Beyond The Commons

Beyond The Commons

Aaron Wherry covers all the goings-on in and around Parliament Hill. Follow Aaron on Twitter: @aaronwherry

The perfect Harper Conservative

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, December 6, 2010 1:58pm - 64 Comments

Behold, the quotable Julian Fantino. He is humble, but he claims the right road; he is tough, but he is a victim; he is unafraid, but he laments anyone who would question his moral authority. He is a folksy, tough-talking, passive-aggressive self-described underdog team player who refers to himself in the third person. And he offends Liberal sensibilities.

To wit.

The Prime Minister knows who I am. He knows about my long and distinguished public service. He knows what my strengths and weaknesses might be and he knows where I can best be utilized to provide support as a team player in the Harper government. So whatever happens, happens. I have to put it in perspective, coming to this country as a young boy and not being able to speak the language and having served the apprenticeship of becoming a Canadian citizen and evolving into leading police organizations and now as a member of parliament in this great country of ours, it’s pretty daunting and very rewarding. It’s also very humbling.

I think they [the Liberals] intended to hurt my campaign. The things they said … a lot of them were absolute lies. They keep repeating [them]. I call it the Hitler Theory. You tell a lie often enough you hope that some people will believe it. I’ve been as many as 21 days in the witness box in court, being cross-examined by the best lawyers in town. There is no peek-a-boo. … It was a character assassination.

Obviously there’s a lot of labelling going on. I’ve been labelled controversial. Well, you tell me how you can do a police chief’s job, or be the commissioner of the OPP with a huge, huge organization and multiple different levels of relationships with local councils, provincial political people, internal unions and personnel issues and the crime and the courts and not be controversial to some people. I detest this quick-fix labelling stuff that goes on when people just don’t understand the complexities of the job. Why should I be trying to please everyone? I just set out everyday to fulfill my oath of office, to do the right things for the right reasons. It was never meant to be a popularity contest, nor was I ever in a position where I co-opted myself, my duties and responsibility, just to be pleasing to everybody. You tell me how anybody in leadership today can not be controversial? How can you be a man-for-all-seasons with the issues that we’ve had to deal with, that I’ve had to deal with?

(Sorbara) can be all the negative person he wants. I’m going to be very positive.

I mean these are serious, serious issues and I found it quite distressing really that Justin Trudeau would be trotted out to misrepresent what I said and take it out of context. It was an Academy Award performance. You know what, here’s me with 42 years of working night shifts and facing people with loaded guns and dealing with murderers and rapists … and I get a lecture from a newbie. C’mon.

It was undoubtedly a very tough campaign and, I must tell the truth, many things disturbed me. I also know, however, that these things happen – they have to be dealt with and overcome — this is a democracy. I have no regrets about this campaign and the verdict of the people repays the odd delusion and attack that I felt was unjustified. But, as I said, in the heat of the campaign, that should be expected – it’s part of the game and one must always look ahead.

As for toeing the line, I’m a team player. I always have been. Again, that’s an other one of those things. The labelling, I guess for some people, is a way to describe honour, duty, responsibility, 42 years of committed, loyal, dedicated public service. And then you get a label. People have never been exposed to what I’ve done to the extent that I’ve experienced it: night shifts, complex cases, complex issues, victims issues, the rawness of crime and what it does to people. So I make no apologies for who I am and what I’ve stood for and what I stand for.

I’m going to be very committed to representing the people of Vaughan — and the beauty of this election is that the people of Vaughan elected someone who can actually sit at the table as opposed to warming up the benches on the side opposite.

I’m a getting-it-done kind of guy. I’m not a graduate of the school of it-can’t-be-done.

I’m always the same person, I’m always the Julian Fantino who continues in his activity at the service of the community, even if from a different position.

I am driven by three things: I know who I am; I know what I’m here to do and I know who I’m here to serve. All this other stuff is just noise, distraction and I am not going to be distracted by what I have to do and what the people of Vaughan have entrusted me to do. They can play their silly games all they want but, you know, sticks and stones …

Bookmark and Share
  • Emily

    LOL only one you missed is that he's a leader, but a team player.

    Or an…ahem…man-for-all-seasons…even though he's not.

    • Jan

      More like a man for all reasons. And modest, God he's modest.

      • Patchouli Blessings

        And surprisingly vulnerable and sensitive to criticism. Should be interesting to see him get to work. He may turn out to be steve harper's worst nightmare (well after Rahim and Helena, that is).

  • John D

    I detest this quick-fix labelling stuff… I’m going to be very positive….

    I call it the Hitler Theory…

    Ah, internal consistency.

    • Mike T.

      The Hitler Theory makes no sense. Hitler WAS a bad person, it's not that people kept saying bad things about him. If the idea is that people repeat bad things until they gain some traction, it needs a new name.

      Unless, does Fantino think Hitler was just misunderstood? Do tell…

      • NorthernPoV

        methinks he is equating his opponents (ie CDN Liberals) with Hitler and the Nazi party.
        He equates the criticism he is getting (for playing hide-and-seek games with the electorate) with the BIG LIEs told to defame scapegoats of the Nazis.

        beyond confused … just plain dumb

        Given the continuously increasing power Fantino was given, we now know why policing in Canada sucks.

      • Sigh

        I think what he was trying to refer to was the Goebbels quote:

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

        He seems to be unaware of the source of the quote, or of the rest of it:

        "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

        • Mike T.

          That seems perfectly reasonable – but then why not say "it's like Hitler's big Lie", not "I call it the Hitler Theory?"

          • Sigh

            If you read what Fantino said, it is apparent that he doesn't know much about the "big lie" quote or it's circumstances, apart from the fact that it was associated with Hitler and had something to do with lies.

          • catherine

            I think you are right. It's as if someone gave Fantino some talking points, but he didn't understand them.

          • Halo_Override

            That would require his understanding the topic he was discussing. You with your cruel expectations.

  • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

    How will such principled, moral man, so despising quick fixes. misrepresentation, slurs and labels, survive in Question Period? How will he even thrive in the Conservative Party of Canada?

  • Fercan Developments

    I find that those that talk the toughest on any issue, whether it be sexual orientation or crime, are usually hiding something. The truth will bear out. I'm just glad that he is now elected, since he has been campaigning on the public dime for years and it would have been a shame to see all that tax money go to waste. Cops should be seen and not heard. Good cops are like this. Bad cops… well, they talk a lot.

  • Rosten Investments

    It's interesting that these guys were only picked up after Julie retired. Funny that.
    http://www.barriemeansbusiness.com/index.php?topi…

    • Jenn_

      Wow, that has been a long time coming. Kids these days. . . apparently it's been so long these kids are in their 50s!

  • Leo

    "a-man-for-all-seasons" Is he trying to emulate Sir Thomas Moore? That ended rather badly, lol.

    • Patchouli Blessings

      Well, More is still, hundreds of years later, considered to be a martyr for his cause. Let's see if Julie's made of the same stuff. Fall on that sword, Julie!

  • Mike T.

    I am utterly amazed that's a direct quote. Usually you could find such brazen contradictions if you cobbled together from several sources, but to say all that at once requires a studied disdain for the listener or complete incomprehension of what you're actually saying.

    It's the sort of thing (among others) I wish we held politicians to account for.

    • John.K

      Studied disdain and complete incomprehension are not incompatible. I believe Fantino has shown that on more than one ocassion.

  • tobyornotoby

    When will we ever find enough narcissists to be our humble servants in the House of Commons?

  • http://twitter.com/ottawasteph @ottawasteph

    Hates labels, but calls Justin Trudeau "rookie." Sorry Julie, you're the rookie in Parliament.

    • Hedges

      You're back!! Yea!

  • PolJunkie

    "(Sorbara) can be all the negative person he wants. I’m going to be very positive."

    I think he meant to say "I'm going to be in hiding."

  • PolJunkie

    "You know what, here’s me with 42 years of working night shifts and facing people with loaded guns and dealing with murderers and rapists … and I get a lecture from a newbie. C’mon."

    Had a sudden flash of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men…

    "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"

    LOL!

    • Jan

      How long before we get 'Make my day!'

  • PolJunkie

    "The labelling, I guess for some people, is a way to describe honour, duty, responsibility, 42 years of committed, loyal, dedicated public service. And then you get a label. People have never been exposed to what I’ve done to the extent that I’ve experienced it: night shifts, complex cases, complex issues, victims issues, the rawness of crime and what it does to people."

    Fantino is in for a rude awakening. This is politcs. Wait until the press gallery gets on his case. Poor guy.

  • NorthernPoV

    He sounds confused.
    Whether braying loudly (Baird) or cowering in a metaphorical corner (McKay) the hallmark of the Harper gov't is confusion.

    They just don't get it. They don't understand their portfolios, responsibilities or the give and take of democracy.
    They certainly don't understand the role of gov't nor the predicament* that their position in the Harper gov't has become.
    (*ie powerless ministers and MPs defending the indefensible )

    Sadly, they turn to vandalism – killing off our civil society by order-in-council and other nefarious administrative strategies to gut the Canadian way.

  • gottabesaid

    There is no peek-a-boo. … It was a character assassination.

    Huh He didn't show up for public debates. Some people called him on it. That's character assassination? Wow.

    Anyone this annoyed by criticism is going to have a hard time in politics.

    • gottabesaid

      Now with proper punctuation (it disappeared)…

      "There is no peek-a-boo. … It was a character assassination."

      Huh? He didn't show up for public debates. Some people called him on it. That's character assassination? Wow.

      Anyone this annoyed by criticism is going to have a hard time in politics.

  • Mike514

    If this is the perfect Harper Conservative, then what's a good description of the perfect Ignatieff Liberal?

    • James Connors

      That would be you.

      Take a look into the mirror.

      • Mike514

        Thoughtful response. Thanks. It's comments like yours which remind me why I've slowly lost interest in the Macleans comments discussions, and the Macleans blogs in general.

        • James Connors

          Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?

          Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.

          Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.

          Rick: I was misinformed.

    • PeterboroDave

      Not a bloody clue as they haven't had a chance to govern yet.

      Now, if you were to ask me who the perfect Chretien Liberal was, I would say, "One who stands for re-election above all else". Art Eggleton and/or David Dingwall fit that bill perfectly.

      • Mike514

        I raised the question because Ignatieff asked Fantino to run for the Liberals. If he's the ideal Tory candidate, then he's at least a suitable (if not ideal) Liberal candidate.

        Now, if your ideal candidate is one that has the guts to face the electorate, then fair enough. But some of these candidates are in very, very safe ridings. I recall Sheila Copps resigning over the GST, then being re-elected (at taxpayer expense, of course). However, if she was in a riding where the Liberals barely got elected, I cynically believe that she would not have done that.

  • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

    Interesting Wordle
    http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/2841320/Julians_F…

    People know things

  • brooster2

    Fantino has long demonstrated a thin skin and brittle, defensive behaviour. The opposition will be baiting and needling him mercilessly and, obviously, he sets himself up for it.

    • Patchouli Blessings

      should be fun, eh?

  • chet

    Meanwhile,

    Iggy takes a "principled" stand by opposing human smuggling legislation.

    Apparently, in the course of wrapping himself in the Charter in an attempt to shield the obviously abhorrent and politically damaging position of being IN FAVOUR of human smuggling, he's taken the position that a) the Canadian Charter applies to all of the world's inhabitants, and b) detaining someone here illegally is "arbitrary".

    As for the law abinding immigrant community and their thousands of family members patiently, legally waiting for their turn in the queue to come to this great land? Well aparantly they just don't appreaciate the nuanced "progressive" approach to illegal immigration.

    • Mike T.

      so many lies…

      • Jan

        But chet has nailed all of the talking points. Surely he deserves some credit for that.

      • Gayle

        That would be the point. Yet another desperate attempt by Biff to change the channel.

    • kcm

      'As for the law abinding immigrant community and their thousands of family members patiently, legally waiting for their turn in the queue to come to this great land? Well aparantly they just don't appreaciate the nuanced "progressive" approach to illegal immigration'

      There is no queue for refugees meathead.

      • chet

        All those who pay to be smuggled are "refugees"?

        Interesting.

        So, in order for someone to qualify for refugee status, they simply have to pay a human smuggler to get them in, and its A OK.

        How "progressive".

        • Jan

          Nobody qualifies for refugee status on arrival. It doesn't matter how they got here or who they may ave paid to assist them getting here, they all go through the same refugee screening process. It's always amazing how much dis-information you are always unloading.

    • Amateur Hour

      Chet, your comment has nothing to do with Fantino. Big surprise.

      Regarding opposition to the Conservative's badly drafted bill: It confuses the Canadian immigration process (subject to the policies of the Ministry) with the asylum process (which is subject to Canada's treaty obligations and international standards). Immigrants and refugees are different categories of migrants and are governed by different laws. Harper's team can barely read, so it's not surprising that they mixed this up and have been caught out on it.

      The bill as written also gives sweeping and arbitrary powers to the Minister of Immigration to unilaterally declare asylum seekers to be subject to group detention, for up to a year, despite Canada's treaty obligations to assess applicants on a case by case basis as individuals.

      Worst of all, it punishes the victims of human smugglers far more than the perpetrators.

      Canada settles around 12,000 refugees per year — and the end times haven't come. In the 70s and 80s, we took in 110,000 Vietnamese "boat people", and the country did not crumble. Harper's "all fear, all the time" approach to everything has managed to turn a boatload of 950 desperate people, headed to a country with a large population of their brethren, into a bogus national security issue.

      You also failed to note that the Liberals offered to work with the government to draft a better piece of legislation that would address the actual problem, while also upholding our obligations under the Charter and the treaties Canada is signatory to. Big surprise.

      • Gayle

        Why bother. Biff is not even remotely interested in an intelligent discussion on any issue.

        • Richard_S_Argent

          No kidding, in the fall I tried for about a week to engage him in a discussion about the F-35 purchase (specifically Clement's defense of it/attack on the Liberals) and he simply refused.

          wonder why he changed his name from biff to chet?

          • Gayle

            Because he thinks people will actually think he is two different people.

          • Halo_Override

            He's moved on from Back to the Future to Weird Science?

          • Richard_S_Argent

            Heh, yeah…I'd say this is a pretty fair representation of our dear friend chet :)
            http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/80s/sites/tampabay….

          • kcm

            You've missed at least one earlier evolutionary stage of chetness – Kody, however Wells banned him for over-doing his' i am a pitiful victim of liberal smearmongering thing". Eventually he's hoping to evolve into a regular conservative…as you can see he's got a long long way still to go.

      • chet

        So many classes of people to declare "victims" in need of protection by the nanny state, so little time.

        Those who pay to be smuggled into Canada to enter illegally – the newest class of "victim" in progressia.

        Let me see what other "victims" have been championed of late….oh yes, convited terrorist Omar Kahdr, and of course who could forget those poor "victims" the captured Taliban (who routinely murder children, stone gays and dismember "impure women") who may….just may have recieved a slap in the face (no body check from behind into the boards of course, our society's acceptance of contextual violence only applies to fresh faced hockey players in the hockey arena…in the brutal arena of jihadist warfare the equivalent force applied against a captured Taliban "victim" brings great outcry from the left).

        Yes, we're all aware of the carefully chosen poor victims of the "progressive" left.

        • gottabesaid

          And this has what to do with Fantino now? It's like you've been pent up with conservative rage and you're off on righty tangent. We debated all this a month ago.

          C'mon back to us, chet. Get on topic, brother.

          • Jenn_

            Julian Fantino is the latest victim. Just read the post above. Chet hates everyone being a victim as "progressives" are always labelling everyone. Ergo, Chat/Biff/Kody hates . . .

            Oh. Hmm. Well, in that case . . . Meet the carefully chosen poor victim of the unprogressive right.

          • chet

            I was responding to the commenter above, declaring those being smuggled as the "victims".

            Perhaps in the future you can outline for me, a "correct" form of response which I can follow, lest the debate goes dangerously off course into "incorrect" territory.

            Today's "progressive left": ever carefully managing discourse so as to affect the "correct" form of dialogue.

  • chet

    The comments in this TO Star article on the topic is a harbinger of things to come with the electorate:
    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article…

    • PeterboroDave

      And um, did y'all read the comments in the Globe about Fantino?

  • kcm

    I think we may all be grateful if Harper's gag order on political commetary that has not received prior approval is somehow applied to JF. Why are so many supposedly tough guys so addicted to self-pity?

  • Gayle

    "I call it the Hitler Theory. You tell a lie often enough you hope that some people will believe it."

    The Big Lie theory has been relied on by the CPC almost since they took office. Take, for example, all those CPC MP's who stood up in QP and referred to some quotes from Ignatieff in the Winnipeg Free Press, even though the WFP withdrew the article and acknowledged Ignatieff was misquoted.

    So if Fantino means what he said about the high road, he better take a good long look at the company he keeps.

  • Matlock

    "I call it the Hitler Theory."

    A 'Reductio ad Hitlerum' in his first week?

    Even Shelly Glover hasn't hit that point yet. Wow.

  • PeteTong

    He can sit at the table and bring home the pork. Probably not enough pork for a hospital but certainly lots of pork for a new Italian community centre.

    • PeteTong

      Pigs love pork.

  • SamDavies

    Heil Fantino!
    But seriously – I wanna cite Goodwin, but it didn't happen online.
    Is there an equivalent for the offline world?

From Macleans