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Promises, promises

by Paul Wells on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:40pm - 180 Comments

What then are we to do with the entire notion of a campaign promise? I was there in September of 2008, the first week of that year’s election campaign, when Stephen Harper strolled into a fake media “breakfast” (he ate no food and drank only water) to announce that Canada’s military mission in Afghanistan should end in 2011. Coyne went ballistic. But at least he noticed that since the it-all-ends-in-2011 thing constituted a 180-degree turnabout from Harper, maybe another 180 was still possible. “You just never know.”

And indeed it was so. Though the prime minister has a hard time finding his voice on the issue this week, armies of leakers are suggesting on his behalf that the military mission won’t end in 2011, but that hundreds, even as many as 1,000, will remain to do training in Kabul. (Harper apologists, who are constantly having to figure out why his latest zig-zag was coming all along, will patiently explain that this will become a training mission, which is different from a combat mission. But it was precisely the notion of a training mission that Peter Kent ruled out in June when he said “there’s no wiggle room at all.” Now there’s room for a mambo parade.

We are left wondering, not for the first time, why we put the Conservative leader to the trouble of making election promises since he is only going to ignore them. Remember the $900 million diesel tax cut? Neither does he. Remember the promise never to go into deficit? Now you don’t have to. Remember six or eight carbon cap-and-trade schemes the Conservatives ginned up to block Stéphane Dion? Never mind.

Of course the laments on this can be multi-partisan. Chrétien’s vow to scrap, kill and abolish the GST. Gordon Campbell, RIP, on the HST. Some people are so livid over all this promise-breaking that they try to concoct schemes to hold politicians to their electoral vows with various penalties for infringement.

But what if the problem isn’t promise-breaking but promise-making itself?

I’m at least half serious. (It can be hard to tell.) The notion of the fully-costed, detailed and itemized campaign platform is actually relatively new in Canadian politics. I’m reminded of this by Dynasties and Interludes: Past and Present in Canadian Electoral Politics, a handy new survey of Canadian electoral history by academics Lawrence Leduc, Jon H. Pammett, Judith I. McKenzie and André Turcotte. They cover campaigns going right back to Confederation, and note that while “big economic problems…force themselves onto the electoral agenda and necessitate a response from the parties,” “most major parties prefer to treat such problems on a high level of generality and stress their capacity to tackle them rather than to implement a specific program to implement a solution…. The fate of parties proposing specific policy responses like Reciprocity in 1911, the Little New Deal in 1935, Wage and Price Controls in 1974, or the Green Shift in 2008 has not been a happy one.”

Leduc and his colleagues call Jean Chrétien’s 1993 Red Book “a departure from previous election campaigns in Canada.” Since then, of course, the model has been locked in: Chrétien was essentially forced to produce Red Books in 1997 and 2000, or he’d seem less interested in policy once he had the job than he had been to get it. Other parties responded in kind. (Jean Charest’s 1997 platform document was called Let the Future Begin, which struck me as a new peak of banality: have you ever tried to stop the future from beginning?) And even though the Chrétien Liberals tried to bury their platform in the news cycle in 2000, and Paul Martin scrummed on abortion on the same day as he released his 2004 platform, thus obliterating any coverage of his policies, and Stephen Harper brought his platform out as late as he could in 2008, parties that seriously contend for power have felt the need, since 1993, to produce costed omnibus platform documents as the price of doing business.

But does it make any sense? Harper’s diesel tax cut was dumb and pointless and we are better off for his failure to implement it. His twin matching Afghanistan flip-flops reveal, among other things, the folly of predicting the progress of a shooting war. Is it possible to return to a time when character and background were all leaders needed to campaign on? Feel free to discuss.

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  • DBM

    "Is it possible to return to a time when character and background were all leaders needed to campaign on? Feel free to discuss."

    That would be to the considerable disadvantage of leaders who lack character and background. Such leaders will, therefore, resist returning to such a time.

    But seriously…didn't this really die with Reform? When a bunch of people who resented the fact that they couldn't win PC nominations precisely because they were thought to lack the necessary 'character and background' (though many of them were characters, and most of them ended up in the background) rose up in protest?

  • Dave

    have you ever tried to stop the future from beginning

    Yes, and the hernia still flares up occasionally.

  • c_9

    "Discuss," eh? Alright, let's aim for efficiency here: This is clearly proves/disproves my preconceived notions on this topic and all others, and everyone except me is just a varying degree of wrong. Paul Wells himself has exposed his left/right bias and obvious love of Harper/Ignatieff. I'm shocked/happy that Maclean's is proudly/stupidly running this column, and I will renew/cancel my subscription immediately/never.

    • Inkless

      You're at least half right.

      • madeyoulook

        Wrong, Wells! c_9 is at MOST half right! So there!

        • sourstud

          You are approximately 50% wrong.

    • A_logician

      C_9, that posting acted like C4 on this discussion.

    • Phil

      Right on, never have known what he really thinks or can think. Just in for the money I guess.

  • tedbetts

    There are certainly fundamental campaign promises that are famous for their breaking.

    Harper has raised the campaign promise and breaking to a high art form, a kind of dadaist of electoral politics.

    And what he might lack in the quality of his broken promises, he more than makes up in quantity. He has broken more promises in 5 years than the last 5 Prime Minister's put together: wait time guarantees, no taxing of income trusts, fixed election dates, no unelected senators, "made in Canada" environmental policies, honouring the equalization deals with NL and Saskatchewan, cutting the gas tax, get all of our money back on softwood lumber, a public appointments commission, Parliamentary committee vetting of Supreme Court nominees, Budget Office responsible to Parliament, confidence votes only on budgets, no lobbying by former staffers, release all government public opinion research automatically within 6 months, no sole source bidding, appoint a director of public prosecutions, strengthen (not weaken) the Ethics Commissioners powers, strengthen (not weaken or ignore) the Information Commissioners powers, promise to provide access to PMO schedule, no cutting and running from Afghanistan (2006) and etc etc etc etc.

    • Mike T.

      To come to the man's defence (which I rarely do) I think the growth of the internet even in the past four years has given infinite opportunity to list and re-examine his failings – something not even Martin has as much of.

      That being said it does seem kind of unique and staggering. Plus his contempt for parliament itself.

      • tedbetts

        Ah but show me where he ever promised to show respect for democracy and Parliament!

        • LdKitchenersOwn

          I think early Reform Party era Stephen Harper might have had some nice things to say about democracy and Parliament once. Then again, that was like, three or four Stephen Harpers ago.

          • LdKitchenersOwn

            Hey, what gives? Everybody else takes a swipe at the PM and gets a thumbs up, I take a swipe at him and I'm at minus 1???

    • http://cherniaklawyer.com Jason Cherniak

      I'm obviously no fan of Harper, but this likely decision doesn't surprise me in the least. Did anybody actually believe that we were going to withdraw all troops in 2011? I understand that there are statements suggesting that's what he meant, but I'm not convinced that more than a handfull of Canadians were aware of them. I'm also pretty sure that there were statements suggesting the exact opposite all along. Muddling through military issues in Canada is older than WWII.

  • tedbetts

    On a more serious note, as a student of political history, I have an (unresearched) theory for why we might be seeing this.

    The two main parties have far more in common than they have differences. And this is only increasingly so (Chretien expanded NAFTA, privatized Air Canada, did all the fiscally responsible thing Conservatives claim to want; Harper increased the size of government more than it has ever been; Hudak won't get rid of HST; etc.).

    As a result, parties need to stretch into narrow and specific promises to distinguish themselves. So how to distinguish yourself? Three easy ways:
    1. If there is a big issue, just take the opposite regardless of your party history (free trade)

    2. Make lots of promises and even a full platform. Especially if the other guy doesn't do it.

    3. Focus on smaller and more ancillary issues – like cancelling a particular program or initiative (helicopters) – accountability/corruption/patronage (a non-partisan issue and the single biggest reason for the change in government since Trudeau), and irrelevant stuff like who would you drink a beer with and where do you drink your coffee.

    • Reverend_Blair

      I don't really understand the beer thing. I'm never going to vote for Ignatieff, but I'd definitely go for a beer with him. I can't vote for Duceppe's party, and wouldn't even if I could, but I'd like to go for a beer with him too. They are interesting people and would be entertaining to drink beer with.

      The coffee thing strikes me as bizarre too. Am I the last guy on the planet who fills up a thermos from the pot at home? If I'm in a position where I have to buy coffee, the big question is proximity, not politics.

      • Mr Irrelevant

        People take the Tim Hortons vs. Starbucks thing a little too literally. The idea is that these are two large chains that are pitched at particular demographics, urbane cosmopolitan types vs. humble middle class suburbanites, and like coffee, politics can be marketed to these sub-cultures. So your coffee habits might not indicate anything but whatever your other consumer habits are probably provide a clue. TH vs. SB is just a handy way of defining that.

    • Aberhart

      Don't you think it is more important to consider why parties are becoming increasingly indistinguishable? If that hypothesis is indeed the case, by this logic your theories about the constant campaign are, then, increasingly irrelevant.

      • tedbetts

        On the contrary.

        Because the parties are increasingly indistinguishable on fundamentals – even the NDP accept the basic premises of market capitalism, even the Harper Conservatives believe in government stimulus to the economy – there is an ever present need to show how different you are. And you do this on the smallest of stuff that you have to jump on as it hits the news.

        If the parties were fundamentally different on core issues, you would not need to keep reminding people how different you were. It would be obvious.

        • Aberhart

          Yes. But do you accept the premise that global market capitalism with an occasional heady does of stimulus at the expense of a multitude of tax-paying publics is a desirable convergence point for representative politics?

          Even now, after the ongoing crises of the financial markets reveal bare face the systematic fraud at the heart of this, the new 'common sense' is to gauge out social welfare!!

          My point on irrelevance is precisely to counter what we have to put up with. These performances over the minute are only relevant with respect to the shrinking stage of parliamentary democracy.

      • tedbetts

        And just to be clear: I'm talking beyond the immediacy of the current Harper Conservatives and the Ignatieff Liberals. There are issues that do define them, but the core of the two main parties (and to a great extent the NDP and the Bloc), remains remarkably close such that the distinguishing "issues" are policies that most of the time either one of them might have come up with (eg. Flaherty was strongly opposed to a GST/PST cut when Minister of Finance in Ontario; now he's strongly in favour of it a few years later as Minister of Finance federally. The NDP called for a PST/GST cut under Harris/Eves, the NDP opposed the GST cut under Harper.)

        • Stewart_Smith

          Isn't that possibly a good thing. You know, those boring pilots all want to fly the same route from A to B. All those boring doctors prescribing similar treatments for a given affliction. All those houses built with the two by fours the same distance apart.

          I really hate to be arguing the current crop is something special, but one would likely expect convergence to come with competence.

          • tedbetts

            I'm not arguing its better or worse. Just saying I think it explains why there is such a push to distinguish from constant the other side through things like platforms and myriad specific promises in ways there wasn't in the past and so much campaigning and why the issues are not as significant or really fundamentally partisan (from accountability/corruption to a minor GST cut to where do you drink coffee).

  • tedbetts

    Calling it a goal does not solve the main issue: if your goal is to not tax income trusts and then you turn around and tax income trusts, what is the difference? Or a better example: if your goal is to reduce the gas tax if price goes over $0.85, and then you do nothing about that, what's the difference?

    • john g

      The difference is, I'm not banking on a government following through on something they aren't committed enough on to call a "promise".

      Making the crazy assumption for the moment that politics were not run by politicians, ideally at the end of a term one would review how many of the campaign goals were accomplished, and a government that accomplished none of it's goals (while keeping its promises), would still not be considered a success (i.e. there should be an honest effort to craft achievable goals).

      The point of splitting promises and goals is to demonstrate depth of commitment.

      • LdKitchenersOwn

        The point of splitting promises and goals is to demonstrate depth of commitment.

        Fair enough, but why not be more honest about it in that case, and instead of dividing them into "promises" and "goals" we ask politicians to divide them into "promises we intend to keep" and "just blowing smoke up your a$$".

        • john g

          I guess you didn't read my "crazy assumption". Well, thought I'd set aside the cynicism for a moment.

          Whew, glad that's over. Back to reality. Yeah, it'll never work. But it was fun to dream for a moment.

    • hollinm

      The old income trust ploy….I guess there is no allowance for an opposition leader becoming PM and learning more about the issue, taking into considerations changed circumstances and deciding what is in the best interest of the country. For God sakes if you make a promise you had better stick to it because the media and of course the opposition parties and their supporters will rub it in your face for the rest of your life.

      • TwoYen

        Hollim. You are absolutely correct.

        Harper may deserve criticism for reversing his position on any number of promises, but the income trust issue is not one of them. Indeed, unlike the census issue where I strongly disagree with the Harper government's position, the "New Government's "decision on income trusts actually is evidence that it listened to advice, took into consideration devloping conditions that showed the tax base being distorted by bad policy, and used this advice in making the right decision.

        Indeed, the reversal on income trust should be showcased as an example of this government doing the right thing.

        • Mike T.

          Even if the ultimate result was acceptable, he still broke the promise. As mentioned below he could have said "I can't for the life of me foresee why giving government approval to a lucrative new method of bookkeeping and share distribution would convince other large companies to use the system as well (????), but if they do we might have to re-examine our position."

          • TwoYen

            And do you think that breaking a promise is wrong if it means that a new government adopts the correct policy?

            I actually commend Jean Chretien for breaking his promise to abolish the GST and Stephen Harper for breaking his promise on income trusts.

            In both cases, the new PM learned the facts after assuming office and did the right thing. They should be praised not criticised.

          • Mike T.

            He didn't learn the facts after assuming office – he knew EXACTLY what would happen. This is a disingenuous talking point I would like to see laid to rest.

            The policy of the government and its integrity in governing are separate issues. I think we can all be glad the first isn't as bad as we feared in 2005, while still being agog at the stupendous lapses in the second.

          • TwoYen

            Talking point? Whose talking point? I think for myself. You may disagree with it, but no one sends me talking points.

          • Mike T.

            What, then, possibly leads you to believe he learned anything new about income trusts only after taking office? That he really thought no other companies would switch to the system if the government approved it? If true, we should never ever trust a "leader" with that level of planning ability ever again.

          • Thwim

            I still contend there is a difference between not fulfilling a promise, and actively taking steps to do the opposite of what's promised.

            Harper has on may occasions done the latter without so much as a "mea culpa" for it. To think that he didn't know the facts on income trusts before he got into office is to assume that the man is an idiot.

            While I will call Harper many things, idiot is not generally among them.

        • tedbetts

          To bring home the point of the post, it is not the broken promise that is at issue (even though it cost many a huge chunk of their retirement savings), but the reckless promise to begin with.

          The issue of "tax leakage" existed before and after the election. It had been debated and discussed for months leading up to the Liberals awful attempt at dealing with it. Harper was a part of those discussions. He can't claim ignorance. There was no need to make an absolutist, "never" promise. No need whatsoever. It was entirely a political to pretend to be decisive. But it was reckless.

          Not only was is entirely a political promise for political gain, but by being so cavalier and selfish about the promise, Harper actually influenced the market. People relied upon his promise of "never". Canadians lost money because of his promise.

      • Mike T.

        Every single issue which came to pass regarding income trusts was 100% foreseeable before the election. If he needed to "learn more about them", he isn't worthy of the job of PM, or his economics degree.

        And if he meant "we will not tax income trusts UNLESS more companies take start using this advantageous tax loophole", he could damn well have said so.

      • LdKitchenersOwn

        Well, except that in the case of the Afghanistan policy change it's more like the PM stuck to the promise over, and over, and OVER again, and then just disappeared one day and sent out his communications guy to try to explain to the nation that our country's post-2011 Afghanistan policy had done a 180 (it's just that no elected official can talk about it apparently).

        If the PM's been "learning more about the issue, taking into consideration changed circumstances and deciding what is in the best interest of the country" for the past two years, while repeatedly telling us in public that there'd be no more than an embassy guard or two in Afghanistan post-2011 perhaps it's not too much to ask that he explain that to us himself?

      • tedbetts

        You are right, Holinm.

        It's not as if he promised to cancel the GST and didn't, after all. Had he done something like that – which, unlike Harper's reckless promise, didn't cost $35 billion in the market place and hit seniors hard – we'd be talking about income trust for a decade or two longer.

        • NorthernPoV

          The GST flip affected just about everyone in Canada.
          The IT promise was directed at a narrow group (who relied on the promise to make existential-financial decisions about their investments). The broken promise in this case over-affected that narrow group – not the wide spread irritant-style impact of the GST Hence this was the most evil of broken promises.
          Flipping on Afghanistan is a close second, mind.

      • briguyhfx

        Well, if he made the income trust promise without knowing the actual details that the promise entailed, it was poor judgement on his part. If he made it cynically, knowing full well that he couldn't keep the promise if elected, then it was a lie. You choose: poor judgement or lie?

  • tedbetts

    So there was, in fact, "wiggle room" when he said there was no "wiggle room".

    The problem is that when you make definitive absolutist position to manufacture an image of being decisive, you set your own trap on the later flip flop and broken promise.

    • Dot

      Well, I happen to believe he will say just about anything to stay in power – that is his goal.

      So, did he capitulate to pressure from the US/UK etc lately, or was it always an option he held close to his vest in 2008 – with wiggle room? I'm sure he enjoys these G20 meetings etc and being seen as a player – so I dunno.

    • Inkless

      This is kind of where I am. I'm really angry about the flip-flop on Afghanistan — not the emerging new policy, which is debatable, but the fact that these guys spent two years ruling out a flip-flop. Harper could have said, at every turn, "Parliament decided on the extension after 2007 and it decided again on the extension after 2009. We'll involve Parliament on any decisions after 2011, and we'll make those decisions based on events in an inherently unpredictable situation." Instead he said no no no no no no no no yes.

      • tedbetts

        Exactly.

        This is what happens when you show "leadership" by checking in the back mirror to see what the opposition is doing and how you can corner the opposition as the basis for policy decisions and directions.

      • madeyoulook

        There might have been a maybe or two amid those many no's…
        http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/19/the-2011-afgha…

        • LdKitchenersOwn

          That might be a "maybe" from Ignatieff, but it reads like an "it's up to Parliament" from Harper to me. To me, Harper is saying there that his hands are essentially tied… I'm just not sure how he managed to untie them without any help from Parliament!

          • madeyoulook

            Well, here's what some random commenter thought about Parliament, way back in Feb of '09:
            As to the USA wanting more from all allies, and Canada's current intention to bug out in '11. I suspect the tone will soon change to "unless Parliament directs otherwise" sneaking into the national conversation. Then watch for Parliament to direct otherwise, if our forces can at all take the stand-down being whisked away like that. I suspect the nationwide swooning up here for President Hope A. Change will soon morph the attitude from "Stop killing innocents for Bush's other stupid war" to "Let's hope he notices us. Anything! We'll do anything! 100,000 more soldiers? To hell with national-service Katimavik, it's time for a draft!" Well, ok, maybe not that far.
            http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/16/the-new-world-…

          • LdKitchenersOwn

            Don't get me wrong, I figured things were going to go pretty much exactly this way a year ago too. Hell, haven't we all questioned on these boards, several times, why the Tories seemed so adamant about ending the military mission so completely and comprehensively? The fact that many people said, sometimes WHILE HE WAS MAKING THE PROMISES that there was no way the PM would just keep this promise, doesn't really absolve him from the promise, does it?

            Also, do you think Parliament is actually going to be asked to be involved in this decision? And, if so, does it still constitute "consulting Parliament" if you make sure everyone knows what you're going to do before asking Parliament what you should do?

          • madeyoulook

            Also, do you think Parliament is actually going to be asked to be involved in this decision?
            Yes, I do. But see next.

            And, if so, does it still constitute "consulting Parliament" if you make sure everyone knows what you're going to do before asking Parliament what you should do?
            Yes it does. This is a minority Parliament, and the Liberals would have to go along (NDP and BQ are pretty much settled on this question already, methinks). Just because SH and MI have a chat and hammer out a deal beforehand, making any Parliamentary resolution a fait accompli, does not diminish this as a parliamentary consultation.

          • LdKitchenersOwn

            Just because SH and MI have a chat and hammer out a deal beforehand, making any Parliamentary resolution a fait accompli, does not diminish this as a parliamentary consultation.

            Even if the PM makes no mention of having had any such discussions with Ignatieff? Even if Ignatieff claims, in public, that he thinks the Tories are "scrambling"? Even if Ignatieff is quoted as saying, "We don’t know what they’re talking about. We don’t know how many trainers. This isn’t the kind of thing you want to do some secret deal with the Liberals about. This is a conversation that has to be had with Canadians. How many trainers? For how long? Who else is training? What are your training targets? What kind of mission is this?" (emphasis added, link).

            I think you might be right that it's not a problem for Harper and Ignatieff to make a deal beforehand and then have it essentially "ratified" by Parliament, and that this could still be considered "consulting" Parliament. It's a little harder to make that argument without support from Michael Ignatieff though, isn't it?

            Not that I think that Ignatieff will actually get in the way of this plan, but still, it just doesn't seem right to me, after all of their rhetoric leading up to this, that the government would leak their plan to the media, so that EVERYONE (the Afghans, the Americans, all of our other allies…) get a sense that we're committed to a course of action that we've been loudly and repeatedly denying for two solid years was ever going to be even a theoretical possibility; and THEN they'll go to Parliament to see if the House of Commons is OK with approving a foreign policy plan that's already been announced to the world.

          • madeyoulook

            Even if the PM makes no mention of having had any such discussions with Ignatieff? Even if Ignatieff claims, in public, that he thinks the Tories are "scrambling"? Even if Ignatieff is quoted as saying, "We don’t know what they’re talking about. We don’t know how many trainers.["]
            Yes. Even if. The public-consumption preening is an inevitable result of partisan politics; the agreement and subsequent parliamentary resolution are what actually matter.

            This isn’t the kind of thing you want to do some secret deal with the Liberals about. This is a conversation that has to be had with Canadians.
            In a minority Parliament, this is exactly the behind-the-scenes conversation that has to be had, so that this country does not look like a bunch of bumbling military policy jackasses to the international community because of a nasty surprise outcome in the minority House of Commons. "Conversation with Canadians" sounds nice, on paper, but our MPs, for better or for worse, have the parliamentary duty to work these things out on our behalf. A true and earnest "conversation with Canadians" on this topic would be a godforsaken mess and a guaranteed impasse.

          • LdKitchenersOwn

            … this country does not look like a bunch of bumbling military policy jackasses to the international community because of a nasty surprise…

            Like, say, an unelected PMO staffer announcing a complete 180 turn on our Afghanistan policy while the PM is out of the country and without the party discussing it with anyone else first?

            Not that I don't take your point, but still. I'm just not sure I'm totally comfortable with the whole "decide what we're going to do behind closed doors and then 'debate' it in public after the decision's been made" approach. More to the point, I'm also absolutely CERTAIN that I don't like the actual "have an unelected staffer leak the new policy on T.V., THEN see if the Leader of the Official Opposition is on board, THEN see if Parliament is on board" strategy that's actually what's happened. I can get behind your notion of SH and MI deciding what they can agree to and then having it announced, but what sense does it make for the PMO to announce the policy publicly and THEN find out if Michael Ignatieff will agree to it???

          • madeyoulook

            You are assuming that's what happened, just because that's what people say happened. I'm not saying it didn't happen exactly that way. But I hold some optimistic hope that the two leading parties in a minority Parliement have had a what-if chat or two on this question.

            And I agree the PMO staffer currently dodging Commons committee issued subpoena wielding bailiffs is not the wisest of front men, here.

          • LdKitchenersOwn

            We've really got to get better bailiffs.

            He's RIGHT THERE!!!

            ON T.V.!!!

            (facepalm)

  • Emily

    By the sound of it.

    The one question I'd like answered in any interview/debate of leaders is the 'vision thingy'.

    Not what about the situation is Gopher Hole Sask, or how would you deal with [followed by some hypothetical crisis] because they don't know….and can't admit they don't know or they'll look 'weak'. So we get bafflegab.

    But 'where do you see Canada in 5 years? Where do you want to lead us? What kind of country do you want to see?'

    And it shouldn't be allowed to be answered with motherhood statements….like 'a strong and prosperous Canada'….I mean who'd want a weak broke Canada?

    But we need to know the direction any govt wants to go in….no matter what local situations crop up, or what global crises happen. What are they aiming for?

    Only then can we decide if we want to go there.

    • sourstud

      Ya, I agree that the vision thing is probably the most important matter that voters would want to know. But what kind of answer to that question would actually be acceptable? I'm trying to think of a way to answer "Where do you see Canada in 5 years?" that wouldn't just be pablum.

  • Moe_Mentum

    I keep thinking of Mulroney's "jobs jobs jobs" promise back in 1984. I have a hard time picturing any politician making such a general and all-encompassing promise like that now – at most, they might say 'we'll create an economic environment more conducive to job creation' or we'll launch program X which we believe will create Y number of jobs. Maybe you could make the argument that more specific promises show more respect for a discerning public? Notwithstanding the actual follow through on those promises, of course.

    • McC_

      wasn't "jobs jobs jobs" Chretien's motto in the 1993 election?

      • Moe_Mentum

        Seems to me to be more of a Mulroney thing (http://bit.ly/9n7HRn), but they all made bigger promises a few short decades ago.

        But then, as Pete Tong points out below, Obama promised 'hope,' which is even more encompassing, intangible and harder to measure than 'jobs jobs jobs,' so maybe they haven't shaken that impulse to promise to change the world after all.

    • Reverend_Blair

      Yeah, but Mulroney didn't keep that promise either.

  • PeteTong

    How about the Ontario Liberals promise to close the Coal Plants and not raise taxes?

    How about Obama's promise of hope.

    When I vote I tend to ignore party lines and go for the candidate in my riding that has impressed me the most. So party platforms are mostly meaningless but so is my vote. Because I'm an elite Torontonian I prefer candidates with post secondary education.

    • TJCook

      "How about Obama's promise of hope.

      Given that hope is utterly intangible, I don't think this is the same category as Wells' examples.

      • Mike T.

        Why do you hate the troops, TJCook?

    • Mike T.

      I guess the ONtario thing is whether he should have been required to say "unless Mike Harris has cooked the books into a booby trap".

    • hosertohoosier

      So I'm guessing you didn't vote for George Smitherman and think that Gerard Kennedy should leave politics.

      • PeteTong

        Thank you for giving me an opportunity to tell you about how much I like Gerard Kennedy. I wouldn't classify myself as a Liberal (not the big L) but after hearing Gerard Kennedy speak I was smitten. I volunteered and voted for Gerard in the 2008 General Election. If he were to run in future leadership campaign I would be there for him again. Does this contradict what I previously wrote. Not exactly. I did say I "prefer" but in Gerard's case I am willing to overlook it. Personally I think he should kill two birds with one stone and get a B.A. and M.A. in French and Quebec studies (or something like that).

        As for George Smitherman, again you caught me. I did vote for him in the mayoral election (although I didn't really want to and I felt dirty afterwards). But I must admit my reservations with George Smitherman had nothing to do with his lack of university degree.

        That said, post secondary eduction is something I look for in a candidate.

  • canucklehead

    Ironic that Reform era Harper once advocated some kind of a legal process to use against politicians who broke their promises.

    The way I see it is that enough voters have unreasonable expectations that all politicians should make unreasonable promises. How else will reasonable politicians get elected?

    • TwoYen

      Stephen Harper has learned quite a few things since his days in the Reform Party. We all learn with experience.

  • LdKitchenersOwn

    Context is important. Since Harper's election promise – Obama was elected, with a refocus on Afghanistan with a US surge of 30k troops, and a timetable to pull out.

    Sure, but ALSO since his election promise Harper, and various Cabinet Ministers, have repeated the promise over and over and over again. Every time more emphatically. "No wiggle room". "Nothing but a soldier or two guarding the odd Embassy".

    You're correct that many things have changed since 2008 but up until this week the 2011 promise was not one of them. If anything, before this week's 180, the promise was getting more and more emphatic and specific.

    And then, "Poof!"

    I wouldn't even mind so much if it was the Prime Minister saying "Poof!", but Soudas? Come on! If you're going to go back on everything you've been saying to the public for the last two years about a war we're actively fighting, at least do it in person!

  • Stewart_Smith

    This would be a great subject to debate Coyne assuming you are a true believer. Representative democracy was never intended to be direct Democracy. Trying to convert governance to execution of an algorithm is an approach akin to putting the Lost in Space robot in charge. (Dimitri Soudas does sound like him a bit when talking about military hardware.)

  • CAPS

    Paul. the episode you describe from the last election was the most egregious example of the MSM not doing their job. Rather than questioning Steve as he sat there withi his (evidentially untouched) coffee and muffins, everybody just nodded and dutifully reported what he said. All the reporters just stated that this took the issue off the table for the election rather than pointing out the obvious contradiction and anything else they night have learned from actually posing a question to Stephen Harper.

    The other example cited – the diesel tax – also got off without any actual analysis.

    The question shouldn't be whether political parties make promises or not, it should be whether the promises make sense, demonstrate some sort of coherant political vision and don't represent a complete contradiction of everything said political party previously espoused. (at least without providing some sort of explanantion for the 180 degree flip).

    • chet

      They were too busy with important "gotcha" matters, such as the source and in depth implications of the use of a cartoon pooping puffin.

      • NorthernPoV

        and ignoring the fact that virtually all the economists supported a carbon tax!

        Ya, drives me crazy too chet.

  • hollinm

    This is why politicians do not like to admit mistakes or change positions when circumstances change because people like you who are armchair quarterbacks at best and not very good ones at that are there to remind them of what they said and to rub it in like salt in a wound. Grow up my friend. Instead of focusing on the PM's changed position why not talk about whether it is the right decision.

    • Emily

      Well we already know it's the wrong decision….but it's the media's job to question the govt.

      The media isn't just here to amuse you, ya know.

    • gottabesaid

      I'll expect you to forward your concerns about using old quotes and drudging up old policy positions to the Conservative Party so they stop using those unfortunate quotes from Michael Ignatieff against him. Unless, of course, you just want everybody to lay off your guy… stop questioning the leader, and start supporting the troops!

      • hollinm

        gottabesaid……Michael Ignatieff has not made a promise since becoming leader of the Liberal party. He waffles and puts escape hatches in anything he says or flip flops. So don't confuse the two.

        • gottabesaid

          No, you're a partisan who believes that any criticism against your guys is unfair, and any criticism against Ignatieff is on the money. Harper just spent two damn years saying it was a hard deadline and then… no, it's not a hard deadline. He's got to explain that. Anyway, I know he's your guy and you think he should get a free pass. No sense arguing the point. I'm just shocked you don't see the complete nonsense of your position.

          • NorthernPoV

            "I'm just shocked you don't see the complete nonsense of your position. "
            then you have avoided reading the drivel that hollinm posts daily here on his board.
            lucky you

    • s_c_f

      It's up to a politician to explain himself when he changes a position. People should be rightly concerned when policy proposals that won their vote are reversed after the election is over. It's not as simple as you make it sound.

      • hollinm

        s_c_f…….yes it is. While we all would like perfection from our politicians the reality is when a politician does not follow through on his/her promises they are jumped all over. On the income trust thingy Flaherty explained why the decision was made but his opponents did not like the answer and so the issue went on for days and days. If no answer is given then the oxygen is taken out of the issue and the media and opposition move on. Thats the political reality.

        However, as I said previously it is not the opposition or media who get to judge promise breaking it is the Canadian electorate. They voted even more strongly for Harper in the 08 election with him short of a majority by I think 12 seats.

        If Harper has changed his position on Afghanistan fine. Point it out. However, having columns written day after day about the change in position serves no purpose. It is the decision that should be discussed. However, from Harper's position maybe he feels that discussing the "flip flop" is better than discussing the new decision to leave troops for training.

        • tedbetts

          Actually, Harper's support went down in 2008. Fewer Canadians voted for him in 2008 than in 2006. And his support as a percentage of eligible voting Canadians also went down, to the lowsest level of support in Canadian history at 21%.

          He was only saved because Dion did even worse than Harper did.

      • hollinm

        hollinm continued…..

        So a sufficient number of Canadians were not overly concerned on balance with the so called "promise breaking" and re-elected the government. Canadians have come to expect it. However, there does not appear to be a statute of limitations where the losing party's supporters don't let go. That tells me they are struggling to find new issues and want to keep fighting the previous elections over again.

        • DNB

          Actually, a significant number of Canadians who had voted in 2006 (some 970,000 in all) were disgusted by the whole lot of them (ie: all parties/politicians) and stayed home. Only the Greens showed a positive vote growth; every other party, including the Bloc, lost votes, when compared to the 2006 election.

    • chet

      How about this:

      let the partisans say "ah hah…gotcha you changed your position" and try to make political hay out it, as is their right to do so in the world of partisanship,

      and let the media inform us (eeegads, did I suggest the media's role is to simply inform and not pursuade???)

      rather than media types jumping into the fray with the finger pointing, conclusion making, gotcha generating news "analysis" (or opinion/agenda journalism dressed up as "news")?

      • gottabesaid

        Actually, I don't mind opinion/agenda journalism as long as you know where it's coming from. I tend to hold small-l liberal views on most (not all) things. But when a story breaks, the first thing I generally do is seek out right-leaning commentary, because I know what my biases are and I'd like someone to challenge those assumptions I've made. Then I head over to these boards and shoot my mouth off.

        That said, I know many conservatives feel as though 'straight' news stories are being torqued to the left. I'm not a conservative, so it's no surprise that I don't see that.

      • hollinm

        chet…….I think Ken Dryden is right. The media go for the easy hit because they are lazy and it is too much work to think about all sides of an issue before hitting the keyboard. Some of it has to do with the 24 hour news cycle but a lot of it has to do with the politically biases of reporters, columnists, editors and publishers. They are becoming more partisan in their approach to news. Of course The Red Star is in a league of its own. It does not pretend to do anything but support the Liberal party. In some ways that is more honest than other media outlets who pretend they are fair and balanced.

        • gottabesaid

          Listen to yourself, man! Let's talk about lazy excuses… I think the laziest way to approach this issue is to bellyache about the media. It's a red (pardon the pun) herring. Why don't you start instead by defending your party's leader for his stunning policy and platform reversals — on the elected senate, on climate change (did you know that in 2007 Harper said it was the biggest threat facing humanity? Seriously! He did!), on income trust, on Aghanistan, on Afghanistan again, on the country's economic position (we're not going to be in deficit, we're going to be in surplus! Oh wait, no, we're going to run the biggest deficit in the history of the country)… I can go on if you'd like me to. Dalton McGuinty is getting the same treatment in Ontario, so it's not a partisan thing… it's a credibility thing, and all politicians should be called on it more often, not less. Otherwise, they will continue to say whatever they need to say to get or stay elected. Seriously, take your partisan blinders off for a few seconds and take stock of your guy. Be critical. Nobody, Conservative or Liberal, NDP or Green, gets a free pass.

          • kcm

            I believe Holinm would regard your example of McGuinty having to face the music too as being the exception that proves his rule.

          • gottabesaid

            convenient

    • Aberhart

      Excuse me, but what circumstances have changed?

      Canadian men and women are still being blown up for no cause. And we are still recapitulating the Americans' favourite lie in our public media on a daily basis about how they are dying so we can be free.

    • Thwim

      On the contrary.. I tend to think that if the government would admit it's mistakes, they'd be less likely to be repeatedly brought up.

      After all, until a mistake is admitted, you don't know if the person who made it understands it was a mistake. As such, we keep pounding on it in the hopes that sooner or later that understanding will become clear.

      If this government wasn't so cowardly about admitting fault, most of their errors would be water under the bridge. As an example, I bring up the national anthem issue. They tried it.. it wasn't what people liked, they came out and said, "We've heard the message, this isn't what people want.." and the issue died.

      • hollinm

        thwim…how generous of you. You are living in a dream world if you think that if a politician admits he made a mistake that his opponents would let him off the hook. I understand the need to show that a politician has said one thing and has done another. That's fine. However, to keep harping (no pun intended) on it takes away from a discussion about the change of course the politican has now taken.

        You guys who oppose Harper are talking about his mistakes, flip flops, lies whatever term you want to put on it. What is now being lost is the debate about what the change in course entails and is it good, bad or indifferent.

        Feel free to continue to talk about all of these things that don't matter a damn. Thats the whole problem. The opponents of the government and Harper keep focusing on style, tactics, process and strategies. Most Canadians could care less about these issues and that is why the Libs et al are not getting any traction.

        • gottabesaid

          Actually, except for those of us bellowing on the message boards, the media appear to be giving your guy the free pass on this one that you were looking for. We're not going to question the leader, we're gonna support the troops!

          BTW, it's one thing to talk about style, tactics, process and strategies. It's another to talk about a man's inability to stand true to the positions he's taken. It's about credibility. I don't care if the Liberals get traction. I'd appreciate it, though, if your guy starts stating positions with some thought and honesty rather than shifting with the political sands. Harper principled? My a**.

  • hollinm

    Dot……don't tell the Liberal sycophants on this board or they will begin tearing their hair out and yell promise breaker from the highest building.

    • LdKitchenersOwn

      Except, as I pointed out, while all those things were changing between 2008 and this week, the PM and various cabinet ministers were RE-MAKING the promise, over and over again. Each time more emphatically. To the point that it was COMICAL how far the Tories had moved themselves to the left of the Liberals, and damned near climbed in to bed with the NDP.

      And then, POOF!

      Which, as I said, wouldn't be so bad if it was the PM saying POOF! and not some unelected communications lackey.

    • SamDavies

      I can't be the only one amused by your telling PW to "grow up" later in this thread. But hey….

  • Orson Bean

    Interesting, informative & thoughtful post, PW. Thanks for that.

  • Olivier

    For me this kind of issue falls back on the old saying: in a democracy you get the government you deserve.

    Politicians make stupid promises because it helps them get elected and people believe them because they have absolutely no idea how government functions.

    The solution is education: educate people on how the government works and may, jusy maybe, in 50 years people won't believe that cutting taxes is as simple as not taking in as much money.

    • SamDavies

      A noble dream good sir…

  • CAPS

    An example of Mr. Wells at his best.

    The other major problem with regard to Canada's role in Afghanistan (whatever it is) is that there is no debate because there is no information with regard to the day-to-day realities that Canadian soldiers face. Without that crucial information Canadians cannot come to an informed position about what should come next for our troops.

  • Orson Bean

    I've never been a fan of Harper, and he's done a lot of things that you can easily criticize. Having said that, on the Afghan file, his behaviour has to be seen and judged within the context of a minority government. The politics of that file within the context of this minority parliament, plus the shifting nature of the conflict (e.g., Obama's troop surge), plus Harper's desire to survive politically, all have created incentives for Harper to be slippery and shifty — precisely what drives Wells nuts. Yes, per Wells' point, Harper could have said "maybe" instead of "yes" or "no", but politically he would have been attacked for being weak, dithery and equivocal. Wells Himself has noted Harper's remarkable powers of survival — this is but one example of that.

    • Mulletaur

      "Yes, per Wells' point, Harper could have said "maybe" instead of "yes" or "no", but politically he would have been attacked for being weak, dithery and equivocal."

      That's a good point. Better to look decisive until the point where you need to change course rather than look equivocal in the meantime. That's what makes it so hard for Iggy. He is conditioned to think like an academic, meaning every statement and idea is qualified, nothing is black and white and intellectual dishonesty is rejected. He is at a natural disadvantage to Harper, who is a politician through and through.

  • chet

    What hollimn said.

    Our media has reduced political discourse to petty sniping.

    You've got to go to the blogs with link rich cross referencing to back up points being made on the substance of matters to be fully informed.

    If what you want is "gotcha!!!" or "ah haaa, see, see I told you he's 'bad'" then the MSM is for you.

    • SamDavies

      I think you're slightly oversimplifying things.
      MSM has certainly played a role in damaging political discourse, but I would not go so far as to blame them alone.
      And while "the blogs" have helped provide information, they also are part of the problem.
      Now we have so many people shouting so many different things, it really is not easy to figure out which of these messages hold validity. For too many people, being "fully informed" means they follow various people that are shouting the same one sided message, which isn't really a balance. In many cases, blind partisanship makes them unable or unwilling to give any credit to the other sides of the dice…

      • chet

        the democratization of information has hardly become a "problem".

        For instance, but not for blogs, I would have no idea that there was a contra side to the "settled" issue of global warming, to name just one startling example.

        Damn those bloggers for daring to site real scientists, with real studies that cast into question computer driven models that are proven unable to predict the simplist of mechanisms, let alone little understood complex feedbacks with unknown variables affecting outcomes decades into the future!

      • chet

        that I, virtually every day,

        every day,

        come across information that I see as critical, and that I only see it from a blog, and not from the MSM,

        is enough for me to know the benefits.

        And enough for me to know that I am better suited to edit the information I need to know, than our information gatekeepers in the MSM.

        • SamDavies

          In other words, you wrap your head with tin foil, and you swallow hook line and sinker everything that supports your (possibly narrow) ideological point of view. And sorry – I just can't help shake off the feeling that your "democratization of information" is akin to the democracy that is involved with a mob armed with pitchforks and torches…

          • chet

            Except the one example I gave was the exact opposite, wasn't it.

            It was our media telling us there was absolutely no debate, no contra information, and I found ANOTHER SIDE on the blogs.

            Imagine that, two sides to that very big story.

            It's remarkable how many times I read about a story, and then go to blogs who link to the direct source where I can compare what actually happened or what was said, and see for myself the agenda driven slicing, dicing, omitting and editorializing.

            It's the media that seeks to have us all have their correctly fitting tinfoil hats atop of our heads.

            It seems as though you are quite comfortable with yours.

          • SamDavies

            Allow me to repeat myself, so you can possible grasp the strawman you are building:
            "MSM has certainly played a role in damaging political discourse, but I would not go so far as to blame them alone. And while "the blogs" have helped provide information, they also are part of the problem."

            I'm not trying to sell you the notion that MSM is the bomb.
            Why are you trying to sell me something that I don't disagree with?

            I simply think that in this day and age of information overload, it is difficult to figure out what is valid and what is not, unless you yourself actually have relevant expertise within a specific field. I think it is ignorant for anyone to believe that only the MSM has some sort of an agenda (ie MSM bad, my favourite bloggers good), when it is very clear that this is something that is a part of human nature.

    • NorthernPoV

      "You've got to go to the blogs with link rich cross referencing to back up points"

      ya chet – like send folks to a (broken) link to tiny-expired-rodents – that'll teach em!!!!!!

  • chet

    Or in the case of favourites, such as Obama circa 2007/8:

    "Wow!!" or "ah haaa, see, see I told you he's 'good'".

  • Mike T.

    Without an actual committment to keep their word, the language may change but the rhetoric won't. Harper never intended to let income trusts stay the way they were, Chretien may have been planning to abandon daycare and institute tax cuts from 1990 or so onward.

  • http://hro001.wordpress.com hro001

    "But what if the problem isn’t promise-breaking but promise-making itself?

    Aye, there's the rub – and probably the nub of the problem! I don't know what they're teaching in "Political Science 100" these days, but the one axiom I remember from the very first PolySci lecture I attended (many more years ago than I care to disclose!) was along the following lines:

    "The primary goal of a political party that is not in power is to get into power; the primary goal of a political party that is in power is to stay there".

    A truism to be sure – and far from profound! Some years ago (I think it was around Canada Day during the Meech "debates"), I was giving this some thought, and it occurred to me that perhaps what we need is a Parliamentary Integrity Quotient. (PIQ [pronounced "pick"] for short) for MPs (and MPPs) on all sides of all aisles.

    Perhaps the time has come for Macleans to take this on as a pilot project (similar to the University Rankings, or Top 50 Employers etc). – or it could give the Chief Electoral Officer something to do between elections. [continued in next post]

  • http://hro001.wordpress.com hro001

    PIQ [continued]

    Here's how I think it might work …

    1. All campaign promises are duly recorded in a database [PIQ_Master] for each elected person.

    2. When a campaign promise is broken (documentation always required of course), it is recorded in PIQ_Master.

    3. Three broken promises automatically results in the riding getting a PIQ-Fix (i.e. parliamentarian is fired, and by-election called)

    Any changes could be widely broadcast (e.g. running PIQ tally on Weather Channel … regional tallies etc)

    No, it won't stop "promise breaking", but eventually it might lead to more realistic "promise making".

    Such a concept – if implemented – would have the additional benefit of turning the tables on legislators attempting to change *our* behaviour via wasteful PR campaigns and other disincentives:-)

    I know, I know … the whole thing needs considerably more thought, but perhaps it's an idea worth considering!

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