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Kevin Sorenson Maverick Watch

by Aaron Wherry on Friday, November 26, 2010 11:52am - 21 Comments

A Conservative manages to discuss a piece of legislation related to the justice system without either claiming total righteousness or depicting the opposition parties as unholy.

The Conservative chairman of the Commons public safety committee says a proposed law that would bar thousands of Canadians from ever applying for a criminal records pardon may have to be amended … The minister has said we’ll have to look at this,” Sorenson said this week. “There can be amendments.”

After impugning Liberal Mark Holland earlier this week, the Public Safety Minister went after the NDP’s Don Davies yesterday (Mr. Davies, like Mr. Holland, felt it necessary to correct the record). For sheer bloody-minded obsessiveness though, Mr. Toews topped himself this week during an interview with Steve Paikin, in which, when questioned about the current difference in crime policy between the Liberal opposition and the Conservative government, referred, while mispronouncing the man’s name, to comments made by solicitor general Jean-Pierre Goyer in 1971. Mr. Toews was 19 years old when those remarks were uttered. The Liberal party’s current public safety critic, Mr. Holland, wasn’t even born at the time.

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  • Patchouli

    I cannot for the life of me get over the fact that Toews isn't an octogenerian. Dude, you look OLD.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

    Righteousness has a long, selective memory.

    • Mike T.

      Toews' gets off very lightly ever time he says "moral issue" and the interviewer doesn't jump him.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

        What is the point of taking off the kid gloves? Most politicians have mastered speaking of morals in an extremely vague yet polarized fashion.

        "Canadian morals and values say that violating the rights of others is categorically wrong. Why the Liberals are against punishing those who violate the rights of others is beyond me. I think the fact that the Liberals are willing to denigrate efforts to support the rights of Canadians with their 'hug-a-thug' rhetoric is dangerous, divisive and irresponsible." ~ me, making up a righteous quote

        How do you counter that in 10 words or less? Morals are a nuanced discussion… our politics are not nuanced.

        • Mike T.

          Toews lost any right to be treated fairly when he came to what should have been an intelligent discussion with a load of sanctimonious crap.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ottawa_Centrist Ottawa_Centrist

            One's sanctimonious crap is another's blissful playpen.

  • Emily

    Cons can sure hold a grudge.

  • Mike T.

    Sadly, the only honest moment in that Toew's interview is when he is decent enough to admit the quote is from 40 years ago.

    • Mike T.

      And points for saying "it's excellent policy" with a straight face.

      • John.K

        The moustache helps …

  • MostlyCivil

    Well, at least now we have a better idea what all those elves hired at the PMO have been doing.

    "Okay, fellas, I don't care if you have to go back to Borden, I want dirt!"

  • Mike T.

    A question I would like to ask Toews:

    How are "victims' rights" different from society's interest in deterring and punishing crime?

    Where the two differ, which should be paramount?

    If there is no difference, why do you continually focus on victims' rights?

  • gottabesaid

    It's funny how all the Conservative commenters on this board blasted Mark Holland over the last few days. Hopefully they'll call out their own guy for being a pin-headed partisan. If there's a top-10 list of worst cabinet ministers in the current government, he's definitely in the top three. When you want to know what's wrong with the Conservative government, look at guys like Vic Toews. He offers nothing in the way of civil debate.

  • Mike T.

    The Minister may personally wish to note that at the time of the quote above, committing adultery in a home where a child was present was punishable under the Criminal Code.

  • CAPS

    I have to say Aaron, that while I really dislike Vic Toews, after momentarily slipping up he actually pronounces Jean-Paul Goyer correctly. Now, the fact that the man's name is actually Jean-Pierre Goyer is another matter.

    • CAPS

      The money shots from the interview on The Agenda are:

      "This is a moral, value issue."

      As opposed to say, having a child with your mistress that leads to your divorce after 32 years of marriage?

      "Excellent policy makes good politics."

      Here of course he is channeling his inner Stéphane Dion who said, "Good policy makes good politics." Unfortunately for him (and the country it turned out) he said, "Gooood policee makes goood poleeteecs."

      And here's the kicker:

      "We don't have to worry about the unelected Senators now impeding the will of the House of Commons."

      As opposed to the Conservative dominated unelected Senate killing a Climate Change bill that was passsed by the House.

      I also notice that he is joining Shelly and the Stock in trying to propogate the "unreported"crime meme.

      One last gem:

      "Canadians don't care that the rate of crime is going down."

  • BGLong

    Geez, we now gonna have to brush up on the Code of Hammurabi ??

    • Sigh

      That might not be such a bad idea.

      First Law of Hammurabi:

      "If any one ensnare another, putting a ban upon him, but he cannot prove it, then he that ensnared him shall be put to death."

      • BGLong

        Well, a tad extreme … but something to consider.

        • Sigh

          They didn't deal in half measures in Hammurabi's day. But I'm sure we can adapt it to modern times.

  • Amateur Hour

    From last month: Toews dismissed reports from Statistics Canada that the crime rate is falling. In July, the statistical agency reported that "both the volume and severity of police-reported crime fell in 2009," three per cent from 2008 and 17 per cent from 1999. "The crime isn't going down," Toews insisted. "It is still unacceptably high. Canadians should not be subjected to that kind of crime rate."

    Vic Toews can't stop lying. And he's our Public Safety Minister.

    Election, please.

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