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The Commons: One thing he can say for sure

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:49pm - 46 Comments

The Scene. After the Prime Minister had escorted into the House the two newest additions to the government side, after the government side had delighted in the arrivals, and after the two MPs—Robert Sopuck of Dauphin and Julian Fantino of Vaughan—had officially surrendered their free will and taken their respective seats in the far southwest corner of the room, Mr. Harper returned to his own chair and awaited the first complaint of the leader of Her Majesty’s Official Opposition.

Michael Ignatieff’s lament this afternoon would be for those left waiting hours in emergency rooms across the country. By Mr. Ignatieff’s reckoning, the government had neglected to act sufficiently these last five years and, furthermore, the Prime Minister himself was not adequately supportive of the Canada Health Act. How, Mr. Ignatieff thus wondered, could the government be trusted to protect the public health system?

Mr. Harper stood and dispatched with this perfunctorily, lamenting for cuts to provincial transfers made by Liberal governments during the 1990s and boasting of how many billions his government has dutifully handed over in more recent years.

Having heard this version of events before, the Liberal leader was quick to respond that whatever Mr. Harper’s government had managed to transfer had been budgeted for by a Liberal government in 2004. Switching to English, he shook his fist in the Prime Minister’s direction and reviewed both the premise and the indictment. “The federal-provincial accords run out in 2014. The government has no record on public health. There has been no federal leadership on this issue for five years,” he declared. “The Prime Minister is heard to muse about how he would like to get rid of the Canada Health Act and he says that any plan to bring help to families to look after their loved ones at home is reckless. How can Canadians trust the government to defend public health?”

Mr. Harper stood and repeated his previous points, his right index finger emerging to wag and point variously. But here then the Prime Minister was apparently compelled to punctuate this fall sitting with a statement of great definitiveness.

“Since the leader of the Opposition made this personal, let me be clear,” he said, though it was not entirely clear to what degree the Liberal leader had turned the conversation toward the personal. “Myself and my family, we depend on, we have always used the public health care system of Canada. I wonder if the leader of the opposition can say the same thing.”

The government side leapt up joyously to salute their leader’s statement. And, for sure, it was quite heartening to hear the Prime Minister speak so clearly and openly for all to see and hear. He might not yet have explained to the nation how he came to completely reverse his position on the future of the mission in Afghanistan and decide to commit another 1,000 soldiers and $1.5 billion to the cause. He has so far been too shy to articulate a comprehensive plan to deal with what he has termed “perhaps the biggest threat to confront the future of humanity today.” His government remains hesitant to fully account for its decision to commit as much as $21 billion to new fighter jets. It seems rather unable for now to convey its policies on foreign aid. It cannot assure us that its sentencing reforms will result in less crime. It is seemingly unwilling to explain what security arrangement it is negotiating with the United States. But Mr. Harper can say that he and Mrs. Harper and their two children, having only ever resided in this country, have partaken of our national health care system.

The Liberal side, alas, seemed decidedly less-than-enthused about what should obviously be considered something of a breakthrough for our Prime Minister. Taking note of Mr. Harper’s last sentence, they apparently detected an insinuation that Mr. Ignatieff, having resided elsewhere in the world, had thus not always used the Canadian health care system and was, as a result, something less of a man, or at least less of a Canadian. Across the aisle from Mr. Harper, Liberal House leader David McGuinty extended his arm and put his thumb and index finger very near to each other, perhaps to describe the size of something unspecified.

“I can make that commitment, Mr. Speaker,” Mr. Ignatieff himself shot back, proceeding with a harangue that wildly exceeded his time limit.

If one were incapable of focusing on the positive here, as the Liberals apparently were, it would perhaps be tempting to wonder whether Mr. Harper has checked with every member of his cabinet—at least two of whom have strayed outside Canada at one time or another—to ensure neither sought any unCanadian medical treatment while abroad. The more uptight amongst us might wonder to what extent the health care histories of the families of politicians—if a second cousin of yours went to California to have his hip replaced, does that disqualify you from questioning anyone else’s commitment to public health care?—should be subject to public accountability. The more rigorous amongst us might at least now ask that a royal commission be struck to determine whether the prime-minister-elect received nothing more than the absolute average standard of care when he was taken to the emergency room four years ago with respiratory problems. Mr. Harper’s office did vow to be more transparent about his health after that incident, so maybe a comprehensive medical record could be tabled before Parliament.

But let us not now, at least for this precious moment, be distracted from a rare display of openness, transparency and definitiveness.

“Mr. Speaker, I do not have to make a commitment to use the Canadian public health care system,” Mr. Harper proclaimed again when Mr. Ignatieff had finished his third and final intervention. “That is what I have always used.”

And let us celebrate this disclosure. All the more so in the knowledge that if Mr. Harper ever seeks treatment in a less-than-Canadian system we cannot in anyway expect an explanation as to why.

The Stats. Quebec and seniors, four questions each. Health care, the economy, ethics, crime and the military, three questions each. Foreign aid, national security, the environment, infrastructure, the census and employment, two questions each. Canada Post, Iran and aboriginal affairs, one question each.

Stephen Harper, seven answers. John Baird, six answers. Diane Finley, four answers. Vic Toews and Peter MacKay, three answers each. Gail Shea, Bev Oda, Lawrence Cannon, Tony Clement and Rob Merrifield, two answers each. Denis Lebel, Rob Nicholson, Stockwell Day, Deepak Obhrai and Leona Aglukkaq, one answer each.

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  • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

    Why do you hate the [strikethru]troops [/strikethru] health care system?

  • Emily

    This kind of Harperian drivel explains why the govt has passed virtually no new legislation in all of 2010.

    • Emily

      Sorry thumb-monkeys, but he hasn't.
      http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/12/15/a-wasted-year/…

    • Philanthropist

      Excellent! The less legislation the better!

      • Thwim

        Hm. I was wondering when Philantrhopist would come around to support the gun registry. Good to see that he's on board with the government not passing the legislation which would abolish it.

  • hollinm

    Whine…whine….whine….whine….thy name is Liberal. Once again the PM makes mincemeat of the leader of the opposition. Ignatieff looks more and more foolish as he tries desperately to ratchet up the rhetoric. Wherry raises a number of questions. Ask the party. They will be happy to explain the realities to you Aaron. Oh, I forgot they won't talk to you.

    • Andre

      Never mind that the conservatives are still not out of their election fraud charges, at least we can rest easy that our prime minister elect is making good use of his mincemeating time out of our dime.

      • hollinm

        Just to keep you up to speed Elections Canada has lost two of the court battles. They are now wasting taxpayers' money appealing as is the Conservative party. There still is the general expectation that someone is innocent until proven guilty.

        • Dan Calda

          Innocent until proven guilty?

          One would like to think…but where was all of this sanctimonious crap by the Harper supporters when Omar Kadr was tortured and forced to "confess" by a military kangaroo court? A so called court that is no different then so called courts in North Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

          Hypocrites.

          • hollinm

            Dan…….come on. How does Omar Khadr come into this discussion. Khadr is being held by the Americans, not the Canadians. None of us like the process but I also don't have much sympathy for him. He has confessed to killing an American medic. Don't worry the fix is in. He will be back here after serving a year and maybe he and his family can move in with you. See whether you like that.

  • Richard_S_Argent

    One wonders what Preston thinks of the manner in which Harper treats the House of Commons…his dream died an ignoble death.

    • Blue

      So where were you when we had a chance to make Preston the PM ?

      • Richard_S_Argent

        Under 18.

        • tobyornotoby

          That's a lame excuse. You could have been in Reform School!

      • Jenn_

        Can we get a do-over? Because if the last five years or so were designed for the rest of us to see how great Preston Manning really is, you've won that battle already!

        • Blue

          I would love to have seen Preston as PM, but I also knew he never had a chance—-wrong time, wrong look, wrong voice, and probably wrong person to hold a diverse group of MP`s together. But he is a thinker and principled— rather rare these days. But I`m still happy with Harper—-does that make me a partisan ?—only witty answers please………..

          • http://straittohell.blogspot.com straittohell

            Not a partisan. Just myopic.

          • Blue

            Thanks for the diagnosis but I think I`ll take the word of the experts—–what I see is an accurate reflection of what is really happening.

          • Thwim

            If by reflection you mean reversal, then I'd agree.

          • http://straittohell.blogspot.com straittohell

            Funny, you didn't specify "expert feedback only" when you asked for answers to your question.

  • Blue

    Why does PM Harper lash out at Iggy sometimes ? I think Harper, like a lot of us, just gets sick of the complaining, the empty rhetoric, and the hypocritical bull that pours out of Iggy and other Liberals. Justin Trudeau doesn`t care about illegal refugees. Mark Holland doesn`t care about prison inmates. and Michael Ignatieff sure as hell doesn`t care about poor folks in hospital waiting rooms.Their hypocrisy is sickening.
    Let me give you an example—some fun facts.
    You would think Armageddon was fast approaching after observing the reaction of Liberals including many on this site when Parliament was prorogued earlier this year. The fun fact is that of the 65 Mp`s who were absent from Parliament more than 30 days this year 44 were Liberals—–that`s 67% of the worst absentees were Liberals who comprise less than 25% of sitting MP`s. In contrast only 6 Conservative MP`s were absent more than 30 days.
    Guess Parliament isn`t so supreme to Liberals.
    Guess you can understand why Harper gets sick of their hypocrisy.
    And the most absent MP was Iggy himself.

    • Emily

      Absent from QP doing other work is not the same as proroguing the entire Parliament.

      And as far as listening to whining and complaining….any govt would say that about the Opposition, because Harp in Opposition did exactly the same thing.

    • Jenn_

      You'd have a point if Conservative MPs did more than warm up the seats. Same would go for Liberal backbenchers, too, of course, which is why it is better value for money to have them off taking care of constituents, participating with community groups, and stuff like that.

      Having said that, it drives me completely bonkers when Liberals miss vital votes on things that allow bills to pass or move on or something. Especially when I know they are in town and all.

      • Blue

        You are right about that seat-warming bit and I mean from all parties. I suspect Conservative MP`s are told at the beginning of the session to show up for work in Ottawa and in their constituency or face the wrath. I don`t mind a leader who cracks the whip to keep the troops on their toes as long as he isn`t a complete pr!ck and from most reliable reports Harper is a decent guy.
        But it must be very demoralizing for Liberals to see so many of their fellow MP`s absent especially if their leader can`t be bothered to show up. In contrast Conservatives probably put pressure on their colleagues to limit their absences, therefore helping morale.

        • Emily

          Everyone knows where everyone is, so try not to get carried away with the hype eh?

    • Jan

      Where's Orson Bean and why isn't he coimplaining about Blue's overt partisanship? He's was moaning about it yesterday.

  • Gabby in QC

    Sometimes you know-it-all pundits really miss the point.

    PM Harper was not necessarily alluding to Ignatieff's having availed himself of medical treatment abroad. He was most likely alluding to Jack Layton, Joe Clark, Paul Martin and most recently Danny Williams — perhaps even other politicians — who constantly sing the praises of our universal public healthcare system, yet when their health has been in question they've sought private healthcare.

    The PM has been accused time and again of wanting to get rid of public healthcare, yet he has not gone private like others have done.

    Had he sought my advice, I would have told him to keep his options open, i.e. one day he may want to go private, given the crappy state of our vaunted system, which no huge injection of funds is going to cure.

    • http://straittohell.blogspot.com straittohell

      So while responding to a question from Ignatieff, Harper took a swing at other politicians and punched Ignatieff by accident? Pull the other leg.

      • Blue

        ……….or more likely he was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Iggy and the Liberals who seem to only have interest in health care when they think the issue will harm the Conservatives.

      • Gabby in QC

        Why am I not surprised? Another "progressive" missing the point.

        Wherry suggests in his little screed that PM Harper was chastizing Ignatieff for his absence from Canada.
        "Mr. Ignatieff, having resided elsewhere in the world, had thus not always used the Canadian health care system and was, as a result, something less of a man, or at least less of a Canadian."
        That is Wherry's interpretation.

        Neither Wherry nor I can read minds, but since Wherry likes to play that game, I joined him. My interpretation is what I stated in my previous comment.
        Harper is portrayed as the evil destroyer of our sacrosanct healthcare system, yet he is the one who has not had recourse to private care, unlike Layton, Clark, Danny Williams, Martin (?) — only his friend who owns Medisys knows for sure — and who knows how many other principled "progressives" safeguarding our healthcare.

  • gottabesaid

    I had the chance to watch QP on TV yesterday. The 'nugget' of many of the Liberal questions had validity. Iggy asked a question about health care, and I was actually looking forward to an answer from the Conservatives on the point. But the question itself was dripping with venom. The question wasn't a question… it was an opportunity to paint the Conservatives as health care devils. So, ask partisan question, get a partisan answer. Not surprisingly, Harper didn't offer any helpful information, just more partisan rhetoric. How about this: ask the Conservatives what their plans are for health care past 2014. Straight up. If they spout more empty rhetoric, call them on it. If they proceed to offer a history lesson, call them on it. All I know is I want to know what the Conservatives have planned for health care… so ASK THEM ABOUT IT.

    • Blue

      Brilliant.

    • hollinm

      I fully agree. Too often the questions are loaded, untruthful and contain three questions in one that the government simply blows them off. How do you answer a question on healthcare in 45 seconds. Its stupid. I would rather have a shorter QP but with substantive questions and of course substantive answers. However, unless we get some reform like Chong is recommending we will never see any positive changes to QP.

    • Thwim

      I don't remember when but there was a period, albeit short, when they tried to go with straight questions.. it was near the beginning of Dion's term, I think.

      At any rate, the CPC answers didn't change.

      Given that, I guess they figure they might as well get in some accusations and details in case the media actually happens to be recording.

      And in case you haven't noticed, they continually try to call the CPC on their non-answers.. which leads to the latter half of the exchanges such as we see reported here.

      • gottabesaid

        I can't speak to 'straight questions' of the early Dion regime. If they've tried the 'straight question' route and failed, I stand (a tinsy bit) corrected. I'm just offering my impression of what I saw yesterday. Iggy started with his question, and I thought, 'Great… I'd love to know what the Conservatives have planned for health care.' Then Iggy starts with the allegations that the Conservatives are going to undo Canadian health care as we know it. As soon as he started down that line, I KNEW he wouldn't get any kind of straight answer out of Harper, and it just got worse from there.

        Personally, I was disappointed because I want to know what the Conservatives' plans are for health care. I really, really do. It seemed as though Iggy was letting Harper off the hook with the loaded question.

        ALSO, immediately after the Iggy-Harper exchange, I'd note that Duceppe asked a fairly straightforward question, and got a fairly straightforward answer.

        • Thwim

          Went back through Hansard, and I'd hardly call that a straightforward answer.

          Duceppe asked, twice and specifically, if the government would restore the shoreline protection program. And the second time he directly called them on not answering the first time!

          Both times, the government replied with the government encourages people to ask for assistance in the current programs, saying absolutely nothing about what he actually asked.

          You can re-read it yourself here: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publicat…

          I mean, come on, you can't really get a straighter question than that — and they didn't even cancel the program, so there's really no way I could see fault applying to them if they simply said, "No," and then followed it with the spiel they did.

          I mean, if such a thing were reported on, our regular partisan whackos around here would call it another example of slanted journalism, but the problem isn't the journalism, it's the facts. The facts are that the CPC government absolutely sucks! I don't know that any of the others are any better, but by god, let's at least get this bunch of idiots out so we have a chance to find out.

          • Blue

            Keep hoping for the miracle Thwim but you should know that this CPC government has been accepted by Canadians now for 5 years and it appears they will be in place for many more years.
            You better get used to it.

          • Thwim

            Accepted by less than a third, although your second point, supported by our FPTP system and a three-four way divided opposition, may well be true. Don't you wish for better, though?

          • hollinm

            Of course I didn't see you complain or call the Chretien majority government illegitimate when they won with 38% of the electorate. Hardly a majority of Canadians supported them. However, they are Liberals and they are entitled to govern right. Nobody else. Only when the Conservatives are in power do we need to change the voting system.

          • Thwim

            You're right. You didn't. You also don't see me calling *this* government illegitimate, so kindly take that straw man and place it where the sun doesn't shine before you set fire to it.

            You also didn't see me calling the Chretien government one that was "accepted by Canadians", and would have been hard pressed to find an instance of me even calling it a good government.

            Chretien was a power-hungry ass, better than Harper only in that he had some modicum of respect for the system he was taking advantage of. His performance after the APEC affair left me permanently disgusted with the man, and even his good actions (such as limiting campaign contributions) I can now only see in the negative light of what he was trying to do (scuttle the hopes of Martin lasting past a single term).

          • hollinm

            Of course every time a Minister in a Liberal government stood up to answer a question it was a clear, difinitive, unequivocal answer. Right and those governments truly sucked as you so aptly put it.

            Besides you guys expect every word to come out of a Conservative government's mouth to be the absolute turth, no equivication at all. Then when it doesn't happen the way you want it. You yell….see they are lying.

          • Thwim

            In fairness, they did campaign specifically on how their behavior would be better than the Liberals.

            And at the time, they didn't mean being better Liberals than the Liberals are.

  • Judge Roy Bean

    Do you guys have bobbleheads of Iggy on your desks so you can get on your knees and bow 10 times a day?

  • LoyalSubject

    Poor Aaron Wherry. Always making abject apologies for the Grits. Infra dig, not to say uncool.

  • Not a PM but a KING

    Wow, I am amazed that KING Harper WONDERS about anything.

    I thought HE knew everything.

  • dan,Vancouver

     .
    The U.S. State Department has its man firmly ensconced in the leader of the opposition's chair, backed by cheerleader Rae.

    This keeps Harper where the State Department would like him.

    Good game plan, Hillary.
     
    And the commenters are throwing in their two cents worth without even being asked. Freebie.
     .

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