The enrollment controversy*

Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada

by Stephanie Findlay and Nicholas Köhler on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:51am - 1,905 Comments
'Too Asian'

PHOTOGRAPH BY ANDREW TOLSON/ SIMON HAYTER


When Alexandra and her friend Rachel, both graduates of Toronto’s Havergal College, an all-girls private school, were deciding which university to go to, they didn’t even bother considering the University of Toronto. “The only people from our school who went to U of T were Asian,” explains Alexandra, a second-year student who looks like a girl from an Aritzia billboard. “All the white kids,” she says, “go to Queen’s, Western and McGill.”

Alexandra eventually chose the University of Western Ontario. Her younger brother, now a high school senior deciding where he’d like to go, will head “either east, west or to McGill”—unusual academic options, but in keeping with what he wants from his university experience. “East would suit him because it’s chill, out west he could be a ski bum,” says Alexandra, who explains her little brother wants to study hard, but is also looking for a good time—which rules out U of T, a school with an academic reputation that can be a bit of a killjoy.

Or, as Alexandra puts it—she asked that her real name not be used in this article, and broached the topic of race at universities hesitantly—a “reputation of being Asian.”

Discussing the role that race plays in the self-selecting communities that more and more characterize university campuses makes many people uncomfortable. Still, an “Asian” school has come to mean one that is so academically focused that some students feel they can no longer compete or have fun. Indeed, Rachel, Alexandra and her brother belong to a growing cohort of student that’s eschewing some big-name schools over perceptions that they’re “too Asian.” It’s a term being used in some U.S. academic circles to describe a phenomenon that’s become such a cause for concern to university admissions officers and high school guidance counsellors that several elite universities to the south have faced scandals in recent years over limiting Asian applicants and keeping the numbers of white students artificially high.

Although university administrators here are loath to discuss the issue, students talk about it all the time. “Too Asian” is not about racism, say students like Alexandra: many white students simply believe that competing with Asians—both Asian Canadians and international students—requires a sacrifice of time and freedom they’re not willing to make. They complain that they can’t compete for spots in the best schools and can’t party as much as they’d like (too bad for them, most will say). Asian kids, meanwhile, say they are resented for taking the spots of white kids. “At graduation a Canadian—i.e. ‘white’—mother told me that I’m the reason her son didn’t get a space in university and that all the immigrants in the country are taking up university spots,” says Frankie Mao, a 22-year-old arts student at the University of British Columbia. “I knew it was wrong, being generalized in this category,” says Mao, “but f–k, I worked hard for it.”

That Asian students work harder is a fact born out by hard data. They tend to be strivers, high achievers and single-minded in their approach to university. Stephen Hsu, a physics prof at the University of Oregon who has written about the often subtle forms of discrimination faced by Asian-American university applicants, describes them as doing “disproportionately well—they tend to have high SAT scores, good grades in high school, and a lot of them really want to go to top universities.” In Canada, say Canadian high school guidance counsellors, that means the top-tier post-secondary institutions with international profiles specializing in math, science and business: U of T, UBC and the University of Waterloo. White students, by contrast, are more likely to choose universities and build their school lives around social interaction, athletics and self-actualization—and, yes, alcohol. When the two styles collide, the result is separation rather than integration.

The dilemma is this: Canadian institutions operate as pure meritocracies when it comes to admissions, and admirably so. Privately, however, many in the education community worry that universities risk becoming too skewed one way, changing campus life—a debate that’s been more or less out in the open in the U.S. for years but remains muted here. And that puts Canadian universities in a quandary. If they openly address the issue of race they expose themselves to criticisms that they are profiling and committing an injustice. If they don’t, Canada’s universities, far from the cultural mosaics they’re supposed to be—oases of dialogue, mutual understanding and diversity—risk becoming places of many solitudes, deserts of non-communication. It’s a tough question to have to think about.

Asian-Canadian students are far more likely to talk about and assert their ethnic identities than white students. “I’m Asian,” says 21-year-old Susie Su, a third-year student at UBC’s Sauder School of Business. “I do have traditional Asian parents. I feel the pressure of finding a good job and raising a good family.” That pressure helps shape more than just the way Su handles study and school assignments; it shapes the way she interacts with her colleagues. “If I feel like it’s going to be an event where it’s all white people, I probably wouldn’t want to go,” she says. “There’s a lot of just drinking. It’s not that I don’t like white people. But you tend to hang out with people of the same race.”

Catherine Costigan, a psychology assistant prof at the University of Victoria, says it’s unsurprising that Asian students are segregated from “mainstream” campus life. She cites studies that show Chinese youth are bullied more than their non-Asian peers. As a so-called “model minority,” they are more frequently targeted because of being “too smart” and “teachers’ pets.” To counter peer ostracism and resentment, Costigan says Chinese students reaffirm their ethnicity.

The value of education has been drilled into Asian students by their parents, likely for cultural and socio-economic reasons. “It’s often described that Asians are the new Jews,” says Jon Reider, director of college counselling at San Francisco University High School and a former Stanford University admissions officer. “That in the face of discrimination, what you do is you study. And there’s a long tradition in Chinese culture, for example, going back to Confucius, of social mobility based on merit.”

*This article was originally titled “‘Too Asian’?” For our response to the controversy it has generated, click here.

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  • Renzhe Qi

    does Canada advocate the equity of human being? Just stop asking this kind of stupid question why there are so many asians in the university. When the univeristy was full of white guys 50 years ago, did anyone complain about the university was too "white". If you have a good grade, you can definitely get into any unversity you want to. However, if you suck, you just lose your opportunity. Listen, your skin is not gonna help you for no matter what you do. This is a competitve society. Winners survive, losers get eliminated.

    • Dedede

      Des Canada advocate the equity of human being?
      Yes, if you are white, then you are equal. Same as Nazi Germany, if you are German.

    • A.pl

      Unfortunately the winners now, who are the whites, get to redefine the rules. So what they do is to change the rules so that whites win and Asians lose. This has been done in the US with affirmative action.

      • Chesterfield

        With the rapid development of China, in 10 to 20 years' tiime there will be hardly any new immigrants or students from China anymore. This so-called "Asian problem" will be solved automatically just like the cessation of Japanese immigrants after WWII. The racial blame will then shift to another group.

  • eugene

    how do competitive students make school less fun for other students? personally, i'm after fun and the experiences that come with living in another city and exploring the social and cultural activities it has to offer but the competition of other students has no restriction on that.
    to say that competitive students (and asians in particular) make the student and campus life less appealing is a twisted and ill-formed P.C. way of saying "the university of 'x' isn't white enough"

    and i'm sure the people that can be described as 'aritzia' or 'aber crombie billboards' don't exactly help blur the lines of isolation and segregation between whites and asians. i can report for mcmaster that those lines are pretty clearly cut between them.

  • kim

    i graduated from the bishop strachan school, i'm white, and i go to u of t. what?
    and did this "alexandra" really say "all the white kids" .. i mean, havergal teaches their students to be better than that, no?
    bss was all about becoming the alpha girl and being a good citizen.

  • Colin

    Well I attend UBC and sometimes I swear to god I am in a different country. I play how long until I see a white person (can go hours). The disappointing part is very few are "Canadian" sure some may have the papers put they are new can barely speak english and in my opinion devalue the UBC "brand" what I mean is if you have graduates who can barely string together two sentences, how does this look for UBC grads when these people hit the job market… I would also like to add is UBC , U of T almost seem like welfare states for Chinese post secondary education. Canadian tax payers for a large part pay for these institutions shouldn't the positions goto Canadians? I know we receive "bonus" money from the foreign students but isn't it time for a reality check let's educate are own and make are own country strong do you think frikin CHINA IS GOING TO THROW ANY BONES TO US!

    • dededeisatool

      agreed!

    • Derp

      Please, you're embarassing the actual UBC students. Did you forget we have a language proficiency requirement to enter?

    • Chesterfield

      Another example of white-privilege talk.

    • Ethan

      Looks like UBC didn't enforce their English writing requirements.

    • Dedede

      Another one of those "Only White people are Canadians" speech.

  • Fred

    I would not consider Asians to be smart. They are good at rote memory (read Proust and the Squid to find out details why) summarized has to to with the fact that they did not make the final stage of cognitive development the creation of an alphabet so students spend first 5 years of their life memorizing symbols many contribute this to the lack of creativity in Chinese culture interesting that the Japanese do have an alphabet and the innovations associated wtih Japan are quite evident vs the Chinese that basically steal ideas…

    Interesting point a friend who is a professor at one of the Universities mentioned in this article has a very simple method to break this rote intelligence associated with this demographic. Ask questions on an exam that require logic or creativity they will bomb and everyone knows the key component of intelligence and genius is creativity and logic.

    • A.pl

      Funny, the universities obviously consider them to be smart, and whites write the same tests and exams.

    • Chesterfield

      Written Japanese language also uses Chinese characters. Japanese does not have a true alphabet, but two sets of phonemes called hiragana and katakana. Hiragana and Katakana together with Chinese characters (kanji) form the writing system of Japanese.

  • Chesterfield

    I do not understand what you are talking about either.

  • Frank

    the author is one pathetic loser.
    as far as i know, asian students generally work hard, but there are always native students with better grade. My highschool teacher, who graduated from U of T engineering, told me that in his class, the best ones are native, then asian, then trash who never even tried hard, including both some asian and native students.
    u can't blame ur own failure on those who work hard

  • X (Chung)

    Truly sad that Maclean’s and selected sources think of a university education in terms of race. Tell me this is not a representation of Canada’s brightest minds.

    Does Maclean's want to "compete" with Lakeshore?

  • Karnesy

    It looks like our western culture of pleasure and mediocrity is catching up with us and we are simply falling behind others who work harder, take any abuse thrown at them and use that as incentive to work harder. These Asian students don’t waste as much energy on trivial things and they focus on full self actualization through their lives instead of fun but sometimes unworthy pursuits. Instead of hurling abuse at each other we probably can learn from this. No? Listen I love western culture, western thought and the things we have brought the world, both good and bad but for awhile now haven’t any of you felt that parents have been taking it too easy on their kids? Giving them too much for not enough appreciation? I have always thought that parents and children spend too much time apart in western culture too, sometimes to the point that children have felt that their parents don’t really know them. In Asian families they seem closer more bound together and as a result their kids are a bit more stable and goal oriented. Anyone observe this? No? Maybe we can learn some nugget of truth from this rather than fear mongering, hate breeding and calling names. No? We have to remember too that they come from cultures that are VERY old have VERY long proud histories and we can’t assume they’ll send their kids here to kiss our asses. They pay twice what we pay for our universities why wouldn’t they work twice as hard?

    • Dedede

      Canadian mediocrity and a sense self-entitlement from white supremacy.

  • Dedede

    Louise Brown
    Education Reporter

    Note: This article incorrectly states that 72 per cent of Toronto’s Chinese-Canadian students apply to university compared to 42 per cent of those born in Canada. In fact, according to Toronto District School Board statistics, 72 per cent of Toronto students born in East Asia apply to university compared to 42 per cent of those born in Canada who speak English.

    Long admired for raising academic superstars, parents of Asian background are coming under fire from their own community for pushing their children into university programs for which many have no real interest or talent and often quit in distress.

    At a recent conference hosted by and for the GTA’s Asian community, Chinese-Canadian educators and professionals warned some 300 parents in Mandarin, Cantonese and English to stop giving their children no other choice than professional courses such as engineering, medicine, accounting or pharmacy — programs for which some are so ill-equipped and uninterested they drop out, fail, get suspended for cheating or suffer depression and acute anxiety.

    And this growing Asian presence on campus is sparking concerns about the cultural balance within Canada’s ivory tower, according to a report in Maclean’s magazine’s latest university rankings, to be released Wednesday.

  • MaggiesFarmboy

    2000 responses. Most of them expressing outrage and disappointment. Nice job Macleans!

    Tell the publisher what you think of this article, here:
    http://www.rogerspublishing.ca/about_us/contact.a…

    • Dedede

      A big chunk of racist white people have come out of the woodwork, too.

      This nightmare never ends; this is no different than what happened in 1979.

    • Allan

      Yes, this is really a shame, not just for the authors of this infamous article and Macleans, but also for all of us.

  • Dedede

    We need an opinion poll.

    1. How many white people agree with this article, how many disagree?
    2. How many non-white people agree with this article, how many disagree?

    • MaggiesFarmboy

      Many white people agree that the article is racist.

      It's also divisive. Let's not feed into that impulse. We are all Canadians here, regardless of race.

  • Anh

    “The kids were getting 98 per cent but they didn’t have other skills,” – this comment made me laugh.

    I'm Vietnamese-Canadian. My parents sacrificed and worked as janitors in Canada to put me through school. On top of getting 98% in highschool & A+ in university, I volunteered & worked 30 hours per week all through highschool & university. So don't tell me that smart kids have no other skills. That's how I've become a doctor and am taking care of thousands of patients of all ethnicities. None of my patients ever complain that I'm too Asian.

    Maclean's needs to publish a formal letter of apology to the Asian-Canadian community for publishing this racist article else your company can be sued for promoting public racial discrimination against Asian. I don't mind using 3 months of my salary to seek legal service against Maclean's for inciting racial discrimination.

    • A.pl

      If you want financial assistance to mount a legal action against Maclean's I would me more than happy to contribute.

  • Chesterfield

    They changed the title of this article from "Asians students being forced into university" because of the controversy it generated, and yet – this really makes me laugh – they forgot to the change the name of the webpage, which still has the old title! This shows how sloppy their work is. It is very typical of the quality of work in Canada.

  • Allan

    See what I've found, google cache still works:

    Author1 of article on MacLeans: Stephanie Findlay

    (Based on profile found http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/stephanie-findlay/a/9a… , now the profile is no longer available)

    She is a intern at Macleans! Surely a rising star in racist journalism!

    • Sophia

      Wow, you're quick! This has already been established many times throughout this forum. The author is completely entitled to her opinion,(which is that of many Canadians… maybe written somewhat poorly, but the issue she raises is a real one) you don't need to single her out and blame her.

      • X (Chung)

        Reporting is not about opinion. That's for editorial pieces or opinion pieces. This (i think) was supposed to be an impartial report.

      • MaggiesFarmboy

        And pray tell what is the "issue", exactly, Sophia?

      • kiddingme

        Hi, Nice to see you here, Stephanie, you are a celebrity now! :-)

  • Allan

    http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/stephanie-findlay/a/9a… , now the profile is no longer available.

    Stephanie Findlay

    Current Staff at The Ubyssey
    Past Intern at Maclean's magazine
    Education The University of British Columbia
    ——————————————————————————–

    Stephanie Findlay’s Experience
    Staff
    The Ubyssey
    (Privately Held; Newspapers industry)

    2007 — Present (3 years )

    Served as volunteer coordinator from 2007-2008.
    Was News Editor from 2008-2009.
    Staff member from 2009-2010.

    Intern
    Maclean's magazine
    (Media Production industry)

    May 2009 — August 2009 (4 months)

    Intern at Maclean's magazine

    ——————————————————————————–

    Stephanie Findlay’s Education
    The University of British Columbia
    Bachelor of Arts , Political Science , 2006 — 2010

    Activities and Societies: The Ubyssey, Journalists for Human Rights, Lawyers Rights Watch Canada, Women and Gender Studies Undergraduate Association, Journal of International Affairs

  • http://www.macleans-sucks.ca dave

    Why don't we have an alchol & party university, so all white kids that don't want to work hard can go there enjoy thier campus life, wouldn't that make everybody happier??

  • Concerned

    A question that Macleans can not answer:

    The article's sub-title is 'Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada'. Now, in the article we can see that obviously the university authorities dismissed the idea of the universities being 'too Asian'. Here you can find the quotes here

    {

    “This is a non-issue,” wrote U of T president David Naylor in an email. “We’ve never had a student complain about this. In fact, this is a false stereotype, as we know that Asian students are fully engaged in extracurricular activities. So the whole concept is false.”

    As Cheryl Misak, the U of T’s VP and provost, puts it: “We have a properly diverse mix, with no particular group extra prominent—we’re the rainbow nation and we’ve got every sort of student and everyone is on merit.” Waterloo president Feridun Hamdullahpur echoes a similar sentiment. “There is a great tendency in our society to learn more about other nations and other cultures,” he says. “Universities are the hotbed of these kind of activities. If you want to see more economic and political diversity, I think they star.”

    }

    Since the university authorities know more than anyone else about the issues on campus, and they have no concern over the problem of having these Asian students, my question is, where did you get the idea about 'Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada'? Who is thinking about this stuff? Who is talking about this?

    Before this article titled 'Too Asian' published on Macleans, I never heard of or read anything about this 'Too Asian' issue. Could you explain, where did the 'worries' came from?

    • Chesterfield

      If you read the article carefully, the authors said that the university's official view as "self denial".

      • Allan

        Now you see what is the problem? The authors are just playing God. No matter what the university officials say, they are still trying to say there's the 'issue'. Whom to trust?

        No wonder they come up with the subtitle, 'Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada'. I think they are just saying that they 'HOPE that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada'

  • Allan

    You are free to write to Macleans to express your opinions on this matter:

    letters@macleans.ca

  • Allan

    You are free to write to Macleans to express your opinions on this matter:

  • Allan

    Totally agree.

    I'd prefer a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer who knows what he/she is doing, rather than one who's better at drinking and partying.

    The purpose of this Maclean's article, 'Too Asian?', is to suggest giving free passes for white kids, rather than encouraging them to work their own way through to the universities. This is too dangerous.

  • X (Chung)

    Once upon a time universities didn’t allow anyone Asian – or anyone female to attend classes. You don’t have to look too far back in the university photos that adorn university walls.

    There are voices who still think there are too many Asians and even too many women. Does that make Maclean’s a forum to legitimate such voices?

    Let’s not forget that Marc Lépine thought there were too many women at his school and took the lives of l4 women students on December 6, 1989

    I’m not saying people who agree there are “too many” Asians in university would do something that psychotic. But otherwise what is the difference in thinking?

    Lépine was motivated by his contempt for a demographic group (women), and was angered over his rejection at École Polytechnique where he felt that demographic group (women) took spots from men.

    • Chesterfield

      Now that you mentioned Marc Lépine, it really sends shiver down my spine. Let's hope that no one will hate Asians that much to carry out something like that at our universities or other public places.

  • Chesterfield

    What about the Japanese?

  • X (Chung)

    If you're waiting for an apology of any kind, it might be a few more weeks. After calling Quebec the "most corrupt" province in Canada, Maclean's apologized just over a month later, but only to Carnaval de Québec for "using an image of the carnival’s snowman mascot to illustrate a story about corruption in Quebec."

    Maclean's seems to be very seasoned at faulty imaging.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/06/macleans-…

  • Janice

    until Maclean's apologizes and retracts, I am boycotting the magazine and its parent company, Rogers.

    Rogers owns The Shopping Channel too and I am not going to support them.

    If you are doing the same, let them know on their feedback or Contact Us section on why you are cancelling or boycotting

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