to be PM and by the time Mulroney was on his way out, they had lost that connection to the everyday issues facing Canadians.

  • DerekPearce

    Excellent summary Ted, totally captures it.

  • Mike T.

    They're also career politicians with little to no experience being the governing party at the Federal level (a distinction little Maxime suddenly believes to be important).

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