How Stephen Harper will survive in 2011

He prorogued parliament and gutted the census but his party is still seen as reliable

by Paul Wells on Friday, January 7, 2011 8:00am - 234 Comments
How Stephen Harper will survive in 2011

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On New Year’s Eve, his last day as Stephen Harper’s chief of staff, Guy Giorno wrote a farewell memo to Conservative government staffers and launched a Twitter account. Ottawa started poring over his 140-character Twitter bursts and ignored the memo. Let’s read the memo.

“After exactly two-and-one-half wonderful years,” Giorno wrote, it was time to leave Harper’s side. He reminded his colleagues of the government’s successes. Only one item on his list was about policy: “A sweeping, affirmative Economic Action Plan to protect the economy.” The result? “Our economy is outperforming the economies of many countries of the world.”

The rest of Giorno’s list was about partisan political achievements. “We won a general election, only the eighth time in 40 elections that a governing party has increased both its seat count and its share of the popular vote. We eliminated the so-called gender gap”—the Liberals’ former advantage among female voters—“and made inroads into communities that have not voted Conservative for decades . . . Today, our standing in the polls is stronger and higher than when I first arrived.”

Of course Giorno’s account is self-serving. Which is not the same as saying he has no point. The man who ran the PMO wasn’t interested in much besides the economy. By the time he left, the Conservatives were in decent shape to fight an election. One may explain the other.

Harper heads into the third full calendar year of his second term in a position, not of utter dominance, but of relative strength. He has a good shot at avoiding an election and, if he cannot avoid it, a good shot at winning it. That’s why his little New Year’s cabinet shuffle was not the overhaul bored Ottawa scribes wanted: because he does not need an overhaul.

Now is the time for “continuing proven approaches that work and have brought us safely thus far,” Harper said at Rideau Hall after the shuffle, “and not for economic adventurism.” It was, almost word for word, the message he used to launch the election of 2008. A steady hand on one side, the crazies on the other.

Is this his pre-electoral pitch then? Only if it must be. He would rather it be his avoid-elections pitch. If the opposition wants to force an election, “it’s their decision,” he said. “But this government will be focused on the economy.”

His argument makes enough sense to enough voters to make him a risky target for his opponents. A new poll from an upstart Ottawa polling house, Abacus Data, asked respondents how they felt about the three big national political parties. Abacus found respondents were likelier to agree the Conservative party “keeps its promises” than the Liberals or New Democrats do. They were also likeliest to agree the Conservative party “has a good team of leaders,” “has sensible policies,” and is “professional in its approach.”

The Conservatives do not lead only in feel-good perceptions. Respondents thought the Conservatives, more than Liberals or New Democrats, are “extreme” and “out of touch with ordinary people.” It hardly needs saying that Harper continues to divide the country. But enough of the division benefits the Conservatives to leave Harper in the catbird seat.

Abacus found Canadians have less trouble agreeing about the Liberals. When comparing the three parties, respondents were least likely to agree that Michael Ignatieff’s party “keeps its promises,” “understands the problems facing Canada,” “looks after the interests of people like me,” “defends the interests of people in my province,” “has a good team of leaders,” “stands for clear principles,” “has sensible policies,” or is “professional in its approach.”

But look on the bright side. The Liberals did not finish behind the Conservatives and New Democrats on every measure. Among the three parties, respondents were likeliest to agree it’s the Liberals who are “divided” and “will promise anything to win votes.”

These are the results Ignatieff obtains after a full year with a senior political staff Ottawa reporters like. It follows his long summer bus tour and the uniformly positive reviews that came with it. It comes after Harper prorogued Parliament, gutted the long-form census, turned summit-time Toronto into one big riot and flip-flopped on ending the Afghanistan deployment.

After all that, Canadians give Harper’s party the edge on reliability, pertinence and competence. After the Conservatives, on these same questions, they almost always prefer Jack Layton’s NDP to Ignatieff’s Liberals. Giorno’s farewell note does not mention the census or the G-20 or Afghanistan. Just as well: these issues don’t move votes.

I know Liberals who have lost hope of changing anyone’s mind about Ignatieff before an election campaign. They are optimistic to believe they will change anyone’s mind during a campaign. But optimism is allowed, and anyway that is not the first challenge they face. The first challenge is making an election happen.

Harper has warned for two years that the opposition parties are conspiring for his job. Most days that’s just not true. But the only way they can defeat him this year is to conspire. If they do, the benefit of the doubt will lie, on balance, with the Conservatives. And until they manage to conspire, Michael Ignatieff will keep twisting in the wind.

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  • West Newf

    Hey everybody, where is Iggy? The man is kept under wraps by the Libs because he is such a loser!

    • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

      European vacation.

      Last year his war room pulled a "Where's Waldo? on our PM. It backfired.

      Our PM was in Ottawa at work while he was in France and Layton was snorkeling in Belize. Classic war room screw up.

    • Keith in Brampton

      So astute! so incisive!

  • Jake 2

    Harper's only as good as the hairspray integrity supporting his Wig…anyday now the wind will blow his Bushleague Agenda cover, scare the daylights out of Canadians and march in droves to vote for an ABC COALITION!

    Our Dear Forever Minorty Leader suffers from a chronic case of Democratic Deficit and Lack of Accountability, not to mention spending taxpayers' money like a drunken sailor! $2 billion for G-Trashing Toronto, and $25 billion (even Washington is now investigating the company's accounts for overruns!) for useless Fighter Jets to help American contractor friends!

    What has this incompetent Accidental P.M. ever done for C anadians, other than creating a $55 billion Deficit and not a single National Canadian Policy to show for it! Child Care? Unemployment Benefits? Research and Development? Technology Industry's support? Seniors and Women's Issues? Veterans' affairs? Protecting potential victims from his anti-LongGun Registry murderous rampage?

    • libby21

      Keep posting Jake. I just cannot imagine harper in a majority situation. He is unscrupulous and his government incometent and malicious. What are Canadians thinking.?

  • Michelle

    Our Minority PM would be far more comfortable if he were to apply for immigration to Zimbabwe. He'd win over Mugabe hands-down. And Canuck Taxpayers can breathe a sigh of relief and put $20 billion to worthy causes, like reducing half hte deficit and having a decent National Child Care policy in place!

    The most unCanadian Minority PM ever….and a robot made in the U.S. at that!…

    • Frank Blackwood

      I can see a Leadership Convention for the Liberals in 2011.

  • Trudeau lover

    This article reads like regurgitated talking points from the "Liberal"/Separatist alliance war room. It's not "Harper" who has divided this nation, the country has been divided for the past 40 years or longer. "Liberals" know all about the divide and conquer strategy and in fact turned that strategy into an art form. It is an ideologically driven media who feed off the divisiveness and in fact encourage it, along with the perpetuation of polarizing debate. Extreme leftist media types have done more to polarize debate and divide Canadians on a wide variety of issues than Trudeaumaniac could have ever hoped for.

  • westmalle

    I don't believe the nonsense about Harper lusting for a majority. It doesn't get better than this. He governs as he wishes (especially now that he has a majority in the Senate) and the only thing that will stop him is if all 3 opposition parties cooperate to vote non-confidence, thus proving that the "Cow-a-lishun" (to use Duceppe's phrase) does indeed exist.

    The fact of the matter is there is no where in the country where the Conservatives have to play defence to the Liberals, instead, they have the puck in the Liberal's end of the rink in GTA and Montreal Island. And Matane byelection this spring will show if Conservatives have "game" in the Bloc's rink as well.

    Harper obviously believes the maxim: govern well and the politics will look after themselves.

    No election until October 2012. Bank on it.

    • Thwim

      I think you have the maxim Mr. Harper believes reversed.

      Exactly how many acts of actual governance has this CPC done again?

    • Blacktop

      Actually, I prefer a minority government. The worst excesses of any politician are tempered by the fact that he might be out on his ass tomorrow.

    • Andre1958

      I agree with your views about the majority. And I sometime think that this situation could last for a long long time. For all 3 opposition parties to vote non-confidence at the same time, all 3 would have to believe that they would do as good (if not better) in the following election, just in case the cow-a-lishun self-destructed somewhere in the process.

      If any one of those 3 happens to be going through a bad phase with low polls numbers, that would probably lower their drive to take a stroll to the polls.

      So, the PM says that he is there to govern, he does, the majority in the senate helps, he does nothing to precipitate an election and let the 3 opposition leaders babble away.

      And there is one more thing. In order to change the government, you have to have a reason. So far, none of the stuff the opposition has been talking about has done anything to motivate the voters.

  • gottabesaid

    Hey, buddy, all I said was that government intervention isn't a small-c Conservative thing to do. Agree with me, disagree with me. But don't come at me with counterarguments to arguments I didn't make or put words in my mouth. Sounds like you're making me a proxy for everybody who has ever criticized your party on its economic record.

    BTW, the price of the fighters, when you take into account maintenance, is going to be at least $14-16 billion.

  • johnnyboy one

    Can't help but notice there are no alternatives to sway the vote away from the liars and thieves already present. It seems we have to put up with the lessor or greator evils. I wonder who got us in this position?

    • West Newf

      That's "lesser OF greater" there Mr. spelling bee! A lessor is someone who lets and a "greator", well, that's not even a word. Would have been easier to say "lesser of two evils". You need some of that there "educashon".

  • Russell Barth

    harper is the last PM we will ever have. he will scam the next election, then in 25 or 30 years, hand power to his son Ben.

    Harper wants to rule with an elite, not a democracy. Canadians simply don't want democracy. If they did, they would participate in it. No, Canadians want a dad to make all the decisions for them so that they don't have to take responsibility for their government.

    • WestNewf

      That's plain crap. Get a brain!

    • West Newf

      that's crap!

    • S.H.

      Russell, this is your dad…

      Cut your hair.

  • chet

    I for one thank the Liberal elite for annointing their leader, after all, the elites in the party know much better than their unwashed masses.

    I also encourage the Liberal elite, who remember know much better than the rest of us what is important to Canadians,

    to continue to ride "census(gate)".

    Surely the elites are correct in thinking that whether Ma and Pa Mackenzie have food on their table, or whether some young couple on the Praries can afford to have children this year, pales in comparison to the issue as to whether a mandatory government document is shortened from it's current FORTY page length.

    • Trudeau lover

      Try as they might the "Liberals" and their whores in the media cannot get Canadians to go all hysterical over the prospect of the Government not having the ability to coerce and jail you for not telling them what you're "mother tongue" is…

  • LoyalSubject

    Iggy does the twist very well.

  • true blue

    excellent analysis

  • guest

    The opposition should turn question period into a dry, boring imitation of a court of law: change the playing field. The sound bites the media crave would have to be found elsewhere. If policy is not the conservatives' strong suit, they should be seen in the media fumbling for simple answers to simple questions.

  • marta

    next year : Angela who…. Stephen who???

  • Charlie

    We all know the conservative party is the best party.

  • Durward

    Love that headline…. Prorougued Parliament, Gutted the long form census and is still seen as reliable, competent..
    Every PM prorougued Parliament, every last one that was head of a party when elected.
    Gutting the invasive mandatory long form is a good thing this is not the USSR yet and government needs to know the number of citizens and nothing else, our private lifes are just that ..Private.
    Harper does not devide the country, Lefty Media and their Liberal masters do that, it's how they maintained power for decades playing one area against another with the help of the leftist MSM and definitly MACLEANS.

  • Mike T.

    Now if this guy was 35% of Canadians, I could see why the polls say this…

  • Be_rad

    Prorogation is a natural feature of parliaments. From what I can tell online, they had annual sessions and prorogued before summer and came back fresh in the fall. That's the way it still works in the UK. In Canada, the tradition seems to have evolved and now prorogations only happen when the PM feels his/her agenda has stalled or the agenda is cluttered with business that has proven unpopular or needs significant refinement. To that degree, you are right. When people complain or comment about the prorogations in question, they are really talking about the timing. There are enough authorities who have studied these questions and understand the nuances who say these instances were unprecedented and constitute an abuse. There is a big difference between using a convention as it is normally used and abusing it. But I'm betting you already knew that.

  • DerekPearce

    Bringing up the USSR in terms our census is bogus hyperbole, not an argument.

  • Passing by

    When was the last time an opposition leader outpolled a sitting PM on who could best lead the country?

    (Hint: I don't think that's happened in recent memory.)

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits' Guide

    Please note that not everyone who attends the University of Calgary shares the views of some of the faculty you're thinking of.

  • Griffin

    Dear advertorial drivilist:
    Thank you for telling what I think, and you could not be more wrong. It's not so much the crippling debt but what it was spent on.
    The pollsters are privately owned and operated media tools and we know who bought those out in 06. This government is spending our money on their PR. It's that simple. The compensation cheques the cons rip off our cheque books to media and pollsters will be the last to see austerity cuts under Mr.Harper's relentless Goebbels propaganda blitz. The tone here Mr. Wells, is just another mind numbing chorus compelling Canadians not to bother voting as Paul insists everything is just peachy. I do do regret the beggar state the print media is in but that tragedy does not warrants this level of crass pimping.
    I'm afraid not Paul. This governments serial gaffs, debt supported lipstick and weak character are in play regardless of what you like to say we think!

  • gottabesaid

    Exactly. And to be fair Chretien did the same thing at least once that I can remember… and the Conservatives (quite rightly) screamed bloody murder.

  • LindaL

    The second prorogation is notable, not because of Harper's actions in calling it but because of the public response — all those Facebook people. At the time, I never quite understood their response — especially since the actual days did not amount to much when things like the usual breaks were taken into account. At some point I twigged to the fact that this was a belated, angry response to the 2008 prorogation where there was a legitimate power struggle and the coalition lost. There was a lot of residual resentment against Harper by everyone who opposed him and were hoping the coalition would stick. When it did not, they harbored their resentments and the second prorogation became the symbolic opportunity to vent their anger — fed somewhat by labour unions, green-party activists, NDP. For the parties who were behind the scenes helping to promote all of this, it was pay-back time. I doubt that another prorogation would elicit the same response.

  • Emily

    Canadians are making the same mistake with Harper, as Ontarians did with Harris.

    They are NOT conservatives.

    Cons claim to be conservative….that should mean free markets, open skies, global trade, capitalism, competition, being pro-business and so on…NOT protectionism, the nanny state, red tape, parochialism and regulations.

    However they are currently protecting potash, and Air Canada refusing extended landing rights to the UAE…not to mention we have the biggest deficit in our history, and they want to spend even more on things that are of no use whatever to us, like F-35s. Conservatives are not big on unions either, or the ‘working man’ unlike Harp’s Timmies crowd.

    The current Con party is just a weird combo of fundies, libertarians, class envy, old Socreds, no education. …and fear.

  • Mike T.

    It's true it was calculated, but the stakes were much bigger when harper did it, making his worse.

  • Mike T.

    no.

  • Be_rad

    A routine prorogation would not, I agree. The context in which a prorogation is called will be seen for what it is by the people, not what braying donkeys on one side may claim it to be, or apologists on the other may try and say to deflect from the truth.

  • TimesArrow

    The second prorogation was a blatant attempt to cool off the detainee issue. You have a point, but you can't simply discard other facts either.

  • McC_

    that was actually the third time that Harper had prorogued a session of Parliament

  • Keith in Brampton

    It's not the time factor as much as the fact that he's using it to avoid issues. It's also the fact that – this time – there were bills making their way through that were scrapped and had to be relaunched from scratch – wasting tax dollars and delaying their implementation. Completely wasteful and unnecessary – and an incredible display of arrogance. I don't know what percentage of the populace I represent twith this opinion, but it's shared by the majority of my friends and acquaintances.

  • Mike T.

    Indeed, the most conservative prime minister of the last 40 years has been Chretien…

  • gottabesaid

    In defence of the Conservatives, I'm not sure you can slap the 'nanny state, red tape' and 'regulations' tags on them. That's quite a stretch.

  • christophilia

    Yeah, useless things like fighter jets to defend our airspace, and be a relevant contributor in NATO. I wonder when the US can just do all our military spending for us, and we can slowly assimilate into the US as they defend our borders.

  • Peter Larson

    Finally, someone with a brain when they say; “They are NOT conservatives." In fact if you know Harper, the man has always hated Conservatives, especially Brian Mulroney’s Conservatives. He is a REFORMIST. Anyone remember the Reform Party of Canada with shaky voiced Preston Manning who couldn’t ever manage to spit it out on where he stood except a bit more south than North-west in Canada?

    Had the reformists not amalgamated with the "Conservative" party, after many disagreements as to what name to use for the party, today neither one nor the other would have won enough seats to be reckoned with.

    Harper is a REFORMIST; never forget that and that is why he doesn’t think like a Liberal nor a Conservative and sometimes even as an Canadian. This is why he doesn’t mind spending Canadian Taxpayer’s dollars with expensive hockey game tickets for him and his buddies, just to mention one…

  • d_abes

    It's not the biggest deficit in history. In 1993 for example the deficit was 8.7% of GDP, 30% higher than now. Most of that deficit was structural not cyclical as this on is

  • Claude Laronde

    Agreed, Harris set Ontario back 10 to 15 years. His famous and deceitful finance minister (saying we had a balanced budget but had a shortfall of 5 billion dollars) is now Finance minister of Canada. What will we discover when the conservatives loose an election? The conservative economic plan is just words. The only reason Canada has survived the recession is the fact we had a strong banking system and strong companies. Mr Harper loves to take credit where credit is not due and when things go awray he blames somebody else. The sooner he is defeated the better. The liberals need to pull together and win, with a majority and get the average person working again. The wealthy CEO's should be ashamed of their incomes and pensions. Thkey deserve proper compensation, but with limits..

  • donnie mcleod

    An anarchist told me recently "the Liberals are corrupt and Ignatieff has to go". I met the anarchist by chance on Bank Street in Ottawa, he was looking for signatures for some animal protection law or something. It was one of those moments of clarity as if I could read the entrails of a sacrificed chicken or tea leafs. When the Conservative has an anarchist mouthing their mantra I see Harper getting his majority. The opportunity is to sell products designed to annoy Harper. Because he may win his majority but his true nature will come out, his plan for Canada will fail, Canadians will be angry and he will be vilified. So there is opportunity selling products to annoy Harper as he looses control of reality. Any one interested in investing?

  • Inkless

    Could Durward and ABC maybe arm-wrestle and decide whether I'm a lackey for the Liberals or the Conservatives?

  • Emily

    Who gave out baby bonuses, hockey credits, transit credits? Who is keen on regulating things to death like pot and crime? What is it….6 plants means years in prison?

    Who has added to the public servants, the cabinet, the consultants? And the senate? For a bunch that claimed they were for 'smaller govt' it has grown massively under the Cons.

  • Jan

    An anarchist with a petition? Has everyone abandoned their principles?

  • Mike T.

    To give your (fabricated?) tale perhaps more attention than it was due, any anarchist worth his salt would have been saying that about the Liberals since the time of Laurier. Or any other party for that matter.

    As for the rest, I suppose an anarchist might find some admiration for Harper int he way he's gone about attacking the mechanisms of government and parliament.

  • KRB

    Great article which tells it like it is, even if that reality doesn't sit altogether well with the author.

  • http://myblahg.com Robert McClelland

    Is there a difference?

  • mhiggins

    That sounds like something Jack Layton would say.

  • A_logician

    Think bigger, Paul. Mud wrestling would be more appropriate.

  • McC_
  • Richard

    Only after the Liberals and Conservatives have an arm-wrestle to see who gets to have you as their lackey.

  • Zamprelli

    We all know you're a créditiste plant

  • s_c_f

    You're a lackey for both sides :-) You're a lackey and a turncoat to both!

  • Blacktop

    Not a lackey, but the fly on the wall in the room where big decisions were made in the Liberal era. There are no flies on the wall in the Conservative caucus room; they have been using flit.

  • TimesArrow

    'But the only way they can defeat him this year is to conspire. If they do, the benefit of the doubt will lie, on balance, with the Conservatives. And until they manage to conspire, Michael Ignatieff will keep twisting in the wind.'

    Why don't you climb down offen that fence PWs, why don't cha? :)
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/seco…

    This gentlemen doesn't concur… as a good liberal i'm torn; as someone who thinks a coalition well led could win i'm even more torn.

  • Emily

    Yeah, him and Martin.

  • Emily

    I forgot to add that Cons are anti-science, anti-intellectual…..and I don't see any balanced budgets

  • gottabesaid

    I agree that the Conservatives haven't been particularly conservative at times… but I don't see a nanny state emerging from their tenure, nor are they 'regulating things to death', tougher sentences for pot possession notwithstanding. I do think, in their heart of hearts, Conservatives want smaller government (even if things have gotten slightly bigger lately). Just my impression.

  • McC_

    consider re-reading the article more carefully, I don't think it says what you think it says.

  • madeyoulook

    Dear advertorial drivilist:

    Wow, Paul, the insults hurled your way are getting a bit more creative, at least!

  • McC_

    "drivilist" does have a certain neologismic flair to it, doesn't it? Chapeau Griffin!

  • McC_
  • http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/ Scott_Tribe

    It must be noted however that the CEO of Abacus did recently write a joint paper with Tom Flanagan.. and he has been seen by some of his former University colleagues as a conservative activist.. for what that's worth.

  • LindaL

    I am not apologizing or criticizing — or even evaluating the rightness or wrongness of the prorogue. I am simply saying that the reaction to what was a more or less routine prorogue never made sense to me, until I linked it to the anger that was simmering over the earlier prorogue (and certainly fed by residual anti=Harper sentiment). There really is no other explanation. The visceral reaction was totally unprecedented and out of proportion to any issues arising because Parliament would be closed for a few additional weeks.

  • LindaL

    I did not buy this explanation because the public simply was not paying much attention to the detainee issue — period! It was not hurting the Tories. Also — the rhetoric at the time was not focused on any urgency with respect to finding out the truth re detainees — it was focused more on ideological issues (undermining democracy primarily). This served as an umbrella for rallying the crowds, but really, the equation drawn between Parliament sitting and democracy was never very convincing. I contend that most of those people protesting were still mad about the previous prorogue.

  • LindaL

    But there was no need to start from scratch — none. Where Parliamentarians agree, bills can be picked up wherever they were left off.

  • true blue

    NDP ?? That's what your comments represent.

  • Kaplan

    Exactly! Wells might write something that you don't particularly like. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily his point of view. He's on the ground in Ottawa, he's in touch with the players, and he's built up more than a bit of credibility and experience with which to level an assessment. It may be right or wrong, but I'll usually trust his take on things.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    Darn those pesky facts again.

  • TimesArrow

    '-only pass legislation that was 'good for Quebec'.

    Idiot!

  • Thwim

    My Canada includes Quebec.

  • theRightIsSoWrong

    35% on the right of the political spectrum does not make for "Canadians" opinions. The primary reason for "Conservative" lead in the commons is their permanent coalition of losers (PC/Reform) and the current split on the left. Nothing scares a coalition like a bigger one.

  • Keith in Brampton

    I may be wrong, but that's not my understanding. As far as I know, any bills not passed by the end of a legislative session are dead – and proroguing ends the session.

  • LindaL

    You are wrong. A central factor is that Parliament has to agree to revive the bills wherever they were left off.

  • Orson Bean

    Thanks for calling out the bs.

  • Andre1958

    I am not sure that anything that Gilles ''Ducette'' saids is of any importance to people outside Québec. Actually, not very important to Québecers either.

    As for the NDP, Jack repeats himself continuously. No need to give him new coverage.

  • Emily

    Or perhaps we could move on from the Cold War of the last century?

  • Emily

    Sorry, you're both wrong.

  • Emily

    Yeah, I 'tried out' the Reform party…and they're no more conservatives now than they were all those years ago.

    In many ways, they're our 'tea party', that eventually took over the PCs. Harp is definitely Reform, not conservative.

  • TimesArrow

    Your correct, but did they agree…i never heard ?

  • TimesArrow

    Straws and camels backs…in any case parliament was paying attention – too much for Harper's liking. You're also forgetting the litany of excuses for proroguing, each one more ridiculous than the next.

  • LindaL

    No more attention than through that whole series of other issues — Cadman, in-out, even involvement with Mulroney. There is usually some "scandal" on the table as that is one line of attack for the opposition. Had there been a prorogation at any point one could point to something Harper might be trying to avoid. But I do remember that the public just was not particularly engaged in Afghanistan detainee– and some were really mad at the opposition, interpreting this as a slur on the military. (recall Bill Graham's testimony to the Committee). Political junkies highlight that issue, but I don't think politically (at least at the time) that it was that significant.

    Now where you are right is that they never did come up with a solid reason to prorogue, and my interpretation of that was that they did not expect people to be particularly upset by it (no one did) and wanted to focus on a range of other things — like the upcoming G7, etc. We are only talking three weeks, so they would not have expected the reaction they got. And, in retrospect it turned out to be a huge misstep — and that's where I have always had trouble making sense of people's reaction to the whole thing.

  • Orson Bean

    I thought that virtually all economists consider debt and deficit as a percentage of GDP to be a much more relevant meansuring stick than the absolute debt and deficit number. Or do you disagree with that?

  • Keith in Brampton

    And the reason they are wrong would be…?

  • Emily

    Virtually all economists didn't see the 'recession' coming. How intelligent do you think THAT makes them?

    Canada has been in debt since it formed [so has the US] We were born inheriting debt. You try not to let it get too big, but as long as you can keep the economy growing and developing it doesn't have a lot of meaning.

    Mulroney got rid of the operating deficit, but the main deficit was still growing…and he said it was eating us alive, so we had to 'grow' out of it. Hence NAFTA.

    Bascially that's what Harper is counting on…outgrowing the problem….but unless we start switching to the knowledge economy that isn't going to happen….because the old economy is dead.

  • Emily

    Partly what I wrote above…..and partly because we're switching over to the globalized knowledge economy….and definitely have structural unemployment ….and will continue to do so for years.

    IT alone in Canada needs 89,000 people right now….yet '42 per cent of adults and 39 per cent of youth lack the literacy skills to get a good job and cope with the demands of today's knowledge society.' StatsCan

  • Blacktop

    As I recall from lectures long ago, Conservatives are those whose policies preserve the status quo ante, or perhaps roll back a bit, as did Thatcher.

    Emily just has a thing about Harper, as some Nova Scotians who consider themselves the REAL Conservatives, particularly when they weren't invited to the party.

  • Emily

    I dunno what 'lectures' you attended, but they had nothing to do with being a conservative in Canada.

    I don't have a 'thing' about Harper….he's a stupid dangerous man and his platform, such as it is, is equally dangerous.

    I prefer genuine conservatives.

  • Blacktop

    That's not Cold War stuff. Did you note that China is acquiring similar jets? Or are you still gushing that all that little old China wants is our coal and iron and the chance to do business and sell its trashy products to us? Get updated.

  • Emily

    Fighter jets are definitely Cold War. China is even putting out an aircraft carrier…which they now have the ability to take out, and so know are obsolete. It's for show…a Potemkin village. Scares the shorts off Americans and people like you, and that's their sole purpose.

    In case you hadn't noticed, we and the US are trading bigtime with the Chinese….and the Chinese are America's bankers. There is 'show' and there is reality.

    We won't be in any fighting war with the Chinese…a trade war, a cyberwar perhaps, but not a shooting war.

    China sells low-end trash to people who buy such things. They sell high-end goods to people with money.

  • Emily

    China wants our coal and iron? What era do you think this is?

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    Excellent analysis.

  • TimesArrow

    'But I do remember that the public just was not particularly engaged in Afghanistan detainee…'

    Sorry i'm not big on polls, but i can remember polls that indicated the public were paying attentio to this issue.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    No Bob Rae made a public statement to the effect the Government would be punished. The loss of control of the chair in every committee did not sit well with the Liberals and their willingness to hold the bills hostage is the price the public has paid for the dysfunctional opposition.

    Don't forget less than twenty sitting days during the Olympics that were affected were added back as a result from all the whining. No March break for you was classic PM reaction. Liberal MP Simson complained she had to stay in Ottawa during para-Olympics.

    I remember the photo ops, press conference in front of the "locked doors" by Layton, Ignatieff. Funny thing doors were opened for cleaning during Liberals photo op and he took off for "listening tours" as soon as parliament re-opened.

    Which MP has the most skipped or missed votes in 2010. Hint he demanded parliament be open.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    History is a problem for you.

    Japan had an oil embargo and was not able to feed their empire with supply lines too long. China is repeating the same mistake?

    Classic mistake made by many leaders. Ask historians how Napoleon lost his army in Russia.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    So the "energy super power" is a ponzi scheme like Global warming?

    Adding pipelines to feed India-China growing demand is equivalent to installing Giant bird choppers to cool the earth by two degrees than?

    All that fake hydro exports from QC and NFLD to the US is just a ploy to help organized crime rackets with FIT and carbon offsets, gotcha.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    You are correct those roofs, houses can be built by those IT graduates and analysts. Repairing our watermains and roads will be no problem we can import the labour as we do now to pick our crops.

  • Blacktop

    You can't eat knowledge. Even your reading is ten years out of date.

  • TimesArrow

    ' …and their willingness to hold the bills hostage is the price the public has paid for the dysfunctional opposition.'

    I know the libs gave Harper absolutely no option at all but to prorogue.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    For me it was about taking over the Senate chairs. (That's it)

    I don't believe the CPC could have anticipated how NUTS the media went in covering the NDP-Liberals as non-partisans over a reduction of 17 sitting days of parliament.

    Liberals were lucky the NDP had their rent a mob available on short notice. The usual experts decrying this as a threat to democracy was SWEET.

    The media lost removed any doubt after that campaign regarding their credibility.

    Haiti earthquake and Olympics broke their back. The media could not sustain the fake crisis any longer.

  • LindaL

    Well, I found this: http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2009…
    And that's what I remember.

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits' Guide

    Maybe you should speak with him yourself, Scott, and learn a bit about him. That's what I did.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    Based on the coup by the three stooges ROC was not. Take a look at the political map next time your party of Toronto claims to be a national party.

  • Blacktop

    Mine does too, but unfortunately theirs doesn't always include ROC.

  • Blacktop

    Why are they buying it up like mad then? As well as making deals all over Africa for rare minerals?

    Your 'our peaceful business like friends' spiel doesn't impress me. The era we are in is" when the chips are down China will be dealing, virtually playing into the Western world's weak hand. How long can America act as it does when China is buying up US treasuries. The US owe the Chines in the trillions, not a place a leading power wants to be. How long can the US be a real power when the landlord is the Chinese? My view is not retrospect but further ahead than you can see.

  • Blacktop

    Actually, I tremble every time I read some of these "vacuous" comments and wonder why the great censor in Toronto doesn't excise more than he/she does.

  • Be_rad

    I'm sorry if it seemed I was implying you were on one side or the other. I was attempting to imply a broader range of commentary.

    To your point, the 2nd prorogation was not routine. Routine – from what I see online, is to prorogue jsut before a new session, usually after a break. To prorogue before a break leaves Parliament unable to work in an emergency until they go through the formalities of a new speech from the throne and re creating committees. So to do it another way, before a break, would imply other motives.

  • LindaL

    Perhaps — but the salient point here is not the actual guidelines around proroguing, but the perceptions of all those protesters. Most would not be that familiar with protocols around proroguing. My question is why were people so mad? My argument is that their anger was out of proportion to what the nature of this prorogue (essentially a three-week delay in dealing with things). I think the protests were most likely a gut-level anti-Harper, anti-Conservative reaction, with a lot of emotional momentum built up from the previous prorogue — which everyone knew was unusual and many felt was undemocratic. Until the second prorogue, the anger around that was still simmering.

  • delford t louis

    hey author of this dribble! what mountain range are you from? now go back to your cave….

  • wilson

    With the alternative being a Liberal led coalition,
    PMSH will be in power for as long as he wants.

    That wont change until
    - the LibDips merge, or,
    - the LPC has a reasonalbe chance at government without a coalition.

    What LibDips failed to accept is that the 2008 election gave the CPC 57% of the seats in English Canada, (with 76% in Western Canada, 60% in NB and 48% in Ontario)….
    and that was before we all knew the Liberals were willing to
    - put 6 NDPers in cabinet and
    - only pass legislation that was 'good for Quebec'.

    There is nothing that can be said that will convince Canadians that Liberals won't form a coalition of losers again, next election.
    In fact, the media is encouraging them to do so.
    Legal or otherwise, that is NOT the government Canadians want.

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