Merit: the best and only way to decide who gets into university

We find the trend toward race-based admissions policies in some U.S. schools to be deplorable

by macleans.ca on Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:30am - 624 Comments
Merit: the best and only way to decide who gets into university

Photograph by Colin O'Connor

Maclean’s annual University Rankings issue is our most popular and most discussed magazine of the year. The 2010 edition, released two weeks ago, was no exception. Alongside our comprehensive rankings of Canadian schools, we also tackled the biggest issues facing today’s university students. There were stories dealing with school stress, problem roommates, difficult school choices and sex. And when students told us race is becoming a conversation on Canadian campuses, we took a closer look at that as well.

Our reporters Stephanie Findlay and Nicholas Köhler spoke to university students, professors and administrators about campus racial balance and its implications. The resulting story was titled: ”‘Too Asian?’: a term used in the U.S. to talk about racial imbalance at Ivy League schools is now being whispered on Canadian campuses—by everyone but the students themselves, who speak out loud and clear.”

The article has generated a great deal of response, a representative sample of which is included in this week’s Letters (page six). Some of the comments we have seen on the Internet and in other media have suggested that by publishing this article, Maclean’s views Canadian universities as “Too Asian,” or that we hold a negative view of Asian students.

Nothing could be further from the truth. As our story relates, the phrase “Too Asian?” is a direct quote from the title of a panel discussion at the 2006 meeting of the National Association for College Admission Counseling where experts examined the growing tendency among U.S. university admission officers to view Asian applicants as a homogenous group. The evidence suggests some of the most prestigious schools in the U.S. have abandoned merit as the basis for admission for more racially significant—and racist—criteria.

We find the trend toward race-based admission policies in some American schools deplorable, as do many of our readers. Our article notes that Canadian universities select students regardless of race or creed. That, in our view, is the best and only acceptable approach: merit should be the sole criteria for entrance to higher education in Canada, and universities should always give preference to our best and brightest regardless of cultural background. This position was stated clearly in the article: “Canadian institutions operate as pure meritocracies when it comes to admissions, and admirably so,” reporters Findlay and Köhler wrote.

Through hard work, talent and ambition, Asian students have been highly successful in earning places in Canada’s institutions of higher learning. They, like all of our high achievers, deserve respect and admiration. Every one of them is a source of pride to their fellow Canadians.

One final note about the headline. Although the phrase “Too Asian?” was a question and, again, a quotation from an authoritative source, it upset many people. We expected that it would be provocative, but we did not intend to cause offence.

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  • X (Chung)
  • X (Chung)

    Is Japan “Too Asian” to aid or is it just contextual that someone is “Too Asian” – like in Canadian places of higher learning? Maclean’s reports on what little it knows.

  • X (Chung)

    "It most certainly was not good journalism, and do they really think by changing the headline and keeping the article as is, they're going to appease anyone?" ~ John Miller, former chair of the Ryerson School of Journalism.
    http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/Blog.php/shame-…

  • X (Chung)

    This article does one thing very well. It shows you don't really hang around people who are "Too Asian." And when you, it's to write why we're "Too Asian."

  • X (Chung)

    The real story at Maclean's is no Asians writing for Maclean's. "Too Asian"?

  • X (Chung)

    Why stop here? Aren't some Canadian neighborhoods "Too Asian"? Perhaps Maclean's can copy this New York Times project and show what neighborhoods are "Too Asian" http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/explorer You can even add the Sarah Palin cross-hairs if it pleases your agenda.

    That way people who have a problem with this can protest how their spot is being taken over by a foreigner (i.e. someone with a Canadian passport who looks "Too Asian") or alternatively live in another neighborhood away from "Too Asian" people.

    Why not keep history as it was – when people who looked "Too Asian" weren't allowed into Canadian universities, couldn't vote, couldn't live in every Canadian neighborhood and couldn't work for any old Canadian company like Maclean's.

  • X (Chung)

    The world's most "typical" person according to 10-yr National Geographic study is…."Too Asian"? http://designtaxi.com/news/34183/National-Geograp…

  • John

    "We expected that it would be provocative, but we did not intend to cause offence."

    If this statement is true, then Maclean's has no clue about the world it lives in. Provoking xenophobic flame-wars does not make a magazine relevant, and it does not "start important conversations." Please, Maclean's (and Margaret Wente and Barbara Kay): stop passing off your ignorance as a form of bravery! And it is cowardly to stick a question mark on the end of an inflammatory statement and claim that you are "merely asking questions." Take some responsibility and issue the apology owed to all Canadians!

  • X (Chung)

    I think the person who wore the KKK Halloween costume and won a prize from his peers also expected to be "provocative" and did "not intend to cause offence." He too said he was not "racist."

  • Guest

    The US situation is entirely different for historical reasons from that in Canada, so it might make sense for Maclean's to look more carefully at the US situation before drawing sweeping conclusions on the basis of little evidence.

  • X (Chung)

    Seems like a lot of people don't know the definition of racism.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

    –noun
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

  • David_Zhou

    What the author calls "meritocratic entry system" is really an admission process singularly focused on academic record. It is one thing to say that ALL applicants should be assessed against one common standard of excellence regardless of race, gender, religion etc, but it is quite another to say that academic performance reflects merit. The former defines the principle of meritocracy in the context of university admission, while the latter addresses the practical question of how to implement that principle. While I agree with the author that Canadian universities are “admirable” for holding fast to the principle of meritocracy, I have reservation about praising them for relying on grades as the sole yardstick for merit, as the author points out. It is the latter, not the former, that is really underlying cause of the demographic “problem” facing higher education.

  • Bob

    I'm a teacher at a Korean University. All I hear about is how entrance requirements for overseas students (Asians, among others) have been LOWERED at a few top West Coast US universities. Why? The almighty dollar! Those students pay far more in tuition costs, and the schools make more money having them.

    Honestly, based on what I know, I have no clue where the "limiting of Asian students" thing is coming from?? Is this an East-coast thing?

  • X (Chung)

    Article on the Criminal Code for Hate Crimes -

    "Section 319 deals with publicly stirring up or inciting hatred against an identifiable group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/hatecrimes/

  • David_Zhou

    Yes, Asians (I am one) work hard to earn high grades. Does that make us all inherently fun-hating, boring, anti-social, masochists? Give me a break! The causation, as I see it, runs from universities’ high bar of academic excellence to Asian students’ work ethics and competitiveness, rather than the other way around. When Asians stand out from competition to take the hard-earned spots in top universities, what else can anyone say about them than “They played by the rules”? My point is that, the “too Asian” phenomenon is largely the result of Asian students’ ability to meet the criteria of excellence used in university admissions.

  • X (Chung)

    Perhaps Rosa Parks was seen as "Too Black?" when she refused to leave her spot so someone not "Too Black?" could have it.

  • http://www.capilanocourier.com Sarah Vitet

    1. To NOT address race is much more racist than to address it. It is still a factor, a topic, and a valid and vital issue to discuss. Anyone who read the headline and assumed that was the conclusion of the article is wasting everyone's time.

    2. Letting people into university based solely on merit is discriminatory to poor people. Wealthier students have more time to study rather than work, more resources such as tutors at their disposal, and are more likely to have parents who have time to help them. All students should have the opportunity to go to post secondary, regardless of their merit, race, gender, sexual orientation or anything. Merit is just a measurement of how much time you had to devote to your studies, and how well your brain learns from the traditional system. Not everyone who doesn't study enough to get amazing grades is a binge drinker. Some people have to work to pay their own tuition, food and rent. How about an article showing the disproportionate amount of privileged students at university, and why there are so few First Nations students.

    3. It would have been nice to explore WHY Asian students do better. The article mentioned that their parents had to go through extensive immigration processes, does that ensure that the parents of these students are educated enough to help their children with their school work? Most adult Canadian parents are not educated enough to help their children once they get passed grade 9. Curriculum's change, teaching methods change, and most information learned at school isn't applicable to real life, and is easily forgotten. Perhaps this is an important factor?

  • X (Chung)

    Arguing that a headline doesn't indicate what a story means is a bit of contradiction – that readers should not be expected to get..

  • Stephen Wong

    I’m Asian and I went to the University of Waterloo. And yes, I’ve heard white students said the school had too many ‘chinks’. But was the article racist? No. The title, “Too Asian?” was a bad choice giving rise to misunderstandings. Stephanie Findlay and Nicholas Köhler were simply reporting what was happening. And what they were reporting was racism.

    Anomalies exist in society and the university situation is just one. I’ll give you a few more. Asians and other visible minorities are underrepresented in the media, entertainment, the upper echelons of the corporate world and in politics. Don’t kill the messenger (Macleans). Here’s the truth, the chance of any young Asian male rising to the status of a top movie star is close to zero, and we Asian males all know it. We also know we probably will NEVER be the Prime Minster in our life times. When was the last time you read in the business section about a Chinese CEO of a major Canadian corporation? And I’m sure white people have the same estimates. And this is Canada in the 21st century. Now, I’m not a defeatist. I’m a civil rights advocate. But the truth is the truth. Yet, this is not balanced by the two reporters. They do not seem to understand that university is one of the few avenues for Asians and other visible minorities with which to excel.

    And yes, girls and guys also consider meeting friends and future partners at university. And the reporters were too generous when they explained some of the white students’ reasons for not picking the U of T or Waterloo. In their own words, they preferred not to make friends with Asians for this reason and that reason. So the problem was not with the Canadians who happened to be Asians. The problem is with the interviewees and how they see these Canadians through their own eyes. That’s the truth. Still, that’s not Macleans fault.

    ~ Stephen Wong

  • Kenneth

    i don't know what you read, but even excluding the interviewees statements, there were still many parts of that article that stereotyped Asians. It seemed to me that they weren't "reporting what was happening" but instead trying to build on the stereotypical views of a few interviewees, without any other support. Also, when they quoted someone like David Naylor, the U of T president, making the obvious point that they were making a false stereotype, they merely wrote him off by saying he was in a state of denial. It was as if the writers had the impression that they had "proven" the stereotypes to be true. So I definitely see racism in the article, and not because they were just reporting on it.

  • X (Chung)

    Once again – what do you define as "racist." In 1979, W-Five called its broadcast Campus Giveaway "racist." This story is not too different from the W-Five story. This article certainly questions Asians – "Too Asian?" And it also certainly labels "Asians" uniformly as one kind of person – be you Canadian or from China. It also certainly carries sentiments that some schools have "too" many Asians.

  • eeeeeeeeeelllllllll

    you are an idiot.

    learn to read.

  • editette

    foreign students want to attend..ok. charge the hell out of them. wherever the hell they come from, charge them big time. that is what happens in all universities all over the world.

  • Stephen Wong

    RE: Defamation:

    Dear X(Chung):

    A lie reported in the media about a community can definitely be litigated on behalf of that community. Often by a rights group such as the NAACP and the ACLU as a class-action lawsuit. It is no different than any other tort (for civil damages). Without a clear defendant, a defamation lawsuit can still be brought against a publication. Example: XYZ News said that African Canadians in a town are poisoning the wells. The NAACP can bring a class-action lawsuit against XYZ News on behalf of the African Canadian community (of that town).

    But in essence you’re actually weakens your own argument. Who in those photos can the Chinese Canadian National Council sue Macleans for defamation on his/her behalf if what you say has any merit? Is showing a person holding a flag actionable? NO. If under the photo the caption reads, “Mr. So and So is a member of the Chinese Communist Party,” and in fact this is not the case, then the CCNC can sue Macleans on Mr. So and So’s behalf; or Mr. So and So can also sue Macleans on his own.

    I think you’re just upset that some whites simply dislike us for being Asians. And you’re focusing all your anger on Macleans. They deserve some criticism, but it is the society that has a problem with Asians in our universities. I honestly believe these writers wanted to really get the readers’ attention by sensationalizing their own story a bit – and it backfired. To be honest with you, except for this “Alexandra”, it’s difficult to conclusively know what the writer’s true feelings are on the matter. They have made contradictory statements. As I’ve said, any racism on their part is likely subconscious.

    Instead of ranting and raving, just quote ANY passage in the article which is a LIE and prove it – as I’ve requested before.

    ~ Stephen Wong

  • X (Chung)

    You are confusing defendant with plaintiff. The defendant is clear (e.g. specific publication). I am saying the plaintiff cannot be a "community" for a slander/libel case specifically. A community is not a legal entity.

    You still have not referenced an actual case where a "community" is a plaintiff.

    For every class-action lawsuit that i see – I've never seen a libel/slander case structured as such. There's always a person/corporation as a plaintiff.

    And in class action law suits, there's a very clear bundling of specific individual cases – vs being a sum of everyone in the community. You have to prove individual damages – a person has to be involved and affected specifically.

    The CCNC cannot sue people for defamation if the CCNC itself was not defamed. Only the people in the article can sue for libel/defamation if there's a case.

    I have never argued for a slander/libel lawsuit, so i'm not sure which argument you are referencing.

  • X (Chung)

    I am not angry at any race. My daughter is Scottish, so don't make presumptions. I have also worked with people at Maclean's so don't presume anything beyond holding journalism standards and accountability.

  • X (Chung)

    I have already proven the factual errors – there's no such thing as race based admissions. The UBC history professor i referenced wrote an entire column on that in the Georgia Straight. He even called it an "outright lie" and "fantasy" to claim it. The opposite is in fact more accurate. Ivy league schools are aggressively recruiting bright students (including Asians).

  • X (Chung)

    Maclean's is without question responsible for:

    - Headline questioning Asians at university
    - having no Canadian university source to back their claim of race-based admissions
    - anonymous sources (who might even be fictitious) not liking schools that are "too Asian?.
    - sources quoted out of context (e.g. Nikki Best)
    - claiming Asians are not participating in non-academic academic activities
    - not distinguishing Chinese who are foreigners from those who are Canadian

    UofT, by the way, has people of all kinds…Asians do not dominate UofT. There are also many Asians at Queen's.

    They used absolutely no valid data.

  • Stephen Wong

    Sorry: Correction, “defendant’ should be “plaintiff”above.

  • X (Chung)

    All Asians are also not the same – that's incorrect too.There are plenty of Asians in extra-curricular activities – on student council, in editorial and on campus radio….there are many Asians in student clubs. To say otherwise is a lie. My brother has a database of 10,000 Asian university students volunteering for charity in Toronto alone. I personally know many Asians in editorial, radio, and politics…

    There are also plenty of Asian athletes. Just go to any campus rec sports event.

    You will be living in a bubble if you think there are not thousands of Asians participating on non-academic activities on campus.

  • X (Chung)

    There are three people in my family who've worked at universities for decades across Canada. I've personally known deans and presidents….and i have never witnessed any talk of race-based admissions. None.

  • X (Chung)

    Even in theory, race based admissions is impossible. You would need to get every candidate to enter their race…with many students being mixed.

  • X (Chung)

    I also have a friend who hires faculty and reviews admissions at McGill – no such thing as race based admissions.

  • X (Chung)

    The question of "Too Asian?" stirs up questions about a race at university.

  • X (Chung)

    I'm not one to really call anyone "racist" (what can be achieved by that?) but if someone knows the English dictionary better than I, why is this story not "racist"? This dictionary definition seems to be in the ballpark of what this story is about. And why is this story different than the W-5 Campus Giveaway story (which W-5 agreed was "racist")?

  • X (Chung)

    Allan Fotheringham, one of Maclean’s brightest stars ever, once called Stephanie Findlay’s college paper The Ubyssey the “best journalism school in Canada.” If you do actually research still, see Maclean’s (December, 1988).

    He backed up his comment with some of the greatest columns Canada has ever seen – he owned Maclean’s back page for 27 years. He wrote of Wreck Beach like no other writer at the University of British Columbia. Not since poet Earle Birney anyways. This article tarnishes a reputation built by every great story ever written at Maclean’s (and The Ubyssey). It legitimates Conrad Black’s assertion that journalists are "ignorant, lazy, opinionated, intellectually dishonest and inadequately supervised hacks."

    Your headline changed at least 3 times to get it straight. You have no sources (named, credible and Canadian) to back your headline. You have no accurate university data – yet complete stats are available (wrt foreign students). You have no substantiated hard facts. Where are the goods? You have no story (your piece is mostly made up).

  • Stephen Wong

    X(Ching)

    I think the person who is digressing is you. The issue here is about Macleans’ article, not tort, which you brought up when I brought up the point that Macleans can only be culpable if lies or slanderous errors were published and they therefore are unlikely to apologize.

    But I’ll amuse you nonetheless. First I’ve never said that there were any Canadian cases on racial bias. But this does not mean there weren’t any. The erosion of Aboriginal rights was one. The internment of Japanese Canadians in concentration camps during WWII is another – and was upheld by the BC Supreme Court in 1945. The Chinese Exclusion Act is something you should know about, and upheld by the earlier courts. Recently, Afro-centric schools in Toronto, in my opinion, is a problem, because it’s funded by tax dollars. However, precedence was set by the public funding of Catholic schools in Ontario, but no funding is allowed for Islamic schools or any other faith. I can go on and on. You don’t have to go far to expect that certain universities in the past and perhaps in the present has a unspoken ceiling for Asians. Why do you think the “interview process” is so important in some admission requirements for certain disciplines in universities?

    In terms of slander: You said you were familiar with the law. Then you should know that cases do not only follow precedence. Currently, a special interest group in California has taken upon itself to represent the whole state to depend Proposition 8 (Gay Marriage Ban) in the 9th Circuit when the state refused to appeal after it was struck down in a lower court. No one knows if this group has any standing. That is an example of setting precedence – either way. Personally, I think they do not have standing (a point for you). But who knows? The 9th Circuit will render their decision very soon on whether they could even be the plaintiff, perhaps in weeks rather than months.

    Back to my opinion on slander. It is an unusual situation for entire groups to be slandered. But tort can and must cover it for the entire group or community when an offence has occurred. I’ll give you another example. A publication reports that every employee of a particular hospital has HIV. This is actionable under a class action lawsuit. A report that every teacher in a high school is a pedophile would also go under a class-action lawsuit under slander. To say that the victims in my examples above (including my XYX News) must file hundreds of separate and individual lawsuits betrays your ignorance of legal principles.

    Because I’m doing this song and dance for you here because of your fetish with slander, I don’t have time to comment on American Affirmative Action, upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. As the Macleans article reports, such arguments are NOT untenable in Canada (Afro-centric school example above) and may in fact squeeze Asian students in Canada from both the right and left political fronts.

    Please remind me to comment on this tomorrow, because it goes directly to this “Too Asian?” article. I don’t digress.

    ~ Stephen Wong

  • X (Chung)

    My brother was President of a cause that had 10,000+ Asian university students participating in Toronto alone. A friend works as CEO in Vancouver for a charity that has has 200,000 Chinese clients. He too can attest there are many Asian university students participating on non-academic activities. I personally knew 25+ Asian university students in editorial, politics or radio. For Stephanie Findlay’s own college paper, I once wrote a story about 3000 Asian students in university student clubs at UBC. This is why I know Maclean’s is making up stories or has a serious failure to recognize what Asian students socially do.

  • X (Chung)

    I might have lost count over how many times Maclean's headline (incl subtitle) changed…it definitely had 3 versions. The current headline might still change. Is it fictional?:

    "The enrollment controversy*
    Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada"

    Who's worries? Who's efforts (fact check)? The lead sources seem very anonymous and by quoting them, Maclean's reports not ONE "white" person from Havergal College in Toronto goes to the University of Toronto.

    This "Alexandra" from Havergal College does go to U of T:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Orlando

  • X (Chung)

    Merit vs who one prefers to recognize is a key defining factor for racism –if you believe what a dictionary defines.

    Do people recognize merit more often or who they prefer?

    Have people recognized who they prefer so often – they no longer have the tools to even recognize merit?

  • X (Chung)

    The story only chooses to recognize what it does but where is the merit?

    Where is the credible local university source (named) to back the university "controversy" headline? Who has the "worries" – only the anonymous? Which admissions department has the "controversy"?

  • X (Chung)

    Many people recognize who they are more often in others.

    For those who question if people are “Too Asian?” – do you question only because you like to single out people who are different than you?

    Is it really fair to question the merit of someone just because the person is different than you? Is it fair only to recognize the merit of who you prefer (people who are like you)?

    If you do this based on race – that's exactly how racism is defined in the dictionary.

  • X (Chung)

    When Ming Na Wen became one of the first Asian actresses to really grace the Hollywood screen (Joy Luck Club, ER, Mulan…), her boyfriend then (now husband) told me there’s no roles for Asian men outside of being an Asian criminal.

    Sadly, 13 years later, I asked an Asian actor what roles he got to audition for in Vancouver. Not much had changed – he auditioned for criminal roles. He worked as a bar back to pay his bills.

    It’s very typical of media and entertainment to typecast Asians…and this story is an excellent example of it. This is your projection. This is the Canada you have created for anyone Asian.

  • X (Chung)

    50+ readers demand apology from Editor Mark Stevenson:
    http://immigration.change.org/petitions/view/tell…

  • X (Chung)

    Flash Mob enters major Rogers store with "Too Asian for Rogers" signs
    http://tinyurl.com/32qrc5g

  • X (Chung)

    video clip about human rights complaints vs Maclean's (Dec 9, 2010) http://tinyurl.com/24ady2r

  • X (Chung)

    "Asian" man who paid head tax – for being Asian in Canada – boycotts Rogers and Maclean's:
    http://tinyurl.com/2eaoek7

    Here he is with Prime Minister Stephen Harper:
    http://www.mhso.ca/tiesthatbind/JamesPon.php

  • X (Chung)

    Spoof on Maclean's 4 headines for this story (yes you read that right) and quotable reactions:

    “Racist”
    Some readers think Maclean’s doesn’t want to see an ‘Asian’ as `Canadian’

    “Racist”?
    A term used in Canada to talk about racial imbalance in Maclean’s story is now being whispered on Canadian campuses

    “Racist”?
    Readers are worried. Is US story distributed across Canada by Maclean’s about limiting enrollment of Asian students in top Canadian universities?

    The enrollment controversy*
    Readers are worried. Is US story distributed across Canada by Maclean’s about limiting enrollment of Asian students in top Canadian universities?

  • X (Chung)

    “Fair comment”? These were the 4 original Maclean's headlines for this story. The original printed headline can’t be changed.

    `Too Asian’
    Some frosh don’t want to study at an ‘Asian’ university.

    ‘Too Asian'?
    A term used in the U.S. to talk about racial imbalance at Ivy league schools is now being whispered on Canadian campuses

    ‘Too Asian'?
    Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada.

    The enrollment controversy*
    Worries that efforts in the U.S. to limit enrollment of Asian students in top universities may migrate to Canada.

  • X (Chung)

    Maclean's is trying to make us forget what Maclean's originally wrote.

  • X (Chung)

    When you're "Too Asian" or "Too Black" you start to notice stories like:
    http://gothamist.com/2011/01/10/lesson_dont_leave…

  • michelle

    The people you mention do not study 24 hours a day, where the hack did you get this information from? When you speak of these people I can tell you they have lives too. We are not some kind of robots, programme to study and do home work all day . You can call me "second generation" Canadian like you mention, but I was born here and raise here. But buddy let me tell you this we asia people are well "rounded" too. They are involve in school, community, life and at home. I study for good grades my parent don't even care there too busy with there own programme to be involve with me. I barely see them in a month. I like to be involve in school, home and in life knowing, learning and gaining experience in a life time. Plus your son or daughter have time to watch TV, playing i pod, i pad, cell phone then they should have time to study. They can study a bit before school or after school lunch break, spare time, weekend or any available time correct. Plus once you can get into University you still need to study and work hard because life is not that easy. You are living in the 21 century life is getting harder i think you should know if you ever watch youtube you should know how much knowledge do they have " American are stupid arrogance stereotype" They tell you how much knowledge do they have. I know there are stupid people everywhere but they should know basic thing like how many side to a triangle or who is there president or about the 911 incident. Do you think or in your opinion do they deserve to go to university can they ever succeed? I am a social butterfly at school i am quite popular with any people. I have friend from different school and talk to lot of people every day. I don't understand why the white blond girl are so dull wilted and not very smart. They don't do so well in school. Do you think they should go to university?Make sure you don't type something up that a a 14 years old girl can tell you. If you truly went to university then you should be smatter then me not the other way around correct.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIZCGVWVFK5Q6ORR432Y77ECP4 Ethereal

    How about challenging your “own kids” to pushing themselves to match the new standard? It’s idiotic to blame asians for working hard. It’s viewing something negatively that shouldn’t be viewed negatively at all.

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